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post May 10 2008, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 10 2008, 12:29 PM)
You have a point though the Chinese might lay claim to having inventing those sports.
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Out of the sports you've mentioned I think it's safe to assume that only football has generated a large following. I don't know that many people who play or watch either badminton or hockey. Football as a sport may have been introduced by the English and given the league an advantage but one could still like the game and follow another league, much like yourself.
Football has the largest following. That can't be disputed. But to say that not many play badminton is perplexing to me. I'm sure most of us (if not all) here have at least played a game of badminton. How many can say the same for American football or baseball? And I'm very much in the minority when I chose to support a Spanish team. So are the corporates willing to invest in us? That is the question.

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Handball is another sport that is popular at school level, at least when I was still a student, but how many watch the handball leagues on TV? Participation is one thing but generating a spectator following is quite another. Futsal is an example of a sport that many people play, but seldom watch. I've been to the KL World 5's and you'd expect the stadium to be full given the number of people that I've seen at any one tournament.
To be fair handball's popularity can't be compared to football all around the world. We aren't the exception. Futsal is a modern sport spawned from football. It's hard to compare. Our forefathers would not have even heard of the word back in the day.

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I for one hardly played football, wasn't really good at it but I love watching the game. Measures have been taken to enhance the experience for the viewer by incorporating elements like having more camera's to give viewers multiple angles, mic's by the sidelines so we can hear what is happening on the pitch, etc. The Premiership has taken it a step further by not only promoting the game but also the clubs and the players which helped. How do I know? Well it may be a guess at this point and I'll leave you to make your own mind up but how many people do you know wear football jerseys but don't watch games?
The EPL has gone to great lengths to promote its league here. But then you can ask why don't they do the same in South America? As I mentioned before it's easy to only look from our side. But the world is a big place so I'm not complaining when the Spanish league prefers to focus in other markets.

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America's influence transcends just music if you ask me. Look at our current political scene. Why are people now increasingly vocal? Why are we now taking to the streets and protesting for an open democracy, transparency and such? I seriously doubt we were brought up to challenge or oppose but rather to conform.
Again I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that if you are talking about music then our influence is from the Americans. If it's sports it's the British. If you're going to start bringing up other aspects of our lives that have been influenced by other countries/cultures we could go on all day here laugh.gif

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From an English perspective, I'd say Chris Waddle had the most success abroad. He was adored at Marseille. From a British perspective, I'd say it was Tony Cascarino. He scored an amazing 61 goals in 84 games for Marseille though they were in the 2nd Division at some point.
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Steve McMamanaman didn't do too bad either.
He is the most successful Englishman who played abroad after all. wink.gif

PS Duke don't u think we have gone wildly off topic here tongue.gif But great to talk to u. Cheers.

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post May 10 2008, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 10 2008, 12:29 PM)
You have a point though the Chinese might lay claim to having inventing those sports. Out of the sports you've mentioned I think it's safe to assume that only football has generated a large following. I don't know that many people who play or watch either badminton or hockey. Football as a sport may have been introduced by the English and given the league an advantage but one could still like the game and follow another league, much like yourself. Handball is another sport that is popular at school level, at least when I was still a student, but how many watch the handball leagues on TV? Participation is one thing but generating a spectator following is quite another. Futsal is an example of a sport that many people play, but seldom watch. I've been to the KL World 5's and you'd expect the stadium to be full given the number of people that I've seen at any one tournament. I for one hardly played football, wasn't really good at it but I love watching the game. Measures have been taken to enhance the experience for the viewer by incorporating elements like having more camera's to give viewers multiple angles, mic's by the sidelines so we can hear what is happening on the pitch, etc. The Premiership has taken it a step further by not only promoting the game but also the clubs and the players which helped. How do I know? Well it may be a guess at this point and I'll leave you to make your own mind up but how many people do you know wear football jerseys but don't watch games?

America's influence transcends just music if you ask me. Look at our current political scene. Why are people now increasingly vocal? Why are we now taking to the streets and protesting for an open democracy, transparency and such? I seriously doubt we were brought up to challenge or oppose but rather to conform.


Added on May 10, 2008, 12:32 pm

From an English perspective, I'd say Chris Waddle had the most success abroad. He was adored at Marseille. From a British perspective, I'd say it was Tony Cascarino. He scored an amazing 61 goals in 84 games for Marseille though they were in the 2nd Division at some point.
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Next progression of promoting a brand is promoting the people behind the brand i.e. the players, managers, etc. Human element sells... A lot of fans nowadays follow a football club but don't play the game, which is becoming the norm... but in the older days, we used to pretend we are our heroes while we play our football, trying to recreate a particular move or goal and all those, all fun of course... even to this day, we still do some nonsense like that... The capitalistic nature of the game would not give a rat ass if anyone plays, as long as people keep buying and watching... not very good for the game in the long run...

On the political take by Duke, I guess it's also a natural progression of society... as society matures i.e. being better educated, more sources of info, being financially better etc. naturally people will want more representation and voice... I guess old heads will stick to old ways, and a very good chance they'll be left behind... so much can be discussed on this, off topic anyway, so...

Yes, on Waddle, I guess he had success even for a lad coming from Newcastle. Hoddle did too, while others had relative success... but the sheer minuscule number of British players who have been deemed a success says a lot about the British mindset... not that I care anyway, I am only interested in one city in England...
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post May 10 2008, 09:24 PM

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I think Blatter worry English Club football become too dominant as show in the Champ league...
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post May 10 2008, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(BeckhamSoccerTips @ May 10 2008, 10:24 PM)
I think Blatter worry English Club football become too dominant as show in the Champ league...
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i do think he`s worry bout team like Arsenal which dun have any English player in their starting line up...
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post May 12 2008, 06:15 PM

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i think blatter is jus jealous tat the EPL is doing so gud.......but i think the quota thing makes sense....like u said money isnt everything ...........but.......if u haf money and bought all the good players in the world w/o having players of ur own nationality....i dun think tats fair play.........so tats y i think he is doing tis now.....to me, MU shudn have any problem if tis quota is implemented....the clubs tat will be having problems ( top four) will be arsenal , liverpool and mayb chelsea la....i dun remember arsenal having any other English players other then their own young star theo walcott......and liverpool are starting to buy english players now like gareth barry? ...hehe

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