this is 2nd time I heard about 3 phase save money (in term of electric bill)? how it's possible? anyone care to explain?
Renovations 3-phase wiring
Renovations 3-phase wiring
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Mar 20 2012, 02:49 AM
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this is 2nd time I heard about 3 phase save money (in term of electric bill)? how it's possible? anyone care to explain?
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Mar 20 2012, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(ttleng @ Mar 20 2012, 11:26 AM) Theorytical your calculation may seem support single phase. so you got 20% after changing to 3P..In practical, do all your electric use and on at same time to cause power overload ? If you has heavy power usage but not all use at same time, then single phase is enough for it. My house got 3 fridges, 4 unit 1hp air cond and 1 unit 2.5hp air cond. On daylight we just on the fridge and at night only 2~3 air cond will use. Sometime will cause electric trip. For average monthly bill is RM300+ Almost every 1 years+ need ask technician to come my house to check on compressor of air cond and fridge because it not function. After that change into 3 phase, the electric bill gone down about 20%. My fridge and air cond now no need always call technician to check within 2 years. it's still confusing.. Can't see any connection of lower bill when you appliances operate with enough amp. QUOTE If your house power usage is more then single phase supply then it will drain more power Any electrical background can explain about this. Let's said my house use 60A (limit for 1P right?), for 10 hour. How this translate into lower bill under 3P than 1P.. Does operating near phase limit is more consuming than operate half the limit? Anyway, to measure the total amp I can just use DIGITAL AC CLAMP outside the house right? |
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Mar 20 2012, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 20 2012, 12:06 PM) It is cause by the wiring that you overload it. You still can achieve lower bill by rewiring your house with a single phase. And limit your appliccance to 1 power point. Does 3P make a different? Let's said I use 60A, then change to 3P still use 60A. Same wire, same load = same heat? Something still missing I believe. Just wanna make sure, I understand correctly what 3P can do and cannot do.. My facebook Taman full will this discussion so wanna give feedback to them also..When your appliccance draw high watt, wire will heat up and give resistance to the voltage (voltage drop). That draw higher amp to run your applicance. And longer the distance wire, resistance is higher. Another is wire material. Use this fomula -> V / R =I To counter this, Use bigger dia wire and plan your house wiring system properly. Some forunner here have some good wiring plan you might search back. |
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Mar 20 2012, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(ttleng @ Mar 20 2012, 01:33 PM) Let me give u illustration on that, This is what 1P vs 3P about.. 3P can support 3 time power load.. Imagine a train A pulling 1 passenger box which can carry 30 ppls. While another train B pulling 3 passenger box which can carry 90 ppls with 30 passenger each box. Now, if there is 60 ppls wanted to enter train A, then the box maybe fit for all 60 ppls but the situation will be crowded and will hot. If that 60 ppls split and move to train B with 20 ppls each passenger box. Then it still normal situation . If you load still below the limit of train A, then you can choose to enter train A. Else it will be train B. Suppose the power is over 1P can handle.. The fused will be burned. If your house never experience power overload.. as I said let's said below 60A around 50A. Does changing 1P to 3P will affect electric bill? |
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