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weikee
post Dec 20 2016, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(cyberkoh88 @ Dec 20 2016, 10:47 AM)
thanks bro for your update. anyway yesterday night do testing, open 3 heater and open 3 aircon (total 3.5HP)  on the same time. after 10-15 minutes, cutout fuse (next to Tenage Meter) blow. my whole house no electricity. no choice, ask that electrician to come to do troubleshooting. just found out that my cutout fuse only 30A, no wonder blow. So ask him to change the cutout fuse to 100A. On the same time, requested him to change the 40A RCD (maxguard) to 100A and the 60A DP Isolator (maxguard) to 100A as well. And also ask him to change one of the MCB (20A) to 40A (because one of my room aircon power use water heater point to do looping, worry if open aircon/water heater on the same time, will overload, so as precaution ask him to change to 40A). All together quote me RM400, no choice, need to take it coz already ask him to settle my cutout fuse blow.
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I think you looking into burning your house.

Like i comment before, changing fuse is simple, can even put in 200Amp if there is one available, but can your wire handle the load?

One heater Max load is 15Amps, you switch on 15amps x 3 = 45amps,

1HP ~ 4Amps, 3.5hp = 14 Amps

You do the math

This post has been edited by weikee: Dec 20 2016, 03:19 PM
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post Dec 22 2016, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(cyberkoh88 @ Dec 22 2016, 12:09 PM)
so bro, what's your recommendation for my house situation?
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Option 1:
Ask wireman check the thickness of wires used, and use the correct recommended fused for the thickness wires you have.

Option 2:
Change the the wires that support 100Amps as you use 100Amps fuse.

What you earlier did was having a car that can run 100MPH, but the road was earlier tested on 40MPH. You either change the car to suite the road, or change the road to suite the car. Is your option.


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post Dec 22 2016, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Dec 22 2016, 02:14 PM)
Thickness of the wire does not mean much. But thickness and the cores inside the wire are more important.
The incoming TNB wire can only support 60A and for single phase, TNB will only provide 60A fuse.
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Kawan, when mention "wireman to check the wires thickness", the qualified wireman will know what to do lah. Not checking the wire insulator thickness.
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post Dec 23 2016, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(cyberkoh88 @ Dec 22 2016, 07:05 PM)
actually not an expert in electrical, so correct me if i am wrong...actually if i change the cutoff fuse to 100A, RSD to 100A and DP Insulator to 100A, isit it means that i change this for the purpose if on the same times if i use  my electrical appliance, total combines can tahan until 100A. why actually still need to check the wire. each individual wire already protected by MCB (20A) where each individual wire cannot exceed 20A, if exceed will cause trip in MCB. actually i did plan upgrade for 1 MCB to maybe 40A (coz my water heater and aircon sharing wire by looling). only need to check this wire whether can tahan 40A or not rite?
or actually  bro here mean need to check cable from tnb box to DB box only bcoz maybe the wire from tnb meter to DB box last time not support for 100A electricity? not the whole house wiring rite?

and one more things, i check thru internet, actually single phase max can support until 100A based on internatioanl standard. isit because of TNB we only can be max 63A?
sorry if my question look dumb coz i am not expert in electical, so hope all sifu here can enlighten me.

actually already pay deposit to that electrician (told me need it to buy electical part) and he will come to install it on saturday, if really got problem, i think i need to consult another electrician. actually i already call them to issue my worry, he just say no problem one and my wiring can support blah blah....not an expert in electical, so not argue with him a lot coz that electrician a little cocky one.....
thanks....
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Any qualified wireman will always check the correct wires to the fused, it can have thick wires (thick cores for the nit picking) lower rated fused, but not vice-versa.

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In any house, there are basic 3 protection, TNB Wires to Meter will have the incoming fuse, from Meter to DB box to distribution will have Main fuse and ELCB/RCD, than MCBs for individual circuit. All combined current will sum into ELCB and Main fused, than flow to the incoming fuse.

So few things to check
- Is the wires to the meter able handle 100Amps?
- Is the meter able to handle 100Amps?
- Is the Live and Neutral wires from Meter to DB Box able to handle 100Amps?
- Is the DB Box busbar able to handle 100Amps?

So if all the 4 able not able to handle 100Amps, there is 4 possibility of location to start a BBQ.
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post Dec 24 2016, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(cyberkoh88 @ Dec 24 2016, 09:43 AM)
After consult with all sifu here,decided to change cutout fuse to 63A, RCD change to 63A to match My current DP insulator 63A, MCB decided not to upgrade to bigger amp,decided to rewiring my aircon point to nearest power socket (looping) instead of sharing with current water heater point. Thanks for all the sifu advise here,appreciated.
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Cannot just upgrade MCB to bigger amp, that also looking for worse trouble. Normal house wiring is 2.5mm2 for a/c or water heater, and usually it will use MCB 20amps as cut off, if you increase to anything larger the wire will burned before even the fuse blow.

Have you confirm the nearest socket are not use for other things? It could be shared by another room. Best is trip the MCB for the socket and test what else are affected.
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post Dec 24 2016, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 24 2016, 10:46 AM)
If rewiring, put a 4mm wire. Anything you want to rewiring.

It is for your future expansion and saving.
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Hehe, like my house after renovating, the most things I have is independent socket. All with individual mcb, and independent db box breaker for ground and first floor.
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post Feb 22 2017, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(silverong @ Feb 22 2017, 04:14 PM)
Hello, my house have 6 AC (1 x 1.5hp, 3 x 1hp, 2 x 2hp) and 4 water heater with pump. Normally it is max to 4 AC open in sleep time. Am I need to change from single phase to 3 phases?
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If instant water heater, 4 of it at max already 60 amps. If ac switch on all also 30 amps.

What is your usage pattern? And how can you make sure not all device switch on all the same time?
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post Mar 21 2017, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(conan86 @ Mar 21 2017, 04:25 PM)
yup whole stretch n also behind the banks .. all telling me dont have or other excuses
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If you have volume they will order for you, if loose measurement may not have. Try Ace per ozak suggest. Seapark also have many electric shop.

Quality depending what you want to use for, and the amperage you want to use. Thicker for larger amps.


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post Jul 28 2017, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Jul 28 2017, 10:28 AM)
even if you swith on all those 6 ACs and all 4 water heater at the same time, total amp still below 70 Amp. single phase can carry up to max 100A.
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Max is 60Amps, Anything higher, your main fused will blow, worse melt/burned the meter.


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post Sep 27 2017, 05:28 PM

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3 Phases is not just change DB Box, and Meter.

Need to readjust the power distribution, and correctly distribute each phase.
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post Sep 27 2017, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 27 2017, 05:46 PM)
Depend on what you want to do. For me I use 2 phase for the house and 1 phase dedicated to my entertainment room
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If the usage are very imbalance, TNB will come knocking your door.
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post Sep 27 2017, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 27 2017, 06:14 PM)
I pay what I use. If they come, I am happy for them to check
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Too much in-balance will cause voltage and phase issues. is not about pay or not.
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post Sep 27 2017, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 27 2017, 06:23 PM)
Please share some knowledge
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Someone explain it good enough at the last post

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4410943


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post Sep 27 2017, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 27 2017, 07:53 PM)
For that thread is talking about missing neutral from TNB sub station. Having balance spread for 3 phase within 1 house is a totally different thing.
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I dont dealt much with 3 phases imbalance so my knowledge are limited on this issue. What i know is when there are too dramatic imbalance there will be problem with the substation (in some gen set it can burned due to imbalance), and other house appliances will behave funny. This usually happens if the load are very drastic different. Maybe it wont happened to your case.

Tnb did came to my mom house to switch house from one phase to another, when i ask the technician told me they need to balance it. That was when we just move in sometime ago.
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post Sep 27 2017, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 27 2017, 09:01 PM)
Typically of course from sub station to house is good to be balance. Within inside the house, is up to us how to use. Separate the phase also give you cleaner power
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In link house, how one distribute the 3 phases will impact the rest especially heavy users.
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post Jan 12 2018, 09:06 PM

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Loose connections mean high resistance, causing voltage drop, increase current drawn on appliance, this in turn increase heat build up on the loose connections (i²r)
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post Jan 22 2018, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(Eithanius @ Jan 22 2018, 07:15 AM)
speaking of which, does RM250+- for a single 1.5HP inverter air-cond and a 10-year old (probably non-inverter) fridge makes any sense...? sounds like leakages somewhere...
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Depending the number of hours you switch on for the a/c , if is left on 24x7, it will be more.

Your house lighting, water heater (if any), stove, fan, pc, tv, amps, cctv, alarm, water dispenser (if any).. etc
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post Feb 21 2018, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Feb 20 2018, 05:20 PM)
100 amps? may not need 3 phase wiring.

try talking to tnb for allowing changing the cut out and cut out fuse too 100amps. if they say ok then it is all good.
but make sure your rcb and mcb are rated properly.
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I don't remember seeing single phase meter can handle 100amps.
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post Feb 21 2018, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 21 2018, 09:31 AM)
The normal current rating for electronic meter is 10~100A.
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Later, let me check my mom house meter since her's is easy accessible. I recall mine not rated 100amps.
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post Feb 21 2018, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 21 2018, 10:30 AM)
That rating was stated in TNB guidelines as I remember
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Yes, and the meter it self have max support current too.

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