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ngaisteve1
post Jan 26 2012, 05:22 PM

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Hi, i just came accross this site, fundsupermart.com. looks not bad as the sales charge looks cheap. i just register online but not yet submit the documents for approval. anyone buy unit trust fund from this site before?
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post Jan 26 2012, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(transit @ Jan 26 2012, 07:24 PM)
Yes. I did.
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how's the sales charge and the website service? okay so far?
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post Jan 27 2012, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(transit @ Jan 26 2012, 11:40 PM)
Through I am agent for PMB, I still invest in FSM without any issue. No issue on Service Charge at all in FSM. icon_rolleyes.gif  laugh.gif
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that's great because pbmutual sales charge is 5.5% but this FSM only 1%. rclxms.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 27 2012, 10:47 AM)
It depends...
IMHO:
IF you're looking at holistic and total costs for the long term (10 yrs and more), say EPF a/c1 funded investments, there is no 1 fund house in FSM that has both "slightly above average" equity funds AND bond funds. FSM has good equity funds & bond funds but IMHO, not within 1 fund house, thus cant do INTRA switching.
Thus, SWITCHING between INTER fund houses in FSM costs about 1% to 2%? Please correct me if i'm mistaken  notworthy.gif (i actually hope i am, thus i've got another avenue for investments)

VS

Public Mutual's funds which have  "slightly above average" equity funds AND bond funds, which one can switch to/fro for Asset Re-allocation (Tactical or Strategical) / Profit taking / etc.
Mind U, moving $50K, $100K, $200K, etc. several times within 10+ to 20+ years at $0 VS 1% to 2% makes a difference.

Thus, FSM just MAY not be "cheapest" in the long run in this perspective.

BTW, i'm assUme-ing investments via EPF lar, where most working stiff has the $ and doesnt affect "real" cash flow until retirement.
Thus, PM's cost is 3% (if one's one best customer-agent, cost is approximately 1.7%) for equity funds, not 5.5%

Just a thought and hope to be corrected, especially the cost of INTER switching costs for FSM  notworthy.gif
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myself all my unit trust is from epf at the moment. but got some cash now. i think if the performance for FSM is about the same the pbmutual, then i can consider FSM because of lower sales charge. else, i think i might put into saving plan or FD.

what do you mean by "if one's one best customer-agent, cost is approximately 1.7%"? it is he is a pbmutual agent and if he buy unit trust, he only need to pay 1.7% sales charge?
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post Jan 27 2012, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 27 2012, 07:00 PM)
Effectively and approximately, yes.

Technically, for EPF investments, still paying 3%.
Out of that 3%, 1.75% (or was it 1.7%, i forget the small numbers) goes to Agent.
Thus: 3% -1.75% +income tax(commission 1.75% *26% my personal tax rate)

For agents' cash investments there are 2 options:
via cold hard Cash: 5.5% - 2.75% +(2.75% *26%)
via Commissions Direct Debit Instruction: at NAV cost! but commissions MUST be able to fund those DDIs
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i see. aiya, i am not any unit trust agent le. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 27 2012, 07:06 PM)
IF U are personally investing RM10K of yr EPF per annum or MORE
+ U can get another $20K+ of "sales" from your family members' EPF/cash
THEN it makes sense to be your own agent + sustainable in meeting PM's quota per annum

I've done the calc (havent U noticed i'm nuts with calculations? tongue.gif literally cost/benefit analysis + calculated risks) and it makes sense, ESPECIALLY when one gets detailed data for further analysis to enhance one's + family's investments.

Er.. your mileage may vary greatly - especially if you're not the active/hungry investor/knowledge type yar  notworthy.gif
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now, u make want to become a unit trust agent already. i will talk to my agent, see how to study and pass the exam biggrin.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 27 2012, 07:36 PM)
If yr agent dont want to share share calculations, ideas, etc., U can always pm me tongue.gif

BTW, dont get me wrong yar - i'm not into recruiting or sales, i'm saying if your agent isnt an investor at heart (risk mgt + stats & probabilities), we can still bounce ideas off each other here or teh tarik sessions.
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okay, i will look for him first because he is one my church friend. but if he cannot help me, i will sure look for you! smile.gif
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post Apr 27 2012, 08:06 PM

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Market seems like going down now. Can get ready to load more unit already? Plan to add more units on my pb regular saving via EPF.
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post Apr 30 2012, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 28 2012, 12:42 PM)
I think not low enough yet... But if you do it regularly and looking longer term for this fund, then timing is not so important..
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Okay, thanks for the feedback.
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post Jul 13 2012, 07:11 PM

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After doing some quick research, these are the EPF funds which I think doing good: Public Dividend Select Fund, Public Focus Select Fund, Public Growth Fund, Public Islamic Dividend Fund, Public Islamic Equity Fund, Public Islamic Optimal Growth Fund, Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund, Public Regular Savings Fund

My friend want to get start to invest public mutual for the first time. Trying to recommend her a good fund. Any opinion? She is medium risk taker type
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post Jul 16 2012, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jul 13 2012, 08:29 PM)
no recommend...but.. suggestion only....
Public Dividend Select Fund,
Public Growth Fund,
Public Islamic Dividend Fund,
Public Regular Savings Fund,
public saving fund,
p ittikal fund,
p index fund,

ask her to read the prospectus first for the involved risk.
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Thanks kparam, okay these 4 matches mine. biggrin.gif

Public Dividend Select Fund,
Public Growth Fund,
Public Islamic Dividend Fund,
Public Regular Savings Fund,

Narrow to 4 now. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 16 2012, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jul 16 2012, 02:52 PM)
PISEF is aggressif.. our freand asking for medium/moderate funds.
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Ya, my friend want a medium risk fund type.

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