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cstkl1
post Jul 29 2008, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 28 2008, 11:17 AM)

I am a representative from Public Mutual, and would like to say a few words. Well as mentioned by David, no doubt unit trust is for the long term.
But I do not foresee our local market to fare very well in the coming few years. It is better advised that you invest in funds that have very little exposure in Malaysia. Look for funds with high exposure in developing countries. The Asian market as a whole has many untapped developments, but you need time to realise your gain from these countries' developments. As to your question, you might not profit in the current situation, but if you start investing early and regularly, you could hope to see the bottom and gain from the possible rebound. It is impossible to time the market because of the ever-changing political and economical scenes. We have yet to see the worst.
Islamic (Syariah) funds do not necessarily have to be a local fund. The term simply means that the funds are only invested in "halal" securities.
The underlying investments of the Islamic funds must not be involved in gambling, alcohol, tobacco and conventional finance. They must adhere to the Islamic principles. So, there are many other countries with securities in this category, even in Western countries. You have to see the breakdown of the funds to find out which countries they are exposed to.
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good sales pitch

unit trust investment pros and cons for the next quater

1. pros
by end of the year all fund managers will rally the martket for the pay... ( profit sharing )
.. somebody has to pay for their yacht etc

2. cons..
for every 1 percent u lose now on a downtrend market.. u need 2 percent to break even... and this is not even including the service charge

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post Aug 13 2008, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 11 2008, 01:43 PM)
There are some restricition if one works as fund manager or this particular field, if not mistaken, just like remisers can't open own or his spouse account with the investment bank they are working with etc.
Husband and wife is treated same entity most of the time, depended on the rules and regulation set respectively.

Relevant authority is not stupid either, they will investigate the timing of it. Even if one escape with the breach of the law with black and white (just like you mentioned, use relatives account to trade) but the company surely raise the suspectibilty on it which won't be good for your career. Fund managers already can gain extra from the profit (in term of performance bonuses) they made in the stock market through fund investment, then still greedy want to make more personally?

Again, just like said before, you don't risk your whole career just to gain some out of it (which also no guarantee as explained as below). Trust is important is this aspect, same with doing business, once one loses the creditability of the trust, then your whole career in this field (even in businesses) basically spoilt. No matter how good you are, nobody will dare to hire you nor doing business with you (in term of businesses).

Creditability of trust built over time, but can be spoilt overnight.

Also, just to point out, even if you are the fund manager and your fund has decided to buy a particular stock, there is no guarantee the stock will go up either. A single fund manager can't push up the stock alone even for like of EPF, even they buy aggressive in the market, but if market sentiment and market force is against it, they are powerless to drive up the stock price alone. A few tick may be, but sustainability of the share price depends on general market force, not a single or 2 investors (even though they are huge).
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for market .. regardless on the instrument...
theres 3 factors in movement.

1.Market Volume..
2.Economic Sentiment ( news ) ( only stupid ppl trade on these.. cause its inconsistent and u have to be a god...hint hint.. unit trust investors)
3.Market Dynamics.. ( This is where u should set ure trading in shares for stock/fund/financial instrument selections base on market volume also)
( aka price action)

Fund managers can manipulate market dynamics
Just watch the end of the year.. again somebody has to pay for their cars/house/yacht... kekeke..

But they cant manipulate Volume.. as Volume is against them.. especially those with large cash injection.. cause u set a resistance/support level.

And personally i'd trust a fund manager that has his own cash in the investment like hedge funds in the US. Almost all the private equity fund managers have their own cash invested in the funds they manage. Reason is below

remisers and brokers are not allowed to because they will hunt their clients stop losses etc...so its like cheating the clients money..

ah so this is the basics..
but wait

collective fund managers.. ah thats a different story.. base on investment timing + manipulation of market dynamics + economic news ( PLC's quarterly report).. they can set the trend and manipulate volume.

This is where FA investors will start hunting all the TA investors. Ppl forget for its a buying selling thing.. to gain.. somebody has to lose.

Lets not even start on brokerage fees manipulation by fund managers...

Conclusion
Unit Trust.. no no... especially when its guaranteed.. ( wondering where all that profit went .. hint hint the line above)

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 13 2008, 09:07 AM)
For equities or stock market, it is not a zero sum game, when stock rise, everyone is a winner/gainer, there is no losser, but when stock drop, everyone is a loser except those short-sell one.

For futures market, like index futures, oil futures, yes, it is a zero sum game. A gain come from other people loss.
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oops sorry forgot about that.. was trying to explain equity but somehow went into forex/futures trading...

but to explain this also...

what cherroy meant is this...

in equities and stocks.. its about creating wealth.
investors are trying to analyze and position the profits that will be left over to shareholders. This causes fluctuation in price. So business conditions will affect companies P&L. Basically its a Present Value Game..

but the fund management strategy still remain true and investors should be weary of guaranteed funds especially structured funds.

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QUOTE(ricky_wl @ Aug 19 2008, 05:53 PM)
haha i agree on u jordy

btw .. how can i sharpen my knowledge in investing? eg. what megazines should i read into .. personal money?
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hmm i dont advice anybody with no financial knowledge to read financial books..

reason is this

its like giving a bible to somebody and asking him to believe in christ...
for all we know he can become the next terrorist/anti-christ to a tree hugger...

u needed guidance..especially on theological parts..
once u accept an idea.. its difficult to unteach you.



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