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post May 8 2008, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(amerz @ May 8 2008, 02:23 AM)
Where u got the info? 
care to share notworthy.gif

I'm still in learning phase of unit trust investment
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You can get the information for rankings in The Edge or Personal Money.
BizWeek has it too, but the table they're using is different.
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post May 29 2008, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ May 29 2008, 07:14 AM)
DO post more on these...
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I believe there is nothing much to post about. He is just stating the funds that could be paying distributions on 31st May smile.gif
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post Jun 14 2008, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jun 14 2008, 08:58 PM)
Hi all, want to ask how many types of investment schemes out there that allows top up of any amount we want on monthly basis? So far I only know we able to do this with UT. But would like to know more on other choices.

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I think some investment-linked products allow you to do that, but I am not sure though.
Even in stock market, you can do that, but will have to be by the lot.
Gold accounts, I believe you can go by the grams.
Other than that, I don't think there are others that allow you to do that.
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post Jun 14 2008, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 14 2008, 10:37 PM)
Usually investment-linked products require you to fork out a fixed amount of cash montly; i.e. investment-linked insurance policy.
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Usually they are like that, but I think I heard before my family insurance agent told me before that there's a scheme that allows you to pay whatever amount you want monthly. I am not sure though, because that scheme was a few years ago tongue.gif
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post Jun 14 2008, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 14 2008, 10:44 PM)
But do you need to pay for an amount? How about it don't want to pay for one particular month?

I believe it won't be the case. For insurance, you have the flexibility to pay in monthly or annually basis.
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It allows you to pay any amount you want (more than the minimum), but you have to pay every month.
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post Jun 15 2008, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jun 14 2008, 11:47 PM)
Hi David/Jordy,

If we skip investment linked insurance, seems like the choice only left Gold Account, Unit Trust and stocks right? And among these 3, UT belongs so lowest risk while stocks belongs to high risk investment, am I correct?

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Added on June 14, 2008, 11:49 pmAdd on, what I mean above are those investment that do not require monthly commitment and can we pay any amount we want anytime?
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You are partly correct, but even with stocks, you can actually reduce the risk if you hold fundamentally strong stocks for longer periods.
Stocks with great business growth will ride through in times of volatility.
Commodities, such as gold, used to be safe haven, but now with hedge funds speculating on commodities index, we can hardly say that gold is safer as compared to stocks. Unit trust is considered safe because of the portfolio diversification, which reduces the risk, and you have experienced managers behind each of the funds.

If you want to look for investments that you can top up without commitment, then I'd say unit trust is the best choice.
Stocks comes second, but the time required for monitoring is tremendously long.
So, all in all, we want something that will compound our savings while we just leave it there without worry.
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QUOTE(lwb @ Jun 15 2008, 02:13 PM)
hi,

have you been in the retail managed fund industry before? do you know who exactly is your fund manager? do you know of their credentials?
do you know how they're being hired into the company?

find the answers and you'd only know what your own assumption about being "safe" is properly aligned to reality... or not.
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Are you implying that you are more experienced than the managers, who have been with the company for years?
If not, it is time you trust someone who is BETTER than you. Criticising someone's credentials is nothing more than criticising your own wits.
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post Jun 16 2008, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jun 16 2008, 05:59 PM)
can't discern the difference between questioning and criticism is it?

do you even know the names of the fund manager(s) who manages your fund? assumed you have one to boot..

i'm questioning those blind stupidity at complying at every hearsay and endorsing them without knowledge of what goes into the decision process..

in essence, are you merely a "pak turut"?
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Which fund manager's name do you need? I can name all the fund managers in Public Mutual if you want to smile.gif
I might know the names, but I will not know what they're doing with the money.
Who cares how they manage the funds, as long as they manage it better than any layman would, right?
That is what unit trust is about, we just leave it to the fund managers, because that IS their job.
I assume you have invested in unit trust too, correct me if I am wrong. If I am right, so why DID you invest, when you do not know what the fund managers are doing? First of all, what QUALIFICATIONS that you have to even questioning the decisions of fund managers?
I hope I do not have to take this further, because I feel it is plain useless to even continue this "conversation" smile.gif
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post Jun 17 2008, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jun 16 2008, 09:09 PM)
i advocate "caveat emptor" but you still got it out of context again..
do you seriously have comprehension issue here ah?

becareful.. don't trust blindly.. get it?!?
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lwb, thank you for your kind sharing with us. I really appreciate what you are trying to do smile.gif
So, since you said that, we all SHOULD interview each and every fund managers that we come across to assess their credibility.
To all investors and prospective investors, heed lwb's advice and get to know your fund managers.
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post Jun 17 2008, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 17 2008, 08:20 AM)
A very good suggestion indeed.

Shall we start to interview those ( fund managers  and ex fund managers ) who are actively in the forums ?
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I believe we should, and not many can be found in this forum smile.gif
Who should we start with then?
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post Jun 17 2008, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 17 2008, 01:24 PM)
I apologise for using the word " high " because i think  there were many investors who were pensioners or retirees ( zero tax group ).

I also want to clarify that  I am a  just salesperson not qualified at all to share  the knowledge of Capital Guarantee ( the details of it ). And if you have doubt whether the product is indeed guaranteed , please approach Maybank. It is your money counts.

I saw many people asking about this product again and again, but only 1 person ( the moderator ) shared something on it. I talk in term of A to Z as this forum suggested and debatable. I have no idea who is fund manger in charge ( deemed to be important by others ).  Fund management is totally out of my scope.

I just think this could be an alternate product to FD, since any FD amount exceeding 65K is not guaranteed by bank. Correct me if I am wrong.

There are some qualified fund managers in our forum, but mainly keeping sllence.

And sometimes, they prefer to act like  the policemen than to share.
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Well, do not get disappointed. As long as you were willing to share, you will learn in the process as well.
Life is all about sharing, and if you keep it all, you are NOTHING more than selfish.
So, keep on sharing and do not stop even if people are against your opinion.
Accept it and move on smile.gif

By the way, banks only insure up to RM60k if I remember correctly.
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post Jul 12 2008, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(ganabathi @ Jul 12 2008, 12:21 AM)
plz recommend me a fund that i can star my investment.. PB now the price low...this is the best time to buy izit...
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As we mentioned several times before, there is no right or wrong time to buy a fund. Some might think it is a good time, but some might think otherwise. It all depends on how much risk you are able to take.
Say for example, if you are high risk taker (aggressive), you can start putting in half of your available cash now, and keep another half for a bit later, if market drops more.
On the other hand, if you are a low risk taker (conservative), you may start by investing the minimum amount at a time (ie RM1,000). If market drops further, you may add another RM1,000 into it. So, if you have RM4,000, you have for chances, and if you have RM5,000, you have 5 chances.
Since we won't know when the bottom is (more news are affecting the market daily), what we can do is to try picking bit by bit, and hopefully we are lucky enough to pick almost/at the bottom smile.gif
I am attached with Public Mutual, so if you need advice in real time, you could PM me your MSN contact.
This has to be done through an assessment of your financial health and your ability, so the best bet at the moment is via MSN smile.gif

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QUOTE(insaint @ Jul 12 2008, 02:54 PM)
Hi,

Recently i was approached by a Financial Planner from HLA, as he was presenting some FD+investment+Insurans plan which has at least 25% rate of return of the sum you insure...it's called HLA promise plan which offers a kinda attractive plan.

And the best thing is you can pay monthly yet taking the "at least" 25% interest and have a insurans attached like a FD growing with devidends payable when you surrender your plan or the term is over....

But before i am commited to this plan thought of asking some PROS overhere for some advice....

They also offers a rider plan which may double your interests in the event you are gone in the middle of the term.

Any advice and opinion from you guys??

thanks in advance
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Not even Warren Buffett (world's richest man from stock investment) is THAT confident to pay 25% GUARANTEED interest, and HLA is so confident that they are able to do it?? Insaint, please do your due diligence before investing in anything that "promises" you any return.
What HLA do with the money is to "feed" into other unit trust funds and invest some of it into stocks. During market downturns like this, even Warren Buffett is losing money with his investments.
Think twice when people say that to you wink.gif
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QUOTE(insaint @ Jul 13 2008, 02:19 PM)
thanks Jordy for your advice, as i called the HLA agent, he explain to me that HLA is offering something more like a Insurans + FD + investment link plan, the first in the market as it is true and HLA promise that it gonna work... as he also said that the interests you get you will be able to collect it on the 2nd year of the term and the 4th and 6th year respectively...

and to ensure your confident and believe in such a plan he also said that you can call him anytime or you may leave your number and he will call you to arrange an appointment to explain the plan to you...

anyway thanks for you advice, as i am kinda keen to buy this plan, as it's better then to put into FD, with the market like this FD rate would be revised anytime...and no harm trying this plan as every investment also got risk involved but with it's 25% interest rate and Insurans involved, it might worth a try.

Anyway, for you, no harm listening to this agent? as i might feel better that you try to call him and listen to his plan then decide on whether this work anot then maybe i really no need to worry about this anymore and let the money rolls it self, as PROS like you would identify whether this is a CON or whatsoever.

Thanks Jordy
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- I'm no PRO, but just keeping myself educated more on finance and investment.
- sorry to say that I am not interested in any promises that don't seem fit.
- FD rate is not directly affected by equity markets, but rather by interest rate.
- I cannot make any commitment at the moment because all my money has been tied up.
- I do not just TRY things because it involves MONEY.

Sorry to have to disappoint you, and good luck in your "investment" smile.gif

This post has been edited by Jordy: Jul 13 2008, 03:25 PM
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post Jul 14 2008, 06:30 PM

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thanks Jordy for your advice, as i called the HLA agent, he explain to me that HLA is offering something more like a Insurans + FD + investment link plan, the first in the market as it is true and HLA promise that it gonna work... as he also said that the interests you get you will be able to collect it on the 2nd year of the term and the 4th and 6th year respectively...

and to ensure your confident and believe in such a plan he also said that you can call him anytime or you may leave your number and he will call you to arrange an appointment to explain the plan to you...

anyway thanks for you advice, as i am kinda keen to buy this plan, as it's better then to put into FD, with the market like this FD rate would be revised anytime...and no harm trying this plan as every investment also got risk involved but with it's 25% interest rate and Insurans involved, it might worth a try.

Anyway, for you, no harm listening to this agent? as i might feel better that you try to call him and listen to his plan then decide on whether this work anot then maybe i really no need to worry about this anymore and let the money rolls it self, as PROS like you would identify whether this is a CON or whatsoever.

Thanks Jordy
QUOTE(insaint @ Jul 14 2008, 10:13 AM)
yes, i have confirm with HLA already with the quotation and a detailed report on figures that i would get, yes term is for at least a 6 years, 8 years or 10 years plan which they offer, but ofcourse you can cancel it early but with less return and the figures is not so nice, but the most interesting part is that you will get your 25% interest the second year after your first year of anually of what you have paid.

Nice plan isn't it? hopefully it works only as it serve better then FDs, somemore they also assured you a insurans plan which pays you the amount you assured if in the middle of the term you are gone dead, and best part is you will get the full amount, let's say you put in 100K which you gonna pay the 100k in ten years, but in the middle of the plan let's say 5 years, you gone dead with 50K paid, but you are half dead or dead on the 5th year, they pay you 100K plus, you still get the interests on the 6th year, 8th year and 10th year.

but the sad thing is that they will only pay you if you are half dead or dead with no other scenario, so it's kinda sad and happy on the other part. Touch Wood~!! my god, hopefully i will be able to use the money back myself...

KInda nice plan right?? it's true that it's too good to accept, but with black and white documents with HLA, i think it's more really like a starting off by HLA then a Scam, sooner or later other insurans like GE or Prudy willl also follow, just who started it first.

Anyway, every investment comes with risks, but does it worth to try? so from my opinion i guess at least i am on a safer side then other investments like shares or bond cause come to think of it, i still get an insurans on my life and i still get back the sum of money i paid when the times ripes.
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QUOTE(insaint @ Jul 14 2008, 10:49 AM)
No, you gonna get your 25% every 2 years, so 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, and 10th you gonna get 25% each and on the 10th year also which your term finish, you gonna get your total amount paid plus with devidend given every year for the 10 years which is 5% a year (lesser or higher base on the performance of HLA of that year), and you already get your return after the 2 years d, nice anot? come to think of it, it's good to buy this then to put in educational fund for those who have children.

If your child is 10years old now, later it's ready for them to use it for educational purposes with insurans for them on the same time, with returns. Nice~!.

Anyway, i gonna post my quotation later to let you all confirm, advice me whether this is a scam or what, as it's really a good investment.
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Bro, no offence seriously, but after a few days of observing, you seem more and more suspicious. I am also an investor, and as a lot of other members here, but we do not seem as excited as you are hearing what our agents promote. Your joining date is July 2008, which indicated that you just joined this forum out of nowhere. A new member coming in and expressing so much excitement is kind of funny, isn't it? wink.gif
I may be wrong though, but you seem to be more of an agent than an "investor". I think the trick is to promote the plan using an "investor" perspective. I was thought this kind of "act" when I was in MLM though, so you can't blame me when i feel something fishy is going on around here smile.gif
Anyway, I could be wrong. My intention is just to share what I know so that other members here are aware and do not fall into this kind of "trick", so please do not flame me.
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QUOTE(insaint @ Jul 15 2008, 12:16 PM)
well Jordy, it's true that i just joined this forum around this month, but as i wasn't promoting what i am investing just sharing with ppl over here to give an advice and opinion as investors like you and I, investing hard earned money into some scam or some MLM thing would be stupid as there is no return from that unless you gonna work like that by spreading the network like all MLM always do. But with black and white signed with HLA would bound them in law to do what they have promise in the agreement. As to really find out whether this is a scam or whatsoever, the best way for you guys is to call any agent from HLA to meet them and ask them to explain such a plan, as i guess any HLA agent would be more happier to entertain you. As there is no harm for investors like us, that would be unrasional to let go such a chance to invest, as like what chinese always says "good chance goes begging". Go find out yourself then only start to think whether is this a scam, investigate more, do some homework like we always do before investing agree?
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From your previous posts, you seem to be SO eager and sure about this plan, so why still need our opinion?
Since you already have the black and white from HLA, why still think this is a scam?
So now you are so excited about it, would you stop thinking about it IF we tell you it's a scam or just a marketing gimmick?
We have posted all our opinion in our previous posts, but you can't seem to accept the fact.
I am not against you, the plan or the company, but what I am saying is that you should do what your heart tells you to do.
You DO NOT have to come and look for opinion when you ALREADY are so confident with it, agree?
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QUOTE(insaint @ Jul 15 2008, 01:44 PM)
sorry if i did give you such a impression Jordy, as i sincerely apologise.

Please accept my apology.
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You have done nothing wrong. I am just saying that if you can't accept what others say, do not ask for opinion in the first place.
There is no use when people give you useful feedback, but you argued by saying "heaven and hell" about the plan.
That is why I am making it clear here that if you are SO confident already, then invest and get your "guaranteed" 25% interest.
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QUOTE(adeas @ Jul 27 2008, 10:46 AM)
is it profitable if i invest in public mutual during unstable economy pattern nowadays?
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I am a representative from Public Mutual, and would like to say a few words. Well as mentioned by David, no doubt unit trust is for the long term.
But I do not foresee our local market to fare very well in the coming few years. It is better advised that you invest in funds that have very little exposure in Malaysia. Look for funds with high exposure in developing countries. The Asian market as a whole has many untapped developments, but you need time to realise your gain from these countries' developments. As to your question, you might not profit in the current situation, but if you start investing early and regularly, you could hope to see the bottom and gain from the possible rebound. It is impossible to time the market because of the ever-changing political and economical scenes. We have yet to see the worst.

QUOTE(adeas @ Jul 27 2008, 11:05 AM)
so if i invest in islamic type of public mutual?depends on local or global situation?
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Islamic (Syariah) funds do not necessarily have to be a local fund. The term simply means that the funds are only invested in "halal" securities.
The underlying investments of the Islamic funds must not be involved in gambling, alcohol, tobacco and conventional finance. They must adhere to the Islamic principles. So, there are many other countries with securities in this category, even in Western countries. You have to see the breakdown of the funds to find out which countries they are exposed to.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 1 2008, 02:35 PM)
This is most unexpected, or at least I didn't expect it smile.gif

HLG Vietnam Fund

Start price in March: 0.5000
Today price: 0.5603
Difference: +12%

Vietnam? and considering practically every other fund is in the red? hmm.gif
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Since the government stepped up and increase the IR to its peak, the market there has been faring very well, up from a low of 3xx points to around 480 points now. Every other markets have been dropping the past few months, but Vietnam has somehow "decoupled" from the global markets and climbed its way up. Maybe it is due to the inflationary pressure has reduced there, or are expected to reduce after the steep IR hike.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Aug 8 2008, 10:14 PM)
For long term investment in unit trust i still prefer islamic fund which is able to give more constant return. The fund manager will invest on safer security. Public mutual is famous for its islamic fund. Besides, we have to see on what stock they invest into base on their quarterly report.  biggrin.gif
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This statement is very misleading. There is no guarantee that Islamic funds give constant returns. In fact, the conventional funds are able to generate more constant returns than Islamic funds through historical data. Just hope to clear the misleading fact smile.gif

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