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post Sep 25 2012, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 25 2012, 11:29 AM)
Agree! Small investor like us.. but unit trust REITs to diversify in REITs..
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Like I got a friend who opened a trading account recently, he dump all his hard-earned savings of 8K on 1 REIT sweat.gif

I'd split the 8K into 2 different counters at least sweat.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 25 2012, 11:35 AM)
But why pay the fund manager 1.5% to manage your REIT, that is like 30% of the REIT dividend already? If you can get RM3k, you can start to buy REIT directly already wor... and get higher yield than the fund.  icon_idea.gif
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My holdings in AmAsia Pac REITs is only RM1,200 doh.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 25 2012, 11:43 AM)
So look at the layer of fees... you pay 2% to buy the Reit fund (distributor untung)...then pay the manager 1.5% to manage the fund (fund manager untung), and in the REIT holdings itself, the REIT is paying the managers 1.5%-2.0% to manage property (REIT manager untung) and also pay employees managing the REIT (holding company untung).  so many fees.... rclxub.gif  brows.gif
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WHY U BREAK MY DREAM BUBBLE mad.gif vmad.gif cry.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 25 2012, 11:58 AM)
Break more bubble...  tongue.gif

iShares FTSE EPRA/NAREIT Asia Property Yield Fund (IASP)

Management Fees : 0.59%
Net yield (after fees) = 3.89%
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But AmAsia Pac REITs have outperformed its benchmark since commencement... hmm.gif

Case of REITs valuation chased up too high? hmm.gif
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 25 2012, 01:11 PM)
Don't wait too long... you never know how long you need to wait while the world passes you by... rolleyes.gif

“Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves.” - Peter Lynch
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After u break my dream bubble...now u wanna poison me to click the "Buy" button cry.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 25 2012, 01:33 PM)

Added on September 25, 2012, 1:36 pm

Just telling the reality mah.... market timers usually don't profit. Buy on valuations and fundamentals. If you invest in UT, read more on macro-economic and general valuation of the region you are buying. The managers have you covered on individual stocks, so you must see the big picture.
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Yessir! nod.gif

So, what's ur view on Asia Ex-Japan small/mid caps? blush.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 25 2012, 02:44 PM
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post Sep 26 2012, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Bedroomguitarist @ Sep 26 2012, 06:25 AM)
Yes, unit trust products are more expensive than say invest directly to the securities (in this case a REIT). But think of the fees you paid to hire the Fund Manager to manage your risk -from inspecting the assets (REIT company, sponsors,  building portfolio etc) to selecting the REITs -all these may require team of professionals with more experience, skills and sometimes out-right information.

It's always cheaper to invest in stocks/REITs directly but one of the main purpose of buying UT funds are to diversify your risk and not hold to just one or a few stocks.

Just my 2 cents
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Direct investments, dividend yield alone can get 5-8% p.a. nod.gif

But, without sufficient capital to achieve adequate diversification (assuming one is not a very good stock picker to consistently pick the few winners), UT is the way to go for many of us. Like for me, as long as my portfolio as a whole matches EPF returns, I'm happy. wink.gif
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post Sep 26 2012, 10:12 AM

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Online brokers all competitive rates. Who still uses call-in brokers and pay RM40? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 27 2012, 10:31 AM)
China is at 3 year low... going to be below SSE 2,000 points soon. Anyone targeting?  drool.gif
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Expect stiff resistance at 2,000 points tongue.gif
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post Sep 27 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 27 2012, 10:35 AM)
Good growth for the future.. can try Aberdeen Asian Smaller Companies Fund .. 3 yr +50.3% vs +4.6% benchmark.  flex.gif .I am not vested though...


Added on September 27, 2012, 10:36 am

Well it is now 2004 points, couple more points to go, then the next support will be1600, at all time low.  brows.gif
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I bought into this 2 days ago blush.gif
http://hwangim.com/project/hwang/media/201.../175228-451.pdf

3 years +77.19%

Hope I'm not getting in at the top of the cliff sweat.gif


Added on September 27, 2012, 10:38 am
QUOTE(gark @ Sep 27 2012, 10:35 AM)

Added on September 27, 2012, 10:36 am

Well it is now 2004 points, couple more points to go, then the next support will be1600, at all time low.  brows.gif
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Sifu wongmunkeong gonna be trigger-itchy when that happens brows.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 27 2012, 10:42 AM)
Looks good, but too concentrated in Malaysia and Singapore (>60%) which is not diversified enough for me. Both these countries have been bucking the trend...

BTW Singapore is confirmed to have technical recession in 2Q 2012 according to monetary authority of SG yesterday report.  sweat.gif
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my current equity breakdown:

60% Asia Ex-Japan+GEM
40% global (overweight US + Europe + Japan)

within the 60%:
50% GEM (mainly large caps)
25% Asia Ex-Japan small-mid caps (but current allocation is overweight southeast Asian)
25% Asia Pac REITs

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 27 2012, 10:46 AM
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post Sep 27 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 27 2012, 10:54 AM)
Quite good distribution. I am more Asia skewed. Global so far I see the returns not so exiting..  yawn.gif

20% Malaysia (UT bought long time ago...)
50% Asia ex. Japan (UT)
15% US (via ETF)
15% China (UT)

Hehehe.. tongue.gif
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No wonder Shanghai getting close to break 2,000 level got u excited laugh.gif

Global funds at 40% is as downside protection...those are mainly high yield and big name large caps...

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 27 2012, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 27 2012, 01:39 PM)
SSE climbing up again (lunch time today) sad.gif
Arrgh.. dagnabit get down (and boogie)
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I read a quote yesterday, it sounds something like this...

"History have proven that people who stay invested earn XX times more than people who sit out and wait for a correction"

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post Sep 28 2012, 10:43 AM

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MarketWatch feature on the emerging economies of SEA:

The New Tigers - Indonesia and the Philippines
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post Sep 28 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 28 2012, 02:14 PM)

Added on September 28, 2012, 2:16 pm

Indonesia is upcoming tiger .. but very volatile market, high inflation and unstable currency. Land prices here has gone 3x since 5 years ago... doh.gif

P/s since when you change to hello kitty avatar.. unbecoming fo you leh... laugh.gif
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volatile = higher capital gain opportunity = invest sparingly

changed back...Kitty too kawaii already to put as LYN avatar laugh.gif
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Sep 30 2012, 09:22 PM)
What do you all think on AMB DIVIDEND TRUST FUND... I do have interest to invest using EPF money. Any suggestion? Thanks.
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Do consider Hwang Select Dividend Fund too.

- Bigger fund size ==> lower Management Expenses Ratio

FYI, AMB Dividend Trust Fund management is sub-ed by AMB to Hwang Investment Management Berhad...check it's prospectus and reports. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 2 2012, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(siew14 @ Oct 2 2012, 06:13 PM)
Dear sifu,

just a quick question, for sales charge, it is one time fee or  every transaction you made ( additional investment) ???? Or it is depends on the fund???
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Expenses for UT 101:

Sales Charge
- One time off upfront when u buy

Switching fee
- One time off whenever u perform switching

Exit fee
- One time off when u withdraw i.e. sell

Management fee
- Charged to the fund annually, accrued on daily basis
- This is reflected in the NAV pricing of the fund, in a way u are paying for it without u knowing it, unlike the 3 above


Some fund got 0% sales charge but charges u exit fee (e.g. AmDynamic Bond).
Most funds charge SC but zero exit fee.
Switching fee depends on the fund house.
Management fee is applicable for ALL FUNDS.

Faham? wink.gif
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post Oct 2 2012, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(siew14 @ Oct 2 2012, 08:00 PM)
faham!! but if sales charge is one time off upfront,  i buy the minimum unit then 2 months later buy more units... doing this way can save the cost no??
or it suppose to be when ever you buy the unit, there wil be sales charge???  rclxub.gif
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SC is always calculated as %

E.g.
U buy RM1,000
SC 2%
SC = RM1,000 x 2% = RM20

2 months later u buy RM500
SC = RM500 x 2% = RM10

SC is charged for EVERY PURCHASE made
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post Oct 2 2012, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 2 2012, 10:15 PM)
Who has ambond? Unbelievable.. It increase more than 3% today!
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I suspect a previously written down bond is restated to value...happens also to OSK-UOB Income Fund not long ago hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 2 2012, 10:25 PM)
Feel like asking fundsupermart to get some inside info on this.. Not sure if they can korek the info from am investment?
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Not to sure about this...with UT funds, the manager has a duty to manage the fund with investors' best interest in mind, but don't know if they are obliged to disclose the daily dealings/transactions/movements. Imagine if everyone is asking these sort of questions every day... sweat.gif tongue.gif

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