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post Jan 18 2012, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 18 2012, 08:35 PM)
Diversification is one thing. OVER die-worse-ify is bad hehe - average of average.
And as U mentioned, certain countries or continents need insider / local knowledge to invest better.

Just a thought
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last time my portfolio got quite significant exposure to global equities (1 fund in emerging markets, 1 fund in asia ex-japan, 1 fund in global equities). all of them in the red between 5-15% when I sold them. Checked back recently on these funds, IF I HAD held on to them til now also wouldn't do me much good. shakehead.gif

now just for the sake of diversification, only 1/4 of my portfolio is invested in global equities, with a bias toward developed markets equities (US, Japan, Europe). The bulk of my portfolio now consist of bond and balanced funds with heavy Malaysian exposure. Just wondering should I increase my global equity exposure hmm.gif


Added on January 18, 2012, 9:21 pmguys, just saw from my online banking page...my unit trust summary...it's DOUBLE of my actual holdings... shocking.gif

do u think if I go the bank and print a report from there, if it REALLY doubled due to their system error or whatever, I can really withdraw it? brows.gif ph34r.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jan 18 2012, 09:21 PM
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post Jan 19 2012, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 19 2012, 12:42 PM)
Heheh - analyst predictions.. right...

BTW, last election fiasco - index dropped 10% and KLSE circuit breaker kicked-in.
For the "rest of the fall" in 2008, not due to election IMHO but due to the credit crisis thanks to US (BofA analyst from yr link, hm...).
Thus, 10% drop no biggie if only 30%+ of my assets in KLSE equities, assuming my counters held actually fell 10%. In fact, it's a nice to to buy good businesses at discounted prices if one has ammunition held for such opportunity targets.

Anyways, until crystal balls are invented & analysts' predictions are on the money AND on time, i'll continue on with Asset Allocation executed via 50% Value Averaging+DCA & 50% Opportunity/Lelong purchases tongue.gif

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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e.g. ur strategy is value increase Fund ABC by RM100 every month

Jan-12 ABC dropped -RM100, so u will buy in RM200
Feb-12 ABC increased RM50, so u will buy in RM50

ini maksud "Value Averaging"? unsure.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 27 2012, 09:37 AM)
ya, PM no exit fee, while FSM got exit fee.  tongue.gif
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only on certain funds, and exit fees is usually only applicable for funds with zero service charge whistling.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 27 2012, 09:47 AM)
It depends...
IMHO:
IF you're looking at holistic and total costs for the long term (10 yrs and more), say EPF a/c1 funded investments, there is no 1 fund house in FSM that has both "slightly above average" equity funds AND bond funds. FSM has good equity funds & bond funds but IMHO, not within 1 fund house, thus cant do INTRA switching.
Thus, SWITCHING between INTER fund houses in FSM costs about 1% to 2%? Please correct me if i'm mistaken  notworthy.gif (i actually hope i am, thus i've got another avenue for investments)

VS

Public Mutual's funds which have  "slightly above average" equity funds AND bond funds, which one can switch to/fro for Asset Re-allocation (Tactical or Strategical) / Profit taking / etc.
Mind U, moving $50K, $100K, $200K, etc. several times within 10+ to 20+ years at $0 VS 1% to 2% makes a difference.

Thus, FSM just MAY not be "cheapest" in the long run in this perspective.

BTW, i'm assUme-ing investments via EPF lar, where most working stiff has the $ and doesnt affect "real" cash flow until retirement.
Thus, PM's cost is 3% (if one's one best customer-agent, cost is approximately 1.7%) for equity funds, not 5.5%

Just a thought and hope to be corrected, especially the cost of INTER switching costs for FSM  notworthy.gif
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yes, INTER switching is a combo of 2 transactions - 1 sell & 1 buy
so, sales charge and/or exit fees applies depending on the fund houses

from my 2-3 years with FSM...

their best MYR Bond funds - AmBond, AmDynamic
MYR Equity - Kenanga Growth
MYR Balanced - OSK-UOB KidSave Trust, RHB Goldenlife 2020 & 2030
MRY Money Market - AmIncome Plus, OSK-UOB Cash Management
Asia Ex-Japan Equity - Prudential Asia Pacific Equity
Global - Alliance Global Equity

but OSK-UOB range of funds are also quite good, not outright winners but most are above average icon_idea.gif

OSK-UOB Cash Mangement is available EXCLUSIVELY thru FSM, the fund invests solely in FDs and money market instruments, with T+1 redemption period thumbup.gif


Added on January 27, 2012, 10:05 amso far the only fund with exit fees that I encountered is AmDynamic Bond, which has 0% sales charge and 1% exit fee

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jan 27 2012, 10:05 AM
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post Jan 27 2012, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 27 2012, 12:40 PM)
Yes, FSM has some good funds, mainly as mentioned by Pink Spider

For equity, Kenanga Growth fund/ Syariah Growth fund is one of the best performing in its class. No dividend, only capital gain. N imagine service charge of 1% (promo period like now) vs 5.25% of PM  doh.gif
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dividends are utter nonsense in the context of mutual funds shakehead.gif
when u receive it u kena tax doh.gif
I'd rather have it all in the form of capital gain wink.gif

Kenanga Growth Fund's returns are crazy I tell u sweat.gif

but I'd stay away from MYR Equity funds for now, at least until after the upcoming General Election. MYR Balanced like OSK-UOB KidSave Trust can do DCA lar...but I'm reserving my ammo for now brows.gif


Added on January 27, 2012, 1:10 pm
QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 27 2012, 12:37 PM)
KLCI Tracker from OSK-UOB also has 1% sales charge and 1% exit fee. this fund is available from FSM
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well, not many ppl buy this tongue.gif

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post Feb 6 2012, 03:58 AM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Feb 5 2012, 08:04 PM)
btw, i wanna ask is hwangdbs income select fund good?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Feb 5 2012, 09:35 PM)
No good bro
7.09% pa average for 5yr
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=HWACOME:MK

i intro u this better
15.27% pa average for 5yr
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=KUTNETF:MK
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You're not comparing like with like, HDBS SI is mixed assets-conservative fund, an INCOME FUND whereas Kenanga Growth is MYR Equity fund, a GROWTH FUND shakehead.gif

HDBS SI
- 70% fixed income, up to 30% high dividend-yielding equities
- Non-restrictive mandate, Asian focus; currently about 50% in MYR assets, 50% in foreign investments (mainly HK and SG, the rest in USD-denominated bonds)
- Aims to maximise returns in MYR terms
- 3% sales charge

7%+ annualised return beats EPF, and it does so at a relatively low volatility
3-Year: 11.40%

Kenanga Growth is doing WONDERFUL, but WHAT IF KLSE goes crashing down?

IMHO a combo of BOTH would be great wink.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 6 2012, 09:33 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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"what goes up, must come down" tongue.gif
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QUOTE(th3_UnFoRs33n @ Feb 8 2012, 12:47 PM)
1. AmGlobal Emerging Markets Opportunities Fund
2. Prudential Asia Pacific Equity Fund
3. OSK-UOB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund
4. Manulife Investment – China Value Fund
*info from FSM*

The funds above seems like performing quite well. If only can choose one, which one is the right choice and suitable for investment period for 3 - 5 years?

Thanks in advanced.
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Single sector/country fund is a BIG NO-NO for me

1 & 2 looks attractive nod.gif

Prudential Global Emerging Markets Fund is quite similar to AmGlobal Emerging Markets Opportunities Fund, both also feeder fund to a Schroder investment fund, the only differences are -

PRU
- Feeds into Schroder ISF Emerging Markets
- Equity fund
- Larger Target Fund size, as at 2011-end portfolio size = 100++ different stocks

AmGlobal
- Feeds into Schroder ISF Emerging Markets Opportunties
- Equity AND fixed income fund, but most of the time it's overweight equities, >75%
- Slightly smaller Target Fund size, as at 2011-end portfolio size = 50++ different stocks

I'm buying the PRU one. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 8 2012, 02:05 PM)
Prudential AP Fund has been constantly performing below benchmark year after year also you want to buy?? ISF funds are mostly under performing and the management fees are expensive...

If you want Asia ex Japan, I would suggest the following two funds, which has performed consistently above benchmark over the years.   rclxms.gif

Aberdeen Pacific Equity Fund
First State Asia Growth Fund
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I'm referring to PRUGlobal Emerging Markets, not PRUAsia Pac sweat.gif

PRUAsia Pac SHARIAH performed better than PRUAsia Pac, can be considered icon_idea.gif

The 2...not available in Malaysia doh.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 8 2012, 02:18 PM)
Well PRU Global Emerging markets is so-so only lah...look at 1m, 6m, 1 yr and 3 yr all near the benchmark only, might as well buy ETF.  The management charge by ISF is always expensive, not include all other charges also...

Not available in Malaysia means cannot buy 1 meh? The world is globalized already lah, can use internet to buy anywhere & anytime.
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near benchmark ok la, acceptable for me for long-term investing.

not available in msia means anything wrong hard to find remedy sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Feb 8 2012, 03:40 PM)
Honestly, i recommend sticking to local (malaysia) bonds. At least most fund managers are familiar with them, unlike investing @ other geographical areas(5yr history isn't consistent).
Am Dynamic bond, ambon islam, and several PB/PM bonds are good to start with
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About half of my portfolio is in MYR bonds icon_rolleyes.gif
Even average MYR bond funds performed better + consistently than the better foreign equity funds tongue.gif

But for the sake of diversification, I'm putting about 25% in overseas equity funds

Malaysian market ain't gonna be rich in dividend and bond yield forever sweat.gif


Added on February 8, 2012, 3:49 pm
QUOTE(th3_UnFoRs33n @ Feb 8 2012, 03:11 PM)
I see. Thanks guys. Really informative  thumbup.gif
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just happens I'm shopping for Emerging Markets Equity fund recently, so I've been studying those funds icon_idea.gif

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post Feb 9 2012, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Feb 9 2012, 09:00 PM)
How do i check my unit trust selling price using FSM? Recently, just bought a fund from FSM, can view my fund but so far doesn't show any selling price...
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FSM take T+4 to complete processing of purchase

E.g. u buy on Monday

Tue u will only see amount transacted under outstanding transactions
Wed u will see the pricing, still under outstanding transactions
Fri the purchased fund and units will appear inside your holdings
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post Feb 9 2012, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 9 2012, 09:42 PM)
OMG ... T+4 is very slow!
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once u placed, the order is CONFIRMED. T+4 is just the time for it to appear under your holdings and for it to be available for disposal, i.e. u cannot buy today, tomorrow decide to sell
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post Feb 9 2012, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 9 2012, 09:46 PM)
Thanks for the explanation.

My account just got approved today. Submitted an online application on Thursday night.
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No problemo cheers.gif

U will need to send them copy of your MyKad too, remember to cross it "For iFast Capital use only" icon_rolleyes.gif
Happy low cost UT investing icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 9 2012, 09:53 PM)
Don't talk about NRIC copy.

1st time fax, said not clear. Cannot read my name and NRIC number upon receiving a call from them on Wednesday morning.

Then, scan a copy in PDF format and send via email.

Next, said want to resend or scan the account opening form. Scolded them by asking to check their archive and records as I have already faxed them earlier on last Friday morning. They said will look into that.

Cannot wait and scan the account opening form. Send through email.
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LOL another fellow LYN member also had problem with account opening laugh.gif

either they are more stringent on checks now or efficiency has fallen hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Feb 9 2012, 10:25 PM)
So guys, which funds have you invested with FSM?
currently i'm holding
- ambon islam
- amdynamic bond
- kenanga growth
- rhb islamic bond( loosing money- dammit on the defaulter)
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u really 100% in MYR hmm.gif

Here's mine...

For long-term investment:
- AmDynamic Bond
- OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
- Prudential Global Leaders Fund

For placing excess cash/reserve funds:
- OSK-UOB Cash Management Fund
- AmIncome Plus
- AmBond

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Seems that AmDynamic Bond is everyone's favourite brows.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 10 2012, 08:30 PM)
U may not like dividends yearly by an equity fund.
Reason: When mutual funds distributes dividends, its NAV drops exactly the amount distributed AND to add insult to injury, the distributed $ gets taxed sometimes. Thus, waffor? Sandiwara only
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+100

Wong Seafood the wisest thumbup.gif


Added on February 10, 2012, 9:19 pm
QUOTE(Angel On Fire @ Feb 10 2012, 08:18 PM)
Thanks, transit and kparam77 for the info on PM.

I happened to be at Public Bank today and brought home a bunch of PM brochures. Will need some time to look though them.

For FSM equity funds, it seems that OSK-UOB KidSave is a popular choice after Kenanga growth. But "KidSave" sounds so unaggresive  blush.gif

Personally, I like aggresive EPF approved equity funds that pays yearly dividends and has some overseas stocks exposure.
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KidSave Trust is a fairly conservative MYR Balanced Fund, capital preservation + steady growth, thus "KidSave" tongue.gif
But recently it has amended its mandate to allow diversification into Asia Ex-Japan markets, check its prospectus and latest Fact Sheet, got a bit HK & SG holdings in its portfolio now icon_rolleyes.gif

Overseas exposure...take a look at HwangDBS Select Income Fund, my favourite fund for regular top-up thumbup.gif
70% in fixed income, up to 30% in equities
Currently split between MYR assets and foreign assets is almost 50/50
but macam not EPF-approved...as far as I'm aware, EPF only approved funds that invest MAJORITY in MYR assets hmm.gif

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Feb 11 2012, 09:32 AM)
For OSK-UOB Cash Management Fund:-

let's say I transfer RM5000 to buy the fund
assume Net Interest Rate* (%) = 2.981%
and Indicative Price = RM1.086800

How to count the units I'll get? what's net interest rate (%) used for?

Very blur2 on this fund...
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OSK-UOB CMF is folo previous day pricing, IF u buy in b4 10AM on a working day

E.g. RM1.0868 is price for 09-Feb, and u deposit ur RM5K AND faxed/e-mailed FSM b4 10AM on 10-Feb, u will get
RM5K/RM1.0868=4,600.66 units

Published net interest rate/yield is just an indicative returns that u will get wink.gif

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Feb 11 2012, 08:41 PM)
for HDBS funds, anyone knows where to buy their funds at a cheaper sales charge? HDBS normally charge 5.5% i guess.
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Select Income is 3%
5.5% is for Balanced n Equity funds

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