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post Jul 7 2009, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Raja Kunyit @ Jul 7 2009, 10:20 AM)
If it is your dream to own the land, go ahead to do it. As long as it won't affect your financial burden to a point that you know you will be in trouble. I have the exact dream as you. Always wanted to own an orchard to tend to during my free time, having freinds to go over to lepak, etc.... Knowing that you own something is always a nice feeling. How I wish my dad left me an orchard... so now I know my children won't curse me for not handing over an orchard when I leave this world.  Hahaha!

It is human nature to do a lot of calculation and consideration when we want to embark onto something. When you start calculating this and that too much, nothing will be done in the end. But then again, don't be too greedy la..smile.gif. Too big piece of a land is also sometimes a burden to maintain. The piece that I will be getting is about 5 acres. How to take care of 5 acres?.... think later.

So...if you believe you can afford it, GO FOR IT! What happens later, time will tell. At least after 30 years you won't look back and say, "Damnit, I should have bought the land"!

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where is the land? I know a few land near karak or ulu yam that cost around 19k per acre
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 7 2009, 02:40 PM)
where is the land? I know a few land near karak or ulu yam that cost around 19k per acre
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My piece is in Raub. 19K/acre in Karak & Ulu Yam is cheap! Freehold?

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post Jul 7 2009, 06:22 PM

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haha, no la. Hard to get freehold but its a leasehold till 2090. There is a stream in it too
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QUOTE(Raja Kunyit @ Jul 7 2009, 10:20 AM)
If it is your dream to own the land, go ahead to do it. As long as it won't affect your financial burden to a point that you know you will be in trouble. I have the exact dream as you. Always wanted to own an orchard to tend to during my free time, having freinds to go over to lepak, etc.... Knowing that you own something is always a nice feeling. How I wish my dad left me an orchard... so now I know my children won't curse me for not handing over an orchard when I leave this world.  Hahaha!

It is human nature to do a lot of calculation and consideration when we want to embark onto something. When you start calculating this and that too much, nothing will be done in the end. But then again, don't be too greedy la..smile.gif. Too big piece of a land is also sometimes a burden to maintain. The piece that I will be getting is about 5 acres. How to take care of 5 acres?.... think later.

So...if you believe you can afford it, GO FOR IT! What happens later, time will tell. At least after 30 years you won't look back and say, "Damnit, I should have bought the land"!

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Very true very true.. SOmetimes i think i make too much calculations! In the end, nothing works!

Where is this piece of land that you have found? U gonna do durian?


Added on July 8, 2009, 11:12 am
QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 7 2009, 02:40 PM)
where is the land? I know a few land near karak or ulu yam that cost around 19k per acre
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This is quite affordable. How far away are they from the mainroad? Some really cheap ones are few KMs into the jungle!

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post Jul 8 2009, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(lainux @ Jul 8 2009, 10:57 AM)
Very true very true.. SOmetimes i think i make too much calculations!  In the end, nothing works!

Where is this piece of land that you have found?  U gonna do durian?


Added on July 8, 2009, 11:12 am

This is quite affordable.  How far away are they from the mainroad?  Some really cheap ones are few KMs into the jungle!
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Land already planted with Durian. 50% D24, 40% MSW and 10% others. MSW still young though. Total 100+ trees but still got space. Still deciding on inter-crops and location for my little hide-out hut :-).

I thought you are already buying the land?

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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 7 2009, 02:40 PM)
where is the land? I know a few land near karak or ulu yam that cost around 19k per acre
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What is the total size of the plot? 19k per acre is considered cheap even for a leasehold. Is it Malay Reserve Land? Because I am interested icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 8 2009, 09:34 PM

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around 8-9 acre per land grant. Owner are selling it en bloc. Not that sure how in is it. just heard it from word of mouth, advertisement and online. There is a few land with crystal clear stream and already planted durian
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 8 2009, 09:34 PM)
around 8-9 acre per land grant. Owner are selling it en bloc. Not that sure how in is it. just heard it from word of mouth, advertisement and online. There is a few land with crystal clear stream and already planted durian
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PM me for more info bro! I am interested.


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QUOTE(Raja Kunyit @ Jul 8 2009, 04:40 PM)
Land already planted with Durian. 50% D24, 40% MSW and 10% others. MSW still young though. Total 100+ trees but still got space. Still deciding on inter-crops and location for my little hide-out hut :-).

I thought you are already buying the land?
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Did you plant them or they came w/ the land? Are they bearing fruit now? My friend's 50 acres doing poorly this season due to young trees.

I almost bought a piece, but many things happen during the process, in the end, I am still looking. Too many consideration and desires! hahah... Still waiting... How much did you pay for your land? With stream in it? Are you using any compost as fertilizer?

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post Jul 8 2009, 10:41 PM

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search around online with the necessary keywords, you will find what your looking for
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post Jul 8 2009, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(lainux @ Jul 8 2009, 10:26 PM)
PM me for more info bro!  I am interested.


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Did you plant them or they came w/ the land?  Are they bearing fruit now?  My friend's 50 acres doing poorly this season due to young trees.

I almost bought a piece, but many things happen during the process, in the end, I am still looking.  Too many consideration and desires! hahah...  Still waiting...  How much did you pay for your land?  With stream in it?  Are you using any compost as fertilizer?
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Came with the land. D24s are already more than 10 years old. Only the MSW are new. Some MSW 5-6 years old, so already bearing fruit. There is one very old Durian Kampung tree and according to owner, it is the highest income generator. It bears 500+ fruit per season and he can sell them at RM1-1.50/kg during early season. For your info, Bentong/Raub durians normally produce 2 fruiting season per year. Some of the trees already starting to flower again! But then again, like I said earlier, to make income from it will be hoping for too much. As long can cover maintenance cost, it is good enough. Objective was for my playground but who knows, later plans may yield some income.

Paid about 50K/acre. Freehold but no stream. A clear river runs just 50m from the land. It is also equipped with water pump and generator. Entire 5 acres is alreay laid with water piping. So, I save quite a lot of work and it is very well taken care of. The owner worked his entire life on the land and now getting too old to continue. Was actually sad to see him sell the land. His wife told me he cannot sleep every night. Dunno true or not but if it was me, I would feel the same.

Actually, there are lots of land for sale around the area. Just need time to look round and nego for a affordable price. I believe there is no real market price. It comes down to whether you like the piece or not and if it is well taken care of. At times, it may be cheap but will take a fortune to clear and start-up.

All said and done, the land will only be mine in 3-4 month time smile.gif. Going through legal process now.

Cheers,
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post Jul 8 2009, 11:52 PM

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btw raja,i saw an online ad, land with durian in raub only 20k per acre. Abit hilly though and leasehold
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post Jul 9 2009, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 8 2009, 11:52 PM)
btw raja,i saw an online ad, land with durian in raub only 20k per acre. Abit hilly though and leasehold
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Like I said, there are really a lot of land for sale in that region. I personally visited a few and yes, some of them were in the range of 20-25K/acre and even freehold. But when you see the place, you will say to yourself "OMG, let's go". Not easy to find a well maintain land.

There was one piece I saw and fell in love with it as there was a very very nice river flowing next to it and according to owner, the river is flowed from Fraser's Hill. The water is crystal clear and really cold. My first thought was "I finally found the perfect piece". Next, was time to inspect the durian trees....OMG! all of them were infected with termites! I randomly chose a spot and dug to the ground...holy crap! this is termites country!

So there you go.... At the end of the day, it is the combined elements that would probably be the deciding factor and not just price alone.

Some of them were so hilly even my toyota hilux cannot make the climb safely. Some of them has no legal access road and have to pass other land owner's property and the list goes on.

There was one which was heaven on earth but owner wants 100K/acre and total land area is 10 acres. Reason is there is a super nice waterfall and river flowing right in the middle of the property.

Buying a piece of land is like choosing a wife. Some pretty and sexy but may not be wife quality. Some not so pretty but you know they will be a good wife. Some are both pretty and good wife quality but then you are afraid that others will snatch her away one day. Complexity in life........hahaha!
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Jun 28 2009, 03:26 AM)
1acre needs 50kg of fertilizer. And each 50kg fertilizer around RM200. (fluctuates depends on the supplier mood)
Then, whether a durian well be tasteful or no taste depends on the quality of the fertilizer and the frequency you use the fertilizer.

Pesticide, everytime durian season will need to spray to prevent your durian spoil by bug

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Just curious on the fertilizer used. Do you use 50kg/acre per year or per spray? How often do you add fertilizer? What type of fertilizer? Can use worm compost or not? Seems like worm compost is a lot cheaper than your chemical fertilizer.


Added on July 9, 2009, 1:13 am
QUOTE(Raja Kunyit @ Jul 9 2009, 12:18 AM)
Like I said, there are really a lot of land for sale in that region. I personally visited a few and yes, some of them were in the range of 20-25K/acre and even freehold. But when you see the place, you will say to yourself "OMG, let's go". Not easy to find a well maintain land.

There was one piece I saw and fell in love with it as there was a very very nice river flowing next to it and according to owner, the river is flowed from Fraser's Hill. The water is crystal clear and really cold. My first thought was "I finally found the perfect piece". Next, was time to inspect the durian trees....OMG! all of them were infected with termites! I randomly chose a spot and dug to the ground...holy crap! this is termites country!

So there you go.... At the end of the day, it is the combined elements that would probably be the deciding factor and not just price alone.

Some of them were so hilly even my toyota hilux cannot make the climb safely. Some of them has no legal access road and have to pass other land owner's property and the list goes on.

There was one which was heaven on earth but owner wants 100K/acre and total land area is 10 acres. Reason is there is a super nice waterfall and river flowing right in the middle of the property.

Buying a piece of land is like choosing a wife. Some pretty and sexy but may not be wife quality. Some not so pretty but you know they will be a good wife. Some are both pretty and good wife quality but then you are afraid that others will snatch her away one day. Complexity in life........hahaha!
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Very truely said. I have been looking for more than a year, still haven't found one w/ the right price & right elements. The beautiful place, cost too much, the cheaper place is just too far or too wild.

Does your land have good access? Right next to the road? I think you have saved quite a bit w/ all the piping being done. It could easily cost quite a bomb to do it yourself.

Well bro, dun forget to invite us the next durian season when the piece of land is yours!

Just some more questions for you:
- how are you going to manage your orchard?
- how much loan do you get? 80%? I heard you can get only like 50% for agriculture land. But then again, i dunno about the valuation part, cause they could be so far apart, 100k/acre - 20k/acre!
- have u done ur calculation on how much you need to spend on maintenance?

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QUOTE(Raja Kunyit @ Jul 7 2009, 05:40 PM)
My piece is in Raub. 19K/acre in Karak & Ulu Yam is cheap! Freehold?

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Which place?


QUOTE(Raja Kunyit @ Jul 8 2009, 11:15 PM)
Came with the land. D24s are already more than 10 years old. Only the MSW are new. Some MSW 5-6 years old, so already bearing fruit. There is one very old Durian Kampung tree and according to owner, it is the highest income generator. It bears 500+ fruit per season and he can sell them at RM1-1.50/kg during early season. For your info, Bentong/Raub durians normally produce 2 fruiting season per year. Some of the trees already starting to flower again! But then again, like I said earlier, to make income from it will be hoping for too much. As long can cover maintenance cost, it is good enough. Objective was for my playground but who knows, later plans may yield some income.

Paid about 50K/acre. Freehold but no stream. A clear river runs just 50m from the land. It is also equipped with water pump and generator. Entire 5 acres is alreay laid with water piping. So, I save quite a lot of work and it is very well taken care of. The owner worked his entire life on the land and now getting too old to continue. Was actually sad to see him sell the land. His wife told me he cannot sleep every night. Dunno true or not but if it was me, I would feel the same.

Actually, there are lots of land for sale around the area. Just need time to look round and nego for a affordable price. I believe there is no real market price. It comes down to whether you like the piece or not and if it is well taken care of. At times, it may be cheap but will take a fortune to clear and start-up.

All said and done, the land will only be mine in 3-4 month time smile.gif. Going through legal process now.

Cheers,
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How many acres is it? Our orchard doesn't have water pump, we have a small dam at the top of the hill with pipe to our orchard and shared by few orchard owner. This water can be drunk and it's very cold too. The Indonesian worker at our orchard get the water source from this system. Because of the flow from the pipe is high, it generates electricity for the workers and even burnt the dynamo sometimes. sweat.gif


QUOTE(lainux @ Jul 9 2009, 01:05 AM)
Just curious on the fertilizer used.  Do you use 50kg/acre per year or per spray?  How often do you add fertilizer?  What type of fertilizer?  Can use worm compost or not?  Seems like worm compost is a lot cheaper than your chemical fertilizer.
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50kg/acre/month for the month during the fruiting season, about once every week. Where can you find the worm compost?

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Which place?
How many acres is it? Our orchard doesn't have water pump, we have a small dam at the top of the hill with pipe to our orchard and shared by few orchard owner. This water can be drunk and it's very cold too. The Indonesian worker at our orchard get the water source from this system. Because of the flow from the pipe is high, it generates electricity for the workers and even burnt the dynamo sometimes. sweat.gif
Hydro-electric! Cool... How do you install the hydro-generator? Was it cheap? How much power output?

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50kg/acre/month for the month during the fruiting season, about once every week. Where can you find the worm compost?
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A search on mudah will yield many sources for you.
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I tried using durian husk minus the thorn for worm to compost. Didnt turn out good with the rotting and durian smell from it rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 9 2009, 05:36 PM)
I tried using durian husk minus the thorn for worm to compost. Didnt turn out good with the rotting and durian smell from it  rclxub.gif
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You might need a lot of worm to compost such a big thing! It probably will take many months as well. I suggest just to compost the leaves, grass, and other organic things.

Have you tried using compost as fertilizer?
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abit , but those commercialized organic fertilizer win without a doubt. I didnt put the whole husk , just shard of it
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QUOTE(lainux @ Jul 9 2009, 01:05 AM)
Just curious on the fertilizer used.  Do you use 50kg/acre per year or per spray?  How often do you add fertilizer?  What type of fertilizer?  Can use worm compost or not?  Seems like worm compost is a lot cheaper than your chemical fertilizer.


Added on July 9, 2009, 1:13 am

Very truely said.  I have been looking for more than a year, still haven't found one w/ the right price & right elements.  The beautiful place, cost too much, the cheaper place is just too far or too wild.

Does your land have good access?  Right next to the road?  I think you have saved quite a bit w/ all the piping being done.  It could easily cost quite a bomb to do it yourself.

Well bro, dun forget to invite us the next durian season when the piece of land is yours!

Just some more questions for you:
- how are you going to manage your orchard?
- how much loan do you get?  80%?  I heard you can get only like 50% for agriculture land.  But then again, i dunno about the valuation part, cause they could be so far apart, 100k/acre - 20k/acre!
- have u done ur calculation on how much you need to spend on maintenance?
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Access is not bad. Just 50 meters of legal laterite access from main road. For maintenance, dunno yet...have not think about it yet. Best way to get loan is refinance your house and buy cash.


Added on July 11, 2009, 12:01 am
QUOTE(jiaxun @ Jul 9 2009, 08:29 AM)
Which place?
How many acres is it? Our orchard doesn't have water pump, we have a small dam at the top of the hill with pipe to our orchard and shared by few orchard owner. This water can be drunk and it's very cold too. The Indonesian worker at our orchard get the water source from this system. Because of the flow from the pipe is high, it generates electricity for the workers and even burnt the dynamo sometimes. sweat.gif
50kg/acre/month for the month during the fruiting season, about once every week. Where can you find the worm compost?
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Location is Tras, just a few kms before Raub town. Where is your water source? Underground?

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Wouldnt buying cash will invite the income tax to chase after you?

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