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tunasandwich
post May 4 2008, 05:05 PM

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since we're at it.... talking bout DPS warriors...

a full glads or full merc glads set with vindicator's stuff (means all PvP reward set lah) all gemmed for str/AP/crit viable for doing Kara/Heroics or above? As a DPS role obviously... and mayb offtanks in some fights....?

Oh and also to add, talking about a level 70 warrior, DW Fury specced with the golden dps build, with the glad/merc glad sword/mace/fist/axe....

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LA0cdhbZVV0VxxoVuqo

thanks!

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post May 4 2008, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Jas2davir @ May 4 2008, 05:13 PM)
1 thing you must remember if you want to dps as arms in pve "HIT RATINGS" alot of warrior's who come to pugs as arms get kicked coz their hit ratings is so freaking low....
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wadabout my question...? sad.gif

can u pls answer as well, i'd really like to know....
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post May 4 2008, 05:35 PM

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i think arms spec is only viable with high end gear... and pro players that can manage their rage better (they come in big chunks but less frequent)

IMO the blood frenzy debuff and imp. slam is one of the few reasons why arms spec for raid
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post May 5 2008, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Jas2davir @ May 4 2008, 08:40 PM)
tuna no point going to pve with all that gears i would rather have a pve geared fury warrior become offtank and in 25man there is no such thing as a arms warrior with pvp gear as offtank
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well, the S2 gear wud be easier to farm, coz i'm not in an active guild (its an alts guild... all the mains are busy atm).. and i really dun wanna PuG if I don't have to... so farming honor wud be my best bet... my faction is winnning most of the time on my server....

Bout offtanking when u're the only plate wearer left... U'd have to offtank.... right? I'm not active in High End raids... i might be wrong... please share ur opinion.... a full arena gear DW fury warrior able to offtank? at least boss adds or some thrash mobs...?


QUOTE(Kurei @ May 5 2008, 06:34 AM)
You HAVE to take weapon mastery. You only need 17 points in arms for impale. Cookie cutter build 17/44, there's pretty much no other way going about with it.
why wud u need weapon mastery for PvE? mobs don't disarm... and u expertise ratings don't really help u much as a DW Fury.... or does it improve hit rating? means move from improved overpower into weapon mastery?

i don't understand the term cookie cutter... can u please enlighten me...?

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Added on May 5, 2008, 6:41 am

Well its the BF debuff that makes arms spec wanted in raids and Imp slam that makes it dps viable also.

As for gear wise - Its much easier to gear for Arms then fury especially if you are at low lvl entry. S3 gear + weapon suits this purpose well.
Either way, both specs are gear dependant.
yup... but brings me back to my question.... arena gears + weapons viable as DW Fury for heroics and kara?

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Added on May 5, 2008, 6:42 am
I don't think this makes any sense at all.
what doesn't make sense?





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post May 6 2008, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(aaltong @ May 6 2008, 10:47 AM)
i hear its quite good, if u can time it accurately so tat it hits right after a white swing.... slam refreshes ur swing timer...

to do tat u need very good latency....
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post May 8 2008, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ May 8 2008, 02:41 PM)
To do that actually you need Quartz swing timer.  Latency can be worked around if you have that although personally staring at a swing timer for 4 hours is not my idea of fun.

On an equally geared warrior, I would expect a 33/28 BF/SLAM MS Warrior to be about 300-500dps below a fury warrior, especially at t6 level.  The reason you bring an MS warrior is because more than 1 fury warrior is in most cases a waste of a raid spot.  Blood Frenzy means an additional 4% physical dps which benefits your tanks, hunters, and other melee classes.  When you have dps approaching and surpassing 2000dps, you really see the value of a MS warrior in your raid as the increase in raid dps is more than the reduction in the MS warrior's personal DPS.  We're working on Brutallus atm and i can tell you that it takes a lot of hard work to get to the 2000+dps. 

Expertise is the most pro stat because irrespective of how much hit you stack you will still lose DPS from dodges and if you have bad positioning, parries.  Weapon Mastery is essential for any dps warrior due to the poor itemisation for expertise.  However having said that on my human warrior i'm kinda capped on expertise due to the human sword expertise bonus and shard of contempt which results in a total of 6% dodge reduction.  It's unbelievable good for DPS as all your rage effectively is converted into damage.  The 2% dodge bonus from weapon mastery is a flat out 2% increase in dps and is unbelivably good value for talent point expenditure.  You will never use overpower in pve - it's just not worth the rage loss from stance dancing.  There is only one cookie cutter spec for DW fury and it's 17/44.

For most guilds, you would be damned lucky if you could get a raiding spot as a dps warrior and you really have to be able to demonstrate your worth by being as pew pew as the next rogue.
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when u say 2000+ dps u mean 2000 AP?

wad does cookie cutter spec means? I only know the 17/44/0 specc is the best for DW fury (previous link not correct).... why is it called cookie cutter?

and back to my 1st question.... Arena PvP gear.... viable for DW Fury to do well in Raids?

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post May 12 2008, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ May 9 2008, 05:09 PM)
Cookie cutter is just a standard template for the build that more or less every fury warrior who understands his class uses just because it's that good.  Using anything else will have you called a noob.

It's always viable for PvP geared DW Fury to do well in raids.  the S3 weapons are among the best weapons you can get for pve inspite of wasted stats on resilience.  But if you're talking pure S3+Vindicators you would do mediocre damage by pve standards.  Then your dps performance will depend on a lot of other factors.. like the relative gear and performance of your other raiders and the group you're put into (eg Kurei's good MS Dps was down to a combination of his group and his skill).  Pwning damage meters isn't just about how good your are - it's also about how badly everyone else sucks.
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finally someone actually answered my question... trying hard not to be a n00b here... sad.gif

thanks for your explanation Kidicarus, now i understand!



 

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