Anyone knows what is the minimum requirement for arms to dps well in 25man raid ??
Focus more on hit rating like furry warrior does or more crit ?
plz enlighten me thx^^

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shockingly i know sum 1 who always says that same quote to me

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I saw a legs warrior beat an arms warrior once. It was awesome.

Ignore the trolls

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t14875-warrior...ame_pve_2-hand/

And yes, your gear has to be very good, your minimum gearing has to be Badge and ZA plate pieces.

since we're at it.... talking bout DPS warriors...

a full glads or full merc glads set with vindicator's stuff (means all PvP reward set lah) all gemmed for str/AP/crit viable for doing Kara/Heroics or above? As a DPS role obviously... and mayb offtanks in some fights....?

Oh and also to add, talking about a level 70 warrior, DW Fury specced with the golden dps build, with the glad/merc glad sword/mace/fist/axe....

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LA0cdhbZVV0VxxoVuqo

thanks!

This post has been edited by tunasandwich: May 4 2008, 05:07 PM

1 thing you must remember if you want to dps as arms in pve "HIT RATINGS" alot of warrior's who come to pugs as arms get kicked coz their hit ratings is so freaking low....

wadabout my question...?

can u pls answer as well, i'd really like to know....

Why raid as arms when you can be fury?

i think arms spec is only viable with high end gear... and pro players that can manage their rage better (they come in big chunks but less frequent)

IMO the blood frenzy debuff and imp. slam is one of the few reasons why arms spec for raid

tuna no point going to pve with all that gears i would rather have a pve geared fury warrior become offtank and in 25man there is no such thing as a arms warrior with pvp gear as offtank

You HAVE to take weapon mastery. You only need 17 points in arms for impale. Cookie cutter build 17/44, there's pretty much no other way going about with it.

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Added on May 5, 2008, 6:41 amWell its the BF debuff that makes arms spec wanted in raids and Imp slam that makes it dps viable also.

As for gear wise - Its much easier to gear for Arms then fury especially if you are at low lvl entry. S3 gear + weapon suits this purpose well.
Either way, both specs are gear dependant.

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Added on May 5, 2008, 6:42 amI don't think this makes any sense at all.

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Added on May 5, 2008, 6:43 amAre u in line for warglaives?

This post has been edited by Kurei: May 5 2008, 06:43 AM

well, the S2 gear wud be easier to farm, coz i'm not in an active guild (its an alts guild... all the mains are busy atm).. and i really dun wanna PuG if I don't have to... so farming honor wud be my best bet... my faction is winnning most of the time on my server....

Bout offtanking when u're the only plate wearer left... U'd have to offtank.... right? I'm not active in High End raids... i might be wrong... please share ur opinion.... a full arena gear DW fury warrior able to offtank? at least boss adds or some thrash mobs...?


why wud u need weapon mastery for PvE? mobs don't disarm... and u expertise ratings don't really help u much as a DW Fury.... or does it improve hit rating? means move from improved overpower into weapon mastery?

i don't understand the term cookie cutter... can u please enlighten me...?

yup... but brings me back to my question.... arena gears + weapons viable as DW Fury for heroics and kara?

what doesn't make sense?

expertise helps you alot in pve....y do rogues/fury warriors die for shard of contempt? the expertise reduces the chances your attacks will be missed.

As most raiding guilds will have an arms warrior, the best and fatest way is to armory the warriors from established guilds.

Most people will have the same items with similiar geming choice

The bad thing is most of them will be wearing gear tiers above say, a starter, but should give you a good idea

Just to sound more pro / elitist - Its attacks being dodged. hahaha.

How about Slam build DPS, is it good?

http://altosis.blogspot.com/2008/01/2h-pve...xy-vs-3130.html

http://www.honorbound.se/Slamdps2.pdf

i hear its quite good, if u can time it accurately so tat it hits right after a white swing.... slam refreshes ur swing timer...

to do tat u need very good latency....

To do that actually you need Quartz swing timer. Latency can be worked around if you have that although personally staring at a swing timer for 4 hours is not my idea of fun.

On an equally geared warrior, I would expect a 33/28 BF/SLAM MS Warrior to be about 300-500dps below a fury warrior, especially at t6 level. The reason you bring an MS warrior is because more than 1 fury warrior is in most cases a waste of a raid spot. Blood Frenzy means an additional 4% physical dps which benefits your tanks, hunters, and other melee classes. When you have dps approaching and surpassing 2000dps, you really see the value of a MS warrior in your raid as the increase in raid dps is more than the reduction in the MS warrior's personal DPS. We're working on Brutallus atm and i can tell you that it takes a lot of hard work to get to the 2000+dps.

Expertise is the most pro stat because irrespective of how much hit you stack you will still lose DPS from dodges and if you have bad positioning, parries. Weapon Mastery is essential for any dps warrior due to the poor itemisation for expertise. However having said that on my human warrior i'm kinda capped on expertise due to the human sword expertise bonus and shard of contempt which results in a total of 6% dodge reduction. It's unbelievable good for DPS as all your rage effectively is converted into damage. The 2% dodge bonus from weapon mastery is a flat out 2% increase in dps and is unbelivably good value for talent point expenditure. You will never use overpower in pve - it's just not worth the rage loss from stance dancing. There is only one cookie cutter spec for DW fury and it's 17/44.

For most guilds, you would be damned lucky if you could get a raiding spot as a dps warrior and you really have to be able to demonstrate your worth by being as pew pew as the next rogue.

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: May 8 2008, 02:42 PM