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 Steven's Corner Brand New Look, what if it looks like coffee bean?

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Jordy
post May 19 2008, 05:23 PM

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Hi siliconwiper.com,
I have a question to ask you. We all pay RM3,000 and we will be getting back RM200 (RM50 voucher + RM150 cash) montly. Doesn't this mean they will be doing this at a loss? As you said, they will be giving out 20,000 pieces of membership, which means they will have to pay out a total of RM4,000,000 monthly. Does this make sense at all? What if they DO NOT pay after they realised it is too much to bear? With the current business of Steven's Corner, I even doubt it can make RM1,000,000 in a month, so what about RM4,000,000? wink.gif
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post May 19 2008, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(siliconwiper.com @ May 19 2008, 08:40 PM)
Well the rm50 is your money anyway. just that they give you in food form and this is at their cost oh. and the rm150 is only 5% from your money also. So by mean mthly 5% out of the profit margin is more than enough to pay we all. You hv to count in total 100 outlet x rm15k daily sales x 30 days = 45,000,000 - 4,000,000 = 41,000,000.
  I guess you misunderstand Steven's Corner with Steven's Tea Garden.Current SC sales approx. rm1.2mill and are family business. Mr.Steven the elder son join with 2nd and 3rd son Nathan,Ghunalan, are making STG a new mamak hit that bare the STEVEN'S brand name and will make our demand for local f&b creativeness to open 100 outlet and having 20,000members to help them to collect rm60million. Even if they need to payout rm60mil in 5 years or even the break even they still own 100 outlet after 5 years...man you can do the calculation what will they earn.
So to help them and for rewarding us, we all need to support them by dropping by the new STG with our frens and family. So they will be a good flow of new patrons to make business boom. So without customer like us, they can't make it..but if they pay me to eat and earn...just like what i'm doin now....well i might just earn few hundred thousand by then..... whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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That is what I am saying, its a capital raising exercise. Which means they should either get SC's or BNM's permission to execute it. Do they have such certification to say that they are legally allowed to collect money from the public?
By the way, how sure are you that they have sales of RM1.2million a month? Are you sure that the new concept would bring in RM15k sales DAILY?
If you can convince us with these, I would be interested as well smile.gif
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post May 19 2008, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 19 2008, 09:17 PM)
Frankly speaking for a company with RM 54 m cash sales a year , most banks are keen to loan them money at 10% a year. Why need to raise capital with 10% return a month.
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From siliconwiper.com's previous post, it is stated that they are using "investors" money to open up the 100 outlets.
I am wondering also, but if it is used as a customer loyalty reward kind of thing, then I have no say smile.gif
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post May 20 2008, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(siliconwiper.com @ May 19 2008, 09:30 PM)
well this you should had ask Mr.Steven himself. loan got interest ma....hahah
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So, loan has interest and paying "investors" is not interest? RM150 is 5% a month, so they are paying interest of 60% a year. That is way way higher than paying the bank interest. Please do your research before saying it wink.gif
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post May 20 2008, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ May 20 2008, 12:25 AM)
One has to be loyal customer to entitle for the "interest".... sad.gif
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Dude, we can use the RM50 coupon and actually eat-for-free and still be considered "loyal" what tongue.gif
Imagine you can eat RM50 worth of food every month with your friends, I like the idea of it brows.gif
I'm bringing my partner for one month, my mother for another month, my father for another month, etc..
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post May 20 2008, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 20 2008, 08:20 AM)
You can eat well, but  then again you might not sleep well. Unless, you think 3k is a very small matter.

I prefer to eat less of the oily food, and prefer sleep over food , nowaday.

And again, bringing your clients here may affect your image as a well trusted consultant, what type of investment shall we call it ? can you justify your loss ( could be profit also ) to your clients ?

Since inflation of food is catching up, I as well eat less to cut cost.
Sorry to be harsh, but it is not easy to build a good image like you, treasure it and do not throw it away.

I have high regard for you, though could be a friendly competitor at times.
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SKY, first of all, I do not intend to bring my clients there smile.gif I would bring my loved ones there as I was saying.
Really, I have even lost RM90k in a failed business and lost RM20k in the stock market following speculators, so there is no risk that I wouldn't take though tongue.gif Sorry if I sound sarcastic to you, but we all do know that "no risk no gain". It is the same as unit trust too, and if I do "invest" in this scheme, I should be ready to "lose" the RM3k.
I do like your sharing and criticism, as I am also learning things from everyone smile.gif Please do continue sharing your 2 cents.

QUOTE(weichong @ May 20 2008, 10:53 AM)
There's something you are missing here,
1) the RM150 is in food voucher, which means that you can only spend the money in the shop, thus making sure people will go to the shop and increases thier sales, although loan from bank have lower interest, there is no guarantee people will visit their shops
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weichong, they are paying RM50 in voucher and RM150 in cash per month. RM150 is 5% "interest" based on the initial investment of RM3,000 smile.gif
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post May 20 2008, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Jean72 @ May 20 2008, 04:00 PM)
SKY 1809,

We don't know whether they have got the approval, but we can always do our check. Perhaps drop a note to SC and have this check up..
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I have asked the SC to check, and he will give me the result later.
I will update it here, and if it's illegal then actions will be taken against them smile.gif
Well, hope it is a legal scheme, so I can start putting my money in it for the food tongue.gif
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post May 20 2008, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Jean72 @ May 20 2008, 05:07 PM)
I have done the same..let's see.
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Jean, have you received SC's reply yet?
Please do update us if you got the reply before me smile.gif
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post May 20 2008, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(siliconwiper.com @ May 20 2008, 10:21 PM)
Dear Jean72,
thank you so much for all of forumers concerns and i really appreciated it...anyway this is also my wrong decision to put it up as forumers normally likes to find out answer for everything as easy as typing...is there anyone are really going to put up the hard work to realise this or at least put up the effort to prove it wrong but seriously if you'll are so concern about ppls money, can anyone can have a reality meet up for the whole programs?  mayb i shouldn;t had been try to share something that ppl are only concern about something might or might not happen in the end and they just like to ask but not really have any interest on this project..if your interest then pls PM me as i'm starting to felt may b should just forget about the whole thing ....if majority ppls here find that this just wasting time then just put some votes and if negative result more than half dozen then this is consider case close and sorry for the disturbance made....
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Bro, now you sound pathetic. No offence though, but please do not make yourself look like a fool.
Well, we welcome any sharing as this is a FORUM. Also, I spend my time on this because I AM interested in it.
Do you think I am such a time-waster? Get real man, I have more important stuffs to do rather than checking up if this is a real deal or not if I am NOT interested. I do not want to sound like I'm flaming you, but please expect criticism for something that you have posted, like it or not.

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post May 21 2008, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(kiguss @ May 21 2008, 12:15 AM)
I want to know more information about the free food on this friday (23/05/08) is it open to public/everyone? or just invited visitor only? where is the venue?
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Yes, I believe so it is open to public. Anyway, it is an "opening ceremony" for this scheme.
It will be held at Steven's Corner Setapak smile.gif
Well, I do hope it is really an opening ceremony, rather than a "tool" to try and recruit people just like those scams *coughlbcough* smile.gif
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post May 21 2008, 12:31 PM

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SC has confirmed that this scheme is not licensed under them, because it has no securities element in it. The matter will be referred to BNM, and things will get interesting from here on smile.gif Stay tuned.
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post Jul 25 2008, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 25 2008, 03:44 PM)
For MLM company, they still need to register under KPDN, if not mistaken.

For public prepaid, some fellow forumers have mentioned need BNM approval

For public investment, SC approval is needed.
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Indeed, this business model should be registered under BNM/BAFIA because it works like getting deposits from public and paying interest-like incentives. This is what I was told by my friend in SC smile.gif

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