Slander is only when a negative impression/perception of a party is made public, hence jeopardizing the reputation of the affected party.
It is not slander if it is kept to oneself privately.
Isn't it so?

Difference is, one side knew of the slander, the other (STG) knew not.
And from the other discussion (95% sdn bhd right?), those who cried scam were misled by misinformation, but still, doesn't justify a scam.
Hence i refrained from using the word scam so as not to get implicated.
To be made to perceive as a scam does not justify a public absolute stance that it MUST be a scam unless proper evidence has been put forth, and clear indication of clearing all doubts with the Management be sought first, of which chatwarrior did not show that to be done. All he had was his interaction with one or few members. No indication of involvement by chatwarrior with the Management to solve the dispute amicably.
Yes, this excuse can be used as well to defend the act of slander, that the representative of the company had deliberately misled me to perceive such as such and such, etc. and hence my public outcry. Not sure if this will hold in court.

Thats why he cannot be from the management team or official representative lor....so no point in chatwarrior arguing with Silicon.
Best is to bring it up to consumer tribunal, or Malay Mail Hotline, or even MCA michael chong?
Posting all over LYN doesn't really raise much awareness...as not many people wants to read 20 over pages of long postings and arguments.

Aiyo , u guys bashing here for what? People invest their money its their money la , people that invested also haven't regret and u guys do nothing but juz bashing. If u dun think it worth , juz FO la. Dun kacau ppl do business mah , lolx. Thats what the reality ma , businessman u noe lah. juz face the reality . u dun like this scheme , just don't invest lah. lol

Sorry to trouble you. Can you give me the contact phone numbers of BNM or SC(i think you mentioned them before) if you have them ? I cannot stand all these nonsense anymore.
I will report to them. If they feel that it is not illegal, I will ask them to contact SiliCON so SiliCON can promote to them.

1st of all....shareholder do have burden if outlet collapse and they hv to fork out more capital to sustain and eventually if it fails u not only loose ur initial cap. but all the pump in money too....now u use ur rm3k to enjoy a piece of FnB's empire. STG makes profit of course bu they need to open outlet and run the business while u as a members just go there and eat.

bro, y u guys like to compare this and compare that? Share is share , Food is Food? what happen to u all?wake up lah! u like to buy share u go buy share lah...u like buy food u buy food lah...why go compare and orange with an apple? aster being here for 2 mths u'll are turning round n round...doesn't u guys ired of asking the same questions ..oh! of course....now i understand coz u guys can;t think out of the box is it! (just a guess) so if u want all sc bnm legalise...so go for the product that u find everything is right for u....pls dun tell me the highest order of the country does not survive theyself in grey area..? even any monetary are been secure by funds...it is only ur money which is guarded..but in business what can the trustee do to make the business success? if not for the real magic in business is make high profit with minimum expense and to hv sustainability then a competitiveness to capture the market shares of the field...so by using team work by all members something works well since the scratch of the STG was nothing to so many thing now. So pls don't ask me anymore questions that doesn't help anyone here...if u want to help pls. go understand the business 1st then we talk...CAN?
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U see carefully , actually her 1st and 2nd pic is same , 3rd and 4th pic is same ... the different is only the 2nd and 4th pic already edited by photoshop to become more pretty .

Huh ? I use "her" because happy4ever had mention these is her(happy4ever) photos ...
Sorry , i can't get your meaning...

careful for what u say.,..it is not me that is important now it is other people business as ur sabotaging it...

pls..take concern on how u use the words dumb....i had accountant, banker, lawyer, business ppl...running more than 500 staff co. in my group...u mean all this ppl is dumn also? the main concern for u guys and for mean are in different scope...i can understand what u all needs but what you dunno is no matter how i tell it is the same....evrything here is not right for you from your scope of thinking.  but pls. do understand also here we run business legally and we have what we need to do business..as for you guys all you want is to fulfill your ego...if your not goin to join then just forget it...if you try to help other by your own opinions pls remebr if you can proof (solid proof) that this can;t even works...pls take caution from how you try to help,

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Added on September 4, 2008, 9:51 pm
alot of updates can only be updated in the way of past tense...even anything before that are too sensitive for ppl here as they have to hv the guts to accept updates coz they thought they already put in dunno how many thousand too...or perhaps they are very gd ppl always warn that this is a scam..but they them self can't come to find proof? as they won't and they can;t thru their knowledge....before ppl do something great...they are always ppl who say cannot and can't.....to me we think and make things happen even they are alot of obstacles.....if not today we won't hv forum or internet.....hv heart even u want to help other....only hv mouth are not enough.....next stop bukit bintang!

all my action is base on my own leisure to post for infos and no intention for sales n promoting, it is you guys that never take action to realise the whole mktg strategies and business concept wer u guys is try to learn how to swim by reading some infos of how to swim....so it doesnt make any different for you guys here....even some from this forum does drop by to meet our CEO and realise how potential and creative STG is. So i guess i'm just doing my own part as an members to post for leisure and i'd already told u guys to swift the whole thing to Kopitiam instead since this is more like a disccusion and not about biz...so did they do the right actions??

"You as the one doing the promotion is obligated to answer the questions, and those asking the questions has got no obligation to find out for themselves if they are not interested."

hey, are you guys blind or def? how many time does i need to tell you that, there are no needs for me to promote the STG membership program here at the very 1st place...please keep this in mind.  Even u can see the thread title? it is an questions that addresses personal opinion on the concept restaurant and not the program anyway...the eat n get pay is part of the concepts and nothing is for sales here...even i don;t need your money even u have it or not..some more else all those questions is to be address to the person in charged for the program right and not me...so what happen now is you guys are the one that seems look like/act wanted to join or even want to help ppl like some kind of marketing expert/analyst, then more questions raised but MIND BLOCK to accept/seek the whole ideas...keep the thinking u have/like to make it your way...so be it...now what this look like my war? i dun need u guys to help or not to help....i dun need all these craps. as i ask if this thread intention dun falls on this categories pls move me to some wer appropriate, or even close it down too for making my life better than to face all this round about no directions at all...

it is you guys that want thins to be at how you all want it! in my own intention it is about infos sharing.. so it it worthless for me to stay here too....and thats what i'm nteded to do .......

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Added on September 9, 2008, 5:59 pm
forget it...u obviosly think that i'm sellin here which i dun even need any of your concern about join or not join me....even if you want to join, i might had to think few times whether do i wanted u to be in my group.! just forget it...u can keep what u think is your right here to questions and i'm off from this thread of wasting time and energy only.

wat to do...so many ppl so busybody mah!  the ransom? syiok sendiri lah! they say this is time wasting but they keep coming here to talk bad bout other ppl business.

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Added on September 13, 2008, 2:11 am
didn't i mention many time also that PLS DON'T JOIN after reading! SO can u see what i said! no joining for LOWYAT members pls. help me as i'll be blame that i do selling/promoting STG here!  FINE? how on earth that you can start to believe i'm not promoting here?

i'm a membership subscriber that earning went i eat and keep on eating for this coming 5 years..so i get paid for that this coming 5 years. Well, i share this idea as part of the advertising program, i'll get paid more.

i felt that you guys are more happy to see this thread keep running as to served your hunger of EGO instead of stopping it (for helping others) if you felt (coz no actual proof) that this is a SCAM!  aren't you guys supposed to stop this than to keep it?

yeah i do know wat is tok kok also

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Added on October 20, 2008, 1:30 pm
yeah like mc donald need to do 24 hours delivery huh!...the way u think also 1 sided too. can't i be the other side? even regular mamak wanted to do 24 hours....u think so easy to run more hours ...cost is higher too and paying the wages is no problem lah ...as long sales catching up then it is good...how many times u do when there??? i guess no loh.!  sales are better now...thanks to LYN too for free publicity....

FAIL......? 600 in my group and u call that fail?  well call that a starter! wait till u eat ur own words since curry is not for you....as ppl here pls. use your own brain before u think of making a decision upon someones are not even know what the heck STG is doin and start making like he knows everything. As someone that started it from scratch...as some one that had built from nothing to 600 network of net worth 1/2 mil. ringgit.  See u guys at Aeon Jusco Ampang Utara 2 next outlet opening on 5th of December 2008....well result means everything bro...i'm in a forum which are control and monitor by some so called self name expert here....You just got lucky of not being warn by our authorities as you might be acting great here in the forum ONLY! i repeat ur LUCKY....if your not goin to close the thread, thank u too....result means everything....only ppl who believe what the read from all your claims are ture might had just been manipulate by you too...make sense? so thanks for being you in the forum...then i guess i'd had to take what ever judgment you guys wanna put on me....but that doesn't means STG can be successful.right? Market is not really healthy lately,,,but not here...we are making progress and is moving faster than usual....

i guess the problem is so mutual between me as a members of STG and all the forum ppl. 1st, it was not an investment scheme, it is only a membership programs . 2ndly. Since it is not any investment, so y on earth do we need to argue on legility? 3rdly the progress i mention here are based on the members concern as they should need more updates on outlets been open coz we need to dine in to get our advertising fees (reward).

So why it is claim as investment/Scam an so on ,it is all in your thought untill now. and how come you ned to compare it with other business as this is a 32yrs management from Stevens Corner itself. you can always log on tho www.stevensteagarden.com for updates..

. even you can't have a solid proof that this is a scam or whatsoever.....but it has be misjudge that it seem it was! i don't think it is fair also for me or fot STG....the whole marketing are handled by STG Resources Sdn. Bhd. and the reason they did not took any actions against ppl who mis claim them in this thread is because the proof and evidence is not enough to sue them. So don't simply shoot whatever u like. If those who think they are so expert can try shoot address to their co. name and you can see are we serious about this matters?

thats the reason why i always prefer the thread should go to kopitiam instead in this section as i felt i'd started this in a wrong place..and this does not mean i'm runnin away....as Lowyat does bring me business in other thread. Thanks alot.

3) Does this T&C looks familiar?

22. CHANGE OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS

The PB8 Group reserves the right to vary, amend or supplement any of the Terms and Conditions by way of notice in such manner as deemed suitable by the PB8 Group from time to time. ...by the local bank

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D1G1's T&C

a) All or any part of the Services may be modified, withdrawn or supplemented by D1G1 unilaterally at any time without any prior notice to the Customer.

b) D1G1 reserves the absolute right, without any liability, at any time, to change or alter any part of the Services (including discontinuing the Services) and/ or the pricing structure of the Services at any time without any prior notice to the Customer.

c) The Services is subject to network limitations and availability.

d) D1G1 does not warrant the performance or suitability of the Customer's handset or device on any network other than D1G1's network.

e) D1G1 does not warrant the timeliness, accuracy and usability of the Services or that the Services will be error free.

f) D1G1 reserves the right to vary, add or amend any of these Terms and Conditions without giving any notice. ......and this from our local com. service provider.

???? they can change the T&C deemed suitable, so any problem with that?

don't sign an agreement that you don't feel right..

without you having a good case to drag them to court?  OMG, before you wanna win a case your already suck dry by the fees..

Here you sign if you read it is ok, not blindly right or being force?

further more, DIg1 or another service provider does have plan that offering phone for you to sign up for a agreement of 2 years and what you call that if they have the right to amend anything anytime....? you see the differences here is they give you a phone instead..

STG - you can always buy a prepaid package from any other prepaid services like prepaid phones mostly now offer more talk time, like Touch n Go that all doesn't offers anything extra in return, even there are membership card like japanese rest. Jog0y4 about rm1170 for the card and offering more extra food and some point to redeem gift, bla bla bla...etc...

now all these are offers to customers....the differences here is they offer more than just a gift or more food...that's y the are more unique than any other prepaid in the market. Isn't this is better Offers than usual..?

i really can't stop you to think this is an investment no matter how you have it...But may i know if it turns out not to be SCAM then will we get some positive supports from out fellow Malaysian that mainly support foreign brands
and let out money flow out. So i guess i'll stick here to updates progress and you guys can always support morally even you dun really dine in or buy any packages...BUT PLS. dun just shoot like you already know the future. You dun like the way i talk, i dun even like the way you treat us too. to be matter of facts damaging other ppls goodwill will only get them in trouble i guess better go get a very good lawyer then.

fyire,
for legibility issue, it is not a straight forwards answer, as this kind 'membership' program, or prepaid or whatever, it could be using the loopholes of existing regulations which you need professional lawyer to prove which way it is. There is grey area of it.

1. MLM -- they can claim it is not MLM. You need KHPDN license to do it.

2. Prepaid - they can claim it is not prepaid. You need BNM/BAFIA before can start a public prepaid programme.

3. Investment scheme - they can claim it is not an investment (but this scheme has a lot of feature on it). You need SC approval

4. Membership - it is not a pure membership program as where got membership program got return rate one. Membership programme normally entitle to use the company facility, enjoy priviledge or discount only.

5. It is not a joint investment programme, because under the membership, one is not the shareholder of the company, one doesn't entitle the profit made by company. So whether company earns millions also not a business for those joining the membership/prepaid scheme.
Actually, it is much better to join as shareholder as compared to 'prepaid scheme' as you own the company actually if one really feel good about the company or seeing it has good future.

aiyo...i know you all won't join lah....but at least give some respect for a brave local brand (if not a scam). Can at least give some time or at least don't jeopardize/damage other ppl business mah....me myself had been 11yrs their regular customer in Stevens Corner. So y how come all ppl here act like 1 kind? i never intend to ask anyone join. I'm trying to updates the happening from start to date. i get so p1ss for sometimes for all this ppl think i'm doin selling here, even if i sell, i only sell my own co. stuff wat?

i'd been asking to move this thread to kopitiam at least it is about yumchar topics....

so can at least just keep in mind that they is a new cafe from Stevens Corner management named Stevens tea Garden...whether member or not it's not my concern and your concern is they might been trying to scam ppl...so just see loh.....5th December in Aeon Jusco Ampang Utara 2.

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Added on October 28, 2008, 2:30 am
i did not say u the one who claim this is a scam..i mean some other ppl here.(Mr.Claim) . Anyway, of course STG is different from other biz and thats the reason y u should had not be comparing it with so called investment and so on just b'coz it has some elements that u said right? as we know it is different from the others, so pls dun compare loh.

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Added on October 28, 2008, 2:33 amfyire,

"People are always "innovative" nowadays.

Consumers need to learn and educate themselves about it and I find this thread is actually educating a lot of people, how a "membership" or prepaid scheme or whatever name you call it that can be set up for purposes.

It is very similar to MW thread as well."

u see this is how human compare, well it is natural that human do judge wrongly too and this might just happens to u guys.

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Added on October 28, 2008, 2:35 amguys,
chat started a good topic on this too....smart fella...

chk this out --->> http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/724233