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TSdek_ang
post Apr 28 2008, 03:32 PM, updated 18y ago

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Tips on Filling your Vehicles...

This is a Message received from a friend:

I don't know what you guys are paying for petrol... but here
in Durban, we are also paying higher, up to 47.35 per litre.
But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now,
so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth
for every litre.

Here at the Marian Hill Pipeline, where I work in Durban, we
deliver about 4 million litres in a 24-hour period thru the
pipeline.

One day is diesel; the next day is jet fuel, and petrol, LRP
and Unleaded. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total
capacity of 16,800,000 litres.

ONLY BUY OR FILL UP YOUR CAR OR BIKKIE IN THE
EARLY MORNING WHEN THE GROUND TEMPERATURE IS
STILL COLD.
Remember that all service stations have their
storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground,
the denser the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so
buying in the afternoon or in the evening.... your litre is not
exactly a litre.

In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the
temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and
other petroleum products play an important role. A
1degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business.
But the service stations do not have temperature
compensation at the pumps.


WHEN YOU'RE FILLING UP, DO NOT SQUEEZE THE
TRIGGER OF THE NOZZLE TO A FAST MODE.
If you look,
you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low,

middle, and high. In slow mode, you should be pumping on
low speed, thereby minimizing the vapours that are
created, while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump
have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate,
some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour.
Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the
underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for
your money.


ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TIPS IS TO FILL UP
WHEN YOUR TANK IS HALF FULL.
The reason for this is,
the more fuel you have in your tank, the less air occupying
its empty space. Petrol evaporates faster than you can
imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating
roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol
and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.

Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that
we load is temperature compensated, so that every litre is
actually the exact amount.


ANOTHER REMINDER, IF THERE IS A FUEL TRUCK
PUMPING INTO THE STORAGE TANKS, WHEN YOU STOP
TO BUY, DO NOT FILL UP
- most likely the petrol/diesel is
being stirred up as the fuel is being delivered, and you
might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the
bottom.


Hope, this will help you get the maximum value for your
money.

DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS! LET’S SHARE
INFORMATION AND BENEFIT ALL, FOR THE BETTER OF
MANKIND.



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post Apr 28 2008, 03:37 PM

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good information smile.gif will definitely try it out
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:38 PM

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i also still trying.. whistling.gif
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:40 PM

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i only know the first one, which is pump it in the early morning. Thanks ts smile.gif
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:42 PM

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of the suggestions made, i would say the first one as the only logical one to practice.

definitely gonna try that.
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:43 PM

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Nice one TS.... never knew about pumping petrol in the morning. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:44 PM

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i was trying the second one..DO NOT SQUEEZE THE
TRIGGER OF THE NOZZLE TO A FAST MODE.for 500km journey i saved about rm20..
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:45 PM

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i tried my best to pump during the morning or night ... and with slow speed
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE
ONLY BUY OR FILL UP YOUR CAR OR BIKKIE IN THE
EARLY MORNING WHEN THE GROUND TEMPERATURE IS
STILL COLD. Remember that all service stations have their
storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground,
the denser the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so
buying in the afternoon or in the evening.... your litre is not
exactly a litre.

dun be stupid sweat.gif .all those fuel at underground are maintain on the same temperature at night or day....is impossible for da tanks to rise temperature bro
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:47 PM

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anyone try ur best and dont forget to give any feedback here..enjoy..
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 03:44 PM)
i was trying the second one..DO NOT SQUEEZE THE
TRIGGER OF THE NOZZLE TO A FAST MODE.for 500km journey i saved about rm20..
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yah.. i always do this..
just use slow mode...i dun mind tat pump in slow,but worth with it..

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post Apr 28 2008, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Apr 28 2008, 03:47 PM)
dun be stupid  sweat.gif .all those fuel at underground are maintain on the same temperature at night or day....is impossible for da tanks to rise temperature bro
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really?? why do u say so bro??

i mean to my logic, when the sun is beating hard on the ground, the ground temperature will rise and so it will affect the temperature of the tanks stored below ground...cuz i dunno how far below is the tank stored...


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post Apr 28 2008, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Apr 28 2008, 03:47 PM)
dun be stupid  sweat.gif .all those fuel at underground are maintain on the same temperature at night or day....is impossible for da tanks to rise temperature bro
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u sleep at night or day in ur home are same temperature ke bro?of cos at night more cold than evening.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 03:53 PM)
u sleep at night or day in ur home are same temperature ke bro?of cos at night more cold than evening.. rclxub.gif
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but he might have some truth to his statement...as we do not know how far deep is the tank buried...

items stored underground at a certain depth has a more constant temperature....unless the tank is just between 10-30 feet below ground, the temperature will rise during the day..however i believe if the tank is more than 40-50 feet below ground then it'll be constant temperature...
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QUOTE(jceh83 @ Apr 28 2008, 03:51 PM)
really?? why do u say so bro??

i mean to my logic, when the sun is beating hard on the ground, the ground temperature will rise and so it will affect the temperature of the tanks stored below ground...cuz i dunno how far below is the tank stored...
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if it not far...wangsa maju already kaboom...it got 2 station sticked together

QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 03:53 PM)
u sleep at night or day in ur home are same temperature ke bro?of cos at night more cold than evening.. rclxub.gif
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yes....outside temperature....there is some special thing which is monitor da temperature 1....if it not..kaboom already...i wont be here anymore. + most of this trick i know very very long time already...and my dad did tested...no special at all.

most of this tricks were created by some fool at website,and alot of people thinks it is real doh.gif
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post Apr 28 2008, 03:58 PM

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aiya if u pump according to the method also

IF it really works and u get like 500 ml extra.... when u get stuck in a 10 mins jam...

habis jugak right
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:00 PM

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nice information

thanks
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It is just tips... To follow or not is up to us. TS is sharing due to petrol price crisis tat seem everyone is not happy with. Therefore, thanks for the info. Some may seem reasonable and practically worth testing.
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:02 PM

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350Z driver crashed at SPRINT yesterday !!!!![SIZE=7] ??????

nice trick bro... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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ya people are just sharing info, u dont like it can just ignore..don be a dumb flamer
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:05 PM

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yaa.thanks for bro2 who understanding...i just want to sharing what i got..
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:08 PM

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Thanks for the information smile.gif
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:09 PM

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ehh.. could be true also la.

u see ppl keep wine down @ the cellar or underground basement.

n also.. if any of u been to trips visitin like thai n vietnam, those war places where they hve tunnel n all going deep underground.

its really much cooler, can be COLD inside compared to outside sweat.gif
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:10 PM

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Cool. Maybe I'll put a thermometer in my fuel tank.
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lol.. n how are u going to read it?? sweat.gif

tie a string n drop the thermometer inside ah??


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post Apr 28 2008, 04:15 PM

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haha...just ignore him...let he try put thermometer...jangan kaboom sudah...gudluck bro..
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:16 PM

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woah...moon* tai kor is here...

vrrrooom vrrroomm
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:24 PM

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but i think for who using civic ek doch vtec engine cant feel any effect even using this tip...hehe..
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:29 PM

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lol.. no taikor.

small fry tongue.gif

QUOTE(jceh83 @ Apr 28 2008, 04:16 PM)
woah...moon* tai kor is here...

vrrrooom vrrroomm
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oh wat the..

where got such thing.. sweat.gif

QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 04:24 PM)
but i think for who using civic ek doch vtec engine cant feel any effect even using this tip...hehe..
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:35 PM

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thanks for the tips dude...how about pumping at nite...around 11pm-12am??


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as long as its cooling.
should be the same.
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QUOTE(lthock @ Apr 28 2008, 04:35 PM)
thanks for the tips dude...how about pumping at nite...around 11pm-12am??
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no matter what time bro...d important when the temperature is cold.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 28 2008, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 03:32 PM)
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TIPS IS TO FILL UP
WHEN YOUR TANK IS HALF FULL.
The reason for this is,
the more fuel you have in your tank, the less air occupying
its empty space. Petrol evaporates faster than you can
imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating
roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol
and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.

Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that
we load is temperature compensated, so that every litre is
actually the exact amount.
Won't it be heavier for the car for it to be between full and half full? Thus increasing car load? Thus increase FC? It might be saving a few cents by "minimizing evaporation" but then you will waste more money in FC.

P.S. TS never add 1 more (Which is obviously from a fwded e-mail laugh.gif) : Use only RON92 petrol
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ehh.. if ur ecu is tuned to used ron 97 petrol n u go use ron 92,
u'r pretty screwed wei sweat.gif
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even mesin rumput pun not using ron 92 de....
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well cars like porsche, fat-la-ri, scoobies, evos n all, even newer protons i tink is tuned to run ron 97.

no meh?
QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 05:10 PM)
even mesin rumput pun not using ron 92 de....
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actually not sure with ron 92 and ron 97...hehe...
ron 92 mintak meran n ron 97 minyak hijau...izzit true??
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ehh.. coloring is for them to differentiate only kua.

i tink not standard all is the same color code.

jst for reference only.

my gear oil is blue sweat.gif
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Honestly, when i'm pump early in the morning, i noticed some stations would have heated their underground tanks as i notice the filling nozzle felt warm when petrol being flowing in while other older stations do not have this feature...there other threads in this forum that talk about this issue where in summary, all station dealers would have to some temperature compensation metering device in order to avoid losses due to expanding / contracting fuel..... cool2.gif
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the dealer is more happy to see more business in the hot noon sweat.gif
lots of $$$ n less fuel going out tongue.gif
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QUOTE(moon* @ Apr 28 2008, 05:25 PM)
the dealer is more happy to see more business in the hot noon sweat.gif
lots of $$$ n less fuel going out tongue.gif
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bcos of that we must filling fuel in the morning or at night..
lots of fuel n less $$$... brows.gif
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kinda like a repost~...has been passing this email yrs ago~
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anyway, thanks for the information
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ Apr 28 2008, 05:30 PM)
kinda like a repost~...has been passing this email yrs ago~
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this post is for who doesnt know about this before... cool2.gif
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i dunno why but my petrol actually finish up faster when i pump slow, compared to pump fast
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QUOTE(LaiN87 @ Apr 28 2008, 04:41 PM)
Won't it be heavier for the car for it to be between full and half full? Thus increasing car load? Thus increase FC? It might be saving a few cents by "minimizing evaporation" but then you will waste more money in FC.

P.S. TS never add 1 more (Which is obviously from a fwded e-mail  laugh.gif) : Use only RON92 petrol
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how heavy is heavy? when ur car is around half tank and since the inside of the fuel tank is vacumm, the fuel and the atmosphere will create a equilibrium between liquid fuel and gas smile.gif
the remaining fuel will become gas to make up the open space and there u go, lesser fuel for engine combustion.. i dont know how to explain properly sorry u can read more on Le Chatelier's principle
besides, i tried 0~100 same road same weather.. the only diffrence is full tank and 1/4 tank.. almost no significant changes on the sprint time

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 28 2008, 05:42 PM)
how heavy is heavy? when ur car is around half tank and since the inside of the fuel tank is vacumm, the fuel and the atmosphere will create a equilibrium between liquid fuel and gas smile.gif
the remaining fuel will become gas to make up the open space.. i dont know how to explain properly sorry u can read more on Le Chatelier's principle
besides, i tried 0~100 same road same weather.. the only diffrence is full tank and 1/4 tank.. almost no significant changes on the sprint time
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wah...good information dude... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 05:45 PM)
wah...good information dude... thumbup.gif
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i dont say my theory will be 100% correct.. i stand to be corrected smile.gif
btw, when u pump full tank and use until almost kosong, when u open the fuel cap u can feel tonnes of gas rushing out
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i always feel tat. tongue.gif

eeh..u'r saying in ur previous statement tat.. a full tank of fuel in a car going uphill n half tank of fuel going uphill is the same?

QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Apr 28 2008, 05:55 PM)
i dont say my theory will be 100% correct.. i stand to be corrected smile.gif
btw, when u pump full tank and use until almost kosong, when u open the fuel cap u can feel tonnes of gas rushing out
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QUOTE(moon* @ Apr 28 2008, 05:57 PM)
i always feel tat. tongue.gif

eeh..u'r saying in ur previous statement tat.. a full tank of fuel in a car going uphill n half tank of fuel going uphill is the same?
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uphill not too sure.. i was talking about 0~100 sprint smile.gif
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QUOTE(bambambam @ Apr 28 2008, 04:10 PM)
Cool. Maybe I'll put a thermometer in my fuel tank.
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tank also want this and that
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will try it out , thanks for sharing smile.gif

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great info.. wil try tat out.. thx for sharin.. smile.gif
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how about pull the nozzle to the opposite side of your car ?..i mean the nozzle is not side by side to the fuel tank...meaning the hose of the pump is stretch out..because if we pump side by side..there still some fuel left in the hose since it makes a U shape when we pump side by side..

correct ah?
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Apr 28 2008, 03:47 PM)
dun be stupid  sweat.gif .all those fuel at underground are maintain on the same temperature at night or day....is impossible for da tanks to rise temperature bro
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you ar corect temperature ar all the same no matter morning day or night, the tank will more then 50m underground, so it is all the same,
let say take a example water at the (perigi) dono english call what (well) is it? the water is cold not warm icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(herojack41 @ Apr 28 2008, 03:57 PM)
if it not far...wangsa maju already kaboom...it got 2 station sticked together
yes....outside temperature....there is some special thing which is monitor da temperature 1....if it not..kaboom already...i wont be here anymore. + most of this trick i know very very long time already...and my dad did tested...no special at all.

most of this tricks were created by some fool at website,and alot of people thinks it is real  doh.gif
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yah some fool is fooling around with this stuff shakehead.gif

QUOTE(CyborgR @ Apr 28 2008, 04:03 PM)
ya people are just sharing info, u dont like it can just ignore..don be a dumb flamer
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dont call ppl dumb, we just share out the information as well. also up to you all want to trust or not. it is easy why dont test it your self and see the result thumbup.gif

QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 05:15 PM)
actually not sure with ron 92 and ron 97...hehe...
ron 92 mintak meran n ron 97 minyak hijau...izzit true??
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ron 92 and ron 97 original colour all same only add colour to diffrent it icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(alamdamai1 @ Apr 28 2008, 05:20 PM)
Honestly, when i'm pump early in the morning, i noticed some stations would have heated their underground tanks as i notice the filling nozzle felt warm when petrol being flowing in while other older stations do not have this feature...there other threads in this forum that talk about this issue where in summary, all station dealers would have to some temperature compensation metering device in order to avoid losses due to expanding / contracting fuel.....  cool2.gif
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is it? i never hear of it got temperature compensation metering device rclxub.gif , Petrol is flamerble so it is imposible to have one of that.
is it b4 you pum got ppl use that pum b4, new station sure more pll go lo, old station less ppl go tongue.gif (P.s: just a joke ok)

QUOTE(PureGeek @ Apr 28 2008, 05:41 PM)
i dunno why but my petrol actually finish up faster when i pump slow, compared to pump fast
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because slow deliver will make the petrol gas went out easy, this is theory also. wub.gif
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I tried to fill petrol in the early morning but i don't feel the diff! sad.gif
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QUOTE(amir77 @ Apr 28 2008, 07:48 PM)
how about pull the nozzle to the opposite side of your car ?..i mean the nozzle is not side by side to the fuel tank...meaning the hose of the pump is stretch out..because if we pump side by side..there still some fuel left in the hose since it makes a U shape when we pump side by side..

correct ah?
hehe
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not correct. U will take the left over from previous person.
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the best way to try is to make experiment.

use a measurement jug to measure. pump when its the coolest temperature of the day and the hottest temperature of the day using a legal container for a liter of fuel. then pour into measurement jug and see the difference.
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QUOTE(andychan @ Apr 28 2008, 08:39 PM)
is it? i never hear of it got temperature compensation metering device  rclxub.gif , Petrol is flamerble so it is imposible to have one of that.
is it b4 you pum got ppl use that pum b4, new station sure more pll go lo, old station less ppl go tongue.gif (P.s: just a joke ok)
because slow deliver will make the petrol gas went out easy, this is theory also. wub.gif
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ehhh Bro....all flowing liquid, either flammable or non-flammable, combustible or non-combustible, can be metered...this is what we see at the petrol dispenser booth display screen...the electronic flow meter would automatically detect if density of the liquid changes when temperature rises and otherwise....of course, this is what i know in theorylah... blush.gif
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yea u r rite bro...all can be metered...slow deliver will make less petrol gas went out..
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this is so not true...my friend own a petrol station...then he asked me to check it by my self...but no such thing as hoses for vapour return...just one way...and the pipe got only one...inside or outside...so where actually is the vapour return pipe?..

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WHEN YOU'RE FILLING UP, DO NOT SQUEEZE THE
TRIGGER OF THE NOZZLE TO A FAST MODE. If you look,
you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low,
middle, and high. In slow mode, you should be pumping on
low speed, thereby minimizing the vapours that are
created, while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump
have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate,
some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour.
Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the
underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for
your money.

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QUOTE(dek_ang @ Apr 28 2008, 03:32 PM)
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TIPS IS TO FILL UP
WHEN YOUR TANK IS HALF FULL.
The reason for this is,
the more fuel you have in your tank, the less air occupying
its empty space. Petrol evaporates faster than you can
imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating
roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol
and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.

Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that
we load is temperature compensated, so that every litre is
actually the exact amount.
if the car cary more petrol, wont it burn more fuel due to added weight ? so the savings from this can be neglected ? hmm.gif
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maybe that thoery not logic and imposibble...but why not u all just try first...if tak berkesan just forget it la...if berkesan u all aslo can save what...
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Thanks a lot for the useful tips! Will definitely follow these few simple rules!
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bullshit

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I will try one more time but i don't really think it is effective. biggrin.gif
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I'll try the speed of refuelling to lowest..
Thanks TS for the great info,will post feedback..
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This morning i heard from radio that FOMCA advice pumping petrol in the morning, pump at the lowest speed n try not to pump petrol when you see the oil tanker refilling the petrol station tank becos a lot of stain or rust will be floating inside, so when you pump petrol its a bit dirty.
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QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ May 3 2008, 10:12 AM)
bullshit
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I'll try the speed of refuelling to lowest..
Thanks TS for the great info,will post feedback..
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I suggest you don't try that when there's a lot of people waiting in line. It takes a seriously long time just to fill up 60 bucks for me. Gonna try an alternative - set to high first then change to low when near my usual full tank amount.
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that is how to filling ur feul...not like that singaporean at other tread...hehe...
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I do noticed that I get a bit of extra mileage when I pump at half tank or before it hits half tank... once the meter hits half tank and below, it seems to go down pretty fast compared to from full to half tank. Not sure if it's really because of the evaporation or something else regarding the indicator.
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i try to pump full tank... my average FC was 17km/L...
used the same petrol station and same pump machines... but the FC no consistent as well...

1st pump: speed fast @ 19km/L
2nd pump: speed slow @ 15km/L
3rd pump: speed slow @ 16km/L

between 1st and 2nd pump, maybe 1st pump no full tank yet and caused 2nd pump pumped more fuel for full tank...
but detection sensor problem happened on the same pump machine? doh.gif

3rd pump used slow speed same as 2nd pump, but no differences found... dry.gif
maybe lesser to travel on highway recently...
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tht's great suggesting.

going to try it soon.
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great info. thanx for sharing.
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i once tried pumping slowly but saw no noticeable diff in mileage... but, anyway i still pump with the slowest speed
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im pretty sure the pump at morning/night makes sense, just not sure if the lower pump would show effect will try. On the half tank thingy, i think the additional weight and hassle to make 2 trips to petrol station instead cos u refill half everytime does not worth the effect.
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i think there must be something different between the faster and slower pump, or else these different speed setting is just for fun ??? or just for the people who got plenty time to spend and the people who are rushing??? i don't think so...
besides, do anyone thinks before how accurate is the meter calculate which got different speeds??
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I wonder though.. what about those who always pump full?? got any significant advantages / disadvantages??
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QUOTE(Satria-Craze @ May 8 2008, 03:21 AM)
I wonder though.. what about those who always pump full?? got any significant advantages / disadvantages??
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since i got credit card, i always pump full tank...
purposely want to monitor my car FC tank by tank...
about adv & disadv, dont have significant affect for me... tongue.gif
advantages: less visit petrol station, no need spend more time on petrol station frequently
disadvantages: car heavier, required for heavy petrol pedal to push another 10-20kg fuel in car...
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this myth doesn't work in malaysia .

the temp is not really differ much between day and nigth because the petrol tank is stored so deep inside . meanwhile , one of the reason the tank is deep in the ground is to prevent explosion , incase of fire , it will be hidden . even if it explode , the force will be dampened a bit.


Added on May 9, 2008, 12:22 amtry this , pump 1 liter of petrol fast into one bottle .
pump 1 liter of petrol slow into one bottle , see which one has the better amount .

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the tips as mentioned by TS was already told too by a fren of mine. he works as a gas station attendant and i think he got the same info from his boss.
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6 Gas-Saving Myths

1. Fill Your Tank in the Morning
2. Change Your Air Filter
3. Use Premium Fuel
4. Pump Up Your Tires
5. To A/C or Not A/C
6. Bolt-Ons and Pour-Ins

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Most practical way of saving cash on fuel -> stop flooring the gas pedal.
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Fuel subsidy revamp on the cards

The rising costs of fuel have put more pressure on the Government to come up with a fair and efficient solution to ease the burden of the rakyat and relieve the strain on its coffers.

ALL eyes are on the Government's struggle to find a more equitable and efficient solution to the prickly issue of fuel subsidies.

This year's fuel subsidy is expected to hit a whopping RM45bil – even higher than the annual allocation of RM40bil under the Ninth Malaysia Plan – based on oil prices of between US$100 and US$120 a barrel.

Of the total, subsidies for petrol, diesel and natural gas will be RM18bil, tax foregone RM7bil and the national oil company's gas subsidy RM20mil.

Oil price is currently trading above US$120 per barrel. Goldman Sachs recently predicted that oil prices could hit US$200 a barrel within two years.

The Government is said to be looking at two-tier pricing for petrol and diesel, with subsidies going to deserving consumers especially those in the lower-income groups and priority industries/sectors such as public transportation and agriculture/fishery.

Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Minister Datuk Shahrir Samad has been pretty vocal on the issue as evidenced by the many news reports on the various proposals that are being considered.

These include replacing the current grades of petroleum with two new grades, RON 95 and RON 99, whereby the latter grade targeted at high-end vehicles would not be subsidised as much as the former, the use of the MyKad and even the introduction of a new card for more efficient subsidy allocation in fuel purchase.

To show that the Government means business, Shahrir has announced that a decision on new diesel prices could be out as early as next month followed by a revamp of the petrol subsidy scheme. The news is welcomed by those who view the current subsidy scheme as an inefficient way to allocate resources but received with apprehension by the public as many see it as adding to their financial burden.

“From the way things are going, it looks like a restructuring of fuel subsidies is inevitable. It is just a matter of time,” an industry expert said.

He reckoned that the unsubsidised market price of petrol should be about RM3.10 per litre and diesel at RM2.70 per litre.

With the current spiral in food prices, inflation and slowdown in the global economy, many feel the time may not be right for any reduction in fuel subsidy as the rakyat, especially the lower-income group would suffer.

This makes it even more imperative for the Government to come up with a solution that will benefit all involved if a restructuring of fuel subsidies takes place.

An economist believes a revamp of the fuel subsidy scheme may not be such a bad thing if the Government is able to implement a system that is:-

·efficient by ensuring that the subsidies are targeted at the right group of people namely the lower-income groups;

·equitable in that the quantum will not result in additional burden for the people especially the targeted groups;


able to curb/reduce leakages;
practical and consumer friendly and
secure, easy to implement and manage

“The Government has been under more pressure over the fuel subsidy issue recently as rising costs have eroded the people's income and its own funds.

“This has also opened many people's eyes to the abuses the current scheme is subjected to resulting in a waste of resources,” the economist said.

The bone of contention is the fact that the blanket subsidy scheme currently benefits everyone in the same quantum – even those who are extremely rich.

According to an article in China Press quoting sources from the Road Transport Department, there are 30 rich men in the country who own 100 to 700 cars each for collection purposes. About 78,000 drivers each have five cars, while 1,589 drivers possess 10 cars each.

“It does not look like these people need fuel subsidies or any subsidies for that matter but they are still benefiting from the current scheme,” the economist said.

The current scheme also encourages wastage and leakages in the form of foreigners such as Singaporeans and Thais buying fuel at subsidised prices as well as smuggling of the commodity by unscrupulous traders.

An example of leakages in the scheme is the diesel subsidy for local fishermen.

Data from the Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Ministry showed that the rise in the sale of diesel to local fishermen did not commensurate with the volume of fish caught thus indicating the existence of smuggling activities.

In addition, the Anti-Corruption Agency is currently probing a suspected misuse of subsidised diesel for fishermen which amount to 18 million litres per month in Sabah.

“The leakages will be more widespread the larger the difference between the market and subsidised prices,” the economist said.

Nevertheless, a hue and cry is to be expected whatever the outcome.

As an industry observer puts it: “In this case it is impossible to please everyone. The Government will need to strike the right balance on this complicated issue.”

Perhaps the restructuring of the fuel subsidy scheme could then be followed by a long-term plan to reduce the country's dependence on oil.

Malaysian Institute of Economic Research executive director Prof Datuk Dr Mohd Ariff Abdul Kareem stressed the urgency of looking for alternative sources of energy and technology that would help reduce fuel consumption.

“It is also important to liberalise trade and break down any monopolies that can drive up prices,” he said.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...68&sec=business
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spent 15 minutes @ mobil ss14 pumping in petrol..really very slow ...
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spent 15 minutes @ mobil ss14 pumping in petrol..really very slow ...
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ePetrol solution for fuel subsidy

USING the MyKad at the petrol kiosk could become a reality soon if ePetrol Holdings Sdn Bhd's fuel subsidy management solution is used to revamp the country's fuel subsidy scheme.

ePetrol Holdings, established in 2003, is led by a team of industry experts and leaders from the oil and gas, payment, banking and smart-card industries.

Executive vice-president Jeff Perera said the ePetrol system – with debit, credit or prepaid payment services – would enable the MyKad to be used to pay for fuel purchases at petrol stations nationwide.

“There is no necessity to carry another card to enjoy any fuel subsidy as all Malaysians carry a MyKad with identification and payment capabilities,” he told StarBiz at the World Congress on Information Technology 2008 (WCIT) in Kuala Lumpur recently.

Perera said the ePetrol fuel subsidy management module was an integrated and centralised purchasing and payment system between consumers, oil companies, banks and the Government.

“The platform has the capability and flexibility to accept any set of rules to effectively monitor, manage and control fuel subsidies down to the individual consumer level,” he said.

The benefits of the system include:

·Automatically identifying consumers entitled to fuel subsidies;

·Managing the amount of subsidies to be allocated to each consumer;

·Controlling the frequency of the subsidy to be provided – weekly, monthly and so forth; and

·Managing how the subsidy is provided (in a lump sum or as a percentage of the purchase).

The ePetrol system, which was showcased by the Multimedia Development Corp and National Registration Department at the WCIT, garnered much attention from the public.

Even Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was said to be suitably impressed when shown a short demonstration of the system by ePetrol Holdings' owners, RHB Group founder Tan Sri Rashid Hussain and Dialog Group Bhd chairman and group managing director Ngau Boon Keat, when he visited the booth.

Perera said the system would enable the Government to lift price controls and let market forces determine the pump price of fuel and still be able to selectively provide fuel subsidy benefits only to deserving consumers.

As the scheme benefited only MyKad-holders, subsidies for non-Malaysians and cross-border fuel smuggling would also be reduced, he added.

“This can result in potential savings of billions of ringgit per annum, which can be channelled toward generating greater economic growth and development,” he said.

In fact, Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Minister Shahrir Samad was quoted in a recent report that subsidised fuel in the future could be available only to Malaysians carrying their microchip-based national identity cards.

Moreover, Perera said, multinational oil companies had endorsed the system as technologically compatible with their retail station information technology systems; thus no additional substantial capital investment would be necessary.

“The ePetrol system is now available and ready to go. It can be deployed countrywide to consumers as they already carry a MyKad.

“We will undertake all technology, infrastructure and development investments. Therefore, no Government funding is needed,” he said.

The subsidy management scheme could also be extended to other controlled items such as natural gas, liquefied petroleum gas, cooking oil, rice, flour and sugar.

An industry expert pointed out that the restructuring of the fuel subsidy system must be done to improve the social economic welfare of the rakyat.

“That should be its main aim; otherwise it defeats the purpose. The ePetrol system looks like a practical and efficient system, but whether it will work to expectations is left to be seen.

“If the ePetrol system is chosen, the onus is on the Government to come up with a great set of criteria that ensures the right group of people get the right amount of subsidies as well as plug leakages and wastage,” he said.

He added that the ePetrol system would also help boost the usage of the MyKad, deemed a half-a-billion ringgit white elephant as it has not lived up to its potential in terms of multi-purpose usage.

Besides the MyKad solution, the Government is said to be considering a proposal to replace the existing octane ratings of petrol – research octane number (RON) 92 and 97 – with RON 95 and 99.

The Government would then allocate most of the subsidy into the RON 95 used by the lower to medium-income groups while those with high-performance and luxury cars can opt for the more expensive and less-subsidised RON99 fuel.

Another proposal is the fleet card approach which involves issuing authorised cards for vehicle owners from lower income groups.

Eligible citizens who hold the fleet card can fill their vehicles with subsidised fuel. Higher-income citizens would pay rates that more closely reflect market prices.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...56&sec=business

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How ePetrol system works

THE user will need to register and activate his MyKad at a registration kiosk to be eligible for the fuel subsidy.

At the same time, the user can link the MyKad to his bank account so payment can be debited from the account each time a fuel purchase is made. Otherwise, payment can be made via credit card or cash.

The MyKad supports biometric validation, for example, photo and thumbprint identification, and can be PIN-enabled for secure transactions.

The user then inserts his MyKad into the petrol pump reader which reads the MyKad and provides information on the total amount of fuel subsidy the user is entitled to as well as how many litres of each type of fuel the user can pump on the screen.

The user pumps the amount of fuel needed.

Once the transaction is completed, the total price of the fuel purchased, subsidy allocated, subsidy balance and amount payable is automatically calculated and printed on a receipt at the pump.

The fuel subsidy balance is stated on the receipt after each transaction so that the user is aware of the value remaining after each transaction.

ePetrol Holdings Sdn Bhd executive vice-president Jeff Perera said even if the MyKad was borrowed by another user, the borrower would only be able to pump subsidised petrol up to the limit the MyKad owner was eligible for.

“This leakage is small even if anyone is generous enough to share his or her subsidy,” he said.

In the event of MyKad theft or loss, Perera said the owner would need to make a report to ePetrol and his MyKad would be immediately de-linked from the ePetrol system.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...35&sec=business
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Do we need register or something for this efuel thingie ?
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Yeah, max subsidy is RM10 per week, RM6 for daily usage, RM4 for rempiting

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i wonder when will this be implemented and how long it will last if it is "really" being executed. malaysian culture (HHTA)
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QUOTE(stormyz @ May 19 2008, 08:17 AM)
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quick quick... so those kiasu singaporean will not get subsidised


Added on May 26, 2008, 1:25 pmit is our malaysian privilege

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of all the techniques, the only one i dont agree is that slow/ fast mode pumping. it doesnt make any different at all. the vapourisation happens inside the tank. so there is no question whether it will effect anykind of petrol pumped in.

one good thing the thread owner wrote is about the level of spaces in the tank that allows the liquid to vaporised. yes. it is true. the lower ur petrol in ur tank, the bigger space for petrol to vapour.

is that we must fill up the tank to full first, then only top up them for lets say 100km/50km journey?
well, thats sound stupid, is it?


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Larangan jual minyak Jumaat ini

Semua stesen minyak di sempadan negara dilarang menjual petrol dan diesel kepada kenderaan asing berkuatkuasa Jumaat ini.

Menteri perdagangan dalam negeri dan hal ehwal pengguna, Datuk Shahrir Abdul Samad berkata larangan itu membabitkan stesen minyak dalam jarak 30 hingga 50km di kawasan sempadan negara.

Larangan itu membabitkan Perlis, Kedah, utara Perak, Kelantan dan Johor termasuk di Kulai dan Johor Bahru, katanya seperti laporan Bernama.

Beliau memberitahu media di lobi Parlimen selepas menghadiri mesyuarat jawatankuasa menangani inflasi hari ini yang dipengerusikan timbalan perdana menteri Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.

Arahan bertulis mengenai larangan tersebut mengikut Akta Kawalan Bekalan 1961 akan dikeluarkan kepada pengusaha stesen minyak terbabit dalam masa terdekat.

Beliau menambah, larangan itu akan berkuatkuasa sehingga kementerian menentukan sistem pengurusan subsidi yang lebih sesuai.

Sabit kesalahan, pengusaha stesen boleh didenda sehingga RM250,000 atau tiga tahun penjara atau kedua-duanya, manakala individu pula dihukum RM100,000.

Banyak kenderaan dari negara jiran datang membeli diesel dan petrol di stesen minyak di Malaysia selama ini.

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QUOTE(LaiN87 @ Apr 28 2008, 04:41 PM)
Won't it be heavier for the car for it to be between full and half full? Thus increasing car load? Thus increase FC? It might be saving a few cents by "minimizing evaporation" but then you will waste more money in FC.

P.S. TS never add 1 more (Which is obviously from a fwded e-mail  laugh.gif) : Use only RON92 petrol
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RON 92 petrol may be slightly cheaper at the pump, but you might find your consumption higher simply because modern cars have knock sensors that modifies ignition before a knock happens. RON 92 has a higher propensity to cause knocking (being of a lower RON grade) so every time a knock is imminent your ignition timing is automatically adjusted, causing a loss of torque. Bear in mind that air quality, condition of an engine and other variables affect an engine's knock point, so don't be surprised that if your car's manual states RON91 minimum, at certain times of the day (air temperature) it might knock with RON92.

As you know, when you experience a loss of power when you need it like for climbing, what do you do? Tekan more, right?

I've used RON92 quite a bit last time since my car specifies a minimum RON91 rating. However, I found my consumption figures to be worse off compared to using RON97, even after taking into account the minuscule difference in price.

The fuel pump inside the tank relies on fuel to cool it down. Naturally, this will increase the temperature of the fuel in the tank. Notice how, especially after a long distance drive, when you open the fuel cap a forceful hissing sound comes out? That's evaporated fuel leaving your tank for good. The less fuel you have in your tank, the higher its temperature will be, thanks to the hot fuel pump.

All this evaporated fuel can be used by the engine via an evaporation tank that feeds the evap back to the engine's intake system. It's all well and good, but when you have a lot of evap in the fuel tank and the evap tank is already saturated, the rest of it will still be sitting inside your tank. When you pump fuel into a tank full of evap, this excess evap wastefully escapes at the nozzle while the tank gets new liquid fuel. Have you noticed it leaving your tank when pumping fuel? You can actually see it if you look at an angle, like hot air rising from the ground on a hot afternoon. You can also smell it (what we smell at the pump isn't the fuel going in, it's the evaporated fuel *leaving* the tank). Incidentally, it's this evap that is dangerous and highly flammable, where most petrol station accidents happen.

With that said, I'm still able to consistently get pretty decent mileage (between 6-7l/100km) even if I refill at empty, simply because I let the evap get into the evap tank first. I make sure I let whatever remaining fuel in the tank cool down at least an hour or so before heading out to the petrol station. That way, when I open the fuel cap there's hardly any hissing sound or petrol smell when I'm filling up.

But I got even better mileage last time (tuck han mou yeh chou), every 200km I'll fill up. I averaged 5.5 to 6.5l/100km!

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Apr 28 2008, 03:57 PM)
if it not far...wangsa maju already kaboom...it got 2 station sticked together
yes....outside temperature....there is some special thing which is monitor da temperature 1....if it not..kaboom already...i wont be here anymore. + most of this trick i know very very long time already...and my dad did tested...no special at all.

most of this tricks were created by some fool at website,and alot of people thinks it is real  doh.gif
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No you are wrong and your dad might not be bothered bout it.I tested three of the tips and it did wonders for my car.

Originally I filled up petrol during a hot afternoon and my car only manages 125 km max on RM30 petrol but then I read bout this in another website and decided to pump petrol at night or on cold day after a downpour.To my surprise the same RM30 petrol gave me back 160km mileage.Actually I managed to get a bit higher mileage but I compensate it for possible error in the fuel gauge.

Don't say its stupid cause its true.Another I found out is don;'t pump your tank when its almost empty and use a slow speed when using the petrol pump.Saves alot rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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Speaking of evaporation losses, petrol stations suffer losses too. A friend of mine owns a Caltex station and one of his major gripes about the business is evap losses from their storage tanks which happen especially on a hot day.
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All seem to make sense except for filling up a half full tank... I normally run half tank for better power-to-weight ratio. Imagine carrying additional 40-50 litres of fuel. Furthermore the fuel will be "fresher" if filled up regularly.

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i actually tried that fill up low method and i think it works a lil. my half tank usually only reach 200km, but now 220 de but havent reach half tank yet, will experience a few more times n let u guys know !
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QUOTE(terrysoh @ May 28 2008, 10:11 PM)
i actually tried that fill up low method and i think it works a lil. my half tank usually only reach 200km, but now 220 de but havent reach half tank yet, will experience a few more times n let u guys know !
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really???u r using what car bro??
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ooo...long time tak jumpe aaa..
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Fast speed = More pressure, more fuel. No? laugh.gif
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If hi speed but cruising, less throttle pressed = less fuel pressure = less fuel! happy.gif
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QUOTE(Esky @ Jun 3 2008, 08:33 AM)
If hi speed but cruising, less throttle pressed = less fuel pressure = less fuel! happy.gif
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yup yup, i second that
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QUOTE(Esky @ Jun 3 2008, 08:33 AM)
If hi speed but cruising, less throttle pressed = less fuel pressure = less fuel! happy.gif
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Depends on how high speed you're going smile.gif AFAIK the best speeds for cruising would be between 80-90km/h. Anything lower you have to fight gravity and not enuff forward momentum. Anything more and there is wind drag. That's why most manufacturers' claimed fuel consumption figures are quoted at a constant 80 or 90km/h.
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sorry wrong post..

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lol.. at least can save money.. lol quite long the story... hahaha. good story...
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QUOTE(zeist @ Jun 3 2008, 08:52 AM)
Fast speed = More pressure, more fuel. No?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Esky @ Jun 3 2008, 09:33 AM)
If hi speed but cruising, less throttle pressed = less fuel pressure = less fuel! happy.gif
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yes agree wit esky... bcoz turbo produce high tourqe<---izit correct spell?
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ooo... so turbo car don accelerate fast wont consume a lot then... hmmmm... hope evo 11 or 12 will be nicer if they comin out.. like mitsubishi cars
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QUOTE(spideysam @ Jun 29 2008, 07:32 AM)
ooo... so turbo car don accelerate fast wont consume a lot then... hmmmm... hope evo 11 or 12 will be nicer if they comin out.. like mitsubishi cars
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Actually, turbo cars are fuel inefficient when the turbine is not spooling, cos then the engine will be running on low compression. It is very efficient when the turbine generates enough pressure to force air into the engine, thus raising the compression ratio. That's why if a turbocharged car doesn't tekan every now and then, there will be lots of black smog accumulating inside. However, most high performance turbos need to spool up to at least 3k rpm, so in order to drive efficiently you'll have to drive a turbo car above 3k rpm at the highest gear smile.gif Kalau trafik jam, habis la.....

If you're talking about good consumption, you'll need a turbo system that kicks in at low rpms, like the TFSI engine found on the VW Golf GTI and Audi A4.

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jun 30 2008, 06:46 AM)
Actually, turbo cars are fuel inefficient when the turbine is not spooling, cos then the engine will be running on low compression. It is very efficient when the turbine generates enough pressure to force air into the engine, thus raising the compression ratio. That's why if a turbocharged car doesn't tekan every now and then, there will be lots of black smog accumulating inside. However, most high performance turbos need to spool up to at least 3k rpm, so in order to drive efficiently you'll have to drive a turbo car above 3k rpm at the highest gear smile.gif Kalau trafik jam, habis la.....

If you're talking about good consumption, you'll need a turbo system that kicks in at low rpms, like the TFSI engine found on the VW Golf GTI and Audi A4.
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rite dude..just kicks in at low rpm...but if u kicks in high rpm,the petrol will gone like water... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(gregy @ Jun 30 2008, 06:46 AM)
Actually, turbo cars are fuel inefficient when the turbine is not spooling, cos then the engine will be running on low compression. It is very efficient when the turbine generates enough pressure to force air into the engine, thus raising the compression ratio. That's why if a turbocharged car doesn't tekan every now and then, there will be lots of black smog accumulating inside. However, most high performance turbos need to spool up to at least 3k rpm, so in order to drive efficiently you'll have to drive a turbo car above 3k rpm at the highest gear smile.gif Kalau trafik jam, habis la.....

If you're talking about good consumption, you'll need a turbo system that kicks in at low rpms, like the TFSI engine found on the VW Golf GTI and Audi A4.
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strongly agree bro. rclxms.gif
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nice tips to share...

 

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