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r2t2
post Apr 28 2008, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Apr 27 2008, 11:00 PM)
The reason for the different version in this case is because the Malaysian censorship board will not allow a movie where the 'bad guy' gets away with it. In order to please the censorship board, they refilm a different version.
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How about Hollywood / English movies? e.g. Arlington Road ... I didn't watch it in cinema last time.
Definitely Hollywood studios won't refilm a different ending just to please Malaysian censorship board. Remember Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List? When the board wanted to cut some parts (not really about the ending lah, sorry, off-topic), Spielberg pull it off Malaysian cinemas; he rather it was shown in full, or none at all.

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post Apr 28 2008, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Apr 28 2008, 11:17 AM)
Sei lor, I don't have any recollection of Ekin talking to his superiors in pt 1-3. I guess the VCDs that I bought last time was the HK version. I do remember seeing Ekin talking to his superior in either pt4 or pt5 tho and yes.. I bought that in Speedy.

Talking bout Arlington Road - it's been ages since I last watched it. Thanks for reminding me of the movie.

Censorship due to 'violence'/'gore' is one thing - refilming the ending is another. Kinda spoils the movie, IMO.
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Well, I remember Arlington Road while watching it on rented VHS (gasp!) coz my sister didn't like the ending .. she said how can the bad guys get away with it, not fair lah .. hahah .. but I think it's a great movie to think about.

Yeap, alternate endings in order to be politically (or is it legally) correct and to please the authority kinda undermined the filmmakers' creativity. Alternate endings on DVDs due to director's and studio creative difference, that's ok lah.
Like that, The Bank Job sure won't be screened here lah, even if the 18-SX scenes were censored. brows.gif

So far, it's like HK movies are the 'victims' - Y&D 1, IA 1, SPL, ...anymore? How about other triads movies, Election (was it shown in local cinemas?)? Jiang Hu leh? (The 'real' bad guys got away with it oso woh ... they should've made Andy & Jacky's characters 'recover' and co-operate with the police to bring down other tai lous, heheh).

I think China also require similar 'goody' endings; I watched Internal Affairs I on China XingKong channel before (Mandarin dubbed), and Andy's character was cuffed in the end too ... and yeah, 1st time I watched Young & Dangerous 1 was on local TV ... the ending was like, what the heck? So abrupt and got discontinuity.

Got double standard or not ah? Ocean Eleven/12/13 kind of Hollywood movies (feel good, not too realistic) can be shown in Malaysian cinemas without modification.

Nice topic, my friends and I often bring this up too when talking about these HK films during lim tehs.
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post Apr 29 2008, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Apr 28 2008, 04:41 PM)
If bad guys can't win, how come The Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith got screened here?
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Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Comedy, Satire, etc. which don't alarm the board are ok kua. Anyway, if Star Wars movies are banned here, imagine the fans' reaction.
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post Apr 29 2008, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Apr 27 2008, 10:23 PM)
Which movie that you watch in cinema that the ending is different from your DVD.
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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Apr 27 2008, 10:48 PM)
Perhaps that was the director's cut/alternate ending on the dvd? It's not our Malaysian cinema's fault if the ending is different, it might be the theatrical version.
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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Apr 29 2008, 09:28 AM)
There's a big difference between an extended version and altogether altering a movie's ending to suit certain countries' requirements.
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Yeap, yeap, a big difference. I was under the impression that TS wanna discuss about the films endings that were altered to suit certain countries e.g. Malaysia, China, due to moral values yawn.gif (like a social thingy vs art dilemma), and not the theatrical version vs. the extended / alternate / director's cut DVD version (akin to business vs art creative difference).

The former type of endings are normally done hastily, too abrupt, got discontinuity, not nice, bleh ... while the latter type is more understandable and is edited better; cinemas prefer shorter movies so that can run more screenings.

The changed endings so that bad guys are caught and justice is served are generally HK triads/underworld movies, are few in-between and are done to appease law authorities so that 'innocent' movie-goers won't be so easily influenced by the 'glamour' of criminal activities. Few of the movies listed so far under this category are Young & Dangerous (Post #4), Infernal Affairs (Post #3), SPL (Post #1) & Full-Time Killer (Post #14).
The directors' cut endings/versions are numerous due to the freedom of space granted by DVDs. Sometimes this can vastly improve the movie (the director's vision is superior!), while sometimes it dragged the movie unneccessarily (the studios/editors are right!). But usually, these are included in the DVD Extra Features -> Deleted Scenes. Example, for me, director's cut version of Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven is much much better than the theatrical version eventhough it runs at nearly 3 hours (extra 45+ minutes added).

QUOTE(hackwire @ Apr 28 2008, 10:01 PM)
Descent have two ending too. cant remember already.
one ending . the heroin got trapped and left to die -british ending
second ending, the heroin manage to escape - american ending.
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Wah .. didn't know that .. must get the British version then .. that's the original director's version kua, since he's the director of Dog Soldiers, a British film also. Maybe the American distributors did a survey test audience, and changed the ending accordingly. This tends to happen, it's business for them - all studios wanted audience positive words of mouth, they care less about critics' reviews.

QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Apr 28 2008, 10:31 PM)
FTK is about two assassins trying to outsmart (or so I think - never really like that movie) each other.
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Heheheh ... same here; wasted talents. Both trying too much to be cool. Takeshi Sorimachi could've done better.


QUOTE(b3rnard7 @ Apr 28 2008, 11:32 PM)
(I) Fearless (extended version) scenes which u dun see in cinema or Malaysia's DVD
- At the ending, Datuk Michelle Yeoh end her speech and there is a reporter ask her opinion tat "do u think the olmpic council will approve her proposal,she said it's up to them"
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Hmmm ... will tell other friends about this. The scenes are included in the main feature or optional deleted scenes in the DVD extended version that you got? Is it the international version after it was released in the US?

QUOTE(obefiend @ Apr 29 2008, 12:14 PM)
how about  Cloverfield also! maybe the malaysian edition dvd will include an exclusive cut where Hud survives and both the lead magically find themselves in hospital. meanwhile the raksasa jahat get blown to smithereens! HAHAHAHA
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Hahaha .. laugh.gif ... no need lah ... our censorship board tak peduli sama ada raksasa-raksasa di galaksi bima sakti ini will watch the movie and get the ideas to do a similar 'terrorist' attack ... somemore in Epal Besar.
Which reminds me, The Siege (Denzel Washington, Annette Bening, Bruce Willis) was banned from Malaysian cinemas last time, rite?
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post May 2 2008, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Apr 29 2008, 07:08 PM)
.... they passed Val Helsing. If I remember correctly, the vampire movie that became the first victim of Msia's censorship board and subsequently banned was Blade II.
Also, I was surprised that several good triad movies from HK were also banned for promoting fighting/using objects to hurt people. As if la the other triad movies don't do that...
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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 1 2008, 11:13 PM)
if vampire movies should be ban here , than all these nonsense movies like
jangan pandang belakang, congkak and pointianak should be ban too..
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Maybe the board is on rotation basis kua? The guideline isn't the end-all-be-all document, IINM, so it's up to the wisdom of the appointed moral upholders.
http://www.moha.gov.my/eng/system/print_de...t&contentid=588

I was kinda surprised Starship Troopers was passed with most if not all the 18-SG scenes uncensored (the 18-SX got cut lah) ... then I pondered,maybe the movie was a good advertisement vehicle for patriotic sentiment (Come join the Army!), good to get youngsters into cinemas to be blown-away by the actions..then maybe wanna experience 1st hand (not the KIA part lah).
300 movie oso like dat ...

QUOTE(b3ta @ Apr 29 2008, 08:25 PM)
remember zoolander....
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Har har har ... Blue-eye-steel something hypnotized to assasinate President of Malaysia (who looked like a Vietnamese .. no offense ...).

QUOTE(b3rnard7 @ Apr 29 2008, 10:47 PM)
r2t2: the Fearless extended version i use BT to DL one biggrin.gif
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IC .. ok, thx, will search 4 it.

QUOTE(cuebiz @ Apr 29 2008, 11:06 PM)
Daredevil is banned in cinema but you can get the DVD legally in local video shop. The reason for the ban is triad activities in the movie but we got The Departed showed in cinema. Our censorship people are moron sometimes.
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They can't changed the BIG title as they did to Super Sapiens a.k.a Hellboy kua? (though now Hellboy 2 title should remain intact ... go figure).
The Departed has 'softer' happier ending compared to Infernal Affairs 1 ... Matt Damon's mole character's karma came around. Read somewhere they're thinking of doing a spin-off/sequel but focusing on Mark Wahlberg's wise-guy character ... anyone?

QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ Apr 29 2008, 07:08 PM)
Anyway, back on track - You guys knew of any other movies with altered ending?
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Ya lor, anymore movie-maniacs could care to share their cinematographic memories? Wat else is out there? (Preferably about those altered ending of movies such as Infernal Affairs, SPL, Y&D, FTK ....)

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post May 7 2008, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(Aeon_Clock @ Apr 29 2008, 01:43 PM)
"I am Legend" also had different ending on the dvd...I think its the same for most movies.
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QUOTE(chibi_tenko @ May 2 2008, 09:54 PM)
I've read somewhere that there is also an alternate ending for I Am Legend - can someone confirm this please? It's not that they show different endings in the US and Malaysia but it's supposedly for the DVD.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Legend_%...lternate_ending

Here's one HK film not yet listed on this thread:-
A friend mentioned that God of Gamblers Returns (賭神2) starring Chow Yun-Fatt, not the one starring Andy Lau & Chow Sing Chi (賭俠), has an altered ending to please the authority as well. In the original HK ending, Chow YF's character kill the bad guy with a samurai sword. In some countries ending, Chow YF's character is caught by the police (maybe after killing the bad guy) and got some character giving advice something like, "Berjudi adalah salah di sisi undang-undang." ... my fren said according to the Malay subtitle ... doh.gif

Anyone care to verify?


Added on May 7, 2008, 1:06 amHere's an American film...classic wan lah..that underwent different ending operation to please their censors during their time ...
1951's "A Streetcar Named Desire"

Excerpt of its reviews :-

In early 1950s' society, "Streetcar" was considered way too risque - even downright sordid - to be presented to moviegoing audiences without severe censorship, which Williams and Kazan were only partly able to fight. One of the most substantial changes made in the adaptation was that at the end of the movie Stanley is punished for his brutality towards Blanche, whereas in the play's cynical original ending he is the only character experiencing no loss at all; indeed seeing his world restored after Blanche's exit. Since Kazan's suggestion to produce two alternate versions (one to please the censors, one in conformity with Williams's play) was rejected, even the 1993 "Original Director's Version" retains its altered, censorship-induced ending. Therefore, the play will forever constitute the last word on Williams's intentions. But even in its censored version this movie was a deserved quadruple Oscar- and multiple other award-winner (albeit undeservedly not for Brando). It has long-since become a true classic: a cinematic gem of first-rate direction and superlative performances throughout.

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