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TSkitsuna
post Apr 22 2008, 07:00 PM, updated 18y ago

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we all know that vista is hardware demanding n high requirement

i like to purpose for people who want to try vista, try Win2008 x86/x64 instead

im already using almost 1 month, no problem
even can play games like nfs prostreet, cod4, cabal online etc.

here got 1 screenshot of it :
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any comment is appreciated

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can grab the free 60 days (max 240 days) trial iso here : http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/cc137123.aspx
no serial key needed
recommended use enterprise edition

to convert from 2008 to ala vista, follow this guide : http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/
follow guide 1-12, plus "Disable Data Execution Prevention" and "Missing gameux.dll"

torrent user also gonna love this os, because no need to tweak tcp/ip & max half-connection like in vista

can use vista drivers for 2008, tested

compatible antivirus, tested:
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post Apr 22 2008, 07:02 PM

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post Apr 22 2008, 07:05 PM

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so far now i am using same os
n my rig still single core...
but can play game w/o lagging ..
da os is 64bit n faster no high requpments. compare to vista...

dis my rig
amd64 3200 939 oc 2.6ghz
mobo abit fatal1ty an8
ram 1gb.. corsair tccd
psu mushkin 580ap
gc his 3870 iceq3 turbo

no lag n very smooth for who got low end requipments
also me lor rclxms.gif

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post Apr 22 2008, 07:20 PM

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Microsoft is currently providing a 60 days trial for download.
Get it here for those who would like to try it out.
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post Apr 22 2008, 07:39 PM

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just about to point it out on where to get them
thanks J.J

it is 60 days but can expand to 240 days max

on 2008, many semak (not smart, pun intended tongue.gif ) stuff like sidebar, windows media player, aero theme, etc. are not available by default
need to install or enable them
not to mention u can get server function too biggrin.gif
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post Apr 22 2008, 07:52 PM

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lol bro you miss a work lar is windows server 2008 not windows 2008 is more to server use
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post Apr 22 2008, 07:57 PM

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yup, it is windows server 2008 in 1st place
i intended put windows 2008 because many the server function i disable, but enable vista function.

you can enable server function later on

currently this os becomes my main use for gaming n torrent
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hmm the difference with windows server ppl is mainly the 32bit limitation on ram is remove..
so u can run 4-8gb .. recognized..

thats the big difference..

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post Apr 22 2008, 09:52 PM

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So, will it run faster than any other OS ?
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post Apr 22 2008, 10:50 PM

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faster then vista currently
xp will be ever fastest, but lack dx10/10.1, x64 drivers etc.

x64 also helps work faster, but only apply for 64bit system
already tried games with dx10.1 gc, the graphics makes me goes droolin drool.gif
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post Apr 23 2008, 12:30 AM

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Server OSes are not designed for pure speed, generally. More for reliability. And you'll probably have different compatibility issues from Vista. Still, each to his own.

I wonder about the price though.
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post Apr 23 2008, 12:51 AM

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Server OS such as Win Server 2003 and Win Server 2008 are intended for server computers such as web server, database server, etc. By default, it should be configured to prioritize background processes, which is how servers run!

It is better for end users to stay with a desktop OS such as XP, Vista, or the upcoming version codenamed Windows 7 (due in 2009/10)
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post Apr 23 2008, 06:40 AM

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about compatibility, 2008 using the same driver as vista
and certain software like antivirus etc. you need to use server version, home/personal version cannot be install
and the price, you can find here

yes, by default it prioritize background processes
but you can change the priority to program

for normal users, you may not like to go through all the tweaking to get all the vista function back
but for os adventures who like to try around, you wont regret it

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post Apr 23 2008, 08:29 AM

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Quote from http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008...us/pricing.aspx

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im using Windows XP SP3, its waaaaaaaaay faster than vista but it lacks DX10 sad.gif
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i saw ur pic, is it mostly like vista? or any diff from vista.. im using ultimate & i fell my rig lack of 'power'
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post Apr 23 2008, 06:23 PM

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the basic system/gui is almost the same, just need to get use
by default it will use classic theme

to convert from 2008 to vista, follow this guide : http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/
all you need to follow guide 1-12, plus "Disable Data Execution Prevention" and "Missing gameux.dll"

can see full conversion here : http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpres...08-workstation/

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post Apr 23 2008, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Apr 23 2008, 08:29 AM)
Quote from http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008...us/pricing.aspx
im using Windows XP SP3, its waaaaaaaaay faster than vista but it lacks DX10 sad.gif
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Hey mate, Windows XP SP3 released liao meh? If not where did u manage to download it? Can share your link?
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QUOTE(siren @ Apr 23 2008, 08:36 PM)
Hey mate, Windows XP SP3 released liao meh? If not where did u manage to download it? Can share your link?
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It's release candidate 2 . final version will be release in 29/4.
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post Apr 24 2008, 05:41 PM

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add some tested compatible softwares & games list

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post Apr 24 2008, 06:14 PM

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btw, what make windows server 2008 faster than vista? izzit lack of the sidebar, aero etc stuff result to less resources usage?

and how u feel the differences ? coz i see its min requirement.. just similar to vista except graphics card
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008...quirements.aspx

mind to clarify?

p/s. im not vista user

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post Apr 24 2008, 07:14 PM

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since it is built on the same engine as vista, requirement is also almost the same

most likely lighter is correct word rather than faster
but lighter os also tends to get faster result
since lack of the sidebar, aero etc stuff result to less resources usage

just tested on my moms system, no problem like lagging/slow with winserv2008ee x64
amd sempron 3800+ 2.2ghz
1.5gb ddr2 pc533
geforce igp 6150se

tonight gonna test on other set of system with winserv2008ee x64
intel p4 630 3ghz
1gb ddr pc400
geforce 4mx

words sometimes dont give good answer
need to try 1st to experience it
thats what happen to evil oracle
1st he very skeptic with 2008
but after using it because of desperate cannot use his 3870, he fall for the os, n lack of sleep for 2 days because of it, lol

also, torrent user also gonna love this os, because no need to tweak tcp/ip & max half-connection like in vista

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Anybody here knows when this will be released? I am interested in trying it but my internet connection not stable.
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post Apr 25 2008, 12:16 PM

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out of topic

QUOTE(freddy manson @ Apr 23 2008, 08:29 AM)
im using Windows XP SP3, its waaaaaaaaay faster than vista but it lacks DX10 sad.gif
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Im using DX10 with no problem on XP
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QUOTE(siren @ Apr 23 2008, 07:36 PM)
Hey mate, Windows XP SP3 released liao meh? If not where did u manage to download it? Can share your link?
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the latest XP SP3 release

Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 5512 RTM link..its final release

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help... Unknown Device Identifier doesn't run under Win Server 2008 x64 ler... wth? the website stated that it is supported under this OS... duuuhh....

Error: Privileged instruction!

any help out there? im trying hard to find a driver for my sb live value & unfortunately, creative deemed it an 'enf of service life" product. ha... so much support for a legendary sound card... well, thx but no thx no more creative products for me...

quote: "Please note that the product you have selected has been classified as "End of Service Life""

been trying the hacked drivers all over the net without much success. guess i have to bear the "no ummphhh" built-in hi def audio for the time being until i sort things out...

cheers


Added on April 26, 2008, 7:33 amsorry guys to barge in, but winsvr2008entx64 rox hehe... but for the lack of genuine x64 drivers, it's gonna be in the same predicament as in vista x64 too, until more hw vendors put effort into coming up wif 64bit drivers

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Everyone seem to forget that this is server version is not for home user. Inside server is there any that uses sound card beside integrated? The drivers is quite mature for the fact that server hardware are mostly integrated. The only drawback in server for my case is blue tooth support. Other than that everything run perfectly fine. Even though i have unsupported legacy sound driver but manage to install it using windowsXP x64 version.

Installed on :

Intel E6300
1GB Ram DDR400
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro


Acer 5920G
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2GB DDR2 667
Geforce 8600M GT

Verdict : After using for exactly 1 month my desktop required another 1GB of ram, startup slow.

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post Apr 26 2008, 08:37 AM

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@binjai
creative only support driver from audigy to latest x-fi on vista/2008

@Spiv
evil oracle currently using creative x-fi xtreme audio on 2008 w/o any problem


i manage to install 2008 on the p4 system w/o any major problem except gf4 dont have any driver for vista
using VIA P4M800 chipset mobo btw


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im a home user as well as a sw developer, so a toned down server os will serve my purpose very well. in fact, i can do developments, and still continue my home user thingies... sorta 2-in-1 convenience. fyi, all the drivers r in place & working fine too, well except the sb live value ler. i wont fork out my hard earned moolah just to be able to use my sound card in a new os, wud u? maybe u wud, but i dont see why coz the sc is working blardy well in an xp machine... granted not every os will be supported by all sound cards, but this is the "OS" we're talking 'bout. subtle coercion here to part wif ur monies? hehe...

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Added on April 26, 2008, 10:23 amkitsuna... thx for da info. well aware of it...

cheers


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windows server 2008 wont run 3dmark vantage, so vista still better tongue.gif
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I don't think many ppl will shift to Win Server 2008 cause the price is tooooo high lo. Unless you encourage to use something "pirated" which we strongly no recommended here.
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im not encourage ppl to pirate
im just encourage ppl to give 2008 a try, since the os are free to use up almost 8 month max n no serial number needed
then when gonna try something as expensive as rm12k where u can use it freely n legally?

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Apr 25 2008, 12:16 PM)

Im using DX10 with no problem on XP
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by tommorow/the next day of tomorrow, please run 3dmark vantage on ur XP with DX10, and show the result smile.gif
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guys, why i cant install the server 08 eh? it will just stuck at the "enter the cd key" page.. i follow the step and didnt enter any key.. just press next but then it just like searching for sthing.. i woke up this morning and the mouse icon is still searching for sthing.. laugh.gif
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after clicking next button, it should prompt confirmation to enter again or not the serial key

if you OC your system, try to install on stock speed 1st
sometimes the installer quite retarded when OC
after finished install, then you can OC back

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it's all default.. huhu just finished download server 32bit.. will try it now..
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wah.... so daring to try new things

very lazy format this format that lar....

any1 know how to ghost?

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 27 2008, 03:20 PM)
by tommorow/the next day of tomorrow, please run 3dmark vantage on ur XP with DX10, and show the result smile.gif
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can't do...requirement win vista....
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QUOTE(kitsuna @ Apr 22 2008, 07:00 PM)
we all know that vista is hardware demanding n high requirement
Define hardware demanding and high requirements. In the age of RAM price are cheaper than eating out in a fancy restaurant and processor prices are so low that ppl are using it for e-penis, how DEMANDING it is? You can get a vista compatible PC for less than 1k nowadays, complete with Aero.
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Im using DX10 with no problem on XP
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lol, bullshit drivers are still bullshit. It will show DX10, but because it's not really DX10, it's still a bullshit driver.
Besides, DX10 DOES NOT USE the 4.xx.xxxx.xxxxx version. DX10 starts with 6.00.6000.16386.

And honestly, I see no use in using this. For one, the price is a lot higher than regular Vista. And as I have been using the full version (yes my office has bought the full version. Now go whine), there is NO DIFFERENCE at all. nothing. nada. well except of course I have to go to all the crazy shit to enable anythign that already enabled by default on Vista. for server wise, yes this is better as it's really meant for server (the new Command Prompt is awesome) but honestly for day to day usage, it's not as good for a desktop PC. Not to mention that update wise, this will have later updates than Vista as commonly compromises are usually exploited on teh desktop rather than a server.

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Hang on, we ditch Vista for Server 2008? What's the logic in that? You recommend that we all change to Server 2008 just for reliability? Server 2008 is meant for just that, servers. It makes no sense if you say, "LULZ... this OS rox, let's all change" when it clearly isn't meant for the typical home user.

And the moment you said, "Turn on all the Vista functions" it got even more ridiculous. Server 2008 is meant for a server ENVIRONMENT.
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lol, for a USD999 OS, I rather go for the USD349 Vista ultimate. And do tell me, do you reformat every time you're time trial is finished?
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@Aoshi_88
depend on the user perspective
some people do it for the trill
for me, im using windows server since 2003 ver and never turn back again

@linkinstreet
about the hardware, maybe i didnt point it clearly
it was meant for older system that vista can be install on
about the trial, maybe format every 8 months, just stay trial laah rolleyes.gif

its up to people to judge 2008
for me, 2008 is much better than vista

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dude. formatting every 8 month is NEVER reccomended. It will shorten ur HDD life. And besides, Vista ran fine on my old AMD Athlon 1.8GHz 512MB system during my beta testing days. And Server 2008 if you enable all the things that vista has, uses just teh same resources. Been there and done that.
And the fact that server 2008 won't have ALL the functions of the desktop OS. it won't for instance support all the latest DirectX, just the basic functions, while some drivers works, not all are 100% compatible. Media functions are limited. Useful Vista accessories, like Fax & Scan and the Windows Sidebar, are MIA, while some 3rd party tools are just plain broken (Skype newer than 3.2 WILL NEVER WORK on it). Not all menus and preferences are available. The reason that Server 2008 seems (and I do say seems) faster is that by default, Desktop Windows Management on Vista are set at Best Appearance for while Server 2008 is for Best Performance. Setting Vista to Best Performance does makes it faster than Server 2008. Honestly the difference between them are just the services running, with Vista running more services that caters for desktop users. Server 2008 for instance WON'T run these by default.

Computer Browser
Offline Files
Portable Device Enumerator
Program Compatibility Assistant
ReadyBoost
Security Center
SSDP Discovery
Superfetch
UPNP Device Host
Windows Connect
Windows Image Acquisition
Windows Search

And some of those I always use for my desktop computing. Turning them on in Server 2008 slows it down thus I have to disable them as IIS will lag if I don't.
And the main fact remains. It still a server OS, good for IIS, good for multiple penetration connections from client, and is priced to do just that. It's up for ppl to judge the OS, and for me, in consumerism point of view, it's pointless. We don't need virtualisation in a desktop OS, and remember, the 60 day trial period and it's follow up ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY MICROSOFT SUPPORT. So if something do f*** up ur PC, it's bye bye bye. Trial period is never meant to be misused, it's meant for you to test the OS before you buy it.

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hmm.gif, is Kasperky Internet Security 7.0.1.325 isn't compatible with Windows Server 2008 or Vista? unsure.gif
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works on my server IIRC, altho we changed to NOD32 last month
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dude. formatting every 8 month is NEVER reccomended. It will shorten ur HDD life.


If your point is concerning the movement of platter arms/motor parts during reformatting sessions in a hdd, I'm afraid you might have your facts wrong.

How does reformatting shorten a hdd's lifespan? Care to explain?
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it might shorten the hdd life but no one know when..~
by the time the hdd dies sure you`ll have a new one..


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QUOTE(fesick @ May 2 2008, 10:32 PM)
it might shorten the hdd life but no one know when..~
by the time the hdd dies sure you`ll have a new one..
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Another common thing people mistaken for. Formatting a hard drive frequently will not in any way shorten its lifespan. How can formatting -- preparing a filesystem has anything to do with reducing a hdd lifespan?

Anyway, back to the topic. Vista SP1 and Server 2008 share the same kernel. Everything from I/O and memory management should be same in terms of performance. Well, of course, if you take into account the features enabled by default on Vista, you would probably say Vista performs slower.
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how to get full license, will release???
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manage to run 3dmark vantage on 2008

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seems the online database detect 2008 as vista

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Format eveery 8 month? Hmmm hmm
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post May 7 2008, 09:00 AM

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seriously, you got the benchmark/info wrong, TS.

Server line of Windows OS was not meant to play games and run your multimedia applications. It was intended to run Internet and networking application servers. Even though you may run those programs, the functionality was intended for servers, not desktops.

Windows Server 2008 is an enterprise server edition of kernel 6.0.6001 release. It is based on the same kernel as Vista SP1, but it was not intended to run on your desktop. For server line, fancy desktop, multimedia and all those eye candies are not needed to be run on desktop application. This is to reduce the load, so your server applications may have more resources and CPU time.

Anyways, Windows Server 2008 has good install options
1) Server Core - good for minimal Internet and networking server management, intended to run via remote management console or simply command lines. Good for administrators who love simplisitic environment.

2) Full Installation - intended for full-featured Windows server line with Explorer as desktop shell, Microsoft .NET Framework and Management consoles. More services available if full installation is chosen.

Put it in a simple way - Windows Server 2008 is not replacement for Vista.

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post May 7 2008, 09:42 AM

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2008 is 100% not be vista replacement, thats why i put "Vista replacement?"
i just want people to give 2008 a try, its up to them to choose
for me, it is fun to play around with 2008, since the feel almost like linux where you can enable/disable either server service or desktop service

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QUOTE(kitsuna @ May 7 2008, 09:42 AM)
2008 is 100% not be vista replacement, thats why i put "Vista replacement?"
i just want people to give 2008 a try, its up to them to choose
for me, it is fun to play around with 2008, since the feel almost like linux where you can enable/disable either server service or desktop service
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er... you can also disable services in Vista. Just like, exception for Home Basic and Home Premium, which you may download MMC separately or use the command line sc or msconfig (for non-technical users).

Windows Server 2008 isn't Linux, and doesn't feel like Linux-based operating system at all tongue.gif
Still you are too far off about the replacement matter.

Windows Server 2008 was meant to replace Windows Server 2003, not Windows Vista.
Hints:
1) New server OS replaces old server OS
2) New desktop OS replaces old desktop OS

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obviously 2008 is not like linux tongue.gif
just the additional server service that me thinks feel like linux, that also have additional server service
no more than that blush.gif
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QUOTE(kitsuna @ May 7 2008, 09:59 AM)
obviously 2008 is not like linux  tongue.gif 
just the additional server service that me thinks feel like linux, that also have additional server service
no more than that  blush.gif
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clearly you need to learn more, but hey, I am experimenting Windows Server 2008 at home and office.
Try Server Core features, you can learn more about networking and remote maintenance, you know.

For gaming stick to Windows Vista or Windows XP laugh.gif

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im already jammed with 2008 as my main os for gaming n multimedia tongue.gif
if gonna downgrade, most likely go to 2003 at most rolleyes.gif

n thanks for the tips
also but slowly learning the server side function too


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doh.gif tried install 3D Vantage hoping to try the DX10... but halt due to HDD space doh.gif laugh.gif, anyone have any idea how to solve this? i mean install on other partition? unsure.gif
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vista replacement is windows se7en

TS u wanna set up home server meh


Added on May 7, 2008, 2:22 pm
QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 30 2008, 10:33 AM)
dude. formatting every 8 month is NEVER reccomended. It will shorten ur HDD life.
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then the defragmenting, superfetch, massive disk I/O will do equal harm to HDD should ur theory is correct

even the harm is there, but there are many other factors to end a HDD's life prematurely

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QUOTE(sniper69 @ May 7 2008, 12:48 PM)
doh.gif tried install 3D Vantage hoping to try the DX10... but halt due to HDD space doh.gif laugh.gif, anyone have any idea how to solve this? i mean install on other partition? unsure.gif
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install need 2gb, if not mistaken
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QUOTE(kitsuna @ May 7 2008, 03:59 PM)
install need 2gb, if not mistaken
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ok... i deleted the hibernation that cost up to 3GB of space doh.gif laugh.gif

anyway, i tried play games like Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 (latest version), Crysis, Company of Heroes (retail... (you know why...)) will try some other games too as well as 3DVantage

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one issue is, i can't install Kaspersky Internet Security 7.01.325 says that not supported OS doh.gif sad.gif - help me on this...

btw, i can't use any other theme such as black aero and so on? unsure.gif

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since using server, need antivirus for server/business version *cough*cough*

black aero maybe already been strip out, need to be add from external source
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doh.gif, downloaded Kaspersky Internet Security for Server... (it's Kaspersky Workspace Security btw), tried to install but failed... says that the OS not supported doh.gif sad.gif

any idea?
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im not sure about kaspersky on 2008, but i do sure that nod32 antivirus business edition works with 2008
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finally... manage to install them on WinServer 2008 thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(FollowN @ May 2 2008, 02:00 PM)
If your point is concerning the movement of platter arms/motor parts during reformatting sessions in a hdd, I'm afraid you might have your facts wrong.

How does reformatting shorten a hdd's lifespan? Care to explain?
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perhaps the hd manafacturer know about this hmm.gif
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ May 8 2008, 12:16 AM)
finally... manage to install them on WinServer 2008 thumbup.gif

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Windows Server 2008 is NOT meant for home users.

It is for, well, server usage. You can enable Aero, even Media Center on it (by tweaking of course)...

Essentially, it is built upon Vista.

I don't see a reason to use it.

And its 'Windows Server 2008' not 'Windows 2008'...




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dude. formatting every 8 month is NEVER reccomended. It will shorten ur HDD life.
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It is a myth. No such thing. I even wrote an article about it. It is 'a' hard disk process. Its not like little men are scrubbing and scratching on the surface of the hard disk.
Edit : I can give the FULL dose of this explanation...

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Windows Server 2008 is NOT meant for home users.

1. It is for, well, server usage. You can enable Aero, even Media Center on it (by tweaking of course)...

Essentially, it is built upon Vista.

I don't see a reason to use it.

And its 'Windows Server 2008' not 'Windows 2008'...

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2. It is a myth. No such thing. I even wrote an article about it. It is 'a' hard disk process. Its not like little men are scrubbing and scratching on the surface of the hard disk.
Edit : I can give the FULL dose of this explanation...
1. nod.gif, yeap true... the one and only reason why i use WinServer 2008 is because... it's free for download, use it for 60 days with 240 days maximum to try, after that... smile.gif then Vista...

and my POV on WinXP vs Vista (eg: WinServer 2008)(i know... long time debate), but i feel Vista faster...

2. seconded... it's a myth smile.gif
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seems interesting, might as well wanna try it

btw, iirc, windows server does not support any FREEWARE application/ software aite?
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can use free software on 2008
currently using openoffice & gimp in it, no problem

the only major problem is antivirus or other software that have separate desktop or server ver (eg : diskeeper, etc.), need get server ver only

compatible security software list : http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpres...urity-software/

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i manage to get Kaspersky Internet Security 7.01.325, installed but the funny thing is... the key i inserted said that invalid key or check system date doh.gif, i bought it from zhen^wei

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activating using trial key, it's fine now smile.gif, but rugi la... still got 200 days doh.gif

other than that... 3D Vantage ran flawlessly, Winamp, µTorrent 1.8 Beta 10054, Firefox (i even use MozBackup), that i already made it in XP before...

still testing on some apps...

updates:
tried Battlefield 2 games, went well... but too bad, my sound card (Creative Audigy 2 ZS) didn't support hardware rendering doh.gif, guess... for BF2, i'd stick with XP tongue.gif
updates:
Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare running well too, can even update and update PunkBuster

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i manage to get Kaspersky Internet Security 7.01.325, installed but the funny thing is... the key i inserted said that invalid key or check system date doh.gif, i bought it from zhen^wei

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activating using trial key, it's fine now smile.gif, but rugi la... still got 200 days doh.gif

other than that... 3D Vantage ran flawlessly, Winamp, µTorrent 1.8 Beta 10054, Firefox (i even use MozBackup), that i already made it in XP before...

still testing on some apps...

updates:
tried Battlefield 2 games, went well... but too bad, my sound card (Creative Audigy 2 ZS) didn't support hardware rendering doh.gif, guess... for BF2, i'd stick with XP tongue.gif
updates:
Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare running well too, can even update and update PunkBuster
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I don't think you are able to get Audio Acceleration on Win Server 2008 IIANM. They pretty much scaled down the multimedia options(and anything not wanted or unrelated to Server 2008) to increase reliability. But i could be mistaken.
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im not sure if this helps : http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpres...d-acceleration/

maybe Audigy series need extra addon for vista like the X-Fi series called "Creative ALchemy"
"Creative ALchemy" are given freely for X-Fi, but for Audigy you need to buy it if not mistaken

http://www.soundblaster.com/alchemy/

some notes on audio acceleration for vista : http://connect.creativelabs.com/alchemy/default.aspx

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ALchemy for Audigy - Free Edition

Creative has reviewed the discussions concerning ALchemy for Audigy on this forum and others.  A new free version of the ALchemy application for Audigy owners will be released in the week of May 19th, 2008.  Audigy owners that have already purchased ALchemy are being offered a refund of the purchase price of $9.99.  To request a refund, please visit here.  Complete the email form specifying the email address you used to purchase ALchemy For Audigy.  The refund will be made to the credit card that was used for the original purchase.  Please allow 30 days for the refund to take place.  This offer is valid until 30th June 2008.

The ALchemy application is being provided independent of the drivers, as it is not a driver.  The new version of the application will work with both X-Fi and Audigy series products, and we have added additional updates relating to some popular games that behave differently on the X-Fi chipset as compared to the Audigy chipset. We would suggest you download the latest version from Creative.com when it becomes available.  Thanks for all of your support and feedback.

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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ May 9 2008, 12:49 PM)
I don't think you are able to get Audio Acceleration on Win Server 2008 IIANM. They pretty much scaled down the multimedia options(and anything not wanted or unrelated to Server 2008) to increase reliability. But i could be mistaken.
yes... initially the main reason i didn't upgrade to Vista is because of this la... but now, due to our ISP's high latency... so got time play with Windows Server 2008 tongue.gif, installed and voila... BF2 menu said it's on Hardware, but in-game... doh.gif shakehead.gif

QUOTE(kitsuna @ May 9 2008, 01:00 PM)
maybe Audigy series need extra addon for vista like the X-Fi series called "Creative ALchemy"
"Creative ALchemy" are given freely for X-Fi, but for Audigy you need to buy it if not mistaken

http://www.soundblaster.com/alchemy/

some notes on audio acceleration for vista : http://connect.creativelabs.com/alchemy/default.aspx
thanks dude... now i can get it worked on Vista/Server 2008 smile.gif, BF2 now in Hardware brows.gif thumbup.gif

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mellow.gif, where's Crysis's Saved Game huh? unsure.gif

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doh.gif, does anybody else using this good OS? IMO... Windows Server 2008 is a good OS compared to Vista Ultimate which is bloated with other things... with Server 2008, we can even add like Vista Ultimate if you want to... icon_idea.gif

it's not like i'm saying Windows Server 2008 is different from Vista, in fact... i know for a fact that Windows Server 2008 build from Vista, but i think... Windows Server 2008 is faster icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ May 12 2008, 07:36 PM)
doh.gif, does anybody else using this good OS? IMO... Windows Server 2008 is a good OS compared to Vista Ultimate which is bloated with other things... with Server 2008, we can even add like Vista Ultimate if you want to... icon_idea.gif

it's not like i'm saying Windows Server 2008 is different from Vista, in fact... i know for a fact that Windows Server 2008 build from Vista, but i think... Windows Server 2008 is faster icon_idea.gif
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For Bill's sake, this is a server operating system, not mean for daily desktop use.
do no compare what you have for server operating system with a desktop operating system.
Even though it's based on the same exact kernel, the components are different, the usage is different.

Conclusion - Windows Server 2008 is a GOOD SERVER OPERATING SYSTEM, GOD DAMN IT!
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nice to see another satisfied 2008 user biggrin.gif

dont have the chance to install crysis yet, cause the dvd damage
thats what happen if borrow to friends doh.gif

manage to install ATI Tray Tools 1.3.6.1067 Beta on 2008 x64 with some tweaks

@dopodplaya

i dont think it is wrong to use server os for desktop use, even though it not ment for it
at least it serve well, but not quite practical
its like driving a lorry w/o its trailer to pasar instead of riding motorcycle tongue.gif

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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ May 12 2008, 08:29 PM)
once mislead, always mislead. blind leading the blind.
For Bill's sake, this is a server operating system, not mean for daily desktop use.
do no compare what you have for server operating system with a desktop operating system.
Even though it's based on the same exact kernel, the components are different, the usage is different.

Conclusion - Windows Server 2008 is a GOOD SERVER OPERATING SYSTEM, GOD DAMN IT!
smile.gif, yes... it's a server OS, but still can be use as desktop OS as i'm using it now... use Vista as well, but too bad... i'm not into Vista (good for me...)

QUOTE(kitsuna @ May 12 2008, 08:30 PM)
nice to see another satisfied 2008 user  biggrin.gif

dont have the chance to install crysis yet, cause the dvd damage
thats what happen if borrow to friends  doh.gif

manage to install ATI Tray Tools 1.3.6.1067 Beta on 2008 x64 with some tweaks

@dopodplaya

i dont think it is wrong to use server os for desktop use, even though it not ment for it
at least it serve well, but not quite practical
its like driving a lorry w/o its trailer to pasar instead of riding motorcycle  tongue.gif
yeap that's true... about the compatibility, of course there's some but i tell you...

of all game i tried...

Battlefield 2 - got notice dialog "this game built on x86... bla bla bla", (installing on x64) but the installer still run and the game will run and there's an error (again... tongue.gif) about the gameux.dll, but still... can be downloaded from other site or just copy paste from other Vista user smile.gif... then voila... thumbup.gif
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 - no problem
Crysis - no problem
Company of Heroes - no problem
Need For Speed Most Wanted - might say... there's incompatiblity, the game will run, but seems like i can't save a profile doh.gif
Counter Strike Condition Zero - same as Battlefield 2, got gameux.dll missing, but still can be fixed just like fixing BF2 game
Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare - no problem

for those on Audigy series sound card (Audigy, Audigy 2, Audigy 2 ZS (Platinum/Pro), Audigy 2 SE... any Audigy series), there is a way to enable full use of hardware acceleration on Vista/Server... and it's work for me that i'm no need to get other sound card or newer sound card sweat.gif

* updates *

here's what i did so far... now looking for setting up dreamscene... smile.gif

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Wootz, windows activated! blush.gif But on a poor specs rig. doh.gif

Everything are running fine currently except the nvidia control panel which will crash when I don't really know when and also after LAN transferring. I would say performance is on par/faster than XP but not the boot time(after activated theme/sidebar).

Another thing is that, surfing speed is faster and sometimes burst speed occured while downloading!(maybe those are illusion by my mind/self consolation perhaps) laugh.gif
I didn't try gaming thought, as I'm not into it. But one disadvatage, no home/personal anti-virus(popular ones) allowed on windows server. cry.gif

I hate vista before this, but I've to used them when my friends and family need my helps. Oh well, WS2k8 really surprised me. I like it, and I love it even more. rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(kitsuna @ Apr 22 2008, 07:00 PM)
we all know that vista is hardware demanding n high requirement

i like to purpose for people who want to try vista, try Win2008 x86/x64 instead

im already using almost 1 month, no problem
even can play games like nfs prostreet, cod4, cabal online etc.

here got 1 screenshot of it :
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any comment is appreciated

edit:

can grab the free 60 days (max 240 days) trial iso here : http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/cc137123.aspx
no serial key needed
recommended use enterprise edition

to convert from 2008 to ala vista, follow this guide : http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/
follow guide 1-12, plus "Disable Data Execution Prevention" and "Missing gameux.dll"

torrent user also gonna love this os, because no need to tweak tcp/ip & max half-connection like in vista

can use vista drivers for 2008, tested

compatible antivirus, tested:
- nod32 business edition
- avg business (need reconfirmation)

compatible software, tested:
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compatible games, tested:
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it says compatible > http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpres...-entertainment/
never tried myself though

just make sure install dx9, change dep setting, add missing gameux.dll, can follow tutorial page on link given

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QUOTE(duncan880409 @ May 18 2008, 12:03 AM)
i dont care that,,lol, warcraft III (i wan connect to BS3) supported?
from the link given, that game of yours, should be working just fine, otherwise... check the tutorial given in there...

@kitsuna
eh i thought we can't disable that DEP hmm.gif unsure.gif
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wrong word used tongue.gif
since the tutorial also said "disable", it should be change dep setting blush.gif
fixed, lol laugh.gif

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Anyone of you have problem with nvidia driver/software?
Mine will crash when I click certain things.

Faulting application Explorer.EXE, version 6.0.6001.18000, time stamp 0x47918e5d, faulting module nview.dll_unloaded, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x47fda858, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x0676178b, process id 0x1b90, application start time 0x01c8b88bb41d7aaa.

Weird, couldn't find any info on google either.
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no problem here with nforce 15.01 for chipset from nvidia

nview.dll < geforce driver
which driver version do u use?
make sure u install right driver type for 2008 = vista 32bit (since u use 32bit ver)

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QUOTE(kitsuna @ May 18 2008, 11:13 AM)
no problem here with nforce 15.01 for chipset from nvidia

nview.dll < geforce driver
which driver version do u use?
make sure u install right driver type for 2008 = vista 32bit (since u use 32bit ver)
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nforce 15.01? icon_question.gif
I'm using 169.25 WHQL vista 32-bit for my 7600gs. hmm.gif

Well, will try reformat again later if no solutions found. unsure.gif
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nforce for mobo

try geforce latest driver = 175.16
dl from here : http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Drivers/NVIDIA/
since nvidia page under maintenance
make sure uninstall the older driver n use drivercleaner in save-mode to remove any geforce driver traces
also, install dx9 1st b4 install new geforce driver

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Hmm.. I've reformat, was kind of a hassle. Have to call microsoft to get my new installation ID, anyway I'm glad it does not crash randomly now.

Memory limits for windows server is different from workstation os? I've seen this awhile back. But don't understand why. I've upgraded to Enterprise version in case my heart got itchy and buy more ram to slot in. LOL!

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx
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Hmm.. I've reformat, was kind of a hassle. Have to call microsoft to get my new installation ID, anyway I'm glad it does not crash randomly now.

Memory limits for windows server is different from workstation os? I've seen this awhile back. But don't understand why. I've upgraded to Enterprise version in case my heart got itchy and buy more ram to slot in. LOL!

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx
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yup the memory support features are different from different versions of the Windows Server OS.
reading the the details at Microsoft Windows Server website is enough information.
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so win2008 x86 will support up to 4gb ram???unlike vista x86?
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if x86 Enterprise, yes
but never tried yet

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx

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it's been like ±60 days already testing Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Edition and i must say, it's a good OS...

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nice thumbup.gif

played Assassin Creed DX10 & Race Driver GRID on win2k8, no problem icon_rolleyes.gif

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Taken from techarp.com
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Myth #1 : Formatting a hard drive will kill it!

Truth : To put it shortly, formatting your hard drive will NOT reduce its lifespan. Yes, formatting is popularly thought to reduce hard drive's lifespan but that is nothing more than a myth. Formatting is NOT a stressful event for a hard drive. The read/write heads do NOT touch the platter surface, so damage to the platter only occurs if there is any shock to the drive during operation. You can format your hard drive 20 times a day, 365 days a year and it will be no more likely to fail than a hard drive that is not formatted at all.


I never tried a server os. Might as well try this and maybe do some benchmarking brows.gif .

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i have use nt4.0, windows 2000, windows 2003 than windows 2008 for home use. Not all people use pc to play game or any entertaiment. server or not it our choice.

If u like vista go for it. I never try vista but very like windows 2008.


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post Aug 5 2008, 11:58 PM

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Hi, I've installed windows server 2008 enterprise 32bit on my laptop. Everything runs fine and I am able to make it like vista interface.

However, when I run the counter-strike reloaded, it become very lag! I found that I can't use the D3D renderer as it will lags. However, if I use OpenGL renderer, the game will runs smooth. Usually in Windows XP, both D3D or OpenGL renderer will runs smoothly without problem.

So, I have update the display driver, but it does not help. Why ar? Btw, my laptop is using the SiS672 graphic.
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wau, this is a good topic.. thx bro..

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