obviously not. It's sold as a separate product. They clearly mentioned that it's not GT5 when they sold it.

no wonder the trees in the time trial look like it's from 1999! the trees look really low res. I'm glad I switched to MY PSN. I get to see my own country in the flag!

Currently ranked at 337X something, with 1 minute 59.43 seconds. If GRiD was yummy junk food, this game is like caviar, very fine dining food but not everybody can eat. Throttle control and steering control demands a lot of skill from the player. I'm slowly liking this game more and more. Used to not be able to get into this game since I'm more of an arcade racer. This game is nothing but TECHNICAL.

aaanyways, the demo convinced me to get a driving force GT. My first racing wheel ever. Snatched the last one in GH yesterday.

First impressions? All my DS3 skills for racing can be thrown out the window. GRiD suddenly felt like a new game again, even more so considering I was driving in third person view before the wheel. Driving in first person with the wheel can really get your adrenaline pumping! Gila I tell you! Once I get used to the wheel I'll try to improve my pathetic 1'58" on stock for the demo.

thanks for the welcome it was no easy decision to get the wheel. I read pretty much most of the reviews on the first few pages of google before deciding on it. most of the driving assists are still on for me when I race to ease myself into the wheel.

found something really fun (and immature) to do with the wheel. I fired up my copy of gta, drove in first person around liberty city like a COMPLETE JACKASS. heheheheh. sure the wheel is not supported officially, that means no feedback and no pedal (accelerate with x) but still FUNNNNN