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 Mirriam MacWilliams, options trading course

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Harteam
post Aug 23 2011, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(JupiterLeader @ Jun 10 2011, 11:43 AM)
Guys, thanks for sharing your experiences. I attended the preview last night and the fee has reduced to 11.5k. I totally agree with one of your comments where, why do they need to conduct such course if they can make tonnes of money by trading? It is tiring and should they just spend 30mins a day to earn that big buck than trying hard to get students enrolling the course? Anyway, I am glad that I did not sign up yest. else I will have to make a loss of 11.5k before trading...
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Hi everybody! Here's my take and hope it helps. I took the course Oct.2010, traded with 'paper' money from the brokerage site for 5 mths; then went 'live' March this year. Depending on the size of your trades, over time, you DO recoup your 'school fees'. For me, I took a little over 1 month to do that. Then, because I didn't follow the 'exit rules', lost 1/2 of what I made because my trade tanked after a 230% run! Now, I make sure I have my 'trailing stops' in place. We are taught all the fundamentals. It's up to us to follow through and apply them mindfully. That's experience. As traders, we never stop learning.

This post has been edited by Harteam: Aug 23 2011, 11:28 AM
Harteam
post Sep 10 2011, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(doji @ Sep 6 2011, 06:24 PM)
I was the pass student of Mirriam. I truely agreed that they are a profit-oriented course provider. Their objective is to make $$ from teaching rather than from real trading. The evidence are:

- the support only last 6 months and need to pay USD50 per month (USD500 per year) for continue support, though you have already paid a high couse fee of RM12k-18k or SGD5k-6k. They are not interest what happen to you after 6 months. 

- they want you to continue pay for as an active member to use their stocks scanning software - iF you want to achieve to spent only 30 minutes per day to trade as claimed. Without this scanning software, you could end up spending whole Sunday just to locate one or two potential stocks. (Remember there are few thousand stocks on U.S market). So you have to rely on their software for life.

- all the testimonial are out dated. The same old faces old person appear on advertisement repeatly for years. If it is consistently, then the same old faces of person will have new case or story to back them up. But NONE. Just like you buy lottery, sure got one or two person win, this is how the testimonial comes about.

- always project a positive picture of trading (sure win picture). Never talk or teach about trading psychology. So students all have a high win expectation after the course and are not prepared when in a losing game.

- they claim their methods are very easy and simple. But in reality, it is complicated and time consuming as there are many calculation works.

All my team members I have contacted did not even recover their course fee trading over last 4 years.

As some forumer suggested, best to invest the money in books and go to free leason on Internet. Important is you need to commit time to learn and improve your trading skill.
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While I agree that RM11,200 is no small sum, what works for me in the end, is how EFFECTIVE the money was spent. I can say that the 4 short days of learning set me on the road to professional trading. I will try to allay some of the concerns, based on my own experience:

~ In truth, all the analysis, charting, etc. etc. being taught are things that we already learned at Junior High (Secondary) school. They’re NOT rocket science and definitely not as scary as being portrayed.

~ I never went back for any support/revision. When I needed to, I went into their website and looked up the recordings/PDFs of any strategy that had been taught.

~ Therefore, it is NOT NECESSARY to continue ‘going back to school’ (and paying a monthly school fee). The only reason people do that is they initially failed to grasp fully all that was taught.

~ The Stocksfinder is a convenience offered to paid subscribers. It is not a necessity. From your own brokerage site, you should be able to tweak your own basket of stocks to tell yourself which stocks are ‘ripe for trading.’ You’ll know how to do this when you do!

~ After you have ‘test driven’ the rules of trading, strategies and calculations, you’ll know how/when/where/why you can tweak the calculations according to your own needs. As in driving, you must first of all know and obey the rules. These are all for your safety and success! It will not be tedious once these become second nature!

~ Trading is a serious profession which I believe has to be taught INTERACTIVELY. (Do we learn how to drive a car/play a musical instrument by only reading about it?) And if there are any FULL course on trading out there that is also free, please do tell us about it.

~ I can recommend a few psychology-of-trading books for anyone who is interested. This at least is something we don’t need to pay good money for a ‘millionaire trader’ to teach!

~ I was told by a friend who attended a cheaper-by-half course on trading that she actually ended up spending a lot more than I did. The subscription to monthly ‘trigger alerts’ which not always worked was expensive and she ended up losing a lot of money. On top of this, she never learned to trade properly at all.

~ Incidentally, I also met up with a group from 4 years ago who was unsuccessful. Very simply, I told them about a favorite strategy of mine, timing, stock etc. etc. They tried it out and VOILA! It worked for them as well. So now, I have an open pending invite for dinner!

~ I might add I had no previous experience with stocks except the jumping-in-from-hot-tips kind! If I can learn to trade like a professional, a lot of people can!






Harteam
post Sep 11 2011, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 11 2011, 07:18 AM)
Methinks none of us here (ass-u-me-ing ar, my bad if i'm mistaken) disagree that trading OR investing can be turbo-charged via learning interactively with an experienced party. However, i think the case here is whether it is of value at $XX,XXX.XX. With that amount of lump sum, one would definitely extrapolate that the guru is making the majority of $ in coaching/training than actual trading (ie. dont eat enough of own dog food, which is being served to the rest). Mind U - it's not a ONE-to-ONE concentrated and personal thing but a gang-bang school thing. If ONE-to-ONE, it may be worthwhile since it can be personalized and absorption of kung-fu increases, LIKE learning how to drive and playing piano tongue.gif

Just a thought yar - not shooting anyone's preference of spending $xx,xxx.xx for a trading workshop (which seem to be marketed as using leverage as a sure-win thing). My apologies for any toes stubbed  notworthy.gif
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OK, thanks for the thoughts:-

~ They do/did offer one-on-one tutelage on special request after the course. All you need do is ask.

~ Leverage is only one aspect of Options trading. Of equal importance are the strategies. Combining these, you are able to maximize your capital, PLUS protect it 100% at the beginning, then turning this ‘insurance’ into 100% profit.

~ Trading is NEVER a sure-win thing. But it can be learned. Any course on offer is only the door-opener. The rest is up to us ~ to make use of, and improve on the new-found knowledge. THIS is what is being taught ~ to develop the mind-set of the successful trader.

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post Sep 12 2011, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(doji @ Sep 12 2011, 01:05 PM)
I disagreed with some of the points mentioned above.

- Are you sure you still can login and access their website after 6 Months for the recording/PDFs/NewsLetters ??? There will shut you out unless you pay up for the monthly subscription.

- there are different type of people, some are fast learner and some are slow learner. Skill of trading is a live long learning process as mentioned. Eventhough you can grasp fully what was taught, but as markets are very dynamic, the methods you learning in the pass may not work in current market environment.

As evident with this Guru is that, she has to keep invent and change strategy and methods to deal with and adjust to the market condition. So from what are taught in 4-5 years ago with only 4 trading strategies to now more than 10 types. So if you stop getting their support after 6 months, over time your trading results will result from positive to negative because those trading strategies you learn are no-longer valid in the current new market envirnoment. This is my true personal experience. In the beginning you are ok because the methods learn are very fresh, adapt and valid to the market envirnoment at that time. The market is moving, it would not stay put. You need to keep on refresh and learn and upgrade.

- yes, you may have a favorite strategy but again, it may work now but it may not work forever. So you still need to go back to the Guru later on.

IMHO, for newbie, read up some topic about stock trading, gain some basic trading knowledge before jump into options. As everyone said, don't run before you can walk. Optoins is a leverage instrutment, is a double-edged sword, you can make alot but you can also loss alot.
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Hi Doji,

~ I logged in during the 6-mth free access right after the course; but for me, there was no need to attend any refresher or support sessions. Of course you cannot log in if you don’t subscribe anymore.

~ The course is a door-opener to on-line trading. The strategies taught are basic strategies used widely in options trading. Once you get past the beginner stage, you will see that it will take HUGE market changes to make these basic option strategies obsolete.

~ I find that keeping to just 1 or 2 strategies with an established basket of stocks, which work for us, will make us more adept at the game. The KISS theory definitely works for me.

~ I’m in total agreement that the monthly subscriptions are for beginners/‘slower learners’, as well as those who would like to keep abreast of market changes, although I would tend to put more weight on the prior group.

~ Oh … so now I see (correct me if I’m wrong) … Your gripe was about the fee rather than the course. But, for such a nominal amount, I think Wealthmentors is doing a great job in providing such comprehensive support to its former students. Plus, like you said, coming up with new strategies etc. etc. all the time!


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