Exactly. People look at me and they think I go heavy but i tell them no.  I lift moderately heavy, moderately high reps. What's the point if all a person does is cheat with accessory muscles. He can't get the contraction, he's not hitting the target muscle. He's only fooling himself. One of them thinks he can koyak orgasm by doing that shit.  I guess you all know who I'm talking about. Heh.