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post Mar 30 2008, 08:26 AM, updated 18y ago

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FreedomFighter writes "Since the release of Windows Vista, Creative has promised their Sound Cards as being 'Vista Ready'. Unfortunately, as many unlucky customers did discover, this is not true. What the users actually found were buggy, feature crippled drivers. Creative insisted that features such as Decoding of Dolby(R) Digital and DTS™ signals and DVD-Audio which worked fine in WinXP, would not work on windows Vista. With Creative releasing less than one new driver a year, things seemed bleak. Fortunately, a talented user, Daniel_K, was recently able to 'fix' many of the drivers, enabling the incompatible features and also fixing many bugs. Just today Creative has decided to put a stop to this. They removed all links to his modified drivers, and banned several users who were posting links to the now banned drivers." 

Source: http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/03/29/046201.shtml

Related forum discussion @ Creative: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/bo...scending&page=1

Digg it: http://digg.com/hardware/Creative_threatens_community_modder

now you know which card to avoid when using Vista wink.gif

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Daniel_k modded driver: http://hosted.filefront.com/braziliantech/

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They should give him a job instead of suing the living daylights out of him.

He did actually do something that Creative was supposed to do in the first place.

Ie. He did the job for Creative for free, I think he should be compensated instead of sued.

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post Mar 30 2008, 09:24 AM

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I stopped using creative because of this!
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post Mar 30 2008, 09:47 AM

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geez... creative really has shot themselves in the foot there

threating legal action against someone whos actually helping them by releasing PROPER drivers for vista, not those lame crippled official ones??
worst pr mistakes ever.lolz

and they had to post it in a public forum ... couldnt they just pm him or something....

oh well, gonna start using onboard audio again tongue.gif

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post Mar 30 2008, 09:48 AM

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WTF tats a no brainer
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post Mar 30 2008, 10:13 AM

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woot, luckily i sold my x-fi long long time ago. tongue.gif
it's a really stupid move from creative. doh.gif
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post Mar 30 2008, 10:23 AM

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and now creative are in argument with asus


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I guess creative is looking at their "business" point of view and license agreement bla bla bla.... however, that doesn't change the fact that their products don't work properly in Vista..... they are going to lose more customers after this.... doh.gif

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post Mar 30 2008, 10:39 AM

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Gee... I thought Creative "hired" a driver modder to help them with their driver issues.
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post Mar 30 2008, 10:41 AM

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However, Creative do owned the monopoly for PC-audio in relation to the PC-Gaming. Change is possible but difficult to come by.

Is Creative owned by Singaporean these days? Or the stakes have changed?

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lmao
the thread leads to 50 pages in a few days,
90% of the posters are like saying,
i won't buy creative any more

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post Mar 30 2008, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Radeon @ Mar 30 2008, 10:52 AM)
lmao
the thread leads to 50 pages in a few days,
90% of the posters are like saying,
i won't buy creative any more
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realli wat..

ppl are frustrated with creative bloated and rarely updated drivers...

i myself also changed from xfi to maya44

lol

but i do think that for products which reached EOL... modders have every rights to mod it...

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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

No wonder last time i use Creative Sound Blaster i use somewhere modified version and it works on windows vista doh.gif

I though its creative one..but doh.gif whistling.gif sweat.gif

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post Mar 30 2008, 11:46 AM

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X-Fi user here..........stoopid move by creative to sue the modders........they should do like those audigy days when they sold they information about their architecture Audigy,Live.....the kxproject.........
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lol... i never buy soundcard before laugh.gif
On-board audio FTW!

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post Mar 30 2008, 12:07 PM

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suicide move by creative
look at the reaction of the customers in their forums
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lets all go against creative!!!
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QUOTE(Kytz @ Mar 30 2008, 12:07 PM)
suicide move by creative
look at the reaction of the customers in their forums
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hoh? I moved by creative? blink.gif

lol... hahaha.. now i get it tongue.gif

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go for auzentech hahahaha........creative is really making big mistake by doing this now
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post Mar 30 2008, 12:43 PM

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actually is it solely creative's fault? it should be partially MS's fault as well rite? but i gotta say they took a stupid move as well, they should spend their time on fixing those drivers instead of banning those ppl who modified it for good deeds doh.gif
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Hell yeah..I actually own 2 of SB Live! and it does not work in vista... sad.gif... Well, gonna aim for Auzentech soon anyway..But they still uses the same XFI chip Creative is using and also almost similiar drivers.
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I registered at creative forum long time ago, and i always explore there and noticed that the replied from forumer there not impress me...but i am wrong this time, accumulating 592 post from anger Creative users in just 36 hours since the first thread released by Creative mod....user power.... rclxms.gif

actually i not yet using this card in Vista, but i think i will try in few hours later....but i will never put high expectation on it because Creative can't do well even in XP environment.... shakehead.gif

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I LOLed at this

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Trashed !!!

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original post from http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/bo...cending&page=51
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post Mar 30 2008, 01:25 PM

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pity me, havent tested my x-fi with vista
i put aside my x-fi b4 formatting my XP..

now kinda lazy to install the x-fi, have to do cable arrangement summore.. haizz
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QUOTE(ir1z @ Mar 30 2008, 12:41 PM)
go for auzentech hahahaha........creative is really making big mistake by doing this now
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is it available in lyp? hmm.gif
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creative's tryin to boycott vista users? i dun get it...
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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Mar 30 2008, 01:36 PM)
creative's tryin to boycott vista users? i dun get it...
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no, Creative intentionally cripple the card features in Vista where the features are available in XP....they goes after driver modder called "Daniel_K" who unlock the crippled features in Vista...
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Talk about clever marketing lol ! They made frontpage on digg, slashdot and reddit.

Anyone wants my Audigy 2 ZS for cheap? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yojimbo512 @ Mar 30 2008, 01:36 PM)
creative's tryin to boycott vista users? i dun get it...
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 30 2008, 01:46 PM)
no, Creative intentionally cripple the card features in Vista where the features are available in XP....they goes after driver modder called "Daniel_K" who unlock the crippled features in Vista...
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maybe they have a newer (not much different ) model of sound card in the pipeline

with the good driver
ppl dun wan to change

now some one expose their fraud driver

and know that all they wanna do is market their newer product as the only vista coompatible

so ppl will have to buy new cards

they will then get more business doh.gif
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lol, that guy trashed his card....if don't want just give me la, other than DTS and surround feature, it still rock solid in 2.1 stereo listening, much better than onboard sound, so waste la... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(mcchin @ Mar 30 2008, 01:53 PM)
maybe they have a newer (not much different ) model of sound card in the pipeline

with the good driver
ppl dun wan to change

now some one expose their fraud driver

and know that all they wanna do is market their newer product as the only vista coompatible

so ppl will have to buy new cards

they will then get more business doh.gif
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actually unsurprisingly if they really got new card want to introduced since X-Fi introduced 3 years ago...but they no need to purposely cripple the card in Vista, i think the software engineer they hired only first year of IT graduate, not mature at all...or the engineer actually not an audiophile? so they don't know what is surround, DTS or Dolby Digital.....lol rclxm9.gif

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Auzentech soundcard=yes biggrin.gif...I'm aiming for the Auzentech XFi most likely..no fund atm XD
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To hell with Creative Vista Driver.
I've been using YouP-PAX driver since the first day i'm on Vista. rolleyes.gif
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Well, some 3rd party drivers does not work well...Hell, it even crashed my windows cry.gif...Btw can pm me the link for those drivers tongue.gif
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instead of suing the fella, they should juz hire him doh.gif
what's with creative management? doh.gif
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Kinda stupid lar..I'll stop buying their soundcard i guess for now..pissed ppl off sad.gif
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auzentech card is still x-fi which means creative still gets $$
creative deliberately cripple older soundcards in vista so that people have to buy a new one for vista
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wad were those singaporeans thinkin??the guy who helped them got silenced? lol
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Well, Auzentech bought the XFI chip mah...Creative still does get $$...Better than buying from Creative themself... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Lacus @ Mar 30 2008, 03:27 PM)
Well, Auzentech bought the XFI chip mah...Creative still does get $$...Better than buying from Creative themself... tongue.gif
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but still the drivers are made by creative and rebadged by auzentach..

the same problem still exist...
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Well, drivers are by them but i don't think update by creative?
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QUOTE(Lacus @ Mar 30 2008, 03:30 PM)
Well, drivers are by them but i don't think update by creative?
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auzen still have to request creative to fix certain bugs .. and at what cost to auzen?

check out the latest changelog for xfi prelude drivers n c


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Driver release Information:

ㆍFile name: 20K1_Auz_RefCD1_RC5-1.zip
ㆍDriver version: X-Fi Prelude - 6.0.1.1281 (RC 5_1)
ㆍSize: 150 mb
ㆍRelease Date: 02/19/2008

New Changes / Fixes in this driver:
ㆍApplications have been revised to improve on the intermittent
    audio distortion issues when using DDL.

Changes / Fixes carried forward from RC5 driver
ㆍ Corrects "Error I-001" seen by some users with RC4 driver.

New featuresand fixes carried forward from RC4 driver
ㆍDolby(R) Digital Live SW Feature (DDL)
ㆍALchemy Application
ㆍVolume Control Panel
ㆍSW Bug Fixes requested by Auzentech.
ㆍDDL license notice and trademark acknowledgements
ㆍInput window fix
ㆍ DDL plugin update
ㆍ Driver bug fix on the BSOD during clock switch
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why there are many creative product selling cheap in garage sales there ? all is new and they said tat is reject product....
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I doubt it's rejected...Maybe...Well, guess for urself tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Lacus @ Mar 30 2008, 02:13 PM)
Well, some 3rd party drivers does not work well...Hell, it even crashed my windows cry.gif...Btw can pm me the link for those drivers tongue.gif
I've been using YouP-Pax drivers for years now.
Thanks to PowerSlide for recommending those drivers.

Been using it since i'm still using XP.
No crashes at all.

I'd love to give you the drivers, but i can't find the link anymore, giving through YM @ MSN won't do good either as the driver is 42MB. laugh.gif
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I haven't followed the latest development on openAL vs directsound in vista. I know that x-fi and audigy will not work without HAL (directsound) since microsoft remove the support of it. X-fi and Audigy user will stuck with software rendered audio.
But seriously Creative has mishandled the situation although its concerned their ownership of tangible rights.
Hurr, my only experience with creative card was only 30 minutes and i sold it to my friend. That was audigy 2 card few years back then. flex.gif

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I'm on vista..Thanks bro..Maybe i could get ur msn that could help though tongue.gif > Found it already...Thanks for recommanding it biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(ir1z @ Mar 30 2008, 12:41 PM)
go for auzentech hahahaha........creative is really making big mistake by doing this now
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yeah i feel tht card is better too.. icon_rolleyes.gif IMHO
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This has got to be the worst thing creative has done for its rep. If Creative does not solve it's Vista issues soon, the company's gonna have a hard, hard time staying afloat. Now Vista's API has managed to have a software DSP for most of the X-fi functions. What trick can creative pull out of it's sleeve next?
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QUOTE(suicideroach @ Mar 30 2008, 03:39 PM)
I thought PC hardware in Malaysia is tax free. No?
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Anyone had heard Azalia Sound Card? sweat.gif
Its gonna integrated on AM3 mobo shocking.gif
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I thought Auzentech's X-Fi is based on Creative also, doesn't that mean their drivers are similar to Creative Soundblaster X-Fi?

Just asking.
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Azalia is under intel 1 lar...how can b in AMD's moboo xD


Added on March 30, 2008, 7:47 pmshould b the same i think sad.gif

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Mar 30 2008, 07:45 PM)
I thought Auzentech's X-Fi is based on Creative also, doesn't that mean their drivers are similar to Creative Soundblaster X-Fi?

Just asking.
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yes, their drivers are almost similar, whatever they want to get fixed, they'll ask creative first.

After reading the mentioned thread, i've decided that i wont buy anymore creative products (or related), they're obviously retarded, UNLESS they make a total 180 degree change, they can say bye bye to my moolah.

I'd say good job Creative, you've just lost a customer..and most probably thousands more. I'm spreading this news to all of my friends/colleagues.


Now i understand why i get the problems that i have now. doh.gif
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o.O.But its integrated on Fusion Chip d..= = Azalia under intel eh?Source? tongue.gif
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Wah bro..i see u using XFI-Prelude..How's the performance? Yeah, they lose a lot of customer already...I actually bought another cheap creative soundcard jz to make it work on vista shakehead.gif


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But it works in Vista Mar?
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my current soundcard? yeah...
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just installed the Vista and use XtremeMusic on it....

The conclusion is you will waste the sound card if use under vista environment, all sound are software rendered, and i noticed the sound quality in Vista is significant different from XP, loss detail in the high frequency part...and NO DOLBY function in Vista...
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 30 2008, 08:56 PM)
just installed the Vista and use XtremeMusic on it....

The conclusion is you will waste the sound card if use under vista environment, all sound are software rendered, and i noticed the sound quality in Vista is significant different from XP, loss detail in the high frequency part...and NO DOLBY function in Vista...
Dude, find YouP-Pax driver.
It's a modded driver for Creative Sound Card.

The YouP-Pax driver will show the true colour of your card in Vista. wink.gif

By the way Lacus, how's the driver?
Working fine under your Vista?

For me, i feel that with YouP-Pax driver, my Audigy 2 ZS produces better sound compared to original Creative vista driver, what about you?
Do you feel the same?

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 30 2008, 09:04 PM)
Dude, find YouP-Pax driver.
It's a modded driver for Creative Sound Card.

The YouP-Pax driver will show the true colour of your card in Vista. wink.gif

By the way Lacus, how's the driver?
Working fine under your Vista?

For me, i feel that with YouP-Pax driver, the soundcard produces better sound compared to original Creative vista driver, what about you?
Do you feel the same?
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Link Please.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 30 2008, 09:12 PM)
Link Please.. rclxms.gif
Here you go:
http://www.google.com
http://www.yahoo.com

If you know what i mean. wink.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 30 2008, 09:14 PM)
Here you go:
http://www.google.com
http://www.yahoo.com

If you know what i mean. wink.gif
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haha, i know what u mean...thx anyway...but latest is which version?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 30 2008, 09:17 PM)
but latest is which version?
I'm not sure about that either, because i rarely check for the latest driver.
Once i got a driver that has no bugs or crashes with my system, then i'll just stick with it, malas mau cari updated version. laugh.gif
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big file..not time to download since download is damn slow....Doing assignment atm..Will try it tomorrow...(downloading at college tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 30 2008, 09:19 PM)
I'm not sure about that either, because i rarely check for the latest driver.
Once i got a driver that has no bugs or crashes with my system, then i'll just stick with it, malas mau cari updated version. laugh.gif
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Then which version u use now? haha, too much question, hope you won't mind... tongue.gif
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omg..creative really actually sucks..I can't get replacement stuff for my prodikeys and speaker sad.gif...
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 30 2008, 09:22 PM)
Then which version u use now? haha, too much question, hope you won't mind... tongue.gif
YouP-Pax produces different drivers for X-Fi & Audigy series.

I'm using YouP-PAX-AXv3.63.03.
See the AX?

That's for Audigy series.
It's made for all Creative Sound Blaster Audigy cards such as:
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Owh god.
The YouP-PAX-AX-V4.09A installer is 51MB. dry.gif
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you can still find daniel_k's modded driver through bittorrent
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too bad...I wonder y did creative take such a move...Without him, my SB Live! 5.1 won't work sad.gif
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QUOTE(fariz @ Mar 30 2008, 09:54 PM)
you can still find daniel_k's modded driver through bittorrent
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Nope..Since creative already remove most of his link...I doubt u able to find any =_="
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not sure, check the forum

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QUOTE(fariz @ Mar 30 2008, 09:54 PM)
you can still find daniel_k's modded driver through bittorrent
Fariz, i don't know either you can answer this question or not, but i sure do hope so.
Between daniel_k's driver and YouP-Pax driver, which one is better? blink.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 30 2008, 10:50 PM)
Fariz, i don't know either you can answer this question or not, but i sure do hope so.
Between daniel_k's driver and YouP-Pax driver, which one is better? blink.gif
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can't really answer that.. i don't use creative card anymore tongue.gif
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QUOTE(fariz @ Mar 30 2008, 10:53 PM)
can't really answer that.. i don't use creative card anymore  tongue.gif
Damn!
Now i'm the one who should be teh lab rat?
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which one to select ?

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Owh god!
The YouP-PAX-AXv4.09 is even worse than YouP-PAX-AXv3.63.03! shakehead.gif
Now look at all the work i gotta do!

Sigh, have to uninstall the YouP-PAX-AXv4.09 and reinstall YouP-PAX-AXv3.63.03.
And uninstalling creative soudncard driver is a real PITA. vmad.gif
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fariz!
If you didn't open this thread about creative stopping daniel_k making modded driver for Sound Blaster, i wouldn't know about it. laugh.gif

All i can say about daniel_k's driver is that his driver is even better than any other modded driver i've ever used.
It's even better than YouP-PAX-AXv3.63.03 driver for my Audigy 2 ZS.
The treble sounds smoother, and the bass seems sweeter than the best modded driver i've ever use which is YouP-PAX-AXv3.63.03.

Thanks man! notworthy.gif

And Daniel_K, you rawk! icon_rolleyes.gif
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which one to select ?

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Creative forum lost control adi, no technical support thread adi, only full with anger users thread, the forum mod hide themself else where adi...
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Guys, good news:
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/bo...id=30737&page=6

Go read it.
fariz, you should read it too. smile.gif

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LOL..They got no one except themselves to be blamed here. Their drivers are slow and useless + they wanted to stop someone who is actually helping them in their sales indirectly. Stupid.
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Let's join the petition
http://www.petitiononline.com/crtvlabs/petition.html

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I have already signed the petition woohoo....

I have been a Soundblaster buyer since Soundblaster 16 bit with its crappy 1x CD-Rom drive.

Their drivers has started to go down hill since Soundblaster Audigy 2 series.
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 31 2008, 03:31 PM)
Guys, good news:
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/bo...id=30737&page=6

Go read it.
fariz, you should read it too. smile.gif
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I don't see anything good on that page
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It seems like the situation is going to hell for Creative...
http://www.cafepress.com/creativesucks
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stupid creative. luckily i stopped using their sound cards since the soundblaster days...

they just want us lo leave our present sound card with crippled drivers to buy new s/card from them.

stupid unethical business practice. on board sounds rocks!!
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haha onboard
i never use soundcard b4
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just buy good speaker mah
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i just dunno why i must have sound card since my speaker 2.1 only
n never wanna upgrade until my vs4121 die ^^
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Petition signed!

More news here : http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/31/out...d_vista_driver/

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QUOTE(fariz @ Mar 31 2008, 06:57 PM)
I don't see anything good on that page
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I think he is possibly referring to this statement :

I checked with management, and it was decided we would bring back the Audigy Support Pack thread and allow you to continue in that endeavor. As long as no intellectual property of Creative is distributed, we will have no problem with it. I will get the thread reposted shortly.

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Where to sign petition? Linky??

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http://www.petitiononline.com/crtvlabs/petition.html
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QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Apr 1 2008, 11:47 AM)
Thanks. Signed petition already laugh.gif

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Yup signed.......Creatively uncreative of them...LOL
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I also just signed the petition!!
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Not sure how true is this but checkout the following comments:

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While it is not our place to condemn the decisions of Creative regarding this issue, our customers come first. That being said, it has come to our attention that many of our customers are not happy with the products Creative has released nor the support for those products. To wit, we have processed nearly 5,000 return orders within the past 48 hours. While it is not normally in our best interest to publically comment in a manufacturer's forum, the overwhelming concensus has left us little choice. As such, effective tommorow morning newegg.com will suspend sales of the sound cards in question, particularly those indicated as "Vista compatible", pending an investigation into the matter. Those of you whom recently ordered such a card will still recieve your product as indicated in any relevant conversations. While we regret this abrupt decision, it has been deemed neccessary to protect the interest of our consumers. We welcome contact from Creative as soon as is possible so that we may resolve this issue.

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Creative actions are unjust.They should be thanking the guy instead of filing a law suit against him.If creative were so good,their drivers should have fixed my crackling sound problem from my x-fi long time ago...
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i do hope Creative gets the message from the angry customers all over the world.
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i think this has been sorted out
he is allowed to continue the drivers
the links are still up in creative forums

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QUOTE(Radeon @ Apr 1 2008, 11:01 PM)
i think this has been sorted out
he is allowed to continue the drivers
the links are still up in creative forums
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sorted out?
i don't think so.
the petition signature number is growing fast.
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Well,i think microsoft will pressure Creative engineers to come up with a stable driver vista compactibility...they must or not...its like digging their own graveyard...people will stop buying their hardware regardless of any model...its my opinion thou.

Kudos to Daniel_K....a great solo programmer surpassing those engineers in Creative Labs... notworthy.gif
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creative "apologized"...

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"We have read the strong feedback about Creative's forum post regarding driver development by Daniel_k and other outside parties.  Creative's message posted on our behalf by our Company spokesperson tried to address our concern about the improper distribution of certain software which is the property of other companies.  However, we did not make it as clear as we would have liked that we do support driver development by independent third parties.  The huge task of developing driver updates to accommodate the many changes in the Vista operating system and the extensive testing required, including the lengthy Vista certification requirements for audio, makes it very difficult for Creative to develop updates for all past products.  Outside developers have been very helpful to Creative and our customers by developing updates for many of our Sound Blaster products, and we do support and appreciate these efforts.  This however does not extend to the unauthorized distribution of other companies' property.  We hope to work out a mutually agreeable method for working with Daniel_k in supporting his efforts in driver development.  Going forward, we are committed to doing a better job of working more closely with third parties to support their development for our products and our customers."


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damage done dude.....creative is gonna have to live with their own S****D mistake they just made.......

as the saying goes " terlajak perahu boleh diundur, terlajak kata tiada berguna".............


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If they didn't confront Daniel K that means they would have just continue crippling their cards to pave way for their new soundcards?

I don't remember Nvidia and AMD/ATI ever doing that, I still have several very old Nvidia cards and one ATI Radeon 9250, they still run fine with all the features included with installation of the newest drivers.

I think for purposely misleading and confusing their clients, they should be prosecuted under law to the maximum extent. Imagine what would happen if many Creative customers filed a class action against them, they would bankrupt without a very short period of time.
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Daniel_K, Who Fixed Creative's Broken Vista Drivers, Speaks Out
By Rob Beschizza EmailApril 01, 2008 | 11:13:33 AMCategories: Audio

Daniel_K, the Creative Labs fan who fixed the company's broken Vista sound card drivers only to be threatened by the corporate brass, just e-mailed with his side of the story.

"My name is Daniel Kawakami and I'm Brazilian," he writes. "I'm NOT a cracker, a hacker, just an enthusiast modder with basic assembly knowledge and very persistent."

Kawakami's expertise allowed him to enable advanced features in sound cards that Creative advertised as Vista-compatible, but which did not perform as well under that operating system as they do under Windows XP. After tolerating the distribution of his unofficial drivers for a time, Creative's vice president of corporate communications, Phil O'Shaughnessy, ultimately asked him to stop, and accused him of "stealing their goods." O'Shaughnessy also wrote that whether or not it cripples its Vista drivers is a "business decision that only we have the right to make."

The rest of Kawakami's e-mail follows, verbatim, after the jump.

ALchemy

It all started when Creative released the first beta of ALchemy for X-Fi cards, saying it used X-Fi's advanced capabilities (EAX5).

After some investigation, I've found an EAX5.0 check and patched it... and it worked!

Sometime later, they released the final version of ALchemy X-Fi and the paid version of ALchemy Audigy.

I was realy mad at them, they didn't release a new Audigy driver and were charging Audigy owners for a software that runs on top of bugged drivers? What is the point of that?

Then I modified the X-Fi "free" version of ALchemy, not the paid version.

I did the same with the later versions, but when they released the 1.00.11, I couldn't patch it anymore.

So I bought it, just for the sake of it.

Well, I did manage to patch the latest version of ALchemy X-Fi to run on any card, without even removing Safecast, but I'm done with that.


The Audigy drivers

They took several days, countless Vista reinstalls.

Creative purposedly modified the Audigy drivers to disable some features when Vista is detected and also purposedly introduced some bugs to prevent some XP utilities from running.

I did a complete analysis of the driver to determine where all the checks and bugs were introduced and started modding.
Features that I've successfully enabled:

- Dolby/DTS decoding (originally discovered by another Creative forum member, but I've explained how to use it)
- CMSS, CMSS2 and Stereo Surround (originally only "CMSS" was available, this setting also affects ALchemy/OpenAL, so it is really useful)
- Advanced EQ and Special FX presets
- DVD Audio
- Hardware MIDI synthetizer (I wrote a small utility that automatically detects and changes the default Vista MIDI Synth during driver install or can change it later using its GUI. Some media players lets you choose the MIDI synthesizer)
- Equalizer (with preset saving, very hard to accomplish, had to deal with bugs in Creative software and use my creativity to find a workaround).
- WaveRT (a Microsoft replacement for ASIO, however I don't know if it really works or not)


The Live!/Live! 5.1 drivers

Creative have always released UDA (Unified Driver Architeture) drivers.

They purposedly ruined the Live! support in Vista: 2.1 speakers setting resulted in distorted sound.

After some investigation, I discovered the culprit module and replaced it with one from the last XP version and the problem was fixed.

In the later releases, Bass Management, Equalizer and EAX effects using software processing and Hardware MIDI support were added.

There was also an ALchemy for Live! cards.



The X-Fi drivers

I've added the following improvements: Hardware MIDI and WaveRT.

I didn't have a X-Fi to test, so modding was then limited to these features.

The Audigy LS/SE/Value/Live! 24-bit drivers

Officially, they lack Bass Management, Equalizer and EAx effects, once available in XP drivers.

I've found that the Audio Center utility (originally from the Vista Audigy Advanced MB drivers) worked just fine with these cards, so I made it available.

Also fixed an annoying bug present in the official drivers that cause the speaker type changing to Full Range speakers on reboot (disabling Bass Management).

The X-Fi Xtreme Audio drivers
Have the same speaker type bug. I fixed it.


Gameport support pack for Vista
Allows a limited number of gameport controllers to work on the x86 version of Windows Vista.


What Creative didn't like

I've learned how Creative enables or disables a feature for a specific model.

Alchemy:
My last ALchemy release (1.00.08) was complately unlocked and could be used with any sound device from any vendor.

Audigy cards:
Successfully enabled the software-based X-Fi Crystalizer for use with Audigy cards.

X-Fi:
Got Dolby Digital Live enabled on any X-Fi card. To clarify, I still didn't manage to enable DDL on Audigy cards.
A friend of mine bought a X-Fi, so I could test it, it really works.
The only current X-Fi based card that supports DDL is the Auzentech Prelude.

The P17 to Xtreme Audio mod
P17 is the codiname for a simple PCI audio controller that powers the Audigy LS/SE/Value, Live! 24-bit and X-Fi Xtreme Audio host-based soundcards.

Completely modded the P17 drivers to transform any Audigy LS/SE/Value and Live! 24-bit into a X-Fi Xtreme Audio (enabling Crystalizer).


Modding is OK

I don't think there was something wrong with mods themselves.

Modding is a common practice among enthusiasts and I don't recall some company threatning a modder, unless you allow an exclusive feature to be used with competitor products (ie: SLI on non-NVIDIA chipsers or ALchemy on competitor products, as I've said before).

Remember the Promise Ultra to Fasttrak mod? It was even published on a well known review site.
There was also the GeForce to Quadro mod, the NVIDIA nForce 4 to SLI mod, also published on review sites.

What I did wrong

I've asked for donations.

Do I really need the money? No, thank God I don't.

I thought it would be ok to ask for donations so I could buy new hardware to support.

I did buy some hardware: an used Live! 5.1 for ~$15 and a new Audigy SE for $60.

Computer hardware is really expensive here in Brazil.

An X-Fi Xtreme Gamer costs about $240 here, with taxes and shipping, The same card can be bought for ~$80 in the US.

I just can't spend my money buying new hardware that I won't even use.

Even the features I've enabled, I don't use.

Later I tried to encourage donations to release the DDL feature for X-Fi and Crystalizer for Audigy.

I said something like "the more people donate, the faster I'll release".

This was even worse, but I was so eager to modding that I didn't think straight. I was hoping to get a X-Fi asap.

While I did ask for donations, once released, the downloads would be public.

I do recognize that I deserve some criticism for that.

To date, I've got $146, with amounts ranging from $1 to $50 (this value is still uncleared).

Reversing ALchemy was also wrong, I know. But I reiterate, what is the point of improving ALchemy and changing for it, when it requires an improved driver? It was my protest against Creative.


What Creative did wrong

- They publicly threatened me, just to show their arrogance.
If they had contacted me by e-mail or private message I would do the same thing (remove everything) and no one would know about their insatisfaction.

- Removed everything I posted in the forums, even if unrelated to the "forbidden" stuff.
If they can't provide better drivers, let people make their own choice.

- They did not recognize my hard work.
I've been supporting about every Creative PCI soundcard, would even support USB devices if I had one of them.

To date, the Audigy Vista Support Pack was downloaded about 20,000 times.


The current situation

DDL encoder and Crystalizer were not publicly released.

I've deleted the P17 to Xtreme Audio mod and ALchemy from FileFront (where I store the files).

I've been told they will allow me to continue with my mods, except the "forbidden" ones.
I'm also allowed to receive donations.

Download of my mods
http://hosted.filefront.com/braziliantech/


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creative wont be seeing much sales for the xfi2 if they merely "apologised" and do nothing about their shoddy drivers
by disabling feature INTENTIONALLY creative lost alot of trust from the community and no one would buy their card for fear of not being future-proof
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X-fi 2 is coming! Who wants to buy? doh.gif http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/di...ta_Drivers.html

Edit : At the forumer below wave.gif, dunno why the link to xbitlabs always rosak.... here's the website, look at the right hand column, top most topic : http://www.xbitlabs.com/

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your link leads to 404
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As they quietly released their new card, we quietly boycott them as well.

An eye for an eye. Totally worth it. Let them know that we don't buy in for something with a minor update selling for full price.
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Signed. Creative really threw themself into a pool of sharks with this action. I myself am a long time user of Creative products. I worship my SB AWE64, I have creative products connected to almost all my computers, and I carry a Zen Vision:M where ever I go. However, they have proven themselves incompetent with both this action and still not providing Linux drivers that really work.
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i have a creative live 24bit external. i bought this because i own a creative 5.1 speaker which need a creative soundcard to fully function. What i say is this item really suck.. it got so much noise even i just use firefox. It is worse in window xp and force me to transform to window vista due to this item. Creative sucks!!! never ever purchase their stuff again!
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I signed the petition too. Might probably helps you guys smile.gif
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Unfortunately, the situation did not change for us.

They did say an updated Audigy driver would eventually be released, but don't be optimistic about it (their priority is the launch of X-Fi 2).

What I can say for sure is the features I've enabled will not be made available in an official driver update.

Although I still have my doubts, they've said I would not be threatened if I provided patches instead of the actual binaries, because of licensed technologies built into them (Dolby/DTS).

While this could even be true, most of the disabled features are Creative's own technologies, which means they've disabled them on their own choice.

That's funny when people think you are an idiot.

They were after me and, on a chat session, they asked me what I'd like from them, as if I were expecting something.

They've promised me a free X-Fi 2, but I told them it was not necessary, because I was getting a couple of cards from other companies that contacted me.

Well, at least they are getting flammed all over the web and they are certainly mad about it and I could feel it while chatting with them. That is an enough reward for my hard work.

I'm not releasing a patch to enable DDL on any X-Fi neither Crystalizer for Audigy because, as they've pointed out to me, providing an alternative for their customers is good for them and increase their sales, specially when someone is doing it for free. Given the current situation, I cannot let this happen. 

I just hope their competitor companies do something about it.

And I really hope people don't forget this. 

Thank you very much for your support and your donations. 

Best regards,

Daniel Kawakami
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/bo...thread.id=31341
daniel k gave up on creative

This post has been edited by Kytz: Apr 4 2008, 08:12 PM
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My last Creative card was the Audigy and it sounded like a downgrade from my excellent SBLive! doh.gif

This pix sums it up...
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Petition signed.
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I've already banned all Creative Products ever since they are charging for Audigy Drivers, ALchemy for Windows Vista.

How can they even expect customer to pay for the driver? Sigh
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Now Creative banning any mentions of "competitor products" in the forum. They are definitely under heavy fire now.

And of course they won't be getting a visit from at the PC Fair next week.

So, anyone know where I can buy Turtle Beach stuff in Malaysia? Need hardware MIDI synth >.>

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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Apr 6 2008, 12:01 PM)
Now Creative banning any mentions of "competitor products" in the forum. They are definitely under heavy fire now.

And of course they won't be getting a visit from at the PC Fair next week.

So, anyone know where I can buy Turtle Beach stuff in Malaysia? Need hardware MIDI synth >.>
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you should ask in audiophile section.

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Still the question remains today

What motivates them to do such stupid thing?
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so who want to swallow Creative, that's company that "many" IP, the only one that may be can produce something similar with the vast support is currently Asus Xonar

Real Men do not use Creative tongue.gif
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whoa? creative goes down to pit of death?

lucky i never touch any of their product sweat.gif


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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 6 2008, 03:04 PM)
Still the question remains today

What motivates them to do such stupid thing?
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answer is simple, money
they want to sell their upcoming product,the xfi 2
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as the saying goes "money is the ROOT of all EVIL" ......theres were comes all those decision
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I predict take it Creative will go after kX next, since their option allows Live cards to run under XP (ever tried installing the official Live drivers under XP? stupid thing freezes at install). I didn't know Daniel_k's drivers allows the Live to work under Vista as well (I had hell getting my live working under Vista. Even with the kX solution it's only partially working. Got fed up and went back to XP, which kX is fully working). If I knew, I have one problem less with Vista. But now, it doesn't matter, my options have vanished.

And on the topic of short support, My ZVM is also discontinued?!?

Creative, digging own grave. Sad.

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creative and daniel working together??

the 1st post edited by daniel_k on 6th-may-2008
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/bo...thread.id=32254

Quote from http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7722.html - (9th may 2008)
"It seems Creative and driver modder Daniel Kawakami have made amends, as Daniel has been allowed to release a Dolby Digital Live Unlocker for the SoundBlaster X-Fi series. He was allowed to release the patch under the circumstances that he did not modify any existing executables or DLL files. We also heard that Creative is trying to repair some of the damage from the previous drama by offering refunds to those who bought ALchemy"


this is something... hmm.gif
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asus xonar aslo ok ma !
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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Apr 7 2008, 04:37 PM)
I predict take it Creative will go after kX next, since their option allows Live cards to run under XP (ever tried installing the official Live drivers under XP? stupid thing freezes at install). I didn't know Daniel_k's drivers allows the Live to work under Vista as well (I had hell getting my live working under Vista. Even with the kX solution it's only partially working. Got fed up and went back to XP, which kX is fully working). If I knew, I have one problem less with Vista. But now, it doesn't matter, my options have vanished.

And on the topic of short support, My ZVM is also discontinued?!?

Creative, digging own grave. Sad.
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No.....they will not sue or hunt down kxproject.....the kXproject got the schematic and the tech for the audigy and previous SB from creative.......creative sold it to them........but creative did not sell their x-fi tech schematic and tech to kxproject......that's why the kxdriver only support up to audigy Sound card....no kxproject for x-fi.....

 

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