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post Apr 10 2008, 10:05 PM

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Both topics being merged in a Resorts thread.
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post Jun 26 2008, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jun 26 2008, 12:25 PM)
2.5% nia arr? people say, buy RESORT because of dividend play. Should at least be 4% ma
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Genting and Resorts are not famous for the dividend, kedekut company. Don't get me wrong, they are good fundamantal company, just on dividend side, if one aims for dividend play one, then they are not a good choice.
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post Oct 4 2008, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(normanTE @ Oct 3 2008, 11:10 PM)
yes i agree fair value of resort 2.50 rm
but ever u guy analyse how come only resort at it fair value other stock
all overprice look at bat rm42, amway6.75, pbb rm10, genting berhad still over price rm5 , dutchlady 10.8 and nestle 22 and digi all above their fair value,

something fishy hmm.gif


Added on October 3, 2008, 11:12 pmcant rule out it might drop below fair value1.9 or rm2
better collect bullet now. bullet limited one man as now probably tip of ice berg of the bear market
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Except Genting,
It is not something fishy, those stocks are staying high level because people knews they are going to be paid at least 6% and above annually on dividend yield compared their money put in FD with 3.7% only. That's the primary reason.
While those stocks although will be affected by economy slowdown, but impact is lesser compared to general businesses out there.

It is not rocket science, if some stocks are giving out 2x better than normal FD yield while risk wise is low (their businesses are quite stable as well as share price throughout as history tells), it is a supporting factor for those kind of stocks.

You need 2 primary conditions for those kind of stocks to plunge ie.
1. Economy recession is severe which resulted company profit to drop severely which make the dividend yield not sustainable.

2. Interest rate goes up, which make those dividend yield not attactive.


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post Dec 4 2008, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Dec 3 2008, 10:20 PM)
Just curious, about the free voucher....again.  tongue.gif
Only 1 set of vouchers are given, no matter how many lots we buy right ? Based on the registered name in CDS account not the amount of shares we are holding.
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If you have 2 CDS holding the same stocks, they will send you 2 copy of financial report, while those voucher come with financial report, disregard of shareholding number.

The company registrar (most) are sending out financial report or anything related to company issue based on CDS account, not name or individual entity.
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post Mar 10 2009, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(yipwh @ Mar 9 2009, 06:23 PM)
Oh yeah almost forgotten... i think resort is still a good buy lar...coz...Spore Resort...is not only casino lar. The main attraction will be the universal studio. I believe it will draw a lot of customer from main land china. Imagine Japan don't have disneyland and universal studio. Who will be going there?  I hope that resort with universal studio will create some sort of world class entertainment along this region. To be frank in ASEAN country we really don't have a good place. If you been to Universal Studio or Disneyland...u will know how crap is Sunway Lagoon and Genting Theme Park is...not to say i want to ketuk malaysia theme park..but is really low quality stuff leh.

Check this site...

http://www.rwsentosa.com/
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Actually I wonder (since I get contradicting answer and information right now), Resort world has interest in Resort Singapore casino stake?

I taught Genting only has exposure in it (Singapore new casino and theme part), not Resort.
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post Mar 12 2009, 02:46 PM

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I will only dare to say it might hit bottom if it git 1.6x.. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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post Mar 12 2009, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 12 2009, 03:31 PM)
Wah based on past prices Cheeroy or your own intrinsic calculation of the company? Curious to know.
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Just based on the median price (adjusted) of last time bear market (2002-2005).

Ultimate support level is around 1.4x which based on both last time bear market chart and its NTA.

Remember Resorts's operation business still making profit and contribute positive cashflow every year about 1.5~2billion even discount for future bleak economy and drop in revenue, it should be able register positive cashflow around or near 1 billion.


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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 15 2009, 05:59 PM)
Agree. I do hear a lot of my friends buying and hold it for long term. THey said, it will give you at least a return of one new Toyota Camry! biggrin.gif
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Somehow need to see from what perspective

If you invest a Ferrari, then getting after a few years, a new Toyota Camry generally not much a problem, but in the process your Ferrari is in risk, might turn into Camry, if bought too high.

But if you invest a kancil, then try to getting a Toyota Camry, then 5-10 years time frame might not enough.

Just my 2 cents. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Mar 20 2009, 03:45 PM)
This counter really kns... heard that Tan Sri is risking RWB for Walker Digital.. not good.. got this counter at 2.03... last week.. kns drop like dead weight.. average out today at 1.90..

looks like seller throwing at 1.90... not good.. sad.gif.
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Yup, since this news come out, its share keep on going down and facing enormous selling pressure until now because investors don't like the related party transaction which has conflict of interest.

There is no details putting up by any analysts regarding this company. What we all know is suddenly Resorts acquired this company for around 200 millions, if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(putraperdana @ Mar 20 2009, 03:52 PM)
Any news of SG resorts progress??? Are they on schedule?
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SG issue is affecting Genting, not Resorts.


Added on March 20, 2009, 4:14 pm
QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Mar 20 2009, 03:58 PM)
Yup. But this current slump does not do justice to RWB who has reported healthy figures although the loss is due to a writedown on asset impairment. But with a huge cash hoard, RWB should actually be sitting at 2.50... and just because some analyst do not get details for them to do their work, they write adversely about the counter..  rclxub.gif  (that is a statement for fun)...
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Stock market is always sensitive to some related party transaction that have conflict of interest.

If DW is bought from third party which doesn't related to Resorts in the first place, then damage would be lesser or little damage only.



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post Mar 23 2009, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Mar 23 2009, 07:18 PM)
Resorts closed at 1.97. Now u have earned some profits biggrin.gif
Last week, Resorts buyback alot of shares. What they gonna do about it? Is they gonna void it and increase the EPS value or
hold it first and then sell it at higher price? Can someone enlighten me? Thanks

Btw, i'm not sure whether u guys aware. Everytime Resorts buyback their shares, there would be some rally ahead of this.
Just like previous days on July 08 and Dec 08. Last week also shares buyback. So, this week Resorts gonna rally above RM2.. Go go go  rclxm9.gif
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They will keep the treasury shares, they won't cancel it, that's my prediction. Generally company will utilise it as share dividend instead of cash dividend especially in current situation, there is always high chance company compensate cash dividend with share dividend.
or sell it when price is higher which generate back cashflow to the company.

It is very rate company cancel the treasury which increase the EPS.

QUOTE(Freelancer @ Mar 23 2009, 08:05 PM)
And Resorts has yet to officially announce the coming dividend.    wink.gif
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Proposed when its released its 4th result time. Just the date hasn't announced and finalised yet.
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post Apr 7 2009, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Apr 7 2009, 06:58 PM)
Resorts may reach roof already. Strong resistance at RM2.31
Better take half profits before it *poof* gone.

DOW futures -102. DOW rally maybe stop and going for retracement
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It is a strong resistance line, which is its 100 days moving average if not mistaken. Feel free to correct me on this. I don't have TA chart at the moment.
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post Apr 8 2009, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Apr 7 2009, 10:12 PM)
Yup..SMA100 in daily chart. Doji formed today.
If tonite DOW close RED, tommorrow bar will be long black candle. Confirm reversal are forming..
More black candle to come.  wink.gif
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TA, it is still bearish. wink.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 8 2009, 01:37 PM)
At the moment, this counter is mainly for long-term investment. Just that the price is so volatile that I was thinking of unloading it and buying at a lower price. My ABP is RM2.24..... Just that I'm afraid that when I unload, the price rallies.... like what happened to GENTING.... I'm not worried about holding it, just worried about being left behind....  blush.gif

Then again, these counters really eat up my capital. Imaging if a person hold 1000 shares equivalent to RM2250. Even if it reaches RM2.50 per share, you only get RM250 capital appreciation...... and it is said that RESORT doesn't give good dividends either....

Anyway, might just unload this counter if my hands gets too itchy..... buy penny stocks with good track records.....  whistling.gif
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If sell then use the money to buy goreng penny stocks and burned, then if you look back, you shouldn't sell it at all.

Penny stock seldom got very good track record, as if they are good, they won't be penny in the first place, unless some special circumstance. (still got exception, not against penny stocks, but must choose wisely on penny stock).

Set a floor price to protect your profit if you scare the profit running away.

Resort dividend yield current comparable to FD rate, finally. (Not because dividend going up, but FD rate going down. biggrin.gif )
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post May 13 2009, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ May 13 2009, 03:31 PM)
It's going to renamed Genting Malaysia. Sounds like good news to me. drool.gif
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Rename also can consider a good news? shocking.gif

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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ May 13 2009, 11:32 PM)
Resorts and Genting pays Quarterly dividen right?
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Nope, they pay semi-annually one.
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QUOTE(hellfire8888 @ May 15 2009, 08:07 AM)
hmm based on this calculation ..let say u have 10x100 lot of resort share bought at rm2.50 how much is the divident payout? confuse with the calculation part..
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How much you bought doesn't matter one, it is number of shares you have.

4 cents per share

You have 1000 shares or 0.04 x 1000 = 40.00
But it is less tax 25%

40 x 0.75 = 30.00 (Cheque sent to you will be 30.00)

But you can claim back the 10 (tax) part if you are not subjected to income tax, or portion based on your tax bracket.

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QUOTE(htt @ May 17 2009, 01:22 PM)
Sad to tell you the answer is YES tongue.gif
Btw, one-tier tax system coming, you don't have to worry in coming years....
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Don't worry doesn't mean good news. icon_idea.gif

As single tier, no claim back aka he needs to pay tax eventhough as student.
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QUOTE(skylands @ Aug 26 2009, 11:26 PM)
wont drop that much la .. anyway , they are so stingy , pay so little dividend sad.gif
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It has been like that for years even though company holds a few billion cash in hand and keep on rising.

If they are generous on dividend, the stock price highly will trade much higher than current level.

Anyway, this is about company management board decision, can't say which way is a definite right or wrong decision, as most important part is taking good care of the company.

But I would like to see the company put some dividend policy as a reward for loyal shareholders, like 30-40% of the profit is set aside for the dividend, so if profit goes up, dividend goes up as well unless some circumstances that need to hold cash for acquisition or expansion issue, which is another aspect.

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post Aug 27 2009, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Aug 27 2009, 11:57 AM)
This counter in down trend now, if not support by the host, most probably drop below RM2.70. Unlike Genting Bhd, going hot even those the result of the financial report. The most important point is the future of the GenM after the impact of Gen Sin launching, will it be effect?
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My view,
Some impact surely got as Singaporean also one of its major customers as well. Also Genting will no longer the sole casino that punters can go to in this region. Although Singapore could be more expensive to go, but it is much convenience for some just fly there to 'play a few hands', compared need to spend hour(s) to go to the hillside by road

I would say some impact will be felt, but won't be too great.

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