QUOTE(alex2889 @ Sep 4 2009, 12:49 PM)
If not mistaken, no direct involvement at all, separate entity.Genting Malaysia, Resorts World
Genting Malaysia, Resorts World
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Sep 4 2009, 01:49 PM
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Sep 4 2009, 04:41 PM
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Feb 26 2010, 03:45 PM
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No special dividend, as many had hoped for.
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Jul 2 2010, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jul 2 2010, 03:21 PM) Is this a good thing? You do know that wall street CEOs are coming under fire due to extremely extravaganza high pay and yet underperform I don't mind CEO's getting hundred of million, if the company is generating 7-10% consistently and sustainable dividend, and minority shareholders benefit are well taken care of. |
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Jul 2 2010, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Jul 2 2010, 04:31 PM) What are the chances of the deal NOT going thru? There is no rules to stop the major shareholders or anyone to vote in the proposal or resolution. I may be wrong but I understand that LKT may not vote on this matter since there is a conflict of interest, so its up to the minority shareholder...right? It depends all the shareholders across based on %. |
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Jul 2 2010, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Jul 2 2010, 04:47 PM) But this is clearly a "related party transaction" so the the controlling shareholders cannot vote, right??? Is there any rules/law stated in RPT transaction, that controlling shareholders cannot vote?If it is, the surely a lot of RPT transaction being rejected by minorty shareholders before, but we are seeing little RPT transaction being rejeted before as far as I know. I only know RPT needs to be declared openly to all. |
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Jul 2 2010, 05:12 PM
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Jul 2 2010, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 2 2010, 05:18 PM) I think it is either a Co Act or SC rule or Bursa req, on RPT. I just updated on this issue.RPT parties cannot vote. Very popular many years back, or could be amended ? Usually they have enough proxies to vote them through one. Related major shareholders or directors must not vote in the RRPT (recurrrent related party transaction), according to Bursa listing requirement under paragraph 10.09(1). But this is on RRPT on business business operation side issue. I don't know exactly it is applicable in the GenM issue, as it is a non-recurrent event. |
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Jul 3 2010, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Jul 3 2010, 12:27 AM) sigh.... u guys really need to read more about the company to come to any sort of conclusion... you guys jus skim across the surface of the news and think you know so much about the company that u'd think every TDH can actually run a monopoly company. But don't you think it is not fair to GenM shareholders? Whom are getting not much dividend despite very good profit being made throughout. to bro snowball. whn i say TAXES.. i am not jus only talking about company taxes.. i am talking about gaming duties.. i guess you hv little insights to the amount the win amount is taxed at.. its a whopping 50%!!!! so yes, pls go look at the HRMC and Gambling commission UK to find out more about TAXES on gaming companies. just because UK has been seen as a loss making company doesnt mean it CANNOT TURN around? do you guys even know why the business a flop in the first place??? why does everyone come to conclusion so quickly? UK has faced strict regulations and economic down turn in the last recent years to name a few- smoking ban, higher gaming duties, the economic crisis (and mind u, u cant compare macau with UK, asian gamblers take risks during bad times, and the westerners take shelter in equal times) i dont think its fair to say the management in Genting are sitting back and shaking their legs just because thy run a monopoly industry. UNless you have worked with them or know thm personally. OR you ran an equal size company with similar characteristics. like we all say, "its always easy to talk the talk, but lets see you walk the walk. " People bought GenM share, mainly because its cash generation and good profit from Genting Highlands. Now 1/3 of cash is gone into GenUK which has been doing poorly over the years. It may turns around or may not, but 1.6 billion cash acquisition with no visibility of profitable, is something existing GenM would not like to see. Just like take a smaller scale, would you venture into a business while you don't know you able to make a profit or not? If investors would like Genting as a group, then those investors will buy Genting share directly, not GenM. When you separated out two listing company especially listed sister company/subsidiaries company, then it has its purposes, aka offering alternative to investors to own or enjoy a specific business profitability. GenM shareholdes won't mind if the UK business is contributing to the GenM after the acquisition or have proven record of profitability. While if the acquisition is done from third party, then it might have lesser issue to start with. It is the RPT issue that concern the most for existing shareholders, while the deal is about 1.6 billion cash involved. This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 3 2010, 12:46 AM |
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Jul 3 2010, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(rayloo @ Jul 3 2010, 07:55 AM) why wouldn't GENM buy over GENSP as well ? If they could acquire GENUK. They rather inject fund into Genting Group by buying building from it, now they found way to transfer fund to GENSP. This is better than the resolution proposed.Or another suggestion GenM and GenSp, being taken private by Genting Berhad, in this structure, internal fund can be crossed linked one another. No RPT issue anymore. This would be better deal and fair and square to all. |
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Jul 3 2010, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Jul 3 2010, 06:39 PM) i understand where u are coming from. but i guess there must be a reason for all of these to happen as well. IF its a loss making company... wouldnt thy hv offered it out to some other 3rd party to buy it and most probably get a better offer? once and for all get rid of the bad business? This was the comment put up by analysts.QUOTE(cwhong @ Jul 2 2010, 11:05 AM) this news from singapore..... they escape we suffer... not fair lah This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 3 2010, 11:52 PMDJ MARKET TALK: Genting Singapore +1.7%; Fortunate UK Exit -Citi Dow Jones Newswires | 02 Jul 2010 9:50am 0150 GMT [Dow Jones] Genting Singapore (G13.SG) +1.7% at S$1.20 as proposed GBP340 million (S$688.8 million) sale of money-losing U.K. operations to sister company Genting Malaysia (4715.KU) fuels hopes for stronger earnings profile. While Genting Singapore will book FX translation loss of S$338 million this year, bottom-line excluding exceptional item expected to improve. "Considering that the U.K. gaming operating business remains very tough, we view this exit as an escape for Genting Singapore and we view it as fortunate in that there was a buyer in the market," says Citigroup; "it means Genting U.K. will no longer drag on the performance of Resorts World Sentosa." Still, keeps Sell call, S$0.65 target on valuation grounds. Orderbook quotes suggest minimal upside beyond S$1.23. (frankie.ho@dowjones.com) |
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QUOTE(ooyah98 @ Jul 4 2010, 12:05 PM) Hi There are several reason which I can easily think of, I don't mean it is the intention of the resolution or not, just my pure guess.I can see GenM minority interest is totally disregard in this case. However I don't understand how the 'Listed Group' will benefit? GenS gained & GenM suffered. Investor in S'porean stock gained & M'sian stock suffered. Why the 'Controlling person or group' do this? Or is it all just for someone or small group's benefit? Added on July 4, 2010, 12:41 pm GenM has lot of cash, GenSP needs some cash. So in ordinary sense, GenSP if needs cash further, they may need to raise it through bank borrowing which may incur interest charges. With the disposal resolution, GenSP can get extra cash, at the mean time, GenM just having lesser cash which previously is just sitting in the bank doing nothing one. So as parent company of both, it seems quite a ideal deal. GenSP can get cash without borrowing, while it doesn't hurt the benefit of parent company, instead saving potential borrowing cost is beneficiary to the parent company. If you think from the parent company perspective, then the resolution seems quite ok and brilliant, but not on GenM perspective. That's why Genting share is not affected in the market after the resolution being proposed. This post has been edited by cherroy: Jul 4 2010, 04:38 PM |
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QUOTE(ragk @ Dec 4 2018, 12:47 AM) Studying GENM pass few year financial report, Cash were increased drastically but same goes to debt, so most of the Cash are actually coming from loan. But most of the debts are long term. The positive - Genting Highland (local business) does register good increase profit after major revamp lately.And alot of money has been used in investing (to the theme park i guess) so Free Cash Flow are very negative in the pass few years. Any add-on on positive side? |
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QUOTE(life27 @ Aug 13 2019, 10:20 AM) Man, genting share up and down so randomly. Even fortune teller also cannot give you such an answer... I just bought 10 units at price 3.17.. how much possibly will increase u till 3.5 ?? End of next month? Generally, share price is correlated with company financial result. Good result or anticipated good result ahead, handsome dividend - share price up Vice versa. |
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