Don't said like that la, they just a supporter of Ferrari. If u saying this without detail analysis, that same to you we look at that you are anti Ferrari.
I think the main problem is not on the Kimi Wing, it could be there tyre choice.
Yes, agreed Ham always one of the fast guy on the field. But If u said Ham is faster on this race, how come Massa win? How come he not on Pole with the lighter car among the top (if not mistake, 3 or 4 lap lesser fuel, that a lot in F1)?
For me, look at the whole race, Ham on 3 stop and sure car is much lighter and he not need to worry on the tyre. Plus Both of this team is totally in different type choice. So, can’t really compare them in term of faster driver or car.
Also, Massa also admin that they may have make a wrong choice of tyre, if not mistake, he said in conference that after last pit he used the harder tyre with better grip.

I don't think Bridgestone is helping Ferrari:
"Nobody else has had a repetition of any of those problems this year, with the exception of Lewis," a spokeswoman for F1's official tyre supplier told Reuters.

Don't think Bridgestone will spend money to make a special tyre just for Ham, then sure all others Driver anti Ham.
If you are the follower of Shumi & Mika, Senna times... they will always said they have to push at the same time they need to take care of there tyre to the finish the race.

As, Ham know how to push but don't know how to take care of there tyre. this is not 100m racing.. driver much have skill to take care of long run racing.

Not anti on anyone, Just my opinion!

This post has been edited by jejes: May 12 2008, 10:51 AM

Cool... thermal-cam shot - Williams Toyota

Yes, u right on the long relationship. But I guess bridgestone, FIA and others team would have agreement and "monitor" what bridgestone do. Remember also, all others team also "Anti Ferrari", unless all others now site Ferrai , anti Mclaren !

I guess we also have to get used to it if this happen:

If bridgestone make a special tyre just to suite Ham driving style...
Result: very good, bridgestone do the right thing for safety!

If bridgestone make a special tyre just to suite Kimi driving style...
Result: bridgestone are helping Ferrai, not fair, special relationship, cheating, etc...

Ok, get ur point. But for this case, it only happen on Ham, also Mclaren wanted to run the hard tyre in the race. I guees tyre choise mainly not base on Bridgestone, cause this come from the pratices performance on Friday & Sat. I guess each team have dozen of class A engineer to analize the data.. it also didn't make sense just simply listen to what Bridgestone said.
So, no tyre choise, only can play on strategies. So, for safety, 3 stop. But if Bridgestone advice them just go ahead on on 2 stop. If the tyre failer again, same blame to Bridgestone...

I'm not sure how true is this.... but if dedicated Bridgestone staff give Ferrai special "Help"... I guess... this news not in this forum, but in the news headline

U miss out my point, I agreed that they will listen to Bridgestone, but not blind listen to them.
Beucase a big team like that before make decision must have few dozen of "SUPER" engineer analize there data and confirm what they said can be taken and prove what they said is possible to happen. End of the day I believe Bridgestone already mention they are just an "Adviser", if Mclaren just take advice like that without all those concern and analist. I guess all of us can be a Mclaren Team Boss. Easy anything don't know just take advice from others, if wrong just blame them.
What I want to said is, the decision is on Mclaren, if they can't make an good decision base on all site (Team itself & Bridgestone) of advice & data. The decision maker have to be blame not the advicer. This is call "Responsibilities of a decision maker".

Yes, sure we all remember 2005 US GP, but also u have to remember why they take that advice beucase of the prove of few crash before the race and the Team itself have the data to show the tyre is dangerous to used. This case is so serious, do u think FIA that stupid take the decision by just listen to Michelin without strong prove?

Of cause I know all this site. I used to have dozen of member of them when Shumi era. After Shumi retired, not much interesting news to followed.
what i mean is, If Bridgestone prove to be an bad guy, we should able to find some "Official News" headlines about that. I just can't find one.

I think enough for the "Tyre War" here, please don't take it personal, just an opinion

No matter who we support, all of us here will support the same thing, "Formula One"

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Added on May 13, 2008, 10:49 amHehee I'not agree this.. his car is much lesser fuel, how u explain compare to Hekki? there are in the same tyre but Hami is much lighter then Hekki.
Also, if they know soft tyre is can run faster why they use harder tyre for qualifiying?
I think if hami pass massa 1st pit stop, it still 50/50 he will win. cause he can't pass maasa mean he still have not enough pace b4 first pit stop and you see the faster lap time is from Ferrari, mean if that case happen I believe Massa will play haeder to the race.

No, No, No, I'm not anti-Hamiton, I'm anti Coulthard! hahahaa...

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Added on May 13, 2008, 10:52 amThat y he call "Iceman"

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Added on May 13, 2008, 11:16 amYa, that is STOP & GO pit light that replace Lolipop man. Ferrari Lolipop man lose his job!

Here u are..



This post has been edited by jejes: May 13 2008, 11:16 AM

Sorry, I think u still miss out my point..
Of cause team boss don't know everything but they must know how to manage and make an good decision base on the information. Then why the company pay the team boss may be like 10 times or more of the race engineers salary? Why not just kick the team boss away use the money get another 10 or more engineers?
Example, Do you think Dato' Tony Fernandes (Airasia CEO) know how to drive/fly Airbus 320 or Boeing 737?

ok, my mistake, no FIA, then how about "All using michelin F1 team boss"? They are accepted and agree the adviced.
I did read more, but I only pointed out those "Official publish". There will millions of forum and un-official news taking different thing and those thing is no fact. unless there is a prove.
Like I can just said "Mcleren fast because they still copy Ferrari technology" but no prove. If u are an Ferrari supporter, will u bring my statement to share with everyone?

Yes, I agree there is an dedicated team assigned to Ferrari, but is it all the team is same also have an dedicated team from Bridgestone?
If you said Bridgestone not the bad guy, that mean they not giving Ferrari any extra advantages then others team. then what the problem? Please I'm taking recent racing not Michelin era.
I just don't undestand why if there is a "Bridgestone has dedicated team assigned ONLY to Ferrari" that paying an "un-fair game" then why I can't find any news of complain it.
As u know there are many sensitiive Anti-Ferrari team out there. If u can put a link here show me any official new on that? I whould be Happy to know more.

Please don't bring up those old times news (Michelin era), of cause those time Ferrari is the only Top 3 team with Bridgestone, that why they help them a lot. Same to Michelin will help more on like Mcleren team then those on last few places.

I'm not stand on Ferrari point of view, I just want to know more on F1...

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Added on May 13, 2008, 1:02 pm , Just to share..

Mclaren itself find the problem first, Bridgestone give advice, Ron Dennis is the one making decision. Not Bridgestone force Lewis to do 3 stop.

May be Mclaren should invesitigate there car as well.
Full Story:
Should-mclaren-think-about-reinventing-the-wheel

This post has been edited by jejes: May 13 2008, 01:10 PM

OK, I have bad spelling & grammar. That true. I still try to improve. Lucky not need to take English exam to join this Forum. hehehe.. Please don't take it too personal la.
But I just try to explain simple basic logic/concept being a Team Boss not nessary to know all what engineer know.
OK, my bad english again I guess.. I not accusing u on 2005 US GP, that one is bring up by u. All the while I'm talking Bridgestone advantage over Ferrari.

Yes, I understand the word dedicated, ok, English Guru. Can I ask if there is a Bridgestone people A work with Ferrari and another Bridgestone people B (not same as previous people) work with Mclaren. Can I use the word "Bridgestone has a dedicated people A assigned to Ferrari " and "Bridgestone has a dedicated people B assigned to Mclaren"? I only mean that, dedicated different people/group to different team. So, it still fair to others team.
haha.. sorry become english class here...

I just give an example only, top team like Mclaren team compare to those on last few places. Ok, I should list all the Michelin team next time.

That is ok, you judge poeple by logo/avatar.
Like the Red car doesn't mean cannot have topic against the team.

yes, it's not "Official publish", but is Official statement from Ron Dennis, that why I highlight that part.

Aiya, actually I just want discuess and want to know more about start from single F1 tyre supplier... why you/some people said Bridgestone are helping Ferrari only. As I know FIA has a set of rule to control Bridgestone & Team relationship. If Bridgestone & Ferrari cheated, Ferrari easilly kick out from the Championship.
That why i ask is there any official link for this claim.

OK, I saw some fire already. I will stop this topic here. Please don't take it personal.
Cool down.. enjoy coming... Monaco GP Ferrari should use there new nose again.

Guess we just wait and see any news if Bridgestone really give extra advantages to Ferrari.

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Added on May 13, 2008, 4:41 pm

hahaha... not really anti DC la..
just he should try to concentrate more on racing then complain...
He a good racing driver but not really respect him after he show his middle fingure in the race some time ago..

Ya... some time I still review back those old time Senna & Schumacher GP... still feel fun for it.

Yap, only ferrari... they have some problem in Bahrain GP.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...410101846.shtml


This post has been edited by jejes: May 13 2008, 04:49 PM

He should be happy since in the lead now, or he worry Hekki will better then him again in Qualifying. can't wait to see this Race..

geeeeeee.. I guess bad English confuse u la, Of cause I know if tyre fails should BLAME TYRE MANUFACTURER. that apply to case like US GP very one got problem. In this case, no one have this problem, even Hekki (remember he actually on 2 stop (1 more stop because of type punctured on lap 1). So, is more to the way he drive. Some point look at this case is also tyre fails, is this common sense TYRE MANUFACTURER should spent money & times just to make the tyre to suite Lewis driving style? Guess what others driver will said.

Yes, is normal common sense people will think Bridgestone relationship continues because of their previous long term partner. Just no one can prove it. But what I think, they in the business world, they are on contract basis. If all together others team can give more business benefit then Ferrari, why they want to make 1 friend and make 9 enemies? Remember in the real business world, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, BMW are covering large market. If they anti Bridgestone! guess there CEO will not that stupid. Don't tell me you think Bridgestone join F1 because they purely love F1. All about Business & $$$. Same thing here AMD have long term relationship, now they don't like it, just discontinue the contract. Done.

Ok, enough for the tyre war la. We all have different opinion.

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Added on May 14, 2008, 11:19 amOur "RTM" broadcast the delay Race last week with another 5 lap cut again.. That 5 lap is around 2nd pit stop time some more

haha...get a Cheap cheap lap top from Lowyat la

This post has been edited by jejes: May 14 2008, 11:19 AM

yap.. Same with engine. No team will make a reliable engine last for 1 year race, since they allowed to change every 2 race.

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Added on May 15, 2008, 10:16 amHaha... maybe now they can change to use Intel!

This post has been edited by jejes: May 15 2008, 10:16 AM

Hahaa too bad...

that good sign, kimi got it right at first then Hami. Should have a good show!

bad luck Nick have to change engine : (

This post has been edited by jejes: May 23 2008, 10:14 AM

yeah that statement is too much. But can't stop how people think. even Hami, Alonso also make mistake. I would said Alonso is the one make lot of stupid mistake (may be he is too agresive)
Guess Massa lost out mostly in it's strategy, fill up for 1 stop (heavy car) but end of the days still need to change tyre for 2nd stop.

So sad, Sutil from Hero to Zero.

You may right, if happen another way round, story will come out different.
But I still think none of them will have penalty, no matter who bang who.
Just looking at the incident, it’s just a normal race incident, it happen in many others race before. As long as the driver not done it on purpose.

Same thing, this incident so much of comment is because Force India & Kimi. It this happen between Toro Rosso or Honda or Toyota...etc..
i guess you won't see any news of this and everyone would just agreed "it's Race incident"

Yeah, Kubica almost did an perfect race, just it's car not fast enough to beat McLaren.

haha.... good one!