Mod, time to have iPhone subForums ..
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[Suggestion] We Want A iPhone Subforum, Come, before Apple Byte become pasar ...
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Mar 25 2008, 11:33 PM, updated 18y ago
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megatron007 .. kenapa you tutup kita punya rumah ??
Mod, time to have iPhone subForums .. This post has been edited by feizaiII: Mar 26 2008, 11:37 AM |
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Mar 25 2008, 11:36 PM
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My support for TS, I ve been following the thread for weeks even I dont have iphone yet.
New pinned thread in respective subforum should be opened with proper layout on 1st page to guide users everything on iphone. Someone pls make a step forward. edited This post has been edited by catsper: Mar 25 2008, 11:39 PM |
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Mar 25 2008, 11:36 PM
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yes subforum is more appropriate la
the community is HUGE liao also those normal FAQ n sticky |
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Mar 25 2008, 11:38 PM
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can someone start with GPRS/EDGE settings for IPhone? esp for my celcom number. thx
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Mar 25 2008, 11:52 PM
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i support the subforum,or else there will be a lot more topics created asking for help in apple byte
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Mar 25 2008, 11:54 PM
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Vote Yes for iPhone sub-forum.
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Mar 25 2008, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE(scarred @ Mar 25 2008, 11:38 PM) dud jes call celcom and they will tell u the info..all u need to tell them wat is required by SwirlyMMS setting then ure good Maxis is..owh by the way not to worry bout GPRS/EDGE not connected when u try to send out MMS..just keep on sending until succesful.. your line is trying to get connected to GPRS/EDGE when u send/receive MMS or ure not even on GPRS/EDGE so u need to get connected by calling service center its an effort worth trying..go ahead.. |
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Mar 26 2008, 12:02 AM
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Megatron, you did a good job in maintaining the thread in iPhone club v1 to v6......and i miss it already.
Since we are in a post election fever, i vote for "iphone club v7 and beyond....". Any other member voting for this ? |
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Mar 26 2008, 12:15 AM
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Mar 26 2008, 12:46 AM
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vote for sub-forum!
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Mar 26 2008, 01:24 AM
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sub-forum please!
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Mar 26 2008, 01:25 AM
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yes sub-forum!!
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Mar 26 2008, 02:34 AM
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either V7 of the thread or sub-forum is okay by me.. juz don't close it yet as currently there aren't any main discussion thread on the iPhone..
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Mar 26 2008, 07:03 AM
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Yeah iPhone deserve its own sub forum
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Mar 26 2008, 09:07 AM
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Maru Mari iPhone - Subforum
QUOTE Apple News | Microsoft is Investigating the iPhone SDK Microsoft is investigating the iPhone SDK to find out whether it has profit potential. According to Fortune, for a little more than a week a team of Microsoft engineers has been examining the iPhone SDK to find worthwhile opportunities to sell iPhone software. "It's really important for us to understand what we can bring to the iPhone," Tom Gibbons, corporate vice president of Microsoft's Specialized Devices and Applications Group, told Fortune on Monday. "To the extent that Mac Office customers have functionality that they need in that environment, we're actually in the process of trying to understand that now." "We do have experience with that environment, and that gives us confidence to be able to do something," Gibbons said. "The key question is, what is the value that we need to bring? We're still getting comfortable with the SDK, right? It's just come out. So we had a guess as to what feasibility would be like, now we'll really get our head wrapped around that." The iPhone 2.0 Firmware is due at the end of June thus developers have until that time to create new and exciting applications. Source |
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Mar 26 2008, 09:33 AM
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Mar 26 2008, 09:37 AM
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we need new SUB FORUM !
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Mar 26 2008, 10:32 AM
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This is madness! I agree with a sub forum too!
I would also like to suggest to have different threads discussing different aspect of iPhone stuff. For example: Cases, MMS/BT/EDGE settings, iPhone issues, apps, etc This post has been edited by mikelee: Mar 26 2008, 10:34 AM |
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Mar 26 2008, 11:27 AM
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vote for sub-forum!
vote for sub-forum! vote for sub-forum! |
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Mar 26 2008, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(mikelee @ Mar 26 2008, 10:32 AM) This is madness! I agree with a sub forum too! yeah, that should be nice, for those people who have problem whith their iphone can ask a Question in its aspect..I would also like to suggest to have different threads discussing different aspect of iPhone stuff. For example: Cases, MMS/BT/EDGE settings, iPhone issues, apps, etc "VOTE FOR SUB FOUM"<----( even though i still dont get my iphone yet, maybe will get it by may.. |
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Mar 26 2008, 11:56 AM
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Of course we need subforum. Now the Apple Byte is getting flooded.
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Mar 26 2008, 12:12 PM
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I vote for sub-forum, so its easier for everyone to discuss specific issues pertaining to the Iphone.
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Mar 26 2008, 02:06 PM
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yeah i agree. categories within the sub-forum as well
+ based on one thread for iphone v6, we got more replies than other sub-forum within AppleByte This post has been edited by skpr7: Mar 26 2008, 02:09 PM |
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Mar 26 2008, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(numero @ Mar 26 2008, 12:12 PM) I vote for sub-forum, so its easier for everyone to discuss specific issues pertaining to the Iphone. But who volunteer to start those sub sub categories?? Pin up those useful information Subcategories like this?? This post has been edited by feizaiII: Mar 26 2008, 02:14 PM Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Mar 26 2008, 02:23 PM
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Maybe we should have an iPhone plus iPod touch subforum
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Mar 26 2008, 02:33 PM
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one with complete tutorial.. oh what is what.. like the version 6 main page but locked.. so unnecessary post like "plz google, plz search, plz bla bla bla" wont be posted. easier for new, old and noobs to search for answers
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Mar 26 2008, 02:38 PM
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Whether it's sub-forum or continuing with v6, I say Megatron should re-open the current v6 so as not to mess up AppleByte.
By closing v6, I think we are sort of blackmailing the mods and admins to create a sub-forum... |
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Mar 26 2008, 04:37 PM
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Already brought this up to Admin. I put it in as an iPhone/iPod sub forum.
Will let them decide so just hang in there. You guys need to grow up a bit as well, ok? It's all about sharing so no need to be elitist just because you think you're a Mac expert (or good at Googling). |
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Mar 26 2008, 05:00 PM
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haha...AppleByte is going to be a 'pasar' now, better watch out! hehehe...
whether a subforum or not, it will be no prob as long as there is a 'kedai' for us to come together. btw a subforum will be great! |
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Mar 26 2008, 05:18 PM
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yeah...
pls re-open the iphone club thread while we waiting for the new subforum (If we really gonna have 1 |
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Mar 26 2008, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(azxel @ Mar 26 2008, 04:37 PM) Already brought this up to Admin. I put it in as an iPhone/iPod sub forum. You are great!Will let them decide so just hang in there. You guys need to grow up a bit as well, ok? It's all about sharing so no need to be elitist just because you think you're a Mac expert (or good at Googling). But i not really understand what you means in 2nd paragraph QUOTE(LaskarCinta @ Mar 26 2008, 05:00 PM) haha...AppleByte is going to be a 'pasar' now, better watch out! hehehe... It's oledi a pasar. Everyone post a new topic to ask a questionwhether a subforum or not, it will be no prob as long as there is a 'kedai' for us to come together. btw a subforum will be great! QUOTE(c_calvin @ Mar 26 2008, 05:18 PM) yeah... ya,mega.. Its good to reopen it while waiting great work by admin.pls re-open the iphone club thread while we waiting for the new subforum (If we really gonna have 1 no harm to u aso |
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Mar 26 2008, 05:36 PM
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i Vote for Subforum
IPhone and IPod Touch subforum |
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Mar 26 2008, 05:45 PM
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But, why none of us are actually opening a temporary 'official' thread first? We don't need to wait for megatron do we? I see Apple Byte is now flooded with threads on iPhone.
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Mar 26 2008, 06:11 PM
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You guys know what, I would suggest that the mods clean up Apple Byte sub-forum first. Newbies come in and post like there's no tomorrow. I know they want quick answers or attention but this is a forum, you have to be patient to get answers as not everyone here can entertain or answer your questions quick, or if you want quick answer just put some effort on Google. It's not like we're sitting here like helpdesk technician and wait for troubleshoots to come.
Added on March 26, 2008, 6:13 pmWhen it's cleaned, I hope they can open up iPhone & iPod touch sub-forum. This post has been edited by Mike3300: Mar 26 2008, 06:13 PM |
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Mar 26 2008, 06:59 PM
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I am moving this to Main Site/Forum Feedback and Helpdesk to get more attention from fellow Admins & Mods.
Meanwhile, please continue with the iPhone Club Version 6 while waiting for the admin's decision. |
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Mar 26 2008, 07:02 PM
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I myself hoping for a iPhone Sub-Forum, too |
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Mar 26 2008, 07:18 PM
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im going to vote NO!
lolz just kiddin... |
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Mar 26 2008, 07:23 PM
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110% thirsting for sub forum
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Mar 26 2008, 07:29 PM
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nyum nyum lets vote for a subforum!
iVote! |
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Mar 26 2008, 08:28 PM
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we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum!
we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! we want sub-forum! |
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Mar 26 2008, 08:34 PM
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Has anyone actually care about listing out the reasons why a subforum is needed?
I'm sure there are reasons but that doesn't help if you do not list them out but instead shouted that you want a subforum only. |
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Mar 26 2008, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(Geminist @ Mar 26 2008, 08:34 PM) Has anyone actually care about listing out the reasons why a subforum is needed? iPhone:I'm sure there are reasons but that doesn't help if you do not list them out but instead shouted that you want a subforum only. -All about the phone (pricelist, latest news, user list, or others) -Guides for jailbreaking/unlocking/third party apps iPod touch: -All about the iPod (pricelist, latest news, user list, or others) -All about jailbreaking/third party apps (guides, tutorials, Q&A) Some forummers might wanna add their own stuff maybe, create a subforum may help as new forummers open threads and make it look messy. This post has been edited by Mike3300: Mar 26 2008, 09:00 PM |
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Mar 26 2008, 09:24 PM
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i vote no thnx but a sub forum is good
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Mar 26 2008, 09:51 PM
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If the supporting community is insufficient to make a sub-forum. I suggest at least a pinned thread should be created.
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Mar 26 2008, 11:46 PM
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There is a need for the iPhone/iPod Touch subforum. The community get bigger day by day. By having a subforum, there is more control over the questions, discussion and also a lot easier to keep track of the issue.
An issue with current iPhone Club topic is, it get flooded with all kind of questions and discussions. I vote YES for subforum. |
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Mar 27 2008, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE(Geminist @ Mar 26 2008, 08:34 PM) Has anyone actually care about listing out the reasons why a subforum is needed? Well,since our community is not as big as Hackint0sh,so we cant have so much sub-forums under iPhone.I'm sure there are reasons but that doesn't help if you do not list them out but instead shouted that you want a subforum only. My suggest is have a iPhone/iPod Touch subforum with Pinned thread for JB/Unlocking/Third Party appz guide and question. Iphone Club will remain in as a general discussion and sharing news etc etc. |
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Mar 27 2008, 02:52 AM
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i think i peripheral sub forum is better ...
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Mar 27 2008, 03:12 AM
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QUOTE(Geminist @ Mar 26 2008, 08:34 PM) Has anyone actually care about listing out the reasons why a subforum is needed? Look at the poll result Geminist!I'm sure there are reasons but that doesn't help if you do not list them out but instead shouted that you want a subforum only. This post has been edited by ken_wickedboy: Mar 27 2008, 03:13 AM |
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Mar 27 2008, 03:13 AM
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he asked for the reasons
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Mar 27 2008, 03:47 AM
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The admins need to consider the creation of a subforum and there are times people don't see things the same way, stating the reason helps them understand why it is required.
It might be useful to put everything together under one post and point people (not just the admins to it). The poll result means something but not everything, support it with your reasons as well (like what other forummers have done) |
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Mar 27 2008, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(feizaiII @ Mar 27 2008, 01:27 AM) Well,since our community is not as big as Hackint0sh,so we cant have so much sub-forums under iPhone. i think jb/activate/unlock can be pinned under 1 threadMy suggest is have a iPhone/iPod Touch subforum with Pinned thread for JB/Unlocking/Third Party appz guide and question. Iphone Club will remain in as a general discussion and sharing news etc etc. then 3rd party app another, just like hackintosh and another for general discussion this way it'll be easier for everyone who wanted to know more info on particular issue instead having to read the whole 200++ pages looking for the information they wan(of coz they can use the search function, but i don't think many people do so). The prb with the current iphone club is there are many question that had been answered being ask again and again..and some just don't bother and create a new thread to ask.. |
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Mar 27 2008, 11:13 AM
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Yeah!! We should hav a sub-forum for iPhone!! ^^
Added on March 27, 2008, 1:33 pm QUOTE(c_calvin @ Mar 27 2008, 09:33 AM) i think jb/activate/unlock can be pinned under 1 thread Can't agree more!! then 3rd party app another, just like hackintosh and another for general discussion this way it'll be easier for everyone who wanted to know more info on particular issue instead having to read the whole 200++ pages looking for the information they wan(of coz they can use the search function, but i don't think many people do so). The prb with the current iphone club is there are many question that had been answered being ask again and again..and some just don't bother and create a new thread to ask.. This post has been edited by A4pApEr: Mar 27 2008, 01:33 PM |
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QUOTE(c_calvin @ Mar 27 2008, 09:33 AM) i think jb/activate/unlock can be pinned under 1 thread A good idea too. then 3rd party app another, just like hackintosh and another for general discussion this way it'll be easier for everyone who wanted to know more info on particular issue instead having to read the whole 200++ pages looking for the information they wan(of coz they can use the search function, but i don't think many people do so). The prb with the current iphone club is there are many question that had been answered being ask again and again..and some just don't bother and create a new thread to ask.. Admin,some response please. |
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Mar 27 2008, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(irwan6179 @ Mar 27 2008, 03:13 AM) Thanks for smartly rejecting the idea because you probably don't own an iPhone. It makes me feel that people that voted for "NO" are really selfish because they do not understand other's need.When i suggested Geminist to look at the poll! I was referring to the amount of people that voted Yes. With that amount of users voted yes, thats a reason. I'm proposing a Second-Level Subforum to be placed within Apple Byte area! We're all gathered in this great forum made for tech enthusiast and from my interpretation iPhone is the latest hype in town (pretty much for every other tech savy folks/apple fanboy). With the impressive growth rate of iPhone owners in Malaysia and with the forum made available in Lowyat, this will probably become the #1 local iPhone community, indirectly increasing the user count and on the other end, adding an a ready made area for any other existing users who may be here for some other interest at the moment. iPhone Club thread is also an obvious proof for its demand. I would compiled you a list of users who have posted in iPhone Club thread if you wish so. I'm looking at least a couple of thousands of users participating there. QUOTE Slow & Safe business model: Start a business according to the market flow, with high profit probability (Chinese) Innovative business: Start a business before someone else do so (pioneer/opportunist) Creating a proper subforum area allow discussion to be made in well organized manner. Preventing question from being repeated because users can't find what they were asking - they were hundreds of pages away or probably in another iPhone Club thread) - browsing through all the replies on each page to find out which user is replying to you. Making it possible to have a suitable pinned topic within iPhone subforum for instance, Eg: Application review list, Accesories list, Jailbreaking method list, etc.. (Apple byte will be free of iPhone) Benefit of an organized iPhone subforum subsequently bring the benefits the rest of the Apple Byte users. In my opinion, making more subforums may divert the users but in some way it might group the users of the same interest (isn't this a tech enthusiast forum)! If you do think that the reason that I've given above is invalid, would you then consider placing Apple's gadget in a sub, namely iPod Touch&iPhone. Thank you. This post has been edited by ken_wickedboy: Mar 27 2008, 10:43 PM |
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Mar 28 2008, 02:41 AM
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omg ~
22 people voting NO?! simply enough, because they not owning iPhone then. |
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Mar 28 2008, 04:15 AM
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seriously there have been alot of un necessary thread opening up like no tomorrow all the time regarding iphones
and apple byte is full of these threads already and we do really need a sub-forum to siphon out all the iphone crap. |
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Mar 28 2008, 04:36 AM
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Election joke:
Yes,We thirst for a Subforum won by a majority of 2/3! Subforum menang! Any decision yet mods? This post has been edited by ken_wickedboy: Mar 28 2008, 04:36 AM |
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Mar 28 2008, 04:41 AM
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im a new iphone user.. (just got my iphone yesterday)
but i'll been reading since page 1-92 until my head also blur.. so i totally agree that sub forum is a must... |
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Mar 28 2008, 09:39 AM
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Guys, we know your thirst for a sub-forum.
Allow the Admins & fellow Mods to have some time on the decision. Meanwhile, just be patient. |
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Mar 28 2008, 12:51 PM
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Suggestion for iPhone subforum
Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/659640 Topic Start Date: March 25th 2008 PAGE: 3 YES: 72 NO: 28 TOTAL: 44 Suggestion for Funny Picture subforum Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/660594 Topic Start Date: Yesterday PAGE: 3 YES: 63 NO: 14 TOTAL: 49 Funny Picture subforum wins |
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Mar 28 2008, 02:55 PM
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ive never visited Apple Bytes section. but i vote for yes anyway!!
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Mar 28 2008, 10:45 PM
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WTH wrong with the people here. Funny picture can have a subforum but whats wrong with iPhone lover? Tell me election is already over please
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Mar 28 2008, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 28 2008, 09:39 AM) Guys, we know your thirst for a sub-forum. Don't you want to find stuff/applications for your ipodtouch (almost similar function with iPhone) in proper order? Rather than browsing through 100s of pages and thousand of post to find out what are the users posting? Allow the Admins & fellow Mods to have some time on the decision. Meanwhile, just be patient. This post has been edited by ken_wickedboy: Mar 28 2008, 11:59 PM |
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Mar 29 2008, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE(ken_wickedboy @ Mar 28 2008, 11:58 PM) Don't you want to find stuff/applications for your ipodtouch (almost similar function with iPhone) in proper order? Rather than browsing through 100s of pages and thousand of post to find out what are the users posting? LOL! I have voted for "Yes,We thirst for a Subforum" too |
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QUOTE(boring @ Mar 28 2008, 10:45 PM) WTH wrong with the people here. Funny picture can have a subforum but whats wrong with iPhone lover? Tell me election is already over please People's power, I must say. They know what they want Check out the latest update Suggestion for iPhone subforum Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/659640 Topic Start Date: March 25th 2008 PAGE: 4 YES: 74 NO: 33 TOTAL: 41 Suggestion for Funny Picture subforum Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/660594 Topic Start Date: March 28th 2008 PAGE: 3 YES: 76 NO: 14 TOTAL: 62 Believe it or not fellas -- the topic was made only yesterday okok i won't post these comparison anymore *runs away* |
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Mar 29 2008, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 28 2008, 09:39 AM) Guys, we know your thirst for a sub-forum. thanks..great work always come slow Allow the Admins & fellow Mods to have some time on the decision. Meanwhile, just be patient. QUOTE(ken_wickedboy @ Mar 28 2008, 11:58 PM) Don't you want to find stuff/applications for your ipodtouch (almost similar function with iPhone) in proper order? Rather than browsing through 100s of pages and thousand of post to find out what are the users posting? mostly won't so rajin go thru 100+ pages, they will just hit QUOTE(firedauz @ Mar 29 2008, 01:08 AM) People's power, I must say. They know what they want oh..i vote yes too for Funny Picture too. But what are you trying to bring up?Check out the latest update Suggestion for iPhone subforum Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/659640 Topic Start Date: March 25th 2008 PAGE: 4 YES: 74 NO: 33 TOTAL: 41 Suggestion for Funny Picture subforum Link: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/660594 Topic Start Date: March 28th 2008 PAGE: 3 YES: 76 NO: 14 TOTAL: 62 Believe it or not fellas -- the topic was made only yesterday okok i won't post these comparison anymore *runs away* |
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Mar 29 2008, 10:55 AM
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