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post Mar 25 2008, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 25 2008, 08:21 PM)
RESORTS shareholders,

anyone subscribe to GIL?

i heard it is something like, every 1,000 shares of RESORTS, you would entitle to buy 100 shares GIL at RM 0.88

*GIL is listed in Singapore, SGX

is it really worth to subscribe?  unsure.gif
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Genting International PLC today close is SGD 0.59.

Btw, just recent KLSE newly implement new system or rules seems puzzle a lot of people.

Last year budget time.
1. Introduce single tier dividend system.
2. Increase min brokerage fee by 3x or more to RM40.

Now.
3. Merger of main and second board. <-- hard to finfd a reason for that.

Non of those seem beneficiary to investors especially retailers. Kind of hard to find a concrete reason what it has to do to promote investment in KLSE except the newly commission rate is fully negotiable for substantial amount of money traded one.

Retailers gain none from it. About the main and second board merger one, why need to have second board in the first place. <---- lot of retailers being burned heavily by second board counters, quite similar to recent CWs 'hangus' story. Second board index (which had been abolished, may be too ugle to be seen tongue.gif, just joking) was up until 500-600, when it was abolished just 1-2 years ago, the index is hovering at around 100+ only, <-- see the degree of damage?

Second board counters are simply too easy to ''goreng' due to low liquidity, that's why when the strong wave of scond board 'goreng' season, almost all second board counters price sky-rocketing to insane price, most at least Rm10+ and above. Repco was the infamous 'king of the share' being 'goreng' kau kau and went to to as high as Rm100+ to Rm200.

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QUOTE(jongkolkhoo @ Mar 26 2008, 10:10 AM)
everyday goreng collect a few hundred..  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
then when goreng hangus lose a few thousand ..  vmad.gif
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Yup, the more experience you are in the market, then it is the reality (90% chance) for playing short term on 'goreng' counter. Sometimes you need at least 2 gain to cover 1 loss. Then after 3 transaction done become breakeven, but for sure remisers and investment house are very happy man. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:18 AM)
wow today is TIMECOM's turn to rally!

GLC is taking turn to get goreng-ed, lol!

@alivecmh

KPS fire never die, woot!
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Probably syndicate behind this stock also become 'stuck crab' so take this low volume environment to push up the stock. biggrin.gif then clear some, just guessing, no concrete evidence.


Added on March 26, 2008, 10:49 am
QUOTE(jongkolkhoo @ Mar 26 2008, 10:43 AM)
i took a peek at forex forum in lyn and it looks like more fun ...  hmm.gif
but as in any gambling, have to pay money to learn.. sad.gif  sad.gif
is it similar to sharemarket ka?
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Forex is a bit different than stock market, there are more lean to fundamental and technical side of play.

As movement in currencies market is generally small, you need high leverage to have meaningful gain from it.

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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Mar 26 2008, 02:30 PM)
damn... My remisier called me, he said due to the system error,  all my order cancelled, cannot buy cannot sell now. wait for the system to recover and Q again. wtf.  This morning I Q at good price, now need to Q from behind again.
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Which investment house?

System crash? <--- not updating their computer probably or buying cheap hardware stuff, haha, just joking.

Btw, market become 'lembik' already.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 26 2008, 03:21 PM)
cannot run then let it "sleep" for 3 to 5 years biggrin.gif
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If the particular stock can 'sleep' then still OK, but some 'hangus' and afterwards being delisted one (CWs expired, PN17 forced to be delisted by KLSE) then all down to the drain. So one should always choose wisely.

Just my 2 cents

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QUOTE(aretla @ Mar 26 2008, 03:32 PM)
where to check whether the company is in PN17?
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Those company name with 'red bar' one, haha. I don't know about other online trading portal got it or not.

QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 26 2008, 03:46 PM)
adoidoi, envy nia~~ how i wish my counters limit up laugh.gif
share price goes up 30% from yesterday's closing.
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Do you wish had it (transmile)? hehe icon_idea.gif
Those had it still feeling the pain even 3x limit up also way below their breakeven price.

There is once across the board (even blue chips like Genting) limit up (half of the market counters) when the market open just after the CNY. But there was when KLCI at 300+ points time back 1998. Nothing to be happy about, as just mean recoup some losses.

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Europe quite reddish at the moment. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Mar 26 2008, 04:32 PM)
Index going up but all my counters are still showing red  cry.gif
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KLSE is always like that. Fund managers (including PNB and EPF) got interest in index linked and support their portfolio stocks while those second and third liners are being left out on their own which depended on retailers interest only.

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QUOTE(babana @ Mar 26 2008, 04:36 PM)
looks like transmile is gonna stay limit up for the rest of the session. 4000+ lots queing to buy at 2.11...unless sumone comes in n sells 5000 lots...haha

wat's MGO? coz if its really good news den at least i can look into getting Pos
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It depended on what price of the offer. Rumour is true or not, nobody knows.
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Mar 26 2008, 04:40 PM)
ya think so, tranmil will stay limit up now cos buyers coming in droves where buyers que is more than 10% of total volume...

MGO is Mandatory General Offer wheer someone offers to buy big bulk of shares at a higher price than the market price... it could be offered to other big shareholders and minority shareholders... the price will be determined by the buyer and usually it depends on the quantity of shares they wana acquire. if the want to take it private, then have to pay more leh..
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Once it is MGO, they need to take all the shares, can't set how many shares they want, it needs to be offered across all the shareholders of the company, it is same as to take it private already as listing company need to have at least 25% of liquid shares floating around at least 1,000 shareholders.

Whether they succeed or not, different case. If not succeed, company still can be listing as long as it complied the listing requirement of the shareholding spread.


Added on March 26, 2008, 4:47 pmJust notice someone has managed to push the Petgas higher to 10.60 which make the KLCI up 11+ points. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(dsugums @ Mar 26 2008, 10:28 PM)
I guess you bought it at pre GE price  hmm.gif
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The price one bought has nothing to do how much they are getting the dividend. Each share is given out 2 cents disregard you bought it at 2.00 or 1.20.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 26 2008, 10:32 PM)
double confirm, SAPCRES-WA doesn't entitled for dividends, right?
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All warrants are not entitled any dividend one, that's for sure, unless you convert the warrant to the mothershare prior before.

To be precise, warrant is just an 'agreement paper' let one to subscribe/buy the mothershare at specific price set. It has no right in the company until they are converted to the mothershare. Warrants holders are not considered shareholders of the company until it is converted to the mothershare.

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QUOTE(aretla @ Mar 27 2008, 10:38 AM)
huh? im blur... wat to do between dividen and par value?? rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

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If compay announces 2 cents then it is 2 cents.
But some company do annouce in percentage wise eg. 2% then you need to calculate 2% x par value = xx cents.
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Mar 27 2008, 03:40 PM)
There are not many big players coming in. EPF, ASB and Tabung Haji has not made any major move yet. Not sure why they are staying on the sideline.

Index mostly pushed up by retail players
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They are quite active in the market already, just short of foreign fund activities.

Recent activities would be Tabung Haji on UEMBuilders.

ASB acquiring aggressively on SIME, a few millions shares.

EPF on some Pbbank and lot of TNB shares.

I believe local funds also keen on supporting/buying Maybank today as well, just my guess.

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QUOTE(cantdecide @ Mar 28 2008, 02:07 PM)
Guys,

I've been quite busy lately and I like to find out more of the following.   Can you please help me to shed more light?

1.   In http://mreit.blogspot.com/, the dividend yield is about 8% but when I check Maybank2u AmFirst paid only about 2cents devidend last year.  So how did we get 8%?   Please help me to understand.

2.   With MayBank at abt 8.50, what is the dividend yield?

Thanks for helping out.   I will check in again later and see if I can catch these 2 counters.
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Amfirst is giving out 3.6 cents for half year, lastest semi distribution. Annualised expect around 7.2 cents which translate to >8%.

Bare in mind Maybank just acquire a overpriced Indonesian banks, which will affect it cashflow in the future, so past dividend history is not a good indicator to judge future dividend yield.


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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Mar 28 2008, 02:12 PM)
IMHO, I think the statement is not right.
First, you need to own 12 WASEONG shares to get these rights issue+warrant. So, your capital is not RM500 but more than that. Unless u can get warrant in the market at 0.005cents value. But i doubt you can, coz warrant holders won't sell their warrants at this price.

So, just beware. Dun take this as easy way to get rich. No free lunch in this world.. whistling.gif
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Nobody is buying at Rm0.005 for the warrant, the Rm0.005 just an indicated opening price, it doesn't mean people bought at Rm0.005.

The warrant is given for free for those subscribe right issue of Waseong, But you lose out on the right issue but gain on warrant, it is a trade off.

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Btw, today, I am buying Panamy, Amfirst and Axreit. icon_rolleyes.gif

Have some mini-shopping for myself. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Mar 28 2008, 02:47 PM)
wah....usually u r very patient one wor Cherroy tai kor...how come today u still buy although price is not dipping??? got any news or......get ur Bonus or xtra money liao? hehehehe......
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 28 2008, 02:48 PM)
Haha I had the same thought, when cheeroy buys something surely shoot up one. haha  rclxms.gif
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Just add on position on Panamy only, as its financial year is ended 31/3 one, so can expect some final and special dividend when it releasing its financial result around end of April or May time. Final dividend always will be 35 cents (total for the year always 50 cents, has been like that for years or decade) and some special dividend, last year 65 cents.

Just little 'shopping' only, still saving bullets.

I always bought those 'boring' stock, won't go up one. biggrin.gif
Just for dividend yield purposes.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 28 2008, 03:58 PM)
near month end, i believe it is window dressing.

pushing up the price to make it looks "prettier", my guess.
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Yup, there is lot of talk about window dressing after a poor performance of 1Q 2008. Window dressing is more intense when market performs badly time, as fund managers struggle to make the number look 'prettier'. May be it is the reason why local fund managers are buying recent few days, just my guess.
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There is why I am buying some today, don't need to buy on lowest, buy near the low is already good enough.
Who's know what will happen in the near future. As long as satisfy with my need with consistent earning and good fundamental (dividend yield >6-7%) I will be fine with it.

Always search for lowest will mean you won't buy anything. As when it is on the lowest point, you also don't know, only when price goes up afterwards, you only know it is the lowest, right?

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Different people different style, some like to treat it as 'bargain' like buying vegetables in pasar, biggrin.gif some don't. Nothing right or wrong.

I also like to queue one, may be only 3/10 will take the sellers or buyers straight away one. biggrin.gif
There is once I queue for the whole month at the same price. biggrin.gif When remiser heard my voice, he said same? , then I said yes, at Rmx.xx with xx lots. laugh.gif

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