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 RM2 vegetarian restaurant, Is it a good business?

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post Mar 26 2008, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 26 2008, 11:21 AM)
That is wrong actually. It takes more land clearing to accommodate livestock to feed less people compared to the same amount of land needed to feed more people if it is used for agriculture. So going vegetarian definitely is more eco-friendly.
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More land? Chickens can be stacked upwards and remain in small confined spaces.
Same with pigs.

For for growing vegetables, it has to be on ground. If its hydroponic, then its good, but its very expensive.
If its grown in the soil, the same amount of land to hold a chicken in a coop, I'd say the chicken can feed about 2 or 3 people. For vegetables, you need more land, and a variant of plants too.

In other words, a balance need to be maintained, between meat eating and vege eating.
To be honest, there isn't enough crops in the world to feed everyone. It is also sensitive to climate changes, and infestations of pests.

And the word "eco-friendly" has been misused. If the agriculture farming is formed by clearing lands/ecosystem, then it is not eco-friendly. Just like the emerging trend to go Solar as being eco-friendly, but sub-contracted to China to mass produce it without any means to contain the polluting by-product from making solar panels. As a result, tonnes of HCL was released, whitening plants and everything around it.

Eco-friendly products aren't ecology friendly anymore. It's now economy friendly, at the expense of the ecology.
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post Mar 26 2008, 04:44 PM

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its nice I will support it ....
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post Mar 26 2008, 05:11 PM

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Healthy and cheap. Why not?
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post Mar 26 2008, 06:06 PM

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So where are these places located, exactly?
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post Mar 26 2008, 06:13 PM

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what's the name of the restaurant/outlet? would love to try it
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post Mar 26 2008, 10:08 PM

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I can't remember the name, the one that I went to is in Kajang Prima, behind HSBC bank. There is a big green banner that says 'Makanan Sayur-Sayuran RM2' & the shop is painted light green colour.
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post Mar 26 2008, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(sh3rli @ Mar 25 2008, 10:01 PM)
Where would be a good place to open such shop in PJ/Subang/Puchong? I think rental should not be more than RM2k per month for budget purpose. Otherwise, the owner of the RM2 shop will have to fork out money to maintain the biz!
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Go for busy commercial areas with substantial student population. You can consider Section 1 and Section 8 in PJ, SS15 and SS16 (Carrefour foodcourt or one of the apartment shoplots) in Subang Jaya, or Sunway Mentari.

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post Mar 26 2008, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Mar 26 2008, 02:25 PM)
More land? Chickens can be stacked upwards and remain in small confined spaces.
Same with pigs.

For for growing vegetables, it has to be on ground. If its hydroponic, then its good, but its very expensive.
If its grown in the soil, the same amount of land to hold a chicken in a coop, I'd say the chicken can feed about 2 or 3 people. For vegetables, you need more land, and a variant of plants too.

In other words, a balance need to be maintained, between meat eating and vege eating.
To be honest, there isn't enough crops in the world to feed everyone. It is also sensitive to climate changes, and infestations of pests.

And the word "eco-friendly" has been misused. If the agriculture farming is formed by clearing lands/ecosystem, then it is not eco-friendly. Just like the emerging trend to go Solar as being eco-friendly, but sub-contracted to China to mass produce it without any means to contain the polluting by-product from making solar panels. As a result, tonnes of HCL was released, whitening plants and everything around it.

Eco-friendly products aren't ecology friendly anymore. It's now economy friendly, at the expense of the ecology.
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Chicken and pigs are one source of proteins, but you are forgetting sheeps and cattle.

Let me quote here a few lines from the energy debate in the EU about how biofuels would affect global consumption.

"To give those attending the evening debate in The Hague some idea of the scale of the biofuels discussion, FD Intelligence director and moderator Fred Bakker started off with a few brief facts. For instance, that biomass currently accounts for 11% of world energy consumption, but that more than 90% of that is classified as "traditional biomass", i.e. the firewood, animal manure and harvest waste that is used as fuel in poor countries. And that at least 40, some say as much as 50% of all the world's foodstuffs is used to feed livestock and thereby produce animal protein, i.e. meat for human consumption."

Now imagine the impossible and the entire world decides to stop eating livestock, 50% of the world's foodstuff will be suddenly available.

And here is another excerpt about how sustainable a meatarian compared to a vegetarian.

"In Helma Kip's opinion, the market should decide what use land is put to, pointing out that on average about 250 kilos of fodder are needed to produce one kilo of meat. "Here I can quote Dutch MP Diederik Samson, who once said that a vegetarian in an SUV is actually behaving more sustainably than a meat-eater in a Toyota Prius.""

250kg of fodder can be from food to waste to produce 1 kg of edible meat. Even if 5% of those 250kg fodder is actually edible, it would still be more than the 1kg of meat being produced. So now imagine 50% of the world's food stuff production is actually made available for human consumption instead of being used to fatten up pigs and cattle to produce a smaller portion of tastier food.

Yes it is true some irresponsible corporations clearing land indiscriminately for agriculture. Even the EU is blaming Malaysia for unhealthy emmisions because plantation companies are clearing wetlands to be used as plantation for palm oil. Wetlands are known to be CO2 reserves thereby trapping them, but clearing it will release it to the atmosphere. But agriculture does not have to mean less trees though. It can be sustainable and if enough research poured into it, yields can be better and improvements to land usage will not deplete the minerals in the land.

I do agree with you however the term "eco-friendly" is being misused and abused for maximisation of profit. That is something for the local goverments and their enforcement abilities to control it.

So I still have to disagree with you that eating more vege will be a cause of environmental concern. Eating less meat or replacing it with vege has always been more healthy, more environmentally and ecologically friendly.

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post Mar 27 2008, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(Addicted2Money @ Mar 26 2008, 11:15 PM)
Go for busy commercial areas with substantial student population. You can consider Section 1 and Section 8 in PJ, SS15 and SS16 (Carrefour foodcourt or one of the apartment shoplots) in Subang Jaya, or Sunway Mentari.
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SS15 & 16?....which part of SS15? I've been there everyday and don't see any...need to recheck my eyes now that I'm conscious of it. Vege food have always been so darn expensive and full of "Fake meats!" Which adds up to the uric acid in me.

QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 26 2008, 11:30 PM)
Chicken and pigs are one source of proteins, but you are forgetting sheeps and cattle.

Let me quote here a few lines from the energy debate in the EU about how biofuels would affect global consumption.

"To give those attending the evening debate in The Hague some idea of the scale of the biofuels discussion, FD Intelligence director and moderator Fred Bakker started off with a few brief facts. For instance, that biomass currently accounts for 11% of world energy consumption, but that more than 90% of that is classified as "traditional biomass", i.e. the firewood, animal manure and harvest waste that is used as fuel in poor countries. And that at least 40, some say as much as 50% of all the world's foodstuffs is used to feed livestock and thereby produce animal protein, i.e. meat for human consumption."

Now imagine the impossible and the entire world decides to stop eating livestock, 50% of the world's foodstuff will be suddenly available.

And here is another excerpt about how sustainable a meatarian compared to a vegetarian.

"In Helma Kip's opinion, the market should decide what use land is put to, pointing out that on average about 250 kilos of fodder are needed to produce one kilo of meat. "Here I can quote Dutch MP Diederik Samson, who once said that a vegetarian in an SUV is actually behaving more sustainably than a meat-eater in a Toyota Prius.""

250kg of fodder can be from food to waste to produce 1 kg of edible meat. Even if 5% of those 250kg fodder is actually edible, it would still be more than the 1kg of meat being produced. So now imagine 50% of the world's food stuff production is actually made available for human consumption instead of being used to fatten up pigs and cattle to produce a smaller portion of tastier food.

Yes it is true some irresponsible corporations clearing land indiscriminately for agriculture. Even the EU is blaming Malaysia for unhealthy emmisions because plantation companies are clearing wetlands to be used as plantation for palm oil. Wetlands are known to be CO2 reserves thereby trapping them, but clearing it will release it to the atmosphere. But agriculture does not have to mean less trees though. It can be sustainable and if enough research poured into it, yields can be better and improvements to land usage will not deplete the minerals in the land.

I do agree with you however the term "eco-friendly" is being misused and abused for maximisation of profit. That is something for the local goverments and their enforcement abilities to control it.

So I still have to disagree with you that eating more vege will be a cause of environmental concern. Eating less meat or replacing it with vege has always been more healthy, more environmentally and ecologically friendly.
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Yes, I agree with your facts. But I've also mentioned, proper way to cultivation of vegetables results in expensive produce. Making a proper meal of such wholesome "organic" vege costing more than RM7 to RM10 per person compared to some cheap vege and meat.

Right now, countries that produces vegetables for export need a lot of land. Some resort to slash & burn too (indon?) So it all boils down to the source of such vegetables, are they really "Eco-friendly" or has there been more environmental disaster prior to producing such vege for you. Don't take for granted that all veges are good.
The unscrupulous farmer may resort to un-ecofriendly means to maximise profits and produce!

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Mar 27 2008, 06:42 AM
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post Mar 27 2008, 10:18 AM

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I'd support a vege eatery provided their food is tasty, wide variety and reasonably priced RM6 per meal is OK for me...

My mix rice is around RM6 anyway and the shop I frequent has lotsa of choice its in Bandar Puteri tongue.gif

Aiyoh so early and I'm already thinking about lunch sweat.gif
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post Mar 27 2008, 10:24 AM

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i am a vegetarian , feel interested in it, i will be ur first customer when u open it


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Mar 27 2008, 06:40 AM)
SS15 & 16?....which part of SS15? I've been there everyday and don't see any...need to recheck my eyes now that I'm conscious of it. Vege food have always been so darn expensive and full of "Fake meats!" Which adds up to the uric acid in me.
Yes, I agree with your facts. But I've also mentioned, proper way to cultivation of vegetables results in expensive produce. Making a proper meal of such wholesome "organic" vege costing more than RM7 to RM10 per person compared to some cheap vege and meat.

Right now, countries that produces vegetables for export need a lot of land. Some resort to slash & burn too (indon?) So it all boils down to the source of such vegetables, are they really "Eco-friendly" or has there been more environmental disaster prior to producing such vege for you. Don't take for granted that all veges are good.
The unscrupulous farmer may resort to un-ecofriendly means to maximise profits and produce!
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stop argue lar ok?since wat u concern is price matters and expensive matter thats why this thread rm2 vegetarian exist lor..

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QUOTE(aaronpang @ Mar 27 2008, 10:18 AM)
I'd support a vege eatery provided their food is tasty, wide variety and reasonably priced RM6 per meal is OK for me...

My mix rice is around RM6 anyway and the shop I frequent has lotsa of choice its in Bandar Puteri  tongue.gif

Aiyoh so early and I'm already thinking about lunch  sweat.gif
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Is it the one same row with Oldtown Kopitiam in Bdr Puteri? I heard that it's good but have not eaten there yet. Only tasted their take-away 'yee sang' during chinese new year.
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post Mar 27 2008, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(AHBOON @ Mar 27 2008, 10:24 AM)
i am a vegetarian , feel interested in it, i will be ur first customer when u open it


Added on March 27, 2008, 10:33 am
stop argue lar ok?since wat u concern is price matters and expensive matter thats why this thread rm2 vegetarian exist lor..
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cheh...not arguing with you also. Its just that using the term "eco-friendly" because its vegetarian is misleading.

But i find that using too much of soy-based-product for mock meats is ludicrous.
I've seen how thai vege restaurants (i.e. MayKaiDee's) actually serve real veges and fruits that are really tasty and innovative (and cheap), not mock meats. I've grown tired of this...and so far i've yet to see any single vege restaurant in malaysia that does NOT serve mock meats. (they r anything but healthy anyway. too much MSG?)


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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Mar 27 2008, 06:40 AM)
SS15 & 16?....which part of SS15? I've been there everyday and don't see any...need to recheck my eyes now that I'm conscious of it. Vege food have always been so darn expensive and full of "Fake meats!" Which adds up to the uric acid in me.


Yup, you need to check your eyes tongue.gif Pls reread what I posted - I was answering Sher Li's question on good places to set up such a shop. Anyway, you should try the vegetarian chap fun stalls - the prices are no higher than normal chap fun.

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QUOTE(Addicted2Money @ Mar 26 2008, 11:15 PM)
Go for busy commercial areas with substantial student population. You can consider Section 1 and Section 8 in PJ, SS15 and SS16 (Carrefour foodcourt or one of the apartment shoplots) in Subang Jaya, or Sunway Mentari.
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yeah!

remember, mcdonalds is successful not because of their burgers or milkshakes, they're succesful because of their location, location, location.
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Mar 27 2008, 04:38 PM)
cheh...not arguing with you also. Its just that using the term "eco-friendly" because its vegetarian is misleading.

But i find that using too much of soy-based-product for mock meats is ludicrous.
I've seen how thai vege restaurants (i.e. MayKaiDee's) actually serve real veges and fruits that are really tasty and innovative (and cheap), not mock meats. I've grown tired of this...and so far i've yet to see any single vege restaurant in malaysia that does NOT serve mock meats. (they r anything but healthy anyway. too much MSG?)
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dun live for wat u concern, just be ur self man, i doesnt even care wat those eco matter like above mention, i dun eat for wat world peace or wat religion matter or watever freak, i just want to be healthier , dun care for those mock meat lar, i doesnt even care how ppl eat, i just eat according to healthest way, those mock meat can be consider for those not fulll vege or not so like "pure vege" punya ppl makam punya, considering u not a pure vege but u force to eat plain vege like only green vege and toufu, will u feel fed up eating everyday, ofcos u will or other ppl will right?if u dun like those mock meat, just dun eat it, eat wat u favoured, be ur self k?
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RM2 can earn money ah? Should set RM5 instead.

Shop rental or cost no need to cover ah? tongue.gif

Electricity, gas, water? tongue.gif
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Rm2 for 'nasi campur' which consist of rice + 3 types of vege. I don't think can find such good deal anywhere nowadays.
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QUOTE(sh3rli @ Mar 26 2008, 10:00 AM)
I heard that these RM2 shops are run by a Buddhist society. They are backed by rich ppl who can afford to run the biz even if on a loss. They take it as a donation to the community's welfare, so everyone can have a decent meal. Such kind hearted rich ppl.
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Why don't you talk to the shop operators or even the owner and find out what are their running costs?

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QUOTE(sh3rli @ Mar 27 2008, 11:43 PM)
Rm2 for 'nasi campur' which consist of rice + 3 types of vege. I don't think can find such good deal anywhere nowadays.
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yea lo

3 type vege sudah 2.00 i gues.s.
unless the Bao Cai..
then dif story

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