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post Apr 29 2008, 10:52 AM

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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif introducing facts into anime, do u guys know logic and anime do not go to gather? Maybe other than Gits.......
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post Apr 29 2008, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 29 2008, 09:51 AM)
nope. the body is never immediately dead. even if ur headshot it will take at least 10 minutes for the body to cease functioning fully
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Brain dies in 3 minutes without oxygen.

SWAT employs the SHOOT-TO-DISARM tactic of weapon shooting. They don't, contrary to all the movies you see, aim for the head all the time. They'd want the target/suspect alive, not dead. That's Hollywood stuff. Even other special forces elements SHOOT TO KILL, not necessarily meaning the head. It's not as easy as putting the reticule or sights on someone's head and putting rounds in.

Remember, you cannot aim, you must hit.

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post Apr 29 2008, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ Apr 29 2008, 12:00 PM)
Brain dies in 3 minutes without oxygen.
Suffocation and getting your brain blown to bits are two entirely different things altogether you know?

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SWAT employs the SHOOT-TO-DISARM tactic of weapon shooting. They don't, contrary to all the movies you see, aim for the head all the time. They'd want the target/suspect alive, not dead. That's Hollywood stuff. Even other special forces elements SHOOT TO KILL, not necessarily meaning the head. It's not as easy as putting the reticule or sights on someone's head and putting rounds in.

Remember, you cannot aim, you must hit.
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nuh uh dude. If its a hostage situation, safety of hostages is no.1 priority. Thus shoot to kill on the head is always the best option. Snipers shoot heads cause the body will not react after the brain gets shot.
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post Apr 29 2008, 12:14 PM

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Yeah sure....he pilot it faster than the radar/computer can track it. How you expect me to believe that. Even supersonic jets can be detected on radar. You saying he moving at speed of light? And remember Code Geass' radar system is quite advanced.


I though Rollo Knightmare can do somesort of teleportation as demo in the second episode. Where it can sneak past Kallen and That dude and head straight to Lelouch.

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post Apr 29 2008, 12:19 PM

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rollo's geass is based on the theory of relativity. The sphere created by the geass stop time but the outside time is still running. Or sunrise really did make a mistake in the plot...
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post Apr 29 2008, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Apr 29 2008, 12:14 PM)
I though Rollo Knightmare can do somesort of teleportation as demo in the second episode. Where it can sneak past Kallen and That dude and head straight to Lelouch.
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That's his Geass ability lah.....which is to shut down people's mind so it would seem like he teleported when all he did is just move to another side. But seems Goro or Sunrise has screwed up and couldn't decide between time stop ability or mind stop ability.
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post Apr 29 2008, 01:41 PM

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Its not time stop anymore since he can't stop bullets.
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post Apr 29 2008, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Apr 29 2008, 01:41 PM)
Its not time stop anymore since he can't stop bullets.
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hahahah, intro matrix into geass again no la.
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post Apr 29 2008, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Apr 29 2008, 12:14 PM)
I though Rollo Knightmare can do somesort of teleportation as demo in the second episode. Where it can sneak past Kallen and That dude and head straight to Lelouch.
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IIRC he hax at piloting Vincent class, as with in the Lost Colours PS2 game. Remember that when he did the movements, they showed the innards of the vincent working overtime.

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post Apr 29 2008, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(wolfx @ Apr 29 2008, 12:13 PM)
Suffocation and getting your brain blown to bits are two entirely different things altogether you know?
nuh uh dude. If its a hostage situation, safety of hostages is no.1 priority. Thus shoot to kill on the head is always the best option. Snipers shoot heads cause the body will not react after the brain gets shot.
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Snipers aren't always there you know. Hence why they use double-taps instead of full-auto fire. No way you're going to hit a pineapple shaped object(aka human head) from 150-200 years with iron sights in a urban environment with the suspect moving a lot.

Anyway, if it were me, I'd take a .50cal Barrett and shoot the guy's arm. Less chance he can regenerate and pick up his weapon and BANZAIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ Apr 29 2008, 03:25 PM)
Snipers aren't always there you know. Hence why they use double-taps instead of full-auto fire. No way you're going to hit a pineapple shaped object(aka human head) from 150-200 years with iron sights in a urban environment with the suspect moving a lot.

Anyway, if it were me, I'd take a .50cal Barrett and shoot the guy's arm. Less chance he can regenerate and pick up his weapon and BANZAIIIIIIIIIIIIII!
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CQB.... there's no 150 yards unless you're a sniper outside the building. And don't worry, they are all trained to aim your head and put 3 rounds into it instantly if you are deemed armed and dangerous. And hostage situation no snipers? Yeah right. Then they fail as a special forces.

But anyway that's not the point. Back to Code Geass, the point is if you shoot a guy if assumingly only his mind stopped....he's sure to at least suffer some blowback from the gun if he's not dead since Rollo's geass does not affect physical phenomenon. So that means....

1.) bullets work in the fuzetsu....
2.) bullets have kinetic energy and when they hit the target, the target should stagger.
3.) target should keel over and die if killed even in the geass as his brain is no longer alive.
4.) If the stupid clock in the secret base still works, there's no reason why the radar doesn't work.

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post Apr 29 2008, 06:50 PM

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post Apr 29 2008, 06:53 PM

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by the way, this story is fiction..
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post Apr 29 2008, 09:40 PM

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the whole setup of the city which has a basement control is meant for zero to destroy britannia. laugh.gif looks how he killed those brit armies on just some geass control...
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post Apr 30 2008, 01:57 AM

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Perhaps Brittania shouldnt use the computer basement in the Japan settlement anymore...if not, Zero will solo them with his Basement Attack.
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post Apr 30 2008, 02:34 AM

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They should make code geass with GTA feature, with open box gameplay, you can even do anything..
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post Apr 30 2008, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(wolfx @ Apr 29 2008, 12:24 AM)
Hmmm ep 4 made some major "WTF" for me. 1stly, no reason why Lelouch shouldn't Geass Rollo right after he turned around. Instead of troublesome "hmmm shall emo f*** him to see if he joins me...if not...sniper will kill him". And i call bullshit on the "if i kill rollo the intelligence agency will suspect me". I'm sure he can stage a "accident" or something or even hide the body.

2ndly, Rollo's geass.....i think Sunrise did a major f*ck up on this. Ep 4 reveals his geass stops people's perception of time. This is all cool and dandy since geass is supposed to mind f*ck you....but here's the thing. Ep2, the computers of the knightmare tracking the Vincent said "Target Lost". Wtf? Even computer's minds gets f***ed by the Geass?

Also since the geass just affects the mind and not physical phenomenon, wouldn't the people in the mecha feel like their mecha is losing balance because their mind gets time stopped but actually their big mecha is still moving. So it won't seem like the Vincent teleported per se.

And next scene that throws the whole geass out the window....during the assasination flashbacks....Rollo shoots his victims while they are Geassed. Now if its all just *(#@ in the mind....they should drop dead then and there....but they are still standing there as if its time stopped. The flashbacks never show the victims coming out of time stop and dying though. So its like wtf...Rollo is a shinobi....stop time, shoot ppl, then restart time....they all fall dead. LOL?

Dunno...maybe Lelouch's interpretation of Rollo's geass is wrong but otherwise there's too much discrepancies with his power right now.
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too many plot holes indeed lol.

based on your post which covers some of things i wanted to point out and more:

isnt lulu's geass perma activated? why isnt rolo gayassed? rolo got anti geass? rolo was gayassed? ...???

you mentioned about rolo's gayass mindfarking mechs/computers, but based on lulu's camera recordings, it isnt the case, it still runs as normal. wtf is it exactly?

as you mentioned bout the mechs, supposedly it only stops a person's perspective of time and not exactly time stop, AND he also mentioned about unable to stop physical phenomenon, why is he able to teleport? because if it only stops a person's time perspective, their relative mechs SHOULD be moving, and rolo would be in no way, seemingly teleporting to them.

code geass, those that watched season1, i believe we've all had the "wow" moments and all, season2, sigh. unless they step up and stop cramming out those rediculous plot holes, this is getting old really fast.


Added on April 30, 2008, 9:21 am
QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 29 2008, 03:22 AM)
I already said it in previous post. Rollo's Knightmare piloting skills >>>> anyone else. It has NOTHING to do with his geass. He just can pilot it faster than anyone else candepends. A person may fall down after he was shot because the mind shuts down because of the pain, but when there is no pain in the beginning as the mind is already shut down? And besides, he is still not dead yet when the Geass was turned off. It will took a while for a person to die even if he was headshot. thus in theory, the mind jumpstarted after the geass, founds out the body is FUBAR and shuts down
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mind/body part i have no say in that as it is entirely possible to not die even with a head shot. in fact, there are medical cases of people SURVIVING after a head shot where the bullet is extracted from the brain and the patient living.

as wolf mentioned, rolo's skills aside, it still does not justify him TELEPORTING, and suddenly became UNTRACEBLE from radar. unless somehow they explained in later episodes that the vincent has cloak/radar jamming technology doh.gif doh.gif


Added on April 30, 2008, 9:23 am
QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Apr 29 2008, 10:52 AM)
doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif introducing facts into anime, do u guys know logic and anime do not go to gather? Maybe other than Gits.......
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actually, anime nowadays do incorporate a lot of facts, even more so in sci-fi related series, and code geass would fall into such categories. (minus the geass part i suppose)


Added on April 30, 2008, 9:25 am
QUOTE(redeye84 @ Apr 29 2008, 12:14 PM)
I though Rollo Knightmare can do somesort of teleportation as demo in the second episode. Where it can sneak past Kallen and That dude and head straight to Lelouch.
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and he doesnt teleport with an incoming sniper rocket to his face? durrr...


Added on April 30, 2008, 9:29 am
QUOTE(wolfx @ Apr 29 2008, 04:17 PM)
CQB.... there's no 150 yards unless you're a sniper outside the building. And don't worry, they are all trained to aim your head and put 3 rounds into it instantly if you are deemed armed and dangerous.  And hostage situation no snipers? Yeah right. Then they fail as a special forces.

But anyway that's not the point. Back to Code Geass, the point is if you shoot a guy if assumingly only his mind stopped....he's sure to at least suffer some blowback from the gun if he's not dead since Rollo's geass does not affect physical phenomenon. So that means....

1.) bullets work in the fuzetsu....
2.) bullets have kinetic energy and when they hit the target, the target should stagger.
3.) target should keel over and die if killed even in the geass as his brain is no longer alive.
4.) If the stupid clock in the secret base still works, there's no reason why the radar doesn't work.
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lol fuzetsu now? way to go shana doh.gif


Added on April 30, 2008, 9:30 am
QUOTE(kyon22 @ Apr 29 2008, 06:53 PM)
by the way, this story is fiction..
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fiction or not, bad plot is still bad. they seriously gotta get their act together and decide wtf to do with rolo's geass. time stop, or mind stop. w/e it is, decide one either one and stick with it, and ill probably try to ignore the screw ups they've done with ep1-4


Added on April 30, 2008, 9:32 am
QUOTE(riku2replica @ Apr 29 2008, 09:40 PM)
the whole setup of the city which has a basement control is meant for zero to destroy britannia. laugh.gif looks how he killed those brit armies on just some geass control...
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surprise no one even mentioned this yet even myself.

you totally have the spot on right there thumbup.gif
didnt ANYONE noticed that somehow the entire area 11 is CONVENIENTLY built in the way that zero can destroy it with just a gayassed personel to destroy the ground structure?

this sure is getting old really REALLY fast

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post Apr 30 2008, 10:04 AM

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I don't mind really. I watch this not because of the reality, just for the Lelouch mindf*** and Karen's fanservice. Heck, many animes are not realistic. Look at Toshokan sensou. Some ppl said it's not logical (points at stormy) but many ppl like it including me.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 30 2008, 10:04 AM)
I don't mind really. I watch this not because of the reality, just for the Lelouch mindf*** and Karen's fanservice. Heck, many animes are not realistic. Look at Toshokan sensou. Some ppl said it's not logical (points at stormy) but many ppl like it including me.
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for me it depends on the genre/type of the anime, for something like say, sayonara zetsubou sensei, definitely logics and realism wouldnt fit in at all. or maybe the likes of .hack sign/roots per say. but geass would be something in a more serious manner, which to me would demand a more serious tone and thus require more realism.

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just to clarify said logics or realism can mean differently based on one's definitions. my personal definition is that, for example, if rolo's geass is to stop a person's mind, keep it that way. and not plot hole it here and there. realism/logics that is predefined within said anime.

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And ppl say gundam is serious...

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