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kokjin99
post Mar 9 2008, 09:38 PM, updated 18y ago

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Hi,

I would like to report I have been cheated by a seller called my_oaks. I bought a oakley large metal case from him, upon when i received the item, it already have scratches and I took pic and show proof. Since the seller said no stock, and i ask for change to other type, but in the end i was accused of swapping, and said that i took the pic from somewhere else. He keep accused me that i m spammer and cheated. Pls help. Thanks


Added on March 9, 2008, 9:40 pm
QUOTE(kokjin99 @ Mar 9 2008, 09:38 PM)
Hi,

I would like to report I have been cheated by a seller called my_oaks. I bought a oakley large metal case from him, upon when i received the item, it already have scratches and I took pic and show proof. Since the seller said no stock, and i ask for change to other type, but in the end i was accused of swapping, and said that i took the pic from somewhere else. He keep accused me that i m spammer and cheated. Pls help. Thanks
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Hello, I have decided that i will not accept your return.

I am convinced that is an old picture. you also have an ebay id 'kokjin99' from which i saw this same item long time ago. i did not forget.

i believe you are just trying to swap in the first place.

so if you return, i will not offer any refund

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i still stand that ive seen the picture before, so i can only refund you rm 3.
if you still return out of your will, i will decide how much to refund


Hey bro, pls stop accused me anymore, if u wan other proof just tell me, i can show to u, if u wan me take more pic just let me know. I never took the pic from other place.


i never said you took the pic from another place, if you return it obviously it must have the same damages.
im just saying youve had that all along and want to 'swap' it with the new one i sent you.

however i have a method of determining whether the one you send back to me is indeed the same one i sent to you, so we will see.

as i said, i will refund you according to my will, if i believe u tried to 'swap' it.

that pic is an old pic, ive seen it before, you probly tried to sell it off before.


I dun understand by ur will? meaning u can return any amount u like? Well, i really fed up with the accused that you hav said, pls just show proof i tried to sell off ok, pls do it, and post it in the forum and let all ppl know, pls do it, thanks you very much.


its a long time ago, why would i save your listing?
anyway as mentioned you can try sending back, i can determine whether its the same one or not. if im wrong i will apologize later. if not, well we'll see


pls stated the amount tat u going to refund after minus out the shipping, so that they wont be any misunderstanding!!!


IF you are right, i might refund you full or minus rm 8. we will see


OK I will send to u ASAP, and let u know the tracking no.
ALL LYN FORUMER PLS BE AWARE, DUN DEAL WIF THIS DISHONEST SELLER, IF U DUN BELIEVE ME, YOU CAN ALWAYS CHECK WIF ME OR REQUIRED ME PROVIDE ANY PROOF, I WILL DO THAT!!!!

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=626114&hl=

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post Mar 9 2008, 10:49 PM

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Try to see if anybody that bought item from him got same problem with you.. Maybe its a mishandling issue by postage.. nod.gif
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post Mar 9 2008, 10:52 PM

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I bought Juliet with ruby lens,ducati monster dog,gascan and couple of lens from him.Everythings going smooth.Even i dont put deposit money at him for order.He deliver my items on time and he even do c.o.d.So far i got no problems with him.All my items are new n no scratch or marks.Its all new..unless he stated that the items is Used laa..

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post Mar 9 2008, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(InnerMax @ Mar 9 2008, 10:49 PM)
Try to see if anybody that bought item from him got same problem with you.. Maybe its a mishandling issue by postage.. nod.gif
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Well I dun think so, coz the item come with it own oakley box, then outside is a big box, both box is in good condition. I suspect the original item already like tat. The item is called oakley large metal case, i can even felt the scratches surface wif my finger.


Added on March 9, 2008, 10:58 pm
QUOTE(flameboy3 @ Mar 9 2008, 10:52 PM)
I bought Juliet with ruby lens,ducati monster dog,gascan and couple of lens from him.Everythings going smooth.Even i dont put deposit money at him for order.He deliver my items on time and he even do c.o.d.So far i got no problems with him.
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I m glad that u dun hav any problems wif him. But seems my luck not wif me this time. At first was very good, he intends to refund, but i really dun understand why in the end he kept accusing me that i try to cheat him. He kept saying that he saw the pic that I posted b4 in ebay but cant proof it, and i DARE to tell u, I NEVER sell or list anything items in ebay, i just bought items from there only. Well maybe we hav some misunderstanding, but I REALLY DUN LIKE PPL TO ACCUSE ME!!!!

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post Mar 9 2008, 11:04 PM

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Warranty: However we cannot offer warranties. Our price is good enough. Say that if your item does encounter issues later on, whether its manufacturers fault or if your dog ate it or you ran over it, we can give reasonable discount for replacement (for standard models). However our supplier makes sure the item is in tip-top shape before sending it to us.


Well its clearly states here the warranty.. Anyway, you could make some kind of agreement with him that could benefit both of you.. sweat.gif
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post Mar 9 2008, 11:11 PM

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Ok..come on.I think both of you can figure out something to settle this matter la.



Btw,if im not mistaken the metal case got calar2 n scratch due to the design.Coz i saw it in KLCC long time ago la,that time the case is still hot in the market..the metal case surface is rough n got scratch here and there.The promoter told me the design like that.. blush.gif ..the design is so ganas...hehe.

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kokjin99
post Mar 9 2008, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(flameboy3 @ Mar 9 2008, 11:11 PM)
Ok..come on.I think both of you can figure out something to settle this matter la.
Btw,if im not mistaken the metal case got calar2 n scratch due to the design.Coz i saw it in KLCC long time ago la,that time the case is still hot in the market..the metal case surface is rough n got scratch here and there.The promoter told me the design like that.. blush.gif ..the design is so ganas...hehe.
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Yes i know the design it like tat, but there are 2 places at the case where i can clearly see the scratches like penknife and i can felt it, do u think the design also like tat?
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post Mar 9 2008, 11:16 PM

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Hmm..that one dunno la hmm.gif ..have no idea.
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post Mar 9 2008, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(kokjin99 @ Mar 9 2008, 11:13 PM)
Yes i know the design it like tat, but there are 2 places at the case where i can clearly see the scratches like penknife and i can felt it, do u think the design also like tat?
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u cant see it ,tats the problem, if possible go n buy personally,dun be shy...next time.
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post Mar 9 2008, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(InnerMax @ Mar 9 2008, 11:04 PM)
Well its clearly states here the warranty.. Anyway, you could make some kind of agreement with him that could benefit both of you..  sweat.gif
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Ya I just found out the warranty terms. As previously I posted to inquiry the items in other seller topic, but i received a PM from this seller, so i never really go and read the warranty terms. So it's my mistake again i think. But FYI, when i received the item alr like tat, still consider new item?


Added on March 9, 2008, 11:20 pm
QUOTE(dantck @ Mar 9 2008, 11:17 PM)
u cant see it ,tats the problem, if possible go n buy personally,dun be shy...next time.
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Ya you are rite, I think nex time we should all just go buy from shop directly or just strictly COD. Buying item by postage really have the risks.

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post Mar 9 2008, 11:25 PM

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Yup..thats why i only buy from people do c.o.d...Senang,we can reject if the items got rosak or anything.Than 2nd time if you really trust the seller than you can do posatage.
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post Mar 9 2008, 11:49 PM

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This guy receives item near noon, posted pictures at 6.13 pm.

however the pics show that it is dark outside behind the blinds. wow, penang 6.13 already so dark like nighttime?

furthermore this guy has tried to sell the same item on ebay a loong time ago, i remember seeing it b4.
he posted from photobucket site when he couldve just attached it.

(photobucket can be used to store pictures displayed in ebay listings for free as external source)

this guy just trying to scam to change his old item with brand new one. the one i sent him even has brand new smell, he knows that since its with him.

I sell on ebay for awhile now and have perfect record so far even from international sellers.

i sold the metal case to this guy real cheap and i wouldnt jeopardize my own image name for something small like this.
its just a matter of principle that i know hes lying and trying to scam me.

he has an ebay id as well same name, kokjin99

i am very upfront when dealing with him, if im not mistaken i told him ive got a few cases, but only the metal vault is perfectly brand new, the others are my own personal usage (except for x-metal vault but different story).

anyhow his mistake in putting the picture up too early is his own undoing. old pic took at nighttime posted at 6.13pm before its dark and on the same day received.
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post Mar 9 2008, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(my_oaks @ Mar 9 2008, 11:49 PM)
This guy receives item near noon, posted pictures at 6.13 pm.

however the pics show that it is dark outside behind the blinds. wow, penang 6.13 already so dark like nighttime?

furthermore this guy has tried to sell the same item on ebay a loong time ago, i remember seeing it b4.
he posted from photobucket site when he couldve just attached it.

(photobucket can be used to store pictures displayed in ebay listings for free as external source)

this guy just trying to scam to change his old item with brand new one. the one i sent him even has brand new smell, he knows that since its with him.

I sell on ebay for awhile now and have perfect record so far even from international sellers.

i sold the metal case to this guy real cheap and i wouldnt jeopardize my own image name for something small like this.
its just a matter of principle that i know hes lying and trying to scam me.

he has an ebay id as well same name, kokjin99

i am very upfront when dealing with him, if im not mistaken i told him ive got a few cases, but only the metal vault is perfectly brand new, the others are my own personal usage (except for x-metal vault but different story).

anyhow his mistake in putting the picture up too early is his own undoing. old pic took at nighttime posted at 6.13pm before its dark and on the same day received.
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Dear seller, if u wanna know why pg so dark yest, maybe other LYN forumer from pg can told u this, it was a rainy day in the evening. I alr kept mention to you, YES I HAVE AN ID IN EBAY, same ID AS HERE, I even using it to create my photobucket yest at 6 something b4 I posted in ur topic. You kept saying i listed it b4, can u pls PROOF it b4 ACCUSED ME!!!!!

Btw your imagination is damm good also!!!!


Added on March 10, 2008, 12:10 am
QUOTE(kokjin99 @ Mar 9 2008, 11:56 PM)
Dear seller, if u wanna know why pg so dark yest, maybe other LYN forumer from pg can told u this, it was a rainy day in the evening.  I alr kept mention to you, YES I HAVE AN ID IN EBAY, same ID AS HERE, I even using it to create my photobucket yest at 6 something b4 I posted in ur topic. You kept saying i listed it b4, can u pls PROOF it b4 ACCUSED ME!!!!!

Btw your imagination is damm good also!!!!
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Dear seller if got anything pls write it here dun sent me personal msg. Now I can very sure YOU ARE DAMM CHEATER. PLS REFUND!!!

QUOTE(my_oaks@personal msg)
you know its brand new lar dude. its even got that brand new smell. go ahead and test, u know im right.

i already sold to you damn cheap wanna tipu summore.

and we both know im right that youve listed this item in ebay b4.

think u can con and swap with your own damaged item then blame me kar? heh just ur luck i know your game and seen your pics b4. backfire big time dude

i dont care if no more buyers from Lyn, i wont stoop when i know youre lying.
PLS BEWARE ALL LYN FORUMER!!!!!

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Finally I know how to post pic as attachment in this forum, thanks to you my_oaks. The pic hopefully can show u tat i not taking the pic from any other places!!! STOP ACCUSING ME!!!



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post Mar 10 2008, 08:22 AM

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as per the terms stated, refund or replacement was never offered.
you are invited to purchase another though at a discounted price.

(meh.. that doesnt prove a thing, i still think youre a cheat)
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QUOTE(my_oaks @ Mar 9 2008, 11:49 PM)
This guy receives item near noon, posted pictures at 6.13 pm.

however the pics show that it is dark outside behind the blinds. wow, penang 6.13 already so dark like nighttime?
Weather?

furthermore this guy has tried to sell the same item on ebay a loong time ago, i remember seeing it b4.
he posted from photobucket site when he couldve just attached it.

(photobucket can be used to store pictures displayed in ebay listings for free as external source)
Looooog time ago but the photobucket account in question is only created on 8th March 2008, as proofed by buyer.
Care to explain this?
A link to the ebay listing would be good.


this guy just trying to scam to change his old item with brand new one. the one i sent him even has brand new smell, he knows that since its with him.
He owned a same thing? Got proof? An ebay listing link would be good.

I sell on ebay for awhile now and have perfect record so far even from international sellers.
Does not mean anything. Take strongbaby for example.

i sold the metal case to this guy real cheap and i wouldnt jeopardize my own image name for something small like this.
its just a matter of principle that i know hes lying and trying to scam me.
Got any proof that he is lying and trying to scam u?

he has an ebay id as well same name, kokjin99
Yes everybody would like to use the same userID and password to login to various website for convinion purposes. Does this proof anything?
Can you proof that he has listed the same thing in ebay BEFORE he bought it from you?


i am very upfront when dealing with him, if im not mistaken i told him ive got a few cases, but only the metal vault is perfectly brand new, the others are my own personal usage (except for x-metal vault but different story).
Yes because the buyer wanted to buy a NEW unit, now used by seller.

anyhow his mistake in putting the picture up too early is his own undoing. old pic took at nighttime posted at 6.13pm before its dark and on the same day received.
What mistake? I cant see any mistake?
Can enlighten me?

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Buyer has some proof.
Seller do u have any proof?
If no proof, the seller can only ACCUSE buyer.
Since this is only accusition not actual fact, therefore I suggest seller to refund or show some proof to defend himself.
Else, I suggest a dispute tag to be given to seller.


Added on March 10, 2008, 3:18 pm
QUOTE(my_oaks @ Mar 10 2008, 08:22 AM)
as per the terms stated, refund or replacement was never offered.
you are invited to purchase another though at a discounted price.

(meh.. that doesnt prove a thing, i still think youre a cheat)
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This is what u THINK.
Please do not assume anything.
Please show some proof.
Else, plz refund buyer as you have sold defective item to buyer.

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post Mar 10 2008, 08:54 PM

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Back to kokjin99,

I am certain now that is an old pic, ive seen it in ebay before where you tried to sell it under your ebay id 'kokjin99' as well.

i believe you just bought it in first place to swap it. also logic suggests that if you took picture daytime, the blinds would not show its dark night at 6.13pm.

i believe you are a scammer.


Bro, as u can see for kokjin99 feedback
http://feedback.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ck&myworld=true

He just buy stuff from ebay, not sell..

and if he is really using photobucket to upload image to ebay, wouldn`t the old images still be in the album?
http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh201/kokjin99/

but from the album, theres just the two photo that he take from the metal vault.
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post Mar 10 2008, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(my_oaks @ Mar 10 2008, 08:22 AM)
as per the terms stated, refund or replacement was never offered.
you are invited to purchase another though at a discounted price.

(meh.. that doesnt prove a thing, i still think youre a cheat)
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You are not selling NEW ITEM. So your terms is VOID!!!! Dun think, just REFUND CHEATER!!!!!


Added on March 11, 2008, 11:40 pmCan moderator pls blacklist this seller? Thanks

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post Mar 11 2008, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Mar 10 2008, 03:15 PM)
Buyer has some proof.
Seller do u have any proof?
If no proof, the seller can only ACCUSE buyer.
Since this is only accusition not actual fact, therefore I suggest seller to refund or show some proof to defend himself.
Else, I suggest a dispute tag to be given to seller.



Added on March 10, 2008, 3:18 pm
This is what u THINK.
Please do not assume anything.
Please show some proof.
Else, plz refund buyer as you have sold defective item to buyer.
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what proof lar? the pictures an easily be taken from his old own case. cant proof he took it on same day. i know its brand new, tell me how can he prove its not brand new? is it possible that its that way when i got it?
is it also possible for someone to purposely buy something that he already has (but damaged) to make use of the opportunity to change and scam the seller?

the onus is on him to prove otherwise.

QUOTE(magazine @ Mar 10 2008, 08:54 PM)
Bro, as u can see for kokjin99 feedback
http://feedback.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ck&myworld=true

He just buy stuff from ebay, not sell..

and if he is really using photobucket to upload image to ebay, wouldn`t the old images still be in the album?
http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh201/kokjin99/

but from the album, theres just the two photo that he take from the metal vault.
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yes yes he got negative feedback also that i suspect he tried to blackmail the seller or else he gives negative feedback. yeah sure he only buy stuff coz the time he tried to sell 'TAK LAKU'.
technicalities, back then i saw the pictures with it, i dont know if its tied to photobucket or whatever, but some sellers use photobuckets and stuff even for 1 pic. (i didnt got into technicalities before that ebay gives 3 free pics uploads, etc etc)

you have a problem with the word 'think'?
then substitute it with 'convinced' / 'im certain' / 'know'.
whatever makes you get the point comprende'?


Added on March 11, 2008, 11:58 pm
QUOTE(kokjin99 @ Mar 9 2008, 11:17 PM)
Ya I just found out the warranty terms. As previously I posted to inquiry the items in other seller topic, but i received a PM from this seller, so i never really go and read the warranty terms. So it's my mistake again i think. But FYI, when i received the item alr like tat, still consider new item?
nuff said

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post Mar 12 2008, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(my_oaks @ Mar 11 2008, 11:56 PM)
what proof lar? the pictures an easily be taken from his old own case. cant proof he took it on same day. i know its brand new, tell me how can he prove its not brand new? is it possible that its that way when i got it?
is it also possible for someone to purposely buy something that he already has (but damaged) to make use of the opportunity to change and scam the seller?

the onus is on him to prove otherwise.
yes yes he got negative feedback also that i suspect he tried to blackmail the seller or else he gives negative feedback. yeah sure he only buy stuff coz the time he tried to sell 'TAK LAKU'.
technicalities, back then i saw the pictures with it, i dont know if its tied to photobucket or whatever, but some sellers use photobuckets and stuff even for 1 pic. (i didnt got into technicalities before that ebay gives 3 free pics uploads, etc etc)

you have a problem with the word 'think'?
then substitute it with 'convinced' / 'im certain' / 'know'.
whatever makes you get the point comprende'?


Added on March 11, 2008, 11:58 pm

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U know it's brand new??? How can u proof it? BASED ON YOUR BIG MOUTH AGAIN??? IF BRAND NEW CAN HAVE SCRATCHES??? At the time when I received it, I already inform you. WHY SHOULD I CON U??? Remember you are the one that PM me said wanna sell me item OK!!!! You CON ME OR I CON U???? DAMM CHEATER!!!! JUST JOIN LYN 1 MONTH, ALR WANNA CON PPL!!!! TAK RASA MALU KE!!!

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post Mar 12 2008, 12:05 AM

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read the whole thing and try to understand again the possible scenarios.
but not that it matters coz im convinced you're the fraud here. want to change your own damaged item with my brand new good one

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