To All Proton Perdana Owners,

Please share some of your experience about your car here.....



This post has been edited by cyleong: Mar 26 2008, 04:30 PM

this car is powerful, but lags at D

hihi... first post oledi promote ur own site... no good leh like dat.... later kena warning...

btw, we know about v-sixers long time ago lor... dun worry, u guys aint invisible...

I drove a converted v6 before and it really rocks..A converted Manual transmission but forgotten what type of engine

Perdana V6 worth to get in 2nd hand and mod it. My friend bought a 2nd hand Perdana around Rm55k and transplant into 4g63T engine. Look awesome!!!

hope to see a new V6 from Proton in the near future

v6? v8 lah!!

driving one...got a used unit...had some minor repairs done when i got it and it's now my pride and joy...

used to drive a honda vtec b18c before...i guess i prefer this v6 more...dunno why...maybe getting old and just wanna cruise in an auto, tired of manual already

my only problem is that the bumper is made of fiber...knock on something sure pecah one...thinking of changing it to a PU model soon...anyone got any good deals for this (the alfa model)?

so yeah all u v6ers...let's talk about this beauty (or beast?) here!

hi guys,

actually v6 is a good car n worth 2 buy... hope 2 get one soon..

free bump for this nice car....

This post has been edited by jimmy8286: Mar 9 2008, 09:23 PM

hi catacombs,

nice to meet u... btw, i'm so sorry for promote my club website here. Hope to get an apology from u all guys.

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Added on March 9, 2008, 9:35 pmFirst of all, thank you very much for support this thread... hope u all can share more experience about Perdana V6.

Btw, mind to contribute your rider's photo here, let us share some idea of your ride...thankssss alot..!!!

This post has been edited by cyleong: Mar 9 2008, 09:35 PM

just asking, how much is it to convert it to a manual?? and twin turbo?

hey i'm thinking to get a v6 next month.can tell me the FC of this car??i heard it worst than 4G63t

Hi Shawnzz....

well, ur car now is V6NA? Instead of convert to manual trans, better u just transplant ur engine to TTurbo....

manual GB will cost u, if not mistaken is more than 2k++

TT engine c/w manual GB cost around 4.5k++ ..... some more can kepishhhh......

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Added on March 10, 2008, 12:27 pmwell, it's depend on how u drive also laa.... High Speed/Power , High Fuel onsumption laaa

averagely for V6 NA is around 19 cents to 22 cents
V6 Twin Turbo around 23 cents to 26 cents

with fine tuning ......

4G63T donno laa, bro. will let u know when i get the info....

This post has been edited by cyleong: Mar 10 2008, 12:27 PM

He sed V-sixers...that mean V6! i didnt know 4g63 is v6 engine... so..ur experience cant be accepted.

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Added on March 10, 2008, 6:14 pmhaha..no lah..it depends on ur foot...how heavy is ur foot.

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Added on March 10, 2008, 6:21 pmanyway, from my experience..(my dad have been driving v6 for several years..from old v6 to..enhance version). Fortunately never got into any gearbox problem...if got also no need to worry..(government car)..no need to spend money to repair or replace it. The car is quite good..even tho it feels a bit heavy especially when accelerate...but u can feel the power when u step on the accelerator(the engine sound is also nice...)..smooth and steady on highway. The only things i dont like is passenger leg&head room, no air bag and the acceleration..(0-100kmh in 13sec for 140+hp car..too slow!)

This post has been edited by theanswer: Mar 10 2008, 06:21 PM

yupp...see how heavy your foot lah...and it's soo easy to reach 100km+ with even a v6 na engine...

if at 100kmh and the rpm is near to 3000rpm...ok or not? - i mean in terms of economy fuel usage

if at 100km/h, then its okay~~

My 1.6 auto Wira at OD gear is at 2.5k at 100km/h

btw -

is it advisable to use open pod air filter for my auto v6? Will i feel a big difference in torque / bhp improvements?

Coz i'm really afraid if installing it would increase fuel consumption too much...

And if ok...say with a K&N type...what size would u guys recommend?

my uncle juz bought a 2nd hand v6, 2005 model, the one wit the stupid alfa grill.. i jumped out at the moment went my auntie drove it my house one day n gave me the car keys 2 take it out 4 a spin.. i really like the revised interior, a blend of luxury but kinda sporty at the same time.. the steering wheel also feels nice.. the seats r superb, really comfortable.. the driving position could be better, but its kinda ok 4 me..

the engine sounds kinda weird when u start it, kinda like a whining sound.. but on the road it feels really smooth n effortless.. acceleration feels kinda slow, maybe coz its quite heavy, but when get it up 2 speed, it feels really smooth n quiet.. comfortable too.. love 2 drive this car on long journeys..

the only downsides r, no airbags, still using old school instrumental panel wit analog odometer, although i do like the red motive, feels like a bimmer, no trip computer, n the GB have a reputation 2 kaput at a very early age.. but according 2 my uncle, the newer batch doesnt have this prob anymore coz theyve installed ATF cooler on it already..

overall, it rocks!! i like it!!

cool review.

anyone know where to install atf cooler for not so expensive a price?? i heard can get it done for around rm300...but not sure where.

just feel like installing one as a precaution....

well, for me, i can say it is good to use the open pod... sure u fell the difference coz the air flow direct into ur engine.

coz i using blitz open pod ( metal )

please see below...maybe can help u all....

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Induction Kit Review
One of the first modifications done to the Skyline is to fit an induction kit to rid the engine of the restrictive stock air box, which helps the engine breathe more easily. This is a very simple modification, and there are many different induction kits available. The next question is, "Which one is best?". This article relates to the 4 most popular kits available, being HKS, Apexi, Blitz and K & N.


What are the benefits of an Induction Kit?
The primary function of an Induction Kit is to clean the air before it enters the engine, but also to provide better air flow to improve the engines power output. The power output of an engine is proportional to the volume of air it can ingest at any given time, assuming that the fuelling is also set up correctly. The most minute restriction in the air induction system will cause an engine's optimum power output to drop. Maintaining optimum, unrestricted air flow becomes a problem when the air must pass through a filter element. There are many different designs of filters on the market, and each manufacturer will make claims that their design is more effective than their competitors. Generally, the greater the air flow restriction, the greater the power loss. Therefore, the ultimate acheivement is to choose as filter that will flow as much air as possible, witthout sacrificing filtration efficiency.


Blitz Sus Filter
The BLITZ 'Sus' Power air filters are made from T304 stainless steel which is totally unique to Blitz. The entire filtration element is made from a fine stainless steel mesh which means the filters never wear out and Blitz claim they have substantially less restriction than any other filter. Some of the other aftermarket filters are made from paper or foam elements, and some do require oiling to maintain their filtration capacity. According to Blitz, this oil gradually disperses into the inlet tracts of an engine, and coats the walls and in particular the air flow sensor, slowly reducing the performance of the vehicle. The Blitz air filters also have the same fine mesh in the top of the filter, which improves the amount of air they can flow, and because the element is 100% metallic, Blitz claim the induction note it produces is similar to a Touring car or group 'A' rally car.

Blitz Claim:
"The Blitz air filter is by far the best performing and best looking automotive air filter money can buy..."


HKS Mega Flow Filters
HKS state that engine power is directly related to the amount of air an engine can take in and expel. Therefore, one of the easiest and least expensive ways to increase the horsepower of any engine is to improve the airflow into the cylinders. However, many products in the marketplace sacrifice air filtration capability for improved air flow characteristics. HKS claim that their High Performance Air Filter Systems offer the ultimate in both air filtration and air flow for maximum engine performance. The elements use a special oil to stop unwanted dirt particles from passing through the multi-layer polyurethane filter. Filters are thrown away when their lifetime has expired and are replaced with new filters, which are inexpensive and easy to replace.

HKS Claim:
"The ultimate in both air filtration and air flow for maximum engine performance..."


Apexi Power Intake Filter
The Apexi dual funnel Power Intake has evolved from the Apexi Super Intake filter with some subtle refinements in the design and filter element. According to Apexi, this resulted in a 10% reduction in pressure drop by utilizing an upper and lower funnel. The Power Intake reduces air turbulence within the filter and creates smooth air flow into the throttle body. Maintenance is kept to a minimum as this filter is a dry-type air filter and will alleviate the problem of filter oil from "wet" air cleaners, interfering with the air-flow meter.

Apexi Claim:
"Accept No Imitations..."


K & N Filtercharger
K & N use their own unique design unlike others which use a conventional paper or foam material. K & N state that because the dirt particles are trapped inside the passages of foam or paper filters, that they eventually clog, and when this occurs, airflow restriction increases dramatically. The K & N Filtercharger uses a special cotton fabric which is sandwiched between aluminum screen wires. K & N claim that the pleated design provides five times more filtering surface over the element circumference. The filter is then saturated with an air filter oil which attracts particles of dirt and debris which build up on the outside of the filter.

K & N Claim:
"...Doubles the air flow...adds up to 15 extra horsepower..."


How they were tested.
The filters were tested on the quality of the filtration, simulated by using a vacuum cleaner and millions of microscopic dirt particles. The particles that penetrated the air filter, were collected on a secondary paper filter, so that a fair comparison could be performed, and the results could be compared like for like. As well as the fine particle test, the performance gains were also measured using each of the induction kits in the test. Therefore, in the quest to find the ultimate induction kit, the filters must not only filter the particles out efficiently, but must maximize the amount of clean air flow, through the filter. The winner would be the induction kit that filters the most dirt particles, whilst acheiving the maximum power output of the vehicle.


Technical Comparison
Filter Type
Filtration
Maintenance
Cost
BHP Gains

Blitz Sus
Dry Metallic Mesh Type Filter
Poor
Zero Maintenance - Lifetime Use.
£200.00
13.9 bhp


HKS Mega Flow
Wet, Foam type filter.
Very Poor
Throw away. Change Filter every 10,000 Miles. Replacement filters cost around £25.
£200.00
13 bhp


Apexi Power Intake
Dry, Mesh type filter.
Excellent
Zero Maintenance - Lifetime Use.
£200.00
14 bhp


K & N Filtercharger
Wet, Mesh type filter.
Good
Lifetime Usage - Inspect every 30,000 Miles or 12 Months - Clean and re-oil, if appropriate.
£200.00
13 bhp


Conclusion
The comparison clearly shows that the Apexi Power Intake filter wins the test, not only on filtration but also by providing the maximum power gains, with K & N, Blitz and HKS coming in second, third and last, respectively. From a filtration point of view, the photographic evidence shows that various induction kits had poor filtration properties, leaving high levels of dirt and carbon on the paper filters. Any deposits that are allowed through the filters, can potentially cause problems with the Air Flow Meters on the car, which are attached to the ends of the induction pipes. It is a fairly common fault with the Skyline, to 'blow' an A.F.M, and a large amount of carbon can be found coating the sensor in the A.F.M.

It is questionable how accurate the original source of data is, as HKS are proven to sell more induction kits than any one of the others featured in the test, and yet there induction kit rates as the worst kit in the test. This suggests that either HKS rely upon their brand name to sell their 'poorly' manufactured air filters, or that the original Japanese test was nothing more than a PR stunt to promote the lesser known equipment. HKS and Blitz continue to be the best selling induction kits in the UK, and are used by Middlehursts, Hiteq and Abbey Motorsport as their first choice when the induction kit modification is carried out.

One thing that does stand out is the fact that all the induction kits seem to offer similar performance gains, of around 13 - 14 bhp. This would seem consistant with actual power gains that have been confirmed by using a rolling road.

So the question still stands, "Which Induction Kit is the best?". Well, if you can trust the original source of data, then the clear winner is the Apexi Power Intake. For those of you that are more sceptical, the choice is probably more to do with the cosmetic looks of the induction kit, as the performance gains are very much the same.



Important Notes regarding the comparison:
- Extracts of this article have been transcribed from a Japanese article featured in Revspeed Magazine, August 1999.
- The original test was based upon the results found when using filters specifically made to fit the Toyota Supra. However, the filtration is unlikely to differ, as all the filtration materials used are the same for every model of car.
- The cost given for the filters are based on a the kit for an R33 Skyline GTR, except the K & N kit which only currently exists for a Skyline GTS, and are inclusive of VAT.


Original Resource: http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/2/

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Added on March 13, 2008, 1:19 pmcome on... share ur experience!!!!

This post has been edited by cyleong: Mar 13 2008, 01:19 PM