im gonna enrol sunway to study a-levels and it costs like 26k.. n i need to noe does it worth it or should i go to kbu or kdu.. are t lecturers good and stuffs.. i really don wanna waste my parents money cuz im feeling guilty enof.

Where do you live? Ok, Klang. Try INTI subang.

This post has been edited by feynman: Feb 28 2008, 01:01 AM

When it comes to studying , the venue only plays a partial role ,

Lecturers , environment , facilities , and self discipline represents whats needed on the whole to be in a ' Good Studying Environment '

What good does it make if you were to go to sunway and not study .

I am personally from KBU , and I'm not sure of how good or how bad the lecturers are for the A Levels program , But from my point of view , there is no perfect college .. There will never be a time where you will get all great lecturers , or lecturers that you will like if that sounds more towards your taste

Everything has its ups and downs and nothing is perfect , study with an open mind and concentrate on your goal instead of anything else , then I'm sure you will get the biggest bang for your buck

Cheers

take a visit to other colleges & compare with sunway.

their A-level lecturers for science subjects are indeed great, according to my friend. facilities wise are of course well-equiped (that's why you pay so much for it)

but i do believe other colleges' lecturers can be as good as Sunway's, at the end of the day it depends on you yourself, how much effort you would like to put into your studies

How about Taylor's University College? They are really good and popular in their A level studies. I studied SAM in Taylor and i'm not sure about A level fees in taylor, but i truly like taylor's lecturers and their services. I don't feel any regret studying at Taylor b4.

Their lecturers are helpful and professional. Although some might not be able to speak very very very good english, their knowledge on the subject is deep. 1 of my lecturer (maths) always print us extra exercises automatically to let us practice, esp near exam.

Good luck

Edited: Typo

This post has been edited by Axuel: Feb 28 2008, 01:06 AM

A-Levels go HELP College or Taylor's College.

Hi, I was from Sunway, though I didn't take A-lvls, my friends did. One thing about Sunway's A-lvls, compared with Taylors or Help, it's that they have like 200 hundreds students whereas Taylors has 1000+ The students are so many that the lecturers just walk in and out of the classes not knowing who's who. But in Sunway, you get very personal attention from the lecturers, which I personally think it's good.

Other than that, the environment. I personally like Sunway's Environment better than Taylors or Help. I bet you've seen them already. I think you will know why too.

I am sorry if I have offended any Taylorians or Helpians, it's just personal opinions. But when it comes to academic-wise, it really depends on you. Taylors have better results because of their numerous students. Probability, you know?

This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 28 2008, 08:26 AM

Not really. taylor's is really good for pre-u study. its well known nationwide. i can tell u after ur study u will think its worth it though u pay for so much. i studied SAM in taylors and my fren studied A-level. both of us did very well. their lecturer/mentor really care bout u and not like wat mentioned above "walk in n out" only. if u really feel like the lecturer is not good, u can talk to student service centre. their management really good and efficient. they response quickly to ur complain. not like sunway. cos i studied in sunway for prof papers after SAM n i feel tat its not worth it for wat i paid for. their management is so inefficient n S**KS.... Oops.... go to taylor's n u wont regret.

n 1 more thing. taylor's has better result even though got numerous student. this mean tat 90-95% out of 100 got good result. if the lecturer is not good and has numerous student, the probability should be low. if the other college got less students and the probability still low mean tat their academic result really not good.

This post has been edited by Bank: Feb 28 2008, 09:21 AM

i am former taylor SAM student and currently studying at sunway for degree

in my opinion, taylor is more better than sunway(pre-u)
taylor really proffesional in doing pre-U
no doubt on taylor, the best pre-u uni in malaysia

Sunway uni col only famous in it MUFY program, not entire pre-u program
----------taylor very expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

This post has been edited by Oakha: Feb 28 2008, 10:47 AM

I am well aware about Taylor's reputation and also other things because of 90% of my secondary school friends are all there. The "walk in and out" thing is not my personal opinions but their complaints. In fact, many of them. Like I have pointed out, the college's reputation is one thing, your result is another. The college may be so highly reputable, if you don't even work hard, it's not use. So no matter which college you're in, as long as you work, put in effort, you will be well off at least, your results.
After all, A-lvls...does it make any difference taking it in different colleges?

I beg to differ. I was from Taylors, though not Alevels. But anyway, students wise, SAM would probably not lose out to Alevels, so scenario here is more or less the same. From my experience, lecturers don't just walk in and out of the classes. Except for the LAN Studies lecturers, basically all my 5 other lecturers know everyone in class and you do get personal attention if needed.

Environment wise, if you are talking about the overall environment, then yes I agree Sunway is better. But that doesn't include facilities and location. No idea about facilities, but considering the fact that you pay equally as much if not more than Sunway for Taylor's, facilities shouldn't be bad. Location somehow I still prefer Taylor's, it may be hard to find parking in SS15, but to me that's still better than Sunway's parking area where all the workshops are. Personally I feel unsafe there, but well that's just my opinion.

Probability won't be high if your number of successful students ain't high compared to your student population, no?

Er, workshops? We have a huge parking space just right infront of the college with RM2 per entrance. And as far as I know, facilities wise Sunway is definitely better before the new SEGI college because of the sports facilities Sunway has, like indoor badminton court, olympic size swimming pool...

I don't know about taylors, because i don't see them there in the campus. And i just find the environment very packed and messy. Everywhere also shop lots. That's the only thing I don't like about taylors. Other than that, I have nothing against it. I am someone who seeks for a better environment. It's important for me. That's it.

Results wise, I still stand for my belief that lectures or lecturers don't matter. Because I am not that kind of students who listen attentively during lectures or classes. Sometimes i do, when they tell jokes or stories. HAHa..

I was from Sunway, I have not personally seen the interaction between lecturers and students in Taylors, that's what my friends told me. I know my friends from SAM had fun, no complaints. The rest from A-Levels, some complained, some just bears with it, some likes it. So I guess it differs, depending on that individual.



This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 28 2008, 12:36 PM

If you want environment , KBU environment also not bad ..

Anyway, IMO sunway does provide better environment if u prefer the environment. Taylor is a bit packed and not much space for walking. Walking out the main gate and the next thing u see will be shop lots, cars, motorbikes, people. Taylor's don't have badminton court nor basketball court. If u see ppl playing basketball actually tat is the parking space for teachers, just that is past working hours already. But i heard Taylor's now have ping pong table and gym equipment at the Replacement Centre (Opposite Taylor's). Correct me if i'm wrong.

Currently i'm at Monash uni, it is really spacious and wide. But still hvn't get used to such situation, making me like, walking from classroom to the main gate is such a big difference compared to Taylor

But i do agree Taylor's lecturer will pay attention to their students, at least it is in my case. My 5 lecturers know each one of us well and even know our behaviour, and even nicknames! I heard the lecturer themselves will discuss and talk about their students if they know each other are teaching the same class.

Since i'm the one who prefer lecturers more than environment, so i would say Taylor would be my recommendation for my friends next time. Hey, no offence to other colleges ya Just voicing out my opinion

oh well..for alevels i thought ppl wud always suggest HELP...for SUNWAY is really juz popular for their MUFY and the CAT..correct me if im wrong..coz i really dun noe anything bout it...im just a spm leaver who gonna enroll my self to taylor's for SAM 2nd intake... through all the forums and stuffs seldom see tat they will suggest doin A levels in SUNWAY...btw HELP is really popular for its a levels and its london nt cambridge A-levels =) this is juz my opinion

thanks for da information. in that case i guess no worries about gng to sunway college.. so wat abt da fee structure? any1 has any idea for a-levels???.... taylors tooo...

I knew there's a parking space in front of the college, but I had no idea if students' were allowed to park there, even so I doubt it could accomodate most of them, unless the parking space is as huge as the one found in the new Monash campus, then I have nth else to say.

Well I don't deny the fact that taylor's lacks many of those outdoor sports facilities, but I don't see how would that affect your studies in college. Facilities like labs, computers etc on the other hand, are more related and is more likely to affect your studies.

Packed yes, messy, well it depends. I wouldn't say that area is much worse than those found next to sunway college where are the workshops are. In fact those shop lots around taylor's are where you find many varieties of food compared to sunway, there's not without a reason why you get to see quite often many sunway students coming all the way to ss15 during lunch hour.

Hmm probably the scenario is slightly different for a-levels in taylor's then.

dear,

the parking space in front of sunway college is specially for students, and not just that, but the condo also offers parking space for students whereby they can rent the parking space, if im not wrong

LOL.... that place is a bloody 2ndary school

i agree... dont think of anywhere else...

why taylors? they have a very very good track records

why HELP? they offer more $$ to the taylors teachers so a few cabut there...

another option if u have no $$ is TAR...

dont need 2 think of the rest

Okay, my mistake on that part then.

TARC you mean.

You want to do A-levels but don't want to spend a fortune, given Sunway, Taylor's and Inti. Inti is the cheapest. Who cares about the environment? You are only there for 18 months, it's not like you are going to spend 4 years there doing your degree. I find all those arguments about how good is the environment, classroom and all unconvincing. People go to college attend class and go home, who cares if the library is ill-stocked or the basketball court sucks or this or that, after all in A-level, all you need to do to score A is to do lots of exercises, you don't need to do research, you don't need to play basketball. So what's the big deal? If you want to make a decision based on something, then let it base on fees, location(from your house), and to some extend lecturers.



It also is damn blardy cheap.

Does anyone have any feedback 'bout sunway in JB?

There are many coffee shops out there, near the place you call workshops. And students all hang out there. You see many sunway students out there over there, because Taylors and Inti colleges are there. Friends are there. And then most of us drive, because we not only have the parking lots right in front. In fact we have a free one, but further. We can park our cars without worrying our cars being tolled away.

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Added on February 29, 2008, 8:30 amI think that you're being judgemental. This is only a personal point of views. And everyone has their own preferences. So there's no convincing or unconvincing. It's 20k++ per course. So why not CHOOSE?

while some people want to be 100% studious; stuck at home and do a lot of exercises. Some people want to enjoy college life while studying. And this is college, unlike secondary schooll where you are forced to study a lot of facts; join activities; Pre-U or not, we should enjoy. It's college's life!

And these facilities are definitely a bonus when you want to come out and sweat!

This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 29 2008, 08:31 AM

Personal opinion, sunway environment is great compare to any other college, the workshop don't really affect anything about ur studies, they doing their business, u do ur studies. about the parking issue...just come before 8am...u will find plenty of free parking outside the campus, about the lecturer, quite fun actually..coz most of them are foreigner...they really know how to tell joke....about taylor....my friend went there study sam last year...and within 1 year...he pro in playing dota, pool, futsal....good place to enjoy social life...so go taylor lo~

You are wrong. People who do A-level are likely to have a greater goal to achieve. It is either you make it and enter a good university, or fail drastically and end up in some obscure institution. If one places enjoyment and partying as important as academics, one should seriously reconsider one's purpose for doing A-level. Hence all this talk about how good the sporting grounds are or how beautiful a campus is is pretty much pointless. LSE is in the middle of London, would one forgo to the opportunity to go there just because the campus is not beautiful?

It goes to show that many people here have misplaced priorities hence valueless opinions.

Then you are wrong again. To get into good universities, you not only have to be academically good, but actively fit as well. I have friends who spend their time partying, doing a lot of sports every evening with their course mates. And score very well for A-levels that earn them scholarships to overseas reputable universities. It is not pointless. It is only pointless for those who only want to sit down and study, and nothing more. Do i have to emphasize more that it really depends on individual? And since it depends on individual and I also can say that what you've said is pointless as well.



Those who DON'T DO A-levels ARE NOT UNLIKELY to have lower goals to achieve. This statement of yours seem to look down on other pre-u courses. Are you trying to say that taking A-Lvls make you more supreme than the others? What makes you think so?

This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 29 2008, 10:12 AM

blue:
Not if you want to go to the UK or Canada or Australia. Even in the States, being good in athletics will not gain you a place. Being unique on the other hand does and that has got nothing to do with how nice a campus is , or how well a college is equipped.

red:
Did it occur to you that they got it because of their academics alone or because their priorities were their studies? Partying and exercising are just ways to de-stress. Never their priorities.

blue:
Again, misplaced priority. If everybody has the same priority we won't be having this conversation. That said, everyone studying for an a-level, should have the
same priority. That is to do well in it. A-levels only serve one purpose, that is to gain a a place in university. If an individual who intends to do A-level with a goal different from academics, then that individual has misplace his priority. No ifs, no buts, nothing. It is as simple as that.

green:
It is you who thought so, hardly surprising because you are so into the "it depends on the individual" maxim.

This post has been edited by feynman: Feb 29 2008, 10:31 AM

I don't see why people would not think this statemnet is arrogant. Everyone who wants to study, wants to do well. But that doesn't mean just because that person has chosen A-lvls, he or she has a greater goal to achieve. Don't you think that indirectly you're saying people who take other pre-U courses have no great goals compared to those who have chosen A-lvls. If you don't see it, I don't know, I am sorry that your arrogance has covered you up. Because as far as I am concerned, those who have seen this statement thinks it's very arrogant.

Yes, A-lvls do have harder papers and harder syllabus. But having harder papers and harder syllabus don't mean that there are greater goals, and that also certainly don't put those who take A-lvls as people who are supremely smarter and more ambitious.



If you didn't have such perception in your head, you wouldn't even include such statement like this. And yes, I am into the "it depends on the invidual" maxim because our education system has taught us all to fit in, not to be unique. Look at all the competitive schools, teachers neglecting students from the art stream; parents wanting their children to be in science stream...If you have taken your entire education overseas, then good for you.

We're all stuck in a rat race, sometimes being forced to choose what we never want. If we never learn to have our own preferences, we will only be manipulated, becoming into something we don't recognize. So, individuality is actually something very important, especially at a generation like this? When everyone only wants to fit in.

Taking A-lvls is to gain a place in university. So do the other pre-U courses. But that doesn't mean we have misplaced our priorities just because I place it getting a good grades as second and making friends as first? Or having fun as first? So what if I choose the college because it's near my house then only choose A-lvls instead how good the lectures from which colleges are? Does it also mean I have misplaced my priorities? It doesn't matter as long as the end of the day I do well, get a place in a good university..I have already accomplished the entire purpose of taking A-lvls! You only tell those who don't do well that they have misplaced their priorities. So I know I can do well no matter where I go; so I choose colleges with other preferences instead of its academic achievements; am I misplacing my priorities?

This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 29 2008, 12:45 PM

I don't get what you are babbling about and certainly don't know what is your contention. All I have been saying and am now reaffirming is that one who is doing A-level shall have one's utmost priority in academics period. If one have chosen a college based on anything else ie facilities, aesthetics then one has seriously misplaced one's priorities.(that was my first entry) And yes, if you have put academics behind all those things that you have said in the last paragraph, then you have misplace your priorities.

One goes to a college that suits one's budget, preferably close to home and do well in the course. Priority is to do well, facilities and all, secondary. That is my case. So what's your problem? Unhappy because I said all this talk on Sunway having better facilties, taylor's close to come cafes are pointless?

If you want to feel that what i have said earlier on as arrogant, then feel free to do so. No one gives a tosh on how you feel.

This post has been edited by feynman: Feb 29 2008, 12:52 PM

I am not unhappy. But I just don't get it why do you have to set your priorities so strictly? I am just trying to say, taking these courses, it doesnt matter whatever the priorities are, ultimately, you just have to finish it. Get into it, work, play, sports, get a place in university... That's it. Unless you have lotsa $$ to jump around. So I also don't understand what the problem is with you always saying that this is misplacing priorities.

If you're talking about already getting enrolled into certain courses, once you're enrolled, duh... You have to DO WELL, that's your first priority. But hey, we're talking about choosing colleges. And that, a lot of other things have to come into mind... The priorities in different situations and conditions, change. And whether or not you do well, that one, you don't think about it when you choose colleges. Especially you live in another states.

I have the rights to feel and people have the rights not to care. After all, this is a forum. We can voice what we feel and not having to bother whether people care or not, right?

This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 29 2008, 01:11 PM

Yeah, but please read carefully, ENVIRONMENT.
I have 2 friends of mine over there studying engineering. There is a lecturer offer whole different sorts of activities that does not concern the institute at all. Like freesbee and catch the flag. It's a way to gather people and socialize. It's really great fun playing these mini games with them.

About their studies, I can't comment anything about it.

I actually live very near there...
Seriously it's big and nice...
But somehow I haven't really heard people talking about it academically.. =.=

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Added on February 29, 2008, 1:20 pmI have a friend who lives in JB but came down to KL's Sunway to study.
Her reason was: That place s**

Ok, I seriously don't know why. But i guess it's because JB doesnt offer the course she wants.

This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 29 2008, 01:20 PM

What are you saying? The fact that you are going to do A-levels means that the priority that you should have is to do well. So how can you say what you put first doesn't matter. This is absurd. This is clearly a case of not prioritizing properly. Choosing a college base on such petty details is foolish at best. Choosing Sunway over a cheaper alternative just because Sunway is more spacious and a whole bunch of reasons found on brochures is silliness at the highest degree. One shouldn't burden oneself on things like these because one should strive to do well, and one's performance in A-levels has got nothing to do with how nice a college is. People here are suggesting and emphasizing the importance of such aspects in one's instructions in A-level when clearly it is not. This is where priorities are misplaced.

Why is it so important? Because if you don't do well, that's pretty much the end and the reason why you would want to do A-level is because you intend to go to university. Why would anyone do A-levels if it is not for an opportunity to study in a university?

It's not only for A-lvls, all pre-u courses. I guess you have misunderstood, or I have not put my words correctly in the last post.

I said, the priorities changed when it comes to choosing colleges when you are living somewhere or are financially constraint. Here's an example : Let's say if you can't afford, you can't go into Taylors or Sunway because they are more expensive. So you go into TARC. In this case, your first priority of course is MONEY.

Note:I am not saying people in TARC are poorer people.

And then I also mentioned, once you're enrolled in a course, any courses at all in any colleges. Then your priority is to do well and get a place in an university.

That's what I meant.

If you still think this is misplacing priorities I seriously have nothing else to say.

This post has been edited by ychien89: Feb 29 2008, 01:53 PM

Cut if off...

feynman :

Has it ever occurred to you that there are actually people who are very capable of studying A-levels while being active in various activities/socities and what nots.

And that's what priorities are for.

Priority 1 : Do well in A-levels - all 3 colleges provide you with the opportunity to do so.

Priority 2: blah blah blah.

Read my first post then.......you took me off tangent, so much so that we are going nowhere.
Your point?

Even for A-levels,there are ppl who do

"is sunway good?"

hahah ...

of course sunway is good,cos they earn so much! ...hehe !

courses...it depends actually.

take a ride across sunway and taylor...and u'll know why ppl say sunway has better environment....in terms of quality of education....it depends on which course u're taking...

im taking a-levels

Well, one of the best thing in sunway is the library. Got all the books u want, and very good study environment. And the best part is, there are not so many Cybercafes, entertainment centre (pool, foosball) there, so it would be a good thing as u wont get easily tempted by these.

In terms of lecturers, I can't give any comments here as im not taking A-levels.

sadly there will be 1 cc soon.

The one ontop of medan? Supposedly now it's free;promotion period o.O

haha, 1 cc only... its ok. Go there sure full..

nop, not full also
last friday i went there, most computers almost install completed
but not many ppls playing, unlike FTZ
most of my friend rather go FTZ than medan

Any forumer here are from Sunway University College who has the first hand experience of living in the Sun-U Apartment/Sun-U Residence? Seems the types of accomodation provided by Sunway are getting fewer nowadays. Last time they do provide more than that if I am not mistaken. The rental also more expensive than other apartments/condominiums. Wanna know whether it is worthwhile to live at the two mentioned accomodation? Or it is advisable to rent apartments other than the two above?

In terms of security, convenience.... etc, which one would be recommended? Where are the location of the above apartments? Does it far or just a short walking distance to reach Sunway University College?

Sun-U residences are just about 100-200 meters away, alternatively you can try lagoonview for sun-u, which is just next to the college, actually.

Does Sun-U residence is under the management of Sunway University College and the residents are just like stay in the hostel which is under strict supervisor, eg. cannot enter after 11pm? Got this kind of rules applied?

got... like prison... if u stay at d condo not so bad... but at d flats... lol... totally like pudu... d rooms inside can vomit blood 1...

i would suggest finding other places...

Like Pudu? So terrible!

So any else places recommended?

sunway condo is always better than sunway apartment because it is fully equiped with air-cond, hence much more expensive

however, the apartment now is newly renovated & the management actually changed all the furniture, thus they raise the accomodation fee by bit.

the distance is almost the same for both, but perhaps condo is a bit bit further away from sunway uni.

It's very simple. Feynman, what everyone's been trying to tell you is that, when it comes to studying pre-u courses (or any course for that matter), doing well in studies is a given priority.

Read the posts unrelated to your tiff with the Claire guy. Most state that regardless of facilities, nearby shops or attractive members of the opposite sex, it's really up to yourself to work hard and score that string of A's. Everything else is secondary, but since the choice of colleges is there, why not pick the one best suited to those secondary needs?

Weigh your options. Do you prefer easy parking, good facilities or a thriving social life? The choice is up to you. I hope you read this post carefully instead of blowing it off like all the others. Again, whether you choose to be arrogant or openminded, it is entirely up to you. =)

wtfish so old punya thread ady

Close this thread, it's a topic from 362 days ago.

sunway envriroment is the best for study...teacher depends what course u taking..mine is quite good..very friendly coz most of them r foreigner...

Im taking CIMP courses in Sunway, although it's not A-level, but i have to say, the sunway university provide you the best environment to study. I went to taylor before, it's like a building and not just that, it even have few buildings that provide you different courses, In sunway, you will feel the best security here, i seen guard anywhere, various club to join, big cafeteria, and a big campus, really big. You have information centre, registry centre security and many department, so you won't get confuse whenever you have problem and need to go there for help. My lecturers are best of all, friendly and like joking. Many event's to join in sunway, and it's super fully convenient. You got sunway pyramid there, sunway hospital and many more. outside the school, there are others restaurants too. They said, a good study environment make you study better and i said yes, it does.

Sunway: Deep Foundation, bright Future !

hmm....hi...erm...btw, is KBU gud for interior designing?

I heard that many colleges are for rich ppl too, like sunway,taylor and so on....even kbu?
then where should i consider.....

lol? at sunway and taylors there are also ''not so rich'' people. its not everyone there that is rich. its just a stereotype. i know alot of average income people studying at taylors, sunway.

Why would the 'college for rich people' factor be the deciding factor for you?
You should be more concerned with the quality of the course. For designing courses I've heard that Limkokwing and The One Academy provides good courses, you might want to check them out.

Surprised that why nobody mentioned Methodist College. Cheap+new facilities ready by 2010+passing rate higher than any of your Taylors...KDU..Sunway..wtv

Cheap, new facilities + higher passing rates doesn't necessarily mean high standards of education my friend.

Define high standards of education

Students' achievements in the international stage, i.e awards, recognition, etc..
This is normally achieved over time, so seeing as to the College being relatively new, it still needs time to build up its reputation.
Don't get me wrong I'm not belittling Methodist College or anything, I'm merely stating that fees, facilities and passing rates do not necessarily mean high standards in education. Our local varsities are cheap, they have laptops that cost RM42,320 each, and they have high passing rates, but we know that their standards are not up to private varsities.

Thx for the reply...they say the one academy is more gud for multimedia and graphic design...
Is kbu gud at interior design?

This post has been edited by wilsonwc: Oct 27 2009, 08:07 PM

I have a few friends from Sunway College. And they seem to do quite well with their studies. So, it depends on the individual effort to succeed i guess.

mm let me put in a simple form of my experience studying in sunway.
I scored straight As in my alevels.
I obtained scholarship from the university of melbourne.
I miss Alevels as such as high school.
I miss the environment.
I still keep in touch with 2 of my lecturers(very close).
I've made 2 very close friends from sunway(brothers for life/close to gay).
yup...totally happy with my experience there =D

hey take it this way. it all depends on individual
after all college isn't high school anymore. you cant be spoon fed so, you can't really rely on the lecturers too much
it's more to individual

i know for a fact that the methodist college has one of the best results with 2 perfect scorers for this years a-levels
but at the same time sunway and taylors produce great results too

from my opinion, taylors has already got their name built. they are KNOWN to be good, but i guess after all this time - the name has outdone their actually standard. plus alot of JPA scholars choose taylors and that is why the results come out so good

you can't really compare if you ask me between all the college. depends on individual. unless of course you have actually gone to both sunway and taylors to do your a-levels then ya
but other than that i highly believe that it depends on individual

if you are determind and you study hard and smart then i'm sure your results will come out just fine

: )

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Added on October 27, 2009, 8:59 pm*actual standard

This post has been edited by ldsilva: Oct 27 2009, 08:59 PM

What irony. Since 'it all depends on individual', why spend >RM30k for a Pre-U course when you can spend for less than 5figure in other less reputable colleges?

ya allah. what i mean is that you are paying 30k for the college. so it's pretty much stated that you are paying for a good quality education. but you cant compare with which out of the three colleges that costs 30k is the best.
if it were justified as the "best", im sure the "best" college would've made the fee 40k. dont you reckon?