Does anyone know what is the meaning of getting pass degree? Is it the degree just without honours? What is the benefit of degree with honours and without honours? Can get job with this pass degree? Hope anyone can answer my doubt. Thank You.

er... i oni knw tat degree with honours is recognized by most countries in the world compared to degree without honours..

degree with honours is the ones that need high high score lo. the one without honours is the ones that just pass the degree for most of the units lo.

degree without honours still can get job nowadays especially in IT field?

what are u referring to when u say "pass degree"? back in my days, there were alot of confusion about pass degree. generally there are two meanings:

i. ordinary degree or degrees without honours.
ii. a degree awarded with third class.

if u're referring to a third class degree, yes, u'll have alot of problem applying for a job. this is plainly bcoz there are too many people with 2nd class (both upper and lower).

but if u're referring to ordinary degrees, it means the degree has slightly lower specialization than an honours degree. it doesnt really translate into less possibility of getting a job though.

then there's the australian system of honours degree, which further confuses people. in australian system, everybody takes ordinary degree. towards the end of their studies, if u have strong academic performance, they'll allow u to continue for another semester (6 months) to acquire an honours degree. now this honours degree is not something everyone could obtain. u need to be really good.

for the rest of the world, u can apply straight for an honours degree from 1st year. once in, u just need to maintain a 2.00cgpa and above. anything less (3rd class) will get u a pass degree.

if not mistaken... nz applies the same too correct me if i'm wrong

A bit of correction here. This is applicable only for the 3 year courses, of which at the end you'll get the chance to continue towards honors, which is purely research based, and its for 1 year, not just 1 semester.

4 year degrees will have the option of honors depending on your results.

TS!

Dun bother much of what results u gain......try ur best in your academic....alwis remember academic is alwis differ much in career world.....u get good or bad results also will get job....but some good results ending up jobless compare to some lower grade student....cos these student taught there are too goog & demanding....

aus need 3 years to get degree (except u r outstanding student and get more than 3.8)
whereas
uk 3 years can get degree with honours

this is because there syllabus are different
aus 14 weeks + 14 weeks X 3 years (degree)
uk 14 weeks + 7 weeks + 14 weeks X 3 years (honours degree)

Correction.

For most courses you are only eligible for Honours if you get Distinction (> 70) average and above.

If academic differ much in career world, why still got many ppl study to get degree cert? Anyhow, still got big company like IBM still looking whether u get good result or not and which classification u get in ur degree. And i found that IBM need graudates which in first class degree then only can hire, coz last 2 yrs the IBM came to my college and giv a talk about employment in their company.

yes. i think this is the best answer. but anyway u see it, u need to work hard for any of the honours.

now u're talking about job opportunities at MNC/top corporations. it's a whole different ballgame.

MNCs such as IBM have vast resources, and the could afford to pay top dollars for top personnels. on top of that, being a MNC, they've got continuous flow of graduates applying for jobs with them. they can afford to select the creme de la creme.

i presume u are a young champs! from the statement u quote!...anyhow gain more work experience more & mayb u will requote ur statement....Good Luck....

lol...degree with honors mean you have to do dissertation...degree (without honors) means the otherwise....nothing to do with your grade distinction >70? lol)

The >70 rule applies if you're studying under the Australian system for 3 year courses. You need to do a one year dissertation but usually* you have to get >70 average to qualify for entry into the Honours year. How do I know? Been thru it.

Edit: *usually meaning most courses require, but not necessarily all

This post has been edited by djspinnet: Feb 13 2008, 04:07 PM

My course is actually 3+0 UK programme from Coventry University and study in Malaysia. As far as i know, my course doesn't need students to do dissertation or thesis before we graduates. So, my course actually need students to work hard in final year project then only can get degree with honours or else pass degree.

Well, that's the main difference between the UK and the Australian degrees, where for the Australian degrees, there's no way for you to obtain honors within just 3 years, and for 3 year degrees, honors is only obtainable via dissertation.

I think you misunderstanding... you should need to do your dissertation, the final year project you are going to do to, you need to write up a documentation. This documentation is called dissertation.
And degree with honour is should be from 1st class to 3rd class. when your marks is around 40-49(for most of uni's standard), that mean a pass degree.

Means hav to write a very good dissertation in order to get degree with honours?

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Added on February 14, 2008, 1:21 amMeans hav to write a very good dissertation in order to get degree with honours?

This post has been edited by chungwl20: Feb 14 2008, 01:21 AM

depends on which system u're in. if u're in british system (which malaysia uses as well), the degree title will indicate if it is an honours degree or just a normal degree. if it is an honours degree, u just need to maintain a cgpa above 2.00 (atleast C in all subjects).

if u're in the australian system, well, i'll let somebody else explain it bcoz it's [insert swear word of choice here] confusing .

From my experience doing the Australian Honours System:

3 year degree courses
+ You do 3 years of basic Bachelor's degree.
+ Upon graduation, if your final year grade average is a D and above, you are eligible to enrol in an Honours year (which is a separate course with a separate course code even). (You have to self-enrol, it is not automatic enrollment)
+ Honours involves usually 50% dissertation and 50% coursework.
+ You submit your Honours dissertation, and the marks are tabulated and your final grade is ranked by First Class, Second Upper/Lower etc as per usual Honours grading.

4 year or more degree courses
+ The final year usually involves a research component which will be graded towards your Honours grade.
+ Entry into Honours is automatic.

I heard 1st class honour student usually get book before coming out.
I think very less people get 3rd class honour.

How about local ipta? it is honours degree?

depends on the course. look at the course u're applying, it'll state clearly if it is an honours course or not. for example, the course i'm teaching will award a degree of:

Bachelor of Architecture (Hons) Universiti Teknologi Malaysia

(5 years)

yeah.. that is why many ppl will say, make sure your FYP is working. And even is your project is not working, you need to explain why it's not working and convince your supervisor that is not your fault, you have done what you can and it's out of your ability. But of coz you need to try before say that.

want to ask whether 3rd class degree can find jobs or work not ? allright, here is my situation...Let's say i failed during my final sem....Giving options of either repeating the whole subjects or just graduate, attend convo with 3rd class...THe problem here is i already work, kinda no mood go back to study and attend class all over again...The company that hired me now is the company that i did my internships....

So, want to ask is Degree with (honours) important ??? In term of job hopping, switching job next time and promotion ?

Guys i have a question..im in northumbria hons degree in computing studies ..im alnost finishing my year 3..i wanna know if lets say even if i fail my fyp and another 1 or 2 subs(total 5 subs incld fyp) will i get a pas degree or diploma? Coz i completed the full hours of the final year by attending all exams and complete all assignments..just wanna 2x confirm..thanks