Rizzy
Out of your batch of 28 students, how many are non-bumiputras?

Whatever year that was then.

[quote=Rizzy91,Dec 6 2009, 08:31 PM]
hmm..there are 5 non bumi in the class 3 of them are girls..
maybe this year,there are not many non bumi applying...

5 out of 28 is about 18%. Yeah, that's more consistent with what I'm heard.
That's why I was sceptical about azarimy's 50% figure. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called raced-based 'quota'.
It has never been that high and it will never be.
The 5 students must have got brilliant results to get in then.
Not many non-bumi's applied you reckon? Nah, that can't be true.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 6 2009, 10:46 PM

12/45 is 27% - still way below the 50:50 quota according to azarimy.
That's why I thought 50:50 proportion sounds too good to be true.
If you want to go by racial composition, it should be about 65 : 35. That would be fairer but we know it will not happen.
Meritocracy did you say? What meritocracy is it when you are comparing the grades of students from matric and those who go through STPM?

If you're a non-bumi, not from a well-to-do family and with less than perfect results, it's hard luck.

You're right about Indians in the profession. There are very few of them indeed. Out of the 2000 over registered architects currently and I doubt there are more than 40. Our former Works Minister, Semi Value is one of them though but I heard he didn't go through a university degree.

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Added on December 8, 2009, 4:10 pmThanks for the info, castle in the air. Let me summarize:

Year 1 - 5/28 (18%
Year 2 - 1/20 (5%)
Year 2 - 2/23 (9%)

That's for the diploma course at the old UTM campus in KL.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 8 2009, 04:12 PM

Bridgestone
The number is more than I thought though it is still less than 50%. 21/55 is 38%
Are the non-bumi's all Chinese or are there other races/foreigners?
What about the other Year students? Same percentage?
What are the minimum grades for STPM that a non-bumi need to have to get a place in the course?
I'm sure aspiring students are keen to know this.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 10 2009, 03:13 PM

It is like comparing an apple, an orange and a pear. Which one tastes better you tell me!

The Singapore Polytechnic diploma course has been around for many decades, very established and recognized by the private sector. Graduates can easily find employment both in S'pore and Malaysia. The standard should be better than the local polytechnics.

It is not accredited by LAM, just like BArch from the NUS.

I'd say it's better than the diploma or even the degree from Taylors in terms of finding employment with the private sector. If you say diploma graduates are accepted into the BArch degree in NUS, that's a bonus. But it is advisable to continue the degree in one of the LAM accredited unis for obvious reasons.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 15 2009, 01:57 PM

When designing buildings, the architect decides on the structural system to be used - be it post-and-frame construction, load-bearing walls, steel frame construction, etc. This includes determining the sizes of the structural members. The structural engineer usually does the detailed calculations and works out the details of the connections, etc, unless the architect has specific ideas on how the structure should look especially in cases when they are exposed eg. exposed steel frame construction. The architect may want to make the structural members larger than required by the engineer. In other words, the engineer's plays an assisting role on the technical aspect while the architect takes the lead role in making the basic decisions.

Furniture is part of interior design which does not come under the normal scope of services of an architect. However, some architects also undertake the interior design design of a project in which case, it comes under 'additional services'. Architects may also be called upon to design the signage system of a building like in a college or hospital for example. Signage is a integral part of the building design though it is not often that architects gets to design it.

Door knobs? Haven't heard of architects designing item as door knobs as they are readily available off-the-shelf from various suppliers both local and foreign so it is a matter of selecting and specifying the item. An architect may be required to design door handles of main entrances where he needs to suit the design of the building. Having said that, I remember this Scottish architect, Charles Rennie Mackintosh of the art nouveau era which went to the extent of designing chairs, cutleries and crockeries. Another well-known one is Spanish architect, Antonio Gaudi. One of the hallmarks of a good architect is the attention to details, something which is lacking in most Malaysian architects.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 16 2009, 01:29 PM

If A-levels is good enough for Cambridge and Harvard, I guess it is accepted by ecole de beaux-arts in France.
Just that ecole de beaux-arts is not recognized by the Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia.
A famous and influential school (in the history of art & architecture) nonetheless.

Emanon
Even the websites are all in French.
Why choose France, of all places, to do architecture in the first place?

Talking about interior design, there are certain projects where the architect has to do it when he undertakes the job - renovation of banks for example. Unless your firm has an in-house interior designer. I"m speaking from personal experience.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 18 2009, 09:18 AM

Who says you need a Masters' to be a full-fledged architect?
Answers to basic questions like this can be found in the first few pages of the thread.

Also, as mentioned before, you can get a master's degree in architecture even though your first degree is not in architecture. In which case, you still cannot get accredited and sit for the Part 3 exam to practice.

JPA scholarships for study in local and overseas universities are under different categories. I don't think they are interchangeable. Anyway, find out from JPA to confirm.

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Added on December 23, 2009, 1:14 pmbumiputra - matriculation
non-bumi - STPM

Don't know if you can consider them to be the same.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 23 2009, 01:19 PM

Since the boss, TS, is 6 hours behind Malaysian time, thought I just fill in for him.

I remember something similar was asked couple of months back. Refer to earlier posts.

You can join after diploma level but it is tough for someone from IPTS. UTM has limited places for students to join after the lst or 2nd year but priority is given to diploma holders from IPTA's (UTM's own diplomas, then those from other gomen polytechnics, etc in that order). None has got in from IPTS to date if I remember correctly though azarimy said they are 'eligible'.

Otherwise, you need to apply with STPM or matric. No. you can't join from IPTS foundation. You should have been clear what the foundation course leads you to. It is not flexible like STPM/matric or A-levels.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 24 2009, 03:02 PM

Well, the current UTM architecture students in their 2nd or 3rd years would be able to tell you.
Hopefully there are some reading this forum.
Has any diploma holders from IPTS been accepted so far? I doubt it very much.
Telling you that you're eligible is just being polite.
Or they'll tell you that nobody from IPTS applied.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 25 2009, 05:11 PM

You seem to favour LKW. Why didn't you join them?
LKW has not been accredited for Part 1 or 2 which you referred to.

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Added on December 27, 2009, 8:24 pmAnd how do you find it? How many students for each intake? Taylor's college seems popular.


This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 27 2009, 08:24 PM

This question has been asked many times before. Go back to page 1 of the thread.

Salaries depend on the qualification and the individual. There are many grades of draughtsmen ranging from certificate holders to diploma holders. It also depends on location, KL salaries are higher than those of smaller towns.

Here are my estimates:

draughtsman
RM700 - RM1200

assistant architect (I'd prefer the designation 'architect assistant/technical assistant')
RM1500 - RM2000

architect
RM2000 - RM2500

As you can see, the salaries are not really attractive or better than other fields. For architect level, the salary does not really commensurate with the extra long duration of the degree course and the ordeal one goes through.

A general degree holder from a 3-year degree course in any other field would probably earn more after working for two years compared to a fresh architecture graduate from a 5-year degree course.

For your information, I have a friend whose starting salary as an architect in the year 1982 was RM1500, which increased to RM3000 after 2 years of working experience. Those days, a Honda Accord cost only RM25,000 and a terrace house in Subang Jaya cost about RM100,000. It's depressing to see how salaries in Malaysia are heading vis-a-vis the cost of living.


Benjamin
Don't know about the students being outstanding but LKW architecture twinning program with Curtin, WA has been on for more than a decade. Curtin, formerly WAIT (Western Australian Institute of Technology) is not a
highly-ranked uni in Australia. Melbourne U is.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 28 2009, 02:10 PM

Hi May

Since you are talking about A-levels, I presume you are planning to further your studies in IPTS or overseas or both (twinning programmes)

There is no specific subject combination required for Architecture. I'd say, take subjects which you think you can do well in. The requirement for entry into architecture is 3 good principal A-level passes. The better your grades are, the better the university you will get into.

Besides A-levels which is a 1.5 year course, you can also consider doing Australian matriculation programmes which only take one year to complete and you'll be able to commence your architecture degree in an Australian uni in Feb 2011 (compared with September for unis in UK). Australian matric is also acceptable by unis in UK.

Your options will be wide open if you take this combination:
Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Biology.
You can choose to go into virtually any field/discipline with this subject combination. This would allow you more time to think about what you wish to do for your degree. You combo of dropping Physics would preclude you from taking up a lot of engineering related courses.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Dec 28 2009, 05:00 PM

Physics wouldn't help me much if I plan on taking Architecture in the future, would it?

Why not? It is relevant to subjects like Environmental Science and Building Services though the level of Physics involved is nothing difficult. It is not a 'must-do'.

As I said, go for subjects you are better at.

Oh, and what about SAM? That's considered Australian Matriculation I guess? Oh, and I want to know if I do Alevels at Taylors, would I be able to go to Curtin University of Technology when I pursue my degree in Architecture later on?


The difference between taking SAM (or AUSMAT or Australian HSC) and A-levels is that you'll save one whole year by doing the former.
By starting SAM in Jan 2010, you'll be able to join uni in Australia in Feb/Mar 2011 which is the quickest way. Curtin is OK (so so) but you should aim for better ones especially those in the Group of Eight.

Here it is:

http://www.aaschool.ac.uk/STUDY/undergradApp.htm

The portfolio is quite important apparently.