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post Feb 25 2008, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(jcyeoh @ Feb 25 2008, 08:25 AM)
hi guys, I'm a 400D user. Got a little prob with my camera now.

The build-in flash is not able to pop-up anymore. In P, Av, Tv or M mode, when I press on the flash button, it will not pop-up. When in Full-Auto mode, then flash also won't pop-up itself when in a dark environment.

I'm not exactly sure when it started to fail because I've been using a Speedlite as my flash recently (borrow from friend). Then few days ago when using without the Speedlite, the flash fail to pop-up adi.

Could it be that the camera is still assuming I'm using an external flash on hotshoe? But I checked on the camera menu and can't find any options to disable this leh...

Please can anyone help... thanks
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Try doing a full reset from within the user menu. If you press the flash button and the flash is not released, the may be some problems with the mechanical actuators. Then your last resort is to send it back to Canon Customer Care.


For those interested in a reliable but affordable tripod, you can try the Profoto EX tripods available at Direct Photo located within the Brunsfield Business Park, along the Jalan Cheras (opposite the old Pat Ye Thin food court). The last time I checked the price it is RM180. It can be considered as the Manfrotto replica. Alternatively, there's a shop within Mutiara Complex, Jalan Ipoh specializing in selling China made replicas of popular brands. Reliable but a little heavy. Don't expect revolutionary materials though. brows.gif
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post Feb 25 2008, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(fcbarcelona-my @ Feb 25 2008, 08:37 AM)
70-200mm L lens..very poison. but if budget constraint..can look at 3rd party lens. but yeah..its till 3rd party lens. not canon lens. smile.gif
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Yeah. The L lens only has better built, superior optics and weather proofing (only some models). On the 3rd party lenses, I only know about Tamron 70-300mm and Sigma's 18-200mm APO lens (non-OS) solutions. But I can always easily recommend the Sigma 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 OS. Easily a good all-in-one lens for general purpose photography like traveling and new starters.
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post Feb 26 2008, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(matt2001 @ Feb 25 2008, 10:12 PM)
no juice or water was spill on my camera b4....
its happen juz like tat...
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Try giving it a gentle shake/knock. Maybe it will unhook the flash release. Could be some dried grease sticking on it.
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post Feb 26 2008, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(grungemann @ Feb 26 2008, 09:13 AM)
Came to work this morning and saw half a dozen of these big red machines parked in front of local hotel.

http://picasaweb.google.com/hariman.abdrahman/Pooling
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Red sprayers.... careful there...


Added on February 26, 2008, 9:46 am
QUOTE(valho @ Feb 26 2008, 09:31 AM)
depends on what you need first. do you need a telephoto lens or a flash first. both are very good addition to any photographer arsenal, so have to prioritize smile.gif

btw those that are using flash what kind of diffuser do you prefer, stofen or lambency or some other diffuser.
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I think 580EX II is more important because it can extend usability of your current lens. But that is just an opinion. I still feel the omnibounce is very convenient and effective for bouncing and still throwing some light to the front. Actually I don't fancy funny funny diffuser designs hahahaha! But generally speaking omnibounce is pretty ok.

However, then the ceiling is ultra high or the ceiling is colored it might give a color cast to your subjects. So this is where the Demb diffuser with its Flip-It reflector is useful. I usually use omnibounce for exposing the environment and subjects like family dinners and parties. I only use Demb when there is no ceiling and I am only concentrating on single subjects like modeling and etc.

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post Feb 27 2008, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(valho @ Feb 26 2008, 11:42 AM)
ic ic I kinda prefer using the omnibounce as it's small and easy to bring around. The lambency is much bigger and don't think can fit into my bag.
I have seen my friend using the Flip-It, looks useful when you don't have ceiling to bounce from, any idea where I can get that and the price ?
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I got mine from Photo Miami, KL Plaza. The price is a bit expensive though but I couldn't find it elsewhere. Alternatively you can also order from the online store.
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post Feb 27 2008, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(grungemann @ Feb 27 2008, 09:11 AM)
How much is kitlens with IS? Thinking of replacing non-IS with this one.
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Recommended you to go straight EFS17-85mm F4-5.6 IS USM. No point upgrading just the IS. Not worth the time and money. Trust me me on this. icon_idea.gif
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post Feb 27 2008, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(valho @ Feb 27 2008, 10:21 AM)
looks like you really love the 17-85 IS smile.gif
post some photos you took using it
I use the Tamron 17-50 for the majority of last sunday shoot, very nice lens smile.gif
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Glad that you love it lar, valho! Haha! biggrin.gif The reason I recommend the 17-85 is because it is the next lens you should upgrade from the kit lens. Some people say the optical quality is similar to kit lens but the extra focal range is very useful in my opinion. Then you count in the IS and USM which adds value. Anyway this is the only lens you can find within Canon's range. The 17-55 is usually out of reach. The alternatives are usually 3rd party like the excellent Tamron/Sigma/Tokina 17/16-50.


Added on February 27, 2008, 1:10 pm
QUOTE(grungemann @ Feb 27 2008, 10:56 AM)
How much fot this one?  sweat.gif
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I would recommend you to check out sales thread on Lowyat, ShutterAsia, Photomalaysia and Photokaki. There a lot of people selling these either new or used. The last I check, one gentleman is selling his 3 months old 17-85 (came with as a kit with his 400D) for RM1600 including the original Canon lens hood. Pretty good bargain.

If you want new, be prepared to spend around RM1800-2000 off the retail (estimated). One advice, don't sell of your 18-55 kit lens. Keep it as spare or when you want to sell it in the future, you can bundle it out together.

Tamron 17-50 F2.8 is also recommendable. In fact, highly recommendable if you are upgrading from kit lens. Price can be around the region of RM1400++. For good things about this lens, valho can fill you in hehehehe! tongue.gif If you ask me, it is a no brainer. The only down point is that I feel 50 is a bit too short and without IS.

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QUOTE(grungemann @ Feb 27 2008, 02:08 PM)
Thanks guys. Now need to get as many project as possible to fund the now one.. rclxms.gif
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Good luck! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(valho @ Feb 27 2008, 10:00 PM)
well I love the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 more than the 17-85 IS biggrin.gif, but if you compare the 18-55 to the 17-85 definitely the 17-85 win hands down in terms of quality, sharpness and also the IS.
Comparing Tamron 17-50 f/2.8, the sharpness will blow you away, even at wide open the image is really sharp, the 17-85 need to stop down a bit to get a sharp pic but I think still not as sharp as the Tamron 17-50. So you need to ask yourself whether you can live without the IS and the extra 35mm, the f/2.8 can compensate for the lack of IS btw, if yes then go for the Tamron 17-50, and later upgrade to the canon 17-40L or 17-55 IS
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Right to the spot valho. But the F2.8 is only useful IF you don't have an external flash and you rely on sufficient shutter speed to do the job. You will usually realize that F2.8 maybe nice for macro work or single subject photography but if you are taking more than one subject like family portraits of at least two person, you will soon realize that 2.8 is impossible to capture them sharp because the other will be slightly OOF or in bokeh or soft. The Tamron 17-50mm when stopped down to F4 and above is excellent! The color, contrast and sharpness is excellent. But you will be sacrificing shutter speed and need to increase ISO which will increase chances of noise.

Thats when you'll need an external flash to TTL compensate for these situations. An external flash plus the Tamron 17-50 will be a great combination. If there is IS, then you can do a lot more. Kekeke! icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(asrolsani @ Feb 27 2008, 10:30 PM)
do tammy 17-50mm f2.8 is suitable for wedding photography? in term of sharpness? since u mentioned about slightly OOF.....
or i just stick to my siggy 18-200 os for the work.... hmm.gif
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Tamron 17-50mm F2.8 is definitely the lens to try out for wedding photography. Match it with an external flash and you can now stop down the lens to F4 for 2-3 person group photo. For group photos where you have 2-3 lines of people, you stop down to F8-11 or you use F5.6 but stand backwards (limited by 50mm though). Use Manual mode throughout. So that your external flash will be set as the main source of light. Any deviation from standard exposure will be compensated by TTL flash function. I usually prefer using Average metering and Average TTL flash compensation. Get a cheap omnibounce or something else if ceiling is too high. If you have white walls near your subject, you can use it to act like a very large diffuser/softbox.

If you don't have external flash, you can use your built-in flash! It works the same but you lack the diffusing qualities and bouncing so flash will be slightly harsh unless you stand backwards where distance will allow light to be diffused enough.

If flash is not permitted or not convenient, then an OS will be good when you need to stop down and sacrifice shutter speed.

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QUOTE(fcbarcelona-my @ Feb 27 2008, 10:46 PM)
hehe. u r already have 55-250 IS n 18-200 OS.  brows.gif
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But he needs wide-angle standard zoom mah hahaha! brows.gif Actually the Sigma 18-200mm OS is good enough when used alone. Just get a flash to complement it. Unless he wants the Tamron for specialized work lar. Hehehe! I've used the Tamron before so if I ever need 2.8 again, it will be the EFS 17-55mm F2.8 IS USM. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(asrolsani @ Feb 27 2008, 10:58 PM)
bought 55-250 IS then 18-200 OS(used) the next day....
maybe i have to let go the 55-250 IS n kitty lens (since already got 18-200os) to fund for something more useful like tammy 17-50??
or perhaps L lens drool.gif (but don't know which)
i'm more to portrait (taking daughter's photo etc)
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Canon EF17-40mm F4L is a good start. brows.gif RM2400 approximately.
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QUOTE(valho @ Feb 27 2008, 11:57 PM)
yeah hence i usually use f/4 for portrait for a good overall sharpness, I will only use f/2.8 if necessary such as indoor without good lighting or I want certain part to be sharp and the rest soft.
I am paring it with a 580 EX II now hahaha, went to Boeing and bought the flash today biggrin.gif
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Great buy mate! Have you got the diffuser too? Very good flash there... I'm sure you gonna love it.
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QUOTE(valho @ Feb 28 2008, 09:30 AM)
uhhh quite ok loh, just eat maggi for the next few months loh haha. actually just budget here and there a bit after all I am single mah less commitement tongue.gif
apparently there is but never really go and try and find out what's the different, so don't really care if it's a cheapo one hehe
yup wide angle need to use thinner one, hmm but those are more expensive also lo
I am loving it, but need to really learn how to use it, still noob in flash haha. didn't manage to get a diffuser, the shops all don't have the stofen for 580 so I had to go order from Shashinki
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No need get the original one. Cause all of them looks the same you can't tell the difference at all. I bought my omnibounce from MITMIVEC RM50+ for a replica China made version. Used for few months and it doesn't turn brown or whatever. Maybe not enough UV/sunlight exposure. Haha! But it works effectively. So no need to waste the additional RM30 for a piece of plastic.

Yeah, flash does have a steep learning curve. I struggled also when I got my 430EX. Let me help you with this: Go to http://planetneil.com/tangents/ and learn up the articles regarding controlling flash and balancing it with ambient light. It'll give you a rough idea on how to use flash.

Take note that, all the picture modes including Av and Tv utilize the external flash as fill-in mode only. In other words, they will work the same as if there is not flash attached, but now the flash works to fill in your subject only (good for daylight). In low light situations, your shutter speed will still drop and cause motion blur. The 400D has a custom function to set the Av mode to fixed shutter speed of 1/200 (sync speed). Usable but defeats the purpose of complete control.

Basically, we use the external flash in Manual (M) or P mode. This is where you can play around with shutter speeds, aperture and ISO, etc and the TTL flash will compensate. This is where it will act as the main source of light. Good for bouncing and stuffs. This is how I used mine:

1. Examine the subject and determine an appropriate aperture so that everything will be in focus and sharp. Identify ISO too.
2. Set to Av with the desired aperture and meter a few spots to check the shutter speed readings. If too low, you calculate the next best shutter speed where you can prevent camera shake (this is better if you got IS).
3. Set to M and dial in your A, T, ISO, etc.
4. Set camera metering to Average and set flash to Average TTL (from within 400D custom function)
5. Set external flash compensation to +1/3 to +2/3. (depending on your preference)
6. Identify for best bounce angle. Look at walls, or use diffusers, etc (depending on your preference)
7. Shoot away.
8. You can change any of the settings on the fly and the flash will always compensate. Watch the meter on the viewfinder closely to see how far you have deviate from standard exposure. Use it as a guide.

Mr. Neil (from his website) uses the following to control flash with ambient.

T = Use to expose the ambient and background (determines motion too)
A = Use to expose the subject and depth of field (sometimes flash is too hot on subjects, reducing aperture will expose it properly)
ISO = Use to expose the ambient and background (determines noise too)
FEV = Flash compensation
Flash = Use to artificially 'freeze' the subject

I know this sounds like a bunch of bull. I can't understand it either at first. But as I got around with experience, it kinda works together now.

Hope it helps.

P/S: Don't worry about noise or shy to go ISO1600. You can do noise reduction later. A good program to try is Noise Ninja. PM me for details. Others are welcome also.

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QUOTE(valho @ Feb 28 2008, 10:47 AM)
wow thanks David, very good guide there, gonna try it later when I get home. Yeah I heard of that Noise Ninja before, but haven't try it out yet
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QUOTE(zzloo @ Feb 28 2008, 03:01 PM)
Noise Ninja not bad! Used it before
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Yes and I just found out about it recently. doh.gif But it is really effective with the pictures I took. I love the camera profiling feature.

QUOTE(Xannava @ Feb 28 2008, 03:27 PM)
If i were to get the 55-250Is, what kind of filter should i get (for the purpose of protecting my lens), as i shoot in very hazardously dusty area (on dry days).
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You should get a quality UV filter. A decent one could be Hoya UV(N) HMC filter. If you want something better you can look at Hoya Pro-1 Digital UV filter which is roughly double. If you really love this lens and want to spend for the best... then consider B&W MC UV filter. Indisputably the best there is. The multi-coatings are the hardest and is virtually scratch resistant.

Besides protecting the front element, you must also understand that there are other areas unprotected. Since you shoot in dusty areas, there are high possibility that dust could sneak into the barrel cams while you zoom or de-zoom. Also the buttons and controls are not weather-sealed too. The EFS55-250mm IS is not a weather-sealed lens. So protecting the front element is only plays a small part. You should be investing on a weather-sealed L lens if you are doing serious work.

Otherwise, if you only want to protect the front element from scratches, then yes.. a UV filter will do the job. Just don't get cheapo ones that will degrade image quality.

I only know one guy selling B&Ws in ShutterAsia forums. You may check around there.
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QUOTE(TheVoIP @ Feb 28 2008, 04:26 PM)
As far that I can remember, every lenses from various brand come with hood, except stupid Canon for its non-L lenses, including those expensive EFS17-55 f2.8 IS USM and still no hood supplied...  mad.gif
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Yeah only Canon L lens has this 'luxury' item. Total sucks. All other manufacturer of 3rd party lenses comes standard with lens hood, some with a carrying case. Some more if you want one, you need to scout for shops that actually sell them. Not all stock them as on-the-shelf products. You need to order.

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It all depends on the user. Some users prefer the standard DSLR for the image quality and the accurate framing. Some wants the ergonomics that other P&S camera cannot provide. Not everyone is as lucky as us here or as enthusiastic wanting to invest in more lens and things. Some prefer to use the standard kit lens. Don't be surprise, they can turn out nice photos too. Some just want it to do the job. Thats it. Remember the quote? Choose the right equipment for the job and not to overkill?

So don't look down on them. DSLR is not only for the serious photographers unlike olden days. Its now free for all to use.

Back to the question, valho is correct. But you guys seems to be willing to spend more and more so I would recommend the 580EX II speedlite (or at least the 430EX) and the Tamron 17-50mm F2.8. This should keep you guys busy. smile.gif


Added on February 29, 2008, 10:17 am
QUOTE(TheVoIP @ Feb 28 2008, 06:15 PM)
For anything that moving like sport... get minimum 30D/40D la... If budget not enought, buy a used 30D. You will need the autofocusing superiority over newer model or more megapixel. IMO, if it OOF, it is gone...  cool2.gif
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Yeah. 30D new one also cheap. I heard it from somewhere that the body is only RM2799 new. A used one should be a good buy too. TheVOIP... hows your sale? This is a good opportunity to get TheVOIP's one...

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QUOTE(-vip3rleon9- @ Feb 29 2008, 10:52 PM)
hmm.. if i were you, i'd hit the 580EX II straight. might be painful at first, but at least you'll have a very wide smile on your face.

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Yeah, I would say at least a Canon 430EX. Easily affordable and usable. At least you can upgrade to 580EX in the future and then use the 430EX as a slave. A lot of people follow this upgrade path.

But if you are willing to invest, then 580EX straight.
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Mar 1 2008, 11:23 PM)
Does 40D have contrast-detect AF and auto lighting optimiser? The auto lighting optimiser sounds very interesting. If I've not mistaken, Sony Alpha DSLR have such optimiser too.

Apparently, the 450D cosmetic features are as good as 40D. Only the noise control is probably slightly inferior.

Edit: Are there custom WB in 450D?
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Nope the 40D (I assume you are referring to LiveView) does not rely on contrast-detect AF to do focusing. It had to flip the mirror down (momentarily blinding the viewfinder) to do phase-detect AF before flipping up and re-activate LiveView. Then you can press the button. It however have a few modes to enable silent mirror flipping operation.

Yes, the Sony Alpha has the optimizer too.

Custom WB was available for 400D so the feature should be brought to 450D as well naturally.

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