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TSnormanTE
post Jan 12 2008, 11:56 PM, updated 14y ago

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HI there everyone; though, i have just look thru someof your comment on the new breaking point of klci despite of the world market on the opposite direction. i wonder may i suggest if buying blue chip, such as genting, i bought since early last year, at 7.6 rm in average per share. do you guy with experience is it way over price?
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post Jan 13 2008, 12:15 AM

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@ 7.60, quite a good price you enter. Keep it for longterm bro.... :-)
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post Jan 13 2008, 12:21 AM

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Genting shares are good for swing trading... currently the trend is between 7.60 - 8.0. u can reap a few hunndred wif each swing depending on the quantity u buy. Just study the chart for the nearest entry n exit points.
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QUOTE(normanTE @ Jan 12 2008, 11:56 PM)
HI there everyone; though, i have just look thru someof your comment on the new breaking point of klci despite of the world market on the opposite direction. i wonder may i suggest if buying blue chip, such as genting, i bought since early last year, at 7.6 rm in average per share. do you guy with experience is it way over price?
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If u want to keep long term..fair value will be RM6.40 wait for market crash to shop...short term RM7.40.....good luck..
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QUOTE(normanTE @ Jan 12 2008, 11:56 PM)
HI there everyone; though, i have just look thru someof your comment on the new breaking point of klci despite of the world market on the opposite direction. i wonder may i suggest if buying blue chip, such as genting, i bought since early last year, at 7.6 rm in average per share. do you guy with experience is it way over price?
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You are asking whether it is expensive when you bought it. You bought it after the stock split 5 ways, which is when it was pushed up higher by speculators. I would say RM7 would be the best rpice to buy it, RM8 would be too expensive during that time. But looks like you got it fairly. So it is not overly expensive when you bought it.

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post May 12 2008, 10:00 PM

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Can any pros here give me some advice about Genting shares.

RM6.200 izit a good buy or shall i wait till it is RM6.00? What to you think about Genting prospects? Thanks

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post May 12 2008, 10:01 PM

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market still very volatile, queue lower than rm6, if can get then okie, if not do not rush
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post May 12 2008, 11:38 PM

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it should be "bought", not "brought".
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post May 13 2008, 12:13 AM

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buy as speculation or to keep?
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post May 13 2008, 02:04 PM

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There is a specific Genting thread already. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/689452

Please don't duplicate the thread.

Thanks.

PS: So moderator will close one of the less active thread.

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post May 14 2008, 06:07 PM

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bought at 6.1 today, read the history chart, it is the lowest since dec 2006, and some also bought at 6.05 .
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post May 14 2008, 09:24 PM

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6.20 reporting in!!!

tomolo T+3 jor, taking up, taking up

altho not confidence with GENTING upcoming financial report sweat.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 14 2008, 09:24 PM)
6.20 reporting in!!!

tomolo T+3 jor, taking up, taking up

altho not confidence with GENTING upcoming financial report  sweat.gif
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Sorry mate, today 'jump' not successful, Q at 6.05, not done. (buying vegetable again) tongue.gif biggrin.gif
Actual I look back at my pruchases, 8/10 purchase done at Q'ing at buyer side, very seldom take the seller one. Haha kedekut behaviour.

6.00 is the key support line now.

Genting Highland still will generate steady profit but the UK casinos (Genting International) suffering might drag down the group performance.

The final jury is more on or after the Singapore casino being opened to see the actual effect/result whether curent price it is a good buy or not.

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post May 14 2008, 09:52 PM

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ok la...i also q at 6.05!!!
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post May 14 2008, 10:40 PM

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good buy? goodbye??

only time will tell

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post May 14 2008, 10:41 PM

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lemme see

queue at 6.00

if you have tons of patient, then make it at 5.95 laugh.gif
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post May 14 2008, 10:43 PM

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I think possible to get at RM5.95. Time for me to average... sigh.

Anyway, was up in the hill last weekend and the place is still packed. Business is still good...
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post May 14 2008, 11:05 PM

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i long time no go up the hill liao...i think 2 years or so

i miss the fruit machine in the casino tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 14 2008, 11:05 PM)
i long time no go up the hill liao...i think 2 years or so

i miss the fruit machine in the casino tongue.gif
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Those meant for .....old ladies, lah.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 14 2008, 11:28 PM)
Those meant for .....old ladies, lah.
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eh, 20 sens per slot, okay what.

most importantly is, i win money, who cares it is for 3 years old or 80 years old, right~!

/OT liao...
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 14 2008, 11:38 PM)
eh, 20 sens per slot, okay what.

most importantly is, i win money, who cares it is for 3 years old or 80 years old, right~!

/OT liao...
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That game, can use computer to play at home, mah.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 14 2008, 11:43 PM)
That game, can use computer to play at home, mah.
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Play at home always lose $$...Becoz if u play at Genting u still got 50/50 win/lose...
Play at home..100% LOSE on TNB bill..hehe tongue.gif

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QUOTE(chen9wei @ May 14 2008, 06:07 PM)
bought at 6.1 today, read the history chart, it is the lowest since dec 2006, and some also bought at 6.05 .
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when was genting split the shares? blink.gif
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queuing at rm5.80.... rclxms.gif
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stil TG below Rm6
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6.00 strong sappot...
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 14 2008, 09:24 PM)
6.20 reporting in!!!

tomolo T+3 jor, taking up, taking up

altho not confidence with GENTING upcoming financial report  sweat.gif
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Their financial report for 31/3 Q will be coming on 29/5.

Asiatic should post sterling result while even Genting International posted very poor earning but it is not a signficant part in the group. So whether it can post strong earning report depends on the Genting Highland itself.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 14 2008, 10:41 PM)
lemme see

queue at 6.00

if you have tons of patient, then make it at 5.95 laugh.gif
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Yep yep i dont see any signs of trend change.. hmm.gif
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post May 16 2008, 07:07 PM

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not confident with future of genting, bought 6.1 and sell 6.2 ... made some kfc.
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QUOTE(chen9wei @ May 16 2008, 07:07 PM)
not confident with future of genting, bought 6.1 and sell 6.2 ... made some kfc.
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Ima follow my instinct here and play with fire hope i dont get burnt. rclxub.gif .ill report back next week and let you all know how i failed or succeeded ! cheers guys - lotsa love killy
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QUOTE(kikikilly @ May 16 2008, 07:50 PM)
Ima follow my instinct here and play with fire hope i dont get burnt.  rclxub.gif  .ill report back next week and let you all know how i failed or succeeded ! cheers guys - lotsa love killy
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wow so you bought GENTING?

instint...play with fire...burnt... hmm.gif

you sound like buying a huge lots!
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 16 2008, 07:55 PM)
wow so you bought GENTING?

instint...play with fire...burnt...  hmm.gif

you sound like buying a huge lots!
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Nope not yet..waiting for it to go down first
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post May 16 2008, 10:58 PM

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leaving a small foot print.

will be away for a few days.

hoping GENTING price is doing well on next week laugh.gif
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the quarter annual report is coming out soon...
buy now at ~6.00.. then target to sell at ~7.00:P rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 16 2008, 10:58 PM)
leaving a small foot print.

will be away for a few days.

hoping GENTING price is doing well on next week laugh.gif
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my rough guess for the start of the week is that it will act 6.3ish maybe becoming alittle 6.4ish before encountering resistance.So if anyone scared of the next drop in this roller coaster you might want to jump of the ride here. " so u can sleep better at night"

Anyone else want to take a wild guess?


Killy - with love


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QUOTE(aretla @ May 17 2008, 09:23 PM)
the quarter annual report is coming out soon...
buy now at ~6.00.. then target to  sell at ~7.00:P  rclxms.gif
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Yep yep thats good if your medium/long term investor..
go ahead if you want

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GENTING 6.05 liow!!! can buy arr?
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ May 20 2008, 11:24 AM)
GENTING 6.05 liow!!! can buy arr?
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I believe it will drop to 5.95 within tis week...but my target price is RM5.90

pls be patient bro... i m saving some bucks rite now... once reach that price i sure going to sapu 1k shares...
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Genting breaking 6...cant wait for 5.90...
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It's stuck at 6.05.. It's time to get it? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 15 2008, 09:09 PM)
Their financial report for 31/3 Q will be coming on 29/5.

Asiatic should post sterling result while even Genting International posted very poor earning but it is not a signficant part in the group. So whether it can post strong earning report depends on the Genting Highland itself.
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from where can i check the date release of the company financial report? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(feralee @ May 21 2008, 07:49 PM)
from where can i check the date release of the company financial report?  sweat.gif
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Hmmm normally it is not fixed one so I doubt there is a list of companies and their release dates. But it can roughly be guessed based on past releases. Check the Bursa webpage and their historical announcements, you can see the dates are roughly near the same time year in year out. But occasionally might be earlier or later.
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QUOTE(normanTE @ Jan 12 2008, 11:56 PM)
HI there everyone; though, i have just look thru someof your comment on the new breaking point of klci despite of the world market on the opposite direction. i wonder may i suggest if buying blue chip, such as genting, i bought since early last year, at 7.6 rm in average per share. do you guy with experience is it way over price?
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U can buy in at rm6.0 or 6.05.
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I think it will break its support level today at 6.00 based on sentiment. brows.gif
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ops, my bullet is not enough ...waiting 5.9-6.0
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hehe, when is the next dividend?
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Final Dividend of 4.30 sen less 26% tax per ordinary share of RM0.10 each.

Entitlement Type: Final Dividend
Entitlement Date and Time: 30/06/2008 04:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date: 31/12/2007
EX Date: 26/06/2008
Payment Date: 23/07/2008
Stock Par Value: 0.10
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QUOTE(myusername @ May 22 2008, 12:28 PM)
Entitlement Details:
Final Dividend of 4.30 sen less 26% tax per ordinary share of RM0.10 each.

Entitlement Type: Final Dividend
Entitlement Date and Time: 30/06/2008  04:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date: 31/12/2007
EX Date: 26/06/2008
Payment Date: 23/07/2008
Stock Par Value: 0.10
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lol as usual, stingy GENTING tongue.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 22 2008, 09:03 AM)
I think it will break its support level today at 6.00 based on sentiment.  brows.gif
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aww you are so bad
if GENTING break 6.00, i am sure alot of buyer will queue to buy, and hence pushing the price up, hehehe
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 22 2008, 01:56 PM)
lol as usual, stingy GENTING tongue.gif
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Dividend yield just like saving account only. sweat.gif

QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 22 2008, 01:58 PM)
aww you are so bad
if GENTING break 6.00, i am sure alot of buyer will queue to buy, and hence pushing the price up, hehehe
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There are plenty of buyers at 6.00, may be I should settle it at 6.00, don't be so 'kedukut'.

Selling pressure is receeding a bit as volume die off, which at least a good sign.

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yes, if given a choice, i'd settle it at 6.00 or 6.05, too

i bought at 6.20 a week ago was merely for speculation, thought i can make some quick buck before T+3, mana tau...so decided to take up, keep and wait for it to blossom~~
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Final Dividend of 4.30 sen less 26% tax per ordinary share of RM0.10 each.


how much is that if u hold one share of genting ?
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QUOTE(klmc @ May 22 2008, 04:31 PM)
Final Dividend of 4.30 sen less 26% tax per ordinary share of RM0.10 each.
  how much is that if u hold one share of genting ?
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every 1,000 shares (or 10 lot), you are entitled for RM 31.82
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thanks for the reply

why the heck do some have dividends before tax and some after tax .

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1000 shares of Genting cost Rm6050...dividen 31.82..2%
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QUOTE(klmc @ May 22 2008, 05:37 PM)
thanks for the reply

why the heck do some have dividends before tax and some after tax .
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Most dividends are quoted either before tax or tax exempt. Rarely or never they will quote after tax because for each individual the tax bracket might be different.
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ohyah, GENTING quaterly report is coming out next week.

hopefully it is with flying colors.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ May 22 2008, 11:16 PM)
Most dividends are quoted either before tax or tax exempt. Rarely or never they will quote after tax because for each individual the tax bracket might be different.
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now already single tier taxation right? this genting last year uncle lim died that time gave out so much i was laughing all the way to the bank thinking finally uncle lim die his son generous but now sigh doh.gif
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Genting touch RM5.95 already.
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scary...

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 22 2008, 11:34 PM)
ohyah, GENTING quaterly report is coming out next week.

hopefully it is with flying colors.
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I think it should be bad. Otherwise, FFM won't be selling off like mad cows on stampede

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making a note here

GENTING hit its 52-weeks low today, closed at 5.95
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Next week I think i buy in if it drop to 5.80 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 23 2008, 05:29 PM)
making a note here

GENTING hit its 52-weeks low today, closed at 5.95
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Time to cut lost I suppose. It will take ages for it to recover even though fundamentally good company. And their dividends really sucks for the share price. I think I might as well re-invest in other uptrend shares like steel, cement and plantation. At least can make some good profit in short/mid term.

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QUOTE(Larrylow @ May 23 2008, 10:41 PM)
Buy low sell high. Time to buy.
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Larry, this is for you. Get 5,000 lots @ 5.85 and wait till it hit back to 6.50. Good money for your millionaire quest, no?$
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looks like supporting level is at 6.00 now.

hovering between 5.95/6.00
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so who gonna buy ?
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maybe i will buy today or tomolo

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important week for GENTING, let's see rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 26 2008, 11:29 AM)
mr kedekut cherroy tongue.gif

GENTING 5.95, mau tak?
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lol, teasing me. laugh.gif

Q'ing at 5.90. tongue.gif

Will take 6.00 if Genting financial result is on good side.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 26 2008, 02:35 PM)
lol, teasing me.  laugh.gif

Q'ing at 5.90.  tongue.gif

Will take 6.00 if Genting financial result is on good side.
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GENTING 5.90 5.90 5.90.... Tomolo going 5.80
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QUOTE(XfX @ May 26 2008, 05:12 PM)
GENTING 5.90 5.90 5.90.... Tomolo going 5.80
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Genting support being broken almost daily at -5 sen. I cut lost today at 5.95. Cannot tahan the bleeding. Will jump in again when the bleeding stops. Selling pressure still too high. Expect it to go down to at least 5.80 by this weekend by analysing the sell que volume.
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wow dsugums cut lost jor oh. me already "washed wet the head" (cantonese), haha, already freeze it in my fridge. tongue.gif

and GENTING closed at 5.90 today, aiseh man!
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wow dsugums cut lost jor oh. me already "washed wet the head" (cantonese), haha, already freeze it in my fridge. tongue.gif

and GENTING closed at 5.90 today, aiseh man!
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My Q at 5.90 miss by whisker.
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wow dsugums cut lost jor oh. me already "washed wet the head" (cantonese), haha, already freeze it in my fridge. tongue.gif

and GENTING closed at 5.90 today, aiseh man!
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I dont want to put my cash in a freezer. Now everywhere fire sale now. Maybe I can re-invest the cash in uptrend shares and gain back the loses from Genting. I feel Genting shares are like dinosour, it moves very slow. Even it falls in slow motion and before you realise it, already lost 5% !!! It will take ages before it can start moving upward.

Commodity shares are good bet for short-term, at least the drop is minimal but rises very fast if got news. O&G does not have any direction, very volatile, sekejap rising and next minute crashing down.


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My Q at 5.90 miss by whisker.
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Dont worry, you will get it by this week, maybe even lower rclxms.gif

The UK unit profit dropped 91% and for sure overall results will be lower than previous quarter.

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yahlor, selling pressure never stop sad.gif
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im dead meat....buying at 8.20..

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When will it stop bleeding?
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Maintain OUTPERFORM rating. We retain our RNAV-based target price of RM9.40
and keep our FY08-10 earnings unchanged ahead of its 1Q08 results release on 29
May 08 and remain positive on Genting’s fundamental prospects. We believe the
latest development remains speculative in nature although if it comes to fruition, it
would garner a positive reaction, provided the transaction price is reasonable. Genting
had just under RM10bn in cash holdings as at end-FY07, rising to an estimated
>RM13bn by end FY08. A possible disposal of its power division could raise this by at
least another RM3bn, leaving Genting in an enviable position of either returning cash
to shareholders or going on a more aggressive expansion into the gaming industry.
Either way, it would appear to be a favourable development for the stock in the
medium term. This is itself a possible upside catalyst to Genting on top of the core
catalysts of gaming and plantation growth, possible regional M&A activity and
improving capital management.
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heavy selling pressure on GENTING

big lots sapu also cannot make the price to go up
when someone simply throw small lots, price terus go down, sigh

today GENTING closed at 5.75
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A possible disposal of its power division could raise this by at
least another RM3bn, leaving Genting in an enviable position of either returning cash
to shareholders or going on a more aggressive expansion into the gaming industry.
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hmmm this got me thinking who would buy a power company or rather which company has enough cash in hand and is interested in the utility business. And the only names I can think of is YTLPOWER.
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Just threat it as losing money in Genting?
Or is it better to average it?
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Genting Chips are now @ discount!

Might test 5.50 tomorrow.
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ARTICLE ENTITLED: "GENTING TO SELL POWER ASSETS"
We refer to the verbal query from Encik Marzuki of Bursa Malaysia Securities
Berhad to Genting Berhad ("Genting") pertaining to the above news article
appearing on the front page of The Edge Financial Daily on Wednesday, 28 May
2008.
Genting wishes to confirm that it has been approached by various parties for
the potential purchase of its power assets. As Genting is constantly reviewing
its portfolio of investments to assess the efficiency of its invested capital
and to optimise returns, it has had discussions with third parties to explore
opportunities as and when they are presented.
If there are any developments requiring an announcement to be made to Bursa
Malaysia Securities Berhad, Genting will make the appropriate announcement in
due course.
Yours faithfully
GENTING BERHAD
LOH BEE HONG
COMPANY SECRETARY
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noob question here...
why is the genting stock price drop so much this few days??

any bad news regarding to Genting stock??
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QUOTE(chin20350 @ May 28 2008, 11:29 PM)
noob question here...
why is the genting stock price drop so much this few days??

any bad news regarding to Genting stock??
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same like roller-coaster game you play in Genting Theme park ma. Sometimes u're on top, then go down hill very fast.

Same oso like you go to Genting, very tiring driving up, but going down veli fastttttt one.




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few factors :

- local share market is slow because politically instable
- regional markets are slow too, because of high oil and commodities prices. people spend less. So, not much money spend in Genting and business slow
- rumors of Resort/Genting privatisation

you can add more if you wish

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From MIMB today

BUY reaffirmed at RM4.80/share. We continue to like Resorts for its clear earnings visibility and strong cash-flow generating ability as it no longer equity accounts for SCL’s financial results from 3Q07 onwards. It is our preferred stock in the gaming stock, with a BUY at price target of RM4.80/share, based on CY08 24x PER.
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Hi , I am a GENTING buyers also . Ofcouse , I also do review of it . At this stage like usual . GENTING might just stand at RM6.70 least and will not raise till they anounce any plan / project .

At my view , In @ RM6.70 is a smart move xD If there's any mistake of mine , please correct me .


Added on May 29, 2008, 9:44 amBtw , Anyone intrested in GIPLC @ SG ? It drop from SG$ 0.60 at lowest SG$0.570 . Any advice with this one ? mind to share ? Thanks tongue.gif

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In @ RM 6.70 is a smart move??

current price is 5.85 le.
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a noob question..

how do u determine is it a buy or sell volume shown below the chart. Maybank on9 trading shows yellow bar only for volume transacted. How do i check... pls help.
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QUOTE(pubee @ May 29 2008, 10:20 AM)
a noob question..

how do u determine is it a buy or sell volume shown below the chart. Maybank on9 trading shows yellow bar only for volume transacted. How do i check... pls help.
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look out for :-

B-Q - buy queue
S-Q - sell queue
vol - volume

suggest to look on volume instead as the buy/sell queue could be deceiving sometimes.
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Hi , I am a GENTING buyers also . Ofcouse , I also do review of it . At this stage like usual . GENTING might just stand at RM6.70 least and will not raise till they anounce any plan / project .

At my view , In @ RM6.70 is a smart move xD If there's any mistake of mine , please correct me .


Added on May 29, 2008, 9:44 amBtw , Anyone intrested in GIPLC @ SG ? It drop from SG$ 0.60 at lowest SG$0.570 . Any advice with this one ? mind to share ? Thanks tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 29 2008, 10:02 AM)
In @ RM 6.70 is a smart move??

current price is 5.85 le.
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Either typo error on 6.70, should be 5.70

or

Old news.


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Either typo error on 6.70, should be 5.70

or

Old news.
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lol lol lol

should be typo error.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 29 2008, 11:51 AM)
look out for :-

B-Q - buy queue
S-Q - sell queue
vol - volume

suggest to look on volume instead as the buy/sell queue could be deceiving sometimes.
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does that means volume = B-Q + S-Q?

or issit just the number of transaction???

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Wow, today Genting start wake up.. Anyone is in the train? laugh.gif
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For Genting, watch its transaction closely, if those big 'sellers' not emerging again and its share creep up with healhty volume, then temporarily bottom is forming. If sellers still emerge afterwards in these few days with high volume, then it is too early to say bottom is forming.
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does that means volume = B-Q + S-Q?
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no, is not like that.

QUOTE(cherroy @ May 29 2008, 11:05 AM)
For Genting, watch its transaction closely, if those big 'sellers' not emerging again and its share creep up with healhty volume, then temporarily bottom is forming. If sellers still emerge afterwards in these few days with high volume, then it is too early to say bottom is forming.
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good advise. will monitor.

so far only small buy lots that help pushing up the counter, bit by bit.
but good thing is, no big seller dumping on this morning.

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Thanks for your tips thumbup.gif.

Is it advice to KIV it closely and just get down the train if feel something wrong?
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current GENTING

B-Q : 2954
S-Q : 4170
Total: 7124.
volume: 46038 <---how come volume no tally?

how do see anyone sell big here... selling>buying... why price increasing now?
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QUOTE(pubee @ May 29 2008, 11:40 AM)
really noob

current GENTING

B-Q : 2954
S-Q : 4170
Total: 7124.
volume: 46038 <---how come volume no tally?

how do see anyone sell big here... selling>buying... why price increasing now?
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not sure about yours
this is from my windows
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you may click further to see
green indicates buy lot
red indicates sell lot
user posted image

there are a lot of things to explore
alot of data you may see and understand them
click around your stock live quote to play with it smile.gif

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making a record here

after several days of sell-off, GENTING rebounded today.
yesterday closed at 5.75
today it closed at 6.00 (+0.250)

the 1Q financial report should be out by this evening
watching closely on GENTING shares movement.
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making a record here

after several days of sell-off, GENTING rebounded today.
yesterday closed at 5.75
today it closed at 6.00 (+0.250)

the 1Q financial report should be out by this evening
watching closely on GENTING shares movement.
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It closed at 5.85 le, last minute ,one shot of 1,500 lots throwing to 5.85 after 1 second earlier was done at 6.00. LOL
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 29 2008, 05:31 PM)
It closed at 5.85 le, last minute ,one shot of 1,500 lots throwing to 5.85 after 1 second earlier was done at 6.00. LOL
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Ya, I was wondering if my screen somethin wrong whn it shows 5.85
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QUOTE(dsugums @ May 29 2008, 05:32 PM)
Ya, I was wondering if my screen somethin wrong whn it shows 5.85
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Last few transation is somehow chaotic due to not many Q in between 5.90-6.00 region.

5.85 1,500 <-- closing price.
6.00 20
6.05 1,000
5.90 872
6.05 541
6.00 128

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 29 2008, 05:44 PM)
Last few transation is somehow chaotic due to not many Q in between 5.90-6.00 region.

5.85 1,500 <-- closing price.
6.00 20
6.05 1,000
5.90 872
6.05 541
6.00 128
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Oops, did know there were very less que. Hope the ikan bilis does not get fried tomorrow

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Why they throw at 5.85 when there were que's at 5.90/5? Very desperate to clear  doh.gif
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Because there are only a few like few hundred lots between 5.90 and 5.95 is queueing so sellers eager to clear up its 1,500 lots, so need to give low price in order to get it done before closing.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 29 2008, 05:48 PM)
Because there are only a few like few hundred lots between 5.90 and 5.95 is queueing so sellers eager to clear up its 1,500 lots, so need to give low price in order to get it done before closing.
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Genting earnings dropped more than 30%. Dont know how market going to handle the news or it has already discounted for the last 1 week
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Genting earnings dropped more than 30%. Dont know how market going to handle the news or it has already discounted for the last 1 week
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ooo
report out already?
just now wanna que RM5.9
but suddenly drop to 5.85 biggrin.gif
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It closed at 5.85 le, last minute ,one shot of 1,500 lots throwing to 5.85 after 1 second earlier was done at 6.00. LOL
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yeii funny, i tot it was 6.00
ahhh so closed at 5.85...

hmmm, i wonder how bad will tomorrow be unsure.gif


QUOTE(dsugums @ May 29 2008, 06:15 PM)
Genting earnings dropped more than 30%. Dont know how market going to handle the news or it has already discounted for the last 1 week
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QUOTE(feralee @ May 29 2008, 06:16 PM)
ooo
report out already?
just now wanna que RM5.9
but suddenly drop to 5.85  biggrin.gif
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revenue up
but profit drop

may check out here: http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...6E?OpenDocument

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Again, closing looks chaotic a big swing of 25 cents, somebody really want to see it close high price, while another want to clear stock.

6.15 1,300
5.90 3,375
6.00 2,500
6.00 183

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 30 2008, 05:10 PM)
Again, closing looks chaotic a big swing of 25 cents, somebody really want to see it close high price, while another want to clear stock.

6.15 1,300
5.90 3,375
6.00 2,500
6.00    183
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yeah 2 days consecutively - but it seemed like someone wants to drive the price down.
Seems like institutional buyer - buying up big big lots ( 7k 7k ) at 6.10
institution collecting leh .....
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QUOTE(klmc @ May 30 2008, 05:13 PM)
yeah 2 days consecutively - but it seemed like someone wants to drive the price down.
Seems like institutional buyer - buying up big big lots ( 7k 7k ) at 6.10
institution collecting leh .....
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I suspect, it is local big players like EPF or PNB etc are collecting.

It is norm in KLSE whenever there is some major sell-off in those big cap, they are the one come out to buy or support the stock. Look at Maybank, recent they have bought significantly when Maybank is under sharp sell down, same with TNB.
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At the end of the day, they make money ma, genting sure will go higher than this current price it's at - it's just a question of whether u can hold long enough.
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strong support Rm6.00 now..
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genting is farnie.

I just read that GENTING singapore is 5-month high today.
but in malaysia, it's testing new 52- week low!!
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GENTING is rebounding, slowly.

from lowest 5.75 to 6.20 at this moment. back to my cost now.
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genting is farnie.

I just read that GENTING singapore is 5-month high today.
but in malaysia, it's testing new 52- week low!!
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Not onli Genting is funny but few other stock in KLSE also behaving funny. tongue.gif
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How come Gent Int shoot some much today???
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5.70 now
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5.80 to be exact currently.. I bought at 5.800, wonder when will i get the dividen.. hope to see 6.2 soon.
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5.80 to be exact currently..  I bought at 5.800, wonder when will i get the dividen.. hope to see 6.2 soon.
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how much the dividen?
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jun 9 2008, 03:22 PM)
how much the dividen?
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 9 2008, 04:13 PM)
3 or 4 sens or so if i am not mistaken.
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Some peanut 4.3 cents less 26%. biggrin.gif


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Entitlement Details:
Final Dividend of 4.30 sen less 26% tax per ordinary share of RM0.10 each.

Entitlement Type: Final Dividend
Entitlement Date and Time: 30/06/2008  04:00 PM
Year Ending/Period Ending/Ended Date: 31/12/2007
EX Date: 26/06/2008
Payment Date: 23/07/2008
Stock Par Value: 0.10
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May I know where can I find this kind of info ? Not only for Genting but other popular stock also . Thank you .

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May I know where can I find this kind of info ? Not only for Genting but other popular stock also . Thank you .
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Any financial website or broker website should have, even thestar.com.my also has.
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Any financial website or broker website should have, even thestar.com.my also has.
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Can u give some example link to me ? Thank you
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What on earth is going on with this counter? Seem to be finding new lows. Bought in at 6.20 , 6.05 , 5.85 and now? 5.70 range? Sheeeesh....
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What on earth is going on with this counter? Seem to be finding new lows. Bought in at 6.20 , 6.05 , 5.85 and now? 5.70 range?  Sheeeesh....
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you seems like averaging the price very frequent

imo, no need to rush in averaging it
like you say, everyday is a new low
wiser way, save your bullets and only consider to pick up some when the price gap is too huge (say 8 ~ 10% or above)
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if market continously turning slow...i believe it will break Rm5.00 below...
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thanks for the advice ... hehh these are all contra plays that kena sangkut - so picked it up ...
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QUOTE(klmc @ Jun 10 2008, 12:46 AM)
What on earth is going on with this counter? Seem to be finding new lows. Bought in at 6.20 , 6.05 , 5.85 and now? 5.70 range?  Sheeeesh....
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you seems like averaging the price very frequent

imo, no need to rush in averaging it
like you say, everyday is a new low
wiser way, save your bullets and only consider to pick up some when the price gap is too huge (say 8 ~ 10% or above)
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It is a bear market. It will drift down or trend down for awhile or sometimes.

It is as same as when bull market time, price keep on surging everyday, now just the reversal.

You need long term holding to play out this kind of market before any fruit can be yielded.
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5.650 for today. I queue for 5.650 but not matched. lol..
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sien jor, everyday down by 50 5 cents, grrrrrr.

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sien jor, everyday down by 50 cents, grrrrrr.
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sien jor, everyday down by 50 5 cents, grrrrrr.
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IF everyday 50 cents, then surely everday can buy. laugh.gif Hehe..
After one week become penny stock liao.

It will be sien, sien, sien until people not bother to look at daily price, a typical bear market. But the good sign is volume starts to thin off.


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Genting Genting Genting? Having all the blues now? biggrin.gif
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yeah, really "BLUE" Chips now..really blue..
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Become dark blue chip is better than those become potato chip. tongue.gif laugh.gif
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IF everyday 50 cents, then surely everday can buy.  laugh.gif  Hehe..
After one week become penny stock liao.

It will be sien, sien, sien until people not bother to look at daily price, a typical bear market. But the good sign is volume starts to thin off.
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seriously lor, i really feel sien liao, dun even bother to log-in to my live stock quote.

bear market, faster go away~~!!!
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never realise that there is a GENTING COUNTER thread here. was trying to q at 5.60 today, but, not able.
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I saw that so many of you are accumulating GENTING now.
I just need some of opinion and views from forumers here.

- How do you think the windfall tax would affect Genting as a whole?
- Do you see any possibility of Genting disposing off its power generation business?
- Is there any possibility of BNM increasing interest rate? If so, how would it affect Genting as a whole?

Thank you in advance for your opinion and views smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 11 2008, 06:12 AM)
I saw that so many of you are accumulating GENTING now.
I just need some of opinion and views from forumers here.

- How do you think the windfall tax would affect Genting as a whole?
- Do you see any possibility of Genting disposing off its power generation business?
- Is there any possibility of BNM increasing interest rate? If so, how would it affect Genting as a whole?

Thank you in advance for your opinion and views smile.gif
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Windfall tax will only affect Genting's business a little bit I believe. I'm still not sure if the windfall tax is subjected to power generation in Malaysia or including their international utility business. Genting's main income is still derive from their casino and hotel business.

They have confirmed that 3rd parties are interested in their power business. And since they didn't say they don't intend to reject them means there is a big possibility their business might be sold if the price is right.


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Windfall tax will only affect Genting's business a little bit I believe. I'm still not sure if the windfall tax is subjected to power generation in Malaysia or including their international utility business. Genting's main income is still derive from their casino and hotel business.

They have confirmed that 3rd parties are interested in their power business. And since they didn't say they don't intend to reject them means there is a big possibility their business might be sold if the price is right.
Once sold, Means the price will rise again?

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Once sold, Means the price will rise again?
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Hard to say. Last time when Genting sold their Cruise business, stocks rallied a bit I think because the cruise business was bleeding money. And Genting price also increased when they sold their paper business because the business although profitable, wasn't cost efficient.

In this case, the power business although not a main income for Genting group, it still provides a steady income to their group. So I believe if they manage to sell it at a nice price, Genting price will go up.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 11 2008, 06:12 AM)
I saw that so many of you are accumulating GENTING now.
I just need some of opinion and views from forumers here.

- How do you think the windfall tax would affect Genting as a whole?
- Do you see any possibility of Genting disposing off its power generation business?
- Is there any possibility of BNM increasing interest rate? If so, how would it affect Genting as a whole?

Thank you in advance for your opinion and views smile.gif
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- Windfall tax only affects Genting Sanyen IPP, but won't too much on Genting as a group as core business still from casinos and hotels.

- Yes, with Genting needs plenty of cash, it is high possibility, also Genting has publicly announced say if price is right, then they will dispose.

- 70-80% no on BMN increase BLR, as they knew domestic economy and demand still rather fragile. Also current inflation is because of cost of material rising worldwide not purely because of local issue. By right, increase in interest rate is meant to kill off some demand. So interest rate increase is best to use when inflation is demand driven. But currently Malaysia is not. The most I can seen is 0.25%-0.5% increment only, but FD rate has hard time to catch up because there is simply too much cash in financial market as mostly corporate businesses reducing capital expenditure and high surplus of trade for since 1998 recession which BNM has accumulated more than USD 130 billions of foreign reserves.

Unless inflation really out of control, then only whole picture changes.

The one should increase interest rate one is China and India, those are the main culrpit of worldwide inflation on commodities, instead China reluctantly to increase their interest rate although RRR has been raise to 17.5% just announced this Sunday while interest rate remains low at 3.+% because demand is very strong from them.

Only then oil price and commodities price has chance to drop and inflation cool off. If China still booming with 11% GDP growth, there is little chance oil price will come down unless there is major recession in US and Europe which eventually lessen the demand of goods from China.

For Genting future, all bet is on Singapore casino. So long term share price is highly depended on the success of earning of it. But by no mean, it surely will as there is another strong competitor, Sands. UK casinos already show, casinos business is not a surely earn big buck one.

Just my 2 cents.

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- Windfall tax only affects Genting Sanyen IPP, but won't too much on Genting as a group as core business still from casinos and hotels.

- Yes, with Genting needs plenty of cash, it is high possibility, also Genting has publicly announced say if price is right, then they will dispose.

- 70-80% no on BMN increase BLR, as they knew domestic economy and demand still rather fragile. Also current inflation is because of cost of material rising worldwide not purely because of local issue. By right, increase in interest rate is meant to kill off some demand. So interest rate increase is best to use when inflation is demand driven. But currently Malaysia is not. The most I can seen is 0.25%-0.5% increment only, but FD rate has hard time to catch up because there is simply too much cash in financial market as mostly corporate businesses reducing capital expenditure and high surplus of trade for since 1998 recession which BNM has accumulated more than USD 130 billions of foreign reserves.

Unless inflation really out of control, then only whole picture changes.

The one should increase interest rate one is China and India, those are the main culrpit of worldwide inflation on commodities, instead China reluctantly to increase their interest rate although RRR has been raise to 17.5% just announced this Sunday while interest rate remains low at 3.+% because demand is very strong from them.

Only then oil price and commodities price has chance to drop and inflation cool off. If China still booming with 11% GDP growth, there is little chance oil price will come down unless there is major recession in US and Europe which eventually lessen the demand of goods from China.

For Genting future, all bet is on Singapore casino. So long term share price is highly depended on the success of earning of it. But by no mean, it surely will as there is another strong competitor, Sands. UK casinos already show, casinos business is not a surely earn big buck one.

Just my 2 cents.
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Thank you for your thoughtful insights.
So, it looks like it is not the time to get GENTING yet right?
I have looked at their financial statements, and saw no stabe growth in its business.
Genting, as a whole, still needs a lot of cleaning up work to do in my opinion.
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Thank you for your thoughtful insights.
So, it looks like it is not the time to get GENTING yet right?
I have looked at their financial statements, and saw no stabe growth in its business.
Genting, as a whole, still needs a lot of cleaning up work to do in my opinion.
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Genting share price in short term suffer because :

1. Global equities is on bearish mode due to high inflation.
2. Downgrade from investment banks especially foreign one because significant petrol price hike might curb the vistors. So some sell-off by fund managers can be expectd.
3. Rising cost in Singapore casino.
4. Cash strained due to massive expansion especially on UK aggressive acquisition which doesn't received well by most anaylsts.

We might face some difficult period in economy so any stocks can go down in this period of time, no one would spare from it.

I don't say it is not the time to get Genting or not. But it is much more better than buying those potato chips in the market which are plentiful in KLSE which might also can't get through the difficult period.
NO offence.

So all bet is on Singapore casino success or not.

No one can pick the bottom nor forsee accurately how future will be. So invest according to one's judgement and as long as knowing the risk involved, it is ok already.

Just my 2 cents.


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no wonder such always such big sell queues over the last week or so ... foreign funds getting out....
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DJ MARKET TALK: TA Sec Says Sell Genting For Correction To MYR5.00

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0339 GMT [Dow Jones] STOCK CALL: TA Securities says Sell Genting (3182.KU) based on charts for correction toward MYR5.00; notes stock falling within downtrend channel since peaking at MYR9.95 high on April 11 last year.

"The sell-down from the beginning of this year looks unlikely to end soon, with recent renewed selling momentum expected to take share price down to the lower band of the downtrend channel near MYR5.00 before pausing," says TA;

"A stronger support platform is anticipated at MYR4.50, while immediate upside is seen capped at MYR6.00, the March 10 pivot low."

Stock unchanged at MYR5.45 in active trade. (ECH)
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 11 2008, 06:12 AM)
I saw that so many of you are accumulating GENTING now.
I just need some of opinion and views from forumers here.

- How do you think the windfall tax would affect Genting as a whole?
- Do you see any possibility of Genting disposing off its power generation business?
- Is there any possibility of BNM increasing interest rate? If so, how would it affect Genting as a whole?

Thank you in advance for your opinion and views smile.gif
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- How do you think the windfall tax would affect Genting as a whole?
YES.

- Do you see any possibility of Genting disposing off its power generation business?
NO. Consumer love their aircon, water heater and etc too much

- Is there any possibility of BNM increasing interest rate? If so, how would it affect Genting as a whole?
If increase interest rate then alot of people will suffer. I think will slow down Genting.


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DJ MARKET TALK: TA Sec Says Sell Genting For Correction To MYR5.00   
 
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0339 GMT [Dow Jones] STOCK CALL: TA Securities says Sell Genting (3182.KU) based on charts for correction toward MYR5.00; notes stock falling within downtrend channel since peaking at MYR9.95 high on April 11 last year.

"The sell-down from the beginning of this year looks unlikely to end soon, with recent renewed selling momentum expected to take share price down to the lower band of the downtrend channel near MYR5.00 before pausing," says TA;

"A stronger support platform is anticipated at MYR4.50, while immediate upside is seen capped at MYR6.00, the March 10 pivot low."

Stock unchanged at MYR5.45 in active trade. (ECH)
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Sigh.. I just got in at 5.45

I check that Genting is giving out dividen somewhere in Jun/July. I hope that by then the share will pickup steam. what is your oppinion

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I check that Genting is giving out dividen somewhere in Jun/July. I hope that by then the share will pickup steam. what is your oppinion
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Those peanut dividend won't be the driving force or attractiveness for the stock. Haha.

It is the company futures and foreign sell-down then drive down the stock.

So what the company can do is delivering sterling performance of financial result in the next few Q, then its share price will automatically creep up. Recent announced of Q result of profit dropping 30% is one of catalyst of recent share price drop which also prompt some foreign selling until now.
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QUOTE(georgechang79 @ Jun 13 2008, 08:49 AM)
Sigh.. I just got in at 5.45

I check that Genting is giving out dividen somewhere in Jun/July. I hope that by then the share will pickup steam. what is your oppinion
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it is back to 5.45

you may consider to sell (loss on commision only) if you forsee the price to go down somemore.

agree with cherroy on the peanut dividend, it wouldn't hype the market, unless they have some really good news that can attract foreign funds to pour money into it (in terms of upcoming flying colors quater financial reports or they surprised the shareholders with handsome dividends (which i doubt tongue.gif) )

anyway, i am still holding mine at 6.20

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Anything less than RM5 will start to spark the interests.

Other than that, it's a low dividen paid stock and still years away from generating the handsome profit out of it's investment in Sentosa.

Summary: A great blue-chip stock for long-term investment.
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Anything less than RM5 will start to spark the interests.

Other than that, it's a low dividen paid stock and still years away from generating the handsome profit out of it's investment in Sentosa.

Summary: A great blue-chip stock for long-term investment.
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i have to admit last time yes..it is blue chip.. but ermm..after little Lim handle all the things, evrything go another way round .... any comment regarding the top management like Lim kok thye?
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i have to admit last time yes..it is blue chip.. but ermm..after little Lim handle all the things, evrything go another way round .... any comment regarding the top management like Lim kok thye?
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"Little" Lim Kok Thay has been the chairman in Genting Group since 2003 and since then, Genting Group's earnings have been growing at an average of 33% and net asset have averaged 13.4% growth. So any doubts with his managerial abilities?
I believe he has the traits of his late father. If it wasn't for Star Cruises, I believe the group's earnings will be even better.
The recent weakness in earnings was also mainly because of their overseas investment, maybe because of the weakness in Genting International.
So, I still believe Lim Kok Thay is a capable chairman, if not as capable as his late father.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 15 2008, 02:13 AM)
"Little" Lim Kok Thay has been the chairman in Genting Group since 2003 and since then, Genting Group's earnings have been growing at an average of 33% and net asset have averaged 13.4% growth. So any doubts with his managerial abilities?
I believe he has the traits of his late father. If it wasn't for Star Cruises, I believe the group's earnings will be even better.
The recent weakness in earnings was also mainly because of their overseas investment, maybe because of the weakness in Genting International.
So, I still believe Lim Kok Thay is a capable chairman, if not as capable as his late father.
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There're some speculations that Mr.Lim Jr is not capable as his old man did due to wrong investment such as the investment in the UK and Star Cruises..

Investment in Star Cruises is reducing Genting Group earnings till they manage to reduce their holding to associates...

And some shareholders actually comments about the rate of his remuneration increase... sweat.gif sweat.gif faster than the groups earnings..
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There're some speculations that Mr.Lim Jr is not capable as his old man did due to wrong investment such as the investment in the UK and Star Cruises..

Investment in Star Cruises is reducing Genting Group earnings till they manage to reduce their holding to associates...

And some shareholders actually comments about the rate of his remuneration increase... sweat.gif  sweat.gif faster than the groups earnings..
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Well, rumours are always rumours. No matter how capable you are, you will still be the subject of rumours.
Until you proved your worth, only then people will start to notice you.
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Well, rumours are always rumours. No matter how capable you are, you will still be the subject of rumours.
Until you proved your worth, only then people will start to notice you.
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No Jordy.. Investment isn't like that... You have to keep close to the key person of the company...

Until the things is proven, your investment probably worth nothing more than paper..

In fact, the remuneration taken by Mr. Lim Jr increasing at a rate faster than company profit generation isn't going to do good for shareholder. In other word, we should expecting lower ROE, and Dividend in near future especially majority of the company cash is using to finance the singapore project.

The track record of Mr.Lim Jr is unproven, period. Of course there's plentiful of capable management in the company. But the leader makes the final decision.
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No Jordy.. Investment isn't like that... You have to keep close to the key person of the company...

Until the things is proven, your investment probably worth nothing more than paper..

In fact, the remuneration taken by Mr. Lim Jr increasing at a rate faster than company profit generation isn't going to do good for shareholder. In other word, we should expecting lower ROE, and Dividend in near future especially majority of the company cash is using to finance the singapore project.

The track record of Mr.Lim Jr is unproven, period. Of course there's plentiful of capable management in the company. But the leader makes the final decision.
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I do agree with some of the stated points here.
"Until the things is proven, your investment probably worth nothing more than paper.."
What if he proved that he is capable? Your investment will be worth more than gold smile.gif
If you are taking the example of Star Cruise, then you would have to blame Uncle Lim.
The decision of a stake in Star Cruise was his. So, no one is perfect when making investment.
Until Lim Jr. took over the board, he made the right moves in reducing the stake in Star Cruise, from 35.9% in 2000 to 21% in year 2005.
So, Lim Jr. actually did do the right thing! So much for the rumour.

Over the concerns of remuneration, can you really blame Lim Jr., when the shareholders approved the amount themselves?
If the shareholders are not satisfied with the remuneration, then I think they would have voted out on it.
If the expansion into Singapore is a good one, who cares what the ROE or dividend levels are currently?
What we are looking for is how well the project will add to future ROE and future dividend.
Stock investing is all about making investment that will grow in the future, so even if shareholders are getting lower dividend for the coming years, it is alright IF the Singapore venture can make better returns than the dividend yield.

This is just my 2 cents worth. You are allowed to debate over it, after all we are all learning from each other smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 15 2008, 05:19 AM)
I do agree with some of the stated points here.
"Until the things is proven, your investment probably worth nothing more than paper.."
What if he proved that he is capable? Your investment will be worth more than gold smile.gif
If you are taking the example of Star Cruise, then you would have to blame Uncle Lim.
The decision of a stake in Star Cruise was his. So, no one is perfect when making investment.
Until Lim Jr. took over the board, he made the right moves in reducing the stake in Star Cruise, from 35.9% in 2000 to 21% in year 2005.
So, Lim Jr. actually did do the right thing! So much for the rumour.

Over the concerns of remuneration, can you really blame Lim Jr., when the shareholders approved the amount themselves?
If the shareholders are not satisfied with the remuneration, then I think they would have voted out on it.
If the expansion into Singapore is a good one, who cares what the ROE or dividend levels are currently?
What we are looking for is how well the project will add to future ROE and future dividend.
Stock investing is all about making investment that will grow in the future, so even if shareholders are getting lower dividend for the coming years, it is alright IF the Singapore venture can make better returns than the dividend yield.

This is just my 2 cents worth. You are allowed to debate over it, after all we are all learning from each other smile.gif
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If I were remember correctly that (Star Cruise) was the first investment made by Lim Jr when he's taking the ED/CEO Post.

And now they've to sell it at a losses too.. If i'm not mistaken..

The shareholder actually didn't approve the remuneration, but i aint sure if they make any noises in the AGM.

Of course future of Genting is good if the investment in singapore is yielding good return...

They must success in order for Genting group to success. Afterall, their capital is somewhat tied with Genting Singapore project.
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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jun 15 2008, 10:49 AM)
If I were remember correctly that (Star Cruise) was the first investment made by Lim Jr when he's taking the ED/CEO Post.

And now they've to sell it at a losses too.. If i'm not mistaken..

The shareholder actually didn't approve the remuneration, but i aint sure if they make any noises in the AGM.

Of course future of Genting is good if the investment in singapore is yielding good return...

They must success in order for Genting group to success. Afterall, their capital is somewhat tied with Genting Singapore project.
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First of all, he wasn't elected as the CEO when they had the stake in Star Cruise back in the 90's.
He was merely a Managing Director on the board. So, who had the final call on the investment?
The few investors that you were talking about, why didn't they make a public complain IF they are unsatisfied with the remuneration package? Why must they hide and spread rumours?
First of all, you have to understand that stock market moves on rumours. The more bad news they spread, the more they can accumulate at lower prices. So do not just blindly trust rumours. You might regret if you do.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 15 2008, 03:49 PM)
First of all, he wasn't elected as the CEO when they had the stake in Star Cruise back in the 90's.
He was merely a Managing Director on the board. So, who had the final call on the investment?
The few investors that you were talking about, why didn't they make a public complain IF they are unsatisfied with the remuneration package? Why must they hide and spread rumours?
First of all, you have to understand that stock market moves on rumours. The more bad news they spread, the more they can accumulate at lower prices. So do not just blindly trust rumours. You might regret if you do.
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I dont know..

I aint Genting shareholder, so I didn't bother with it.

Those are what I heard, so make your own judgements smile.gif

Afterall, those are your money smile.gif
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Investors in Malaysia prefer CEOs to perform like those in the West ( profit making of course ) but were paid in rupiah.

They want CHEAP EOs"

Even the CHEAP EOs could reward themselves in many other ways besides the normal pays.


Those doing accounting should know a bit.



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QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jun 15 2008, 04:04 PM)
I dont know..

I aint Genting shareholder, so I didn't bother with it.

Those are what I heard, so make your own judgements smile.gif

Afterall, those are your money smile.gif
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I ain't Genting shareholder too, but am looking at how things are going for them before making my commitment to buy. There is no rush in this smile.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 15 2008, 04:17 PM)
Investors in Malaysia prefer  CEOs to perform like those in the West ( profit making of course ) but were paid in rupiah.

They want CHEAP EOs"
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That is right to some extend. Of course good CEOs will not ask for that much money.
Another thing we have to consider is CEO that thinks like an investor.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 15 2008, 05:19 AM)
I do agree with some of the stated points here.
"Until the things is proven, your investment probably worth nothing more than paper.."
What if he proved that he is capable? Your investment will be worth more than gold smile.gif
If you are taking the example of Star Cruise, then you would have to blame Uncle Lim.
The decision of a stake in Star Cruise was his. So, no one is perfect when making investment.
Until Lim Jr. took over the board, he made the right moves in reducing the stake in Star Cruise, from 35.9% in 2000 to 21% in year 2005.
So, Lim Jr. actually did do the right thing! So much for the rumour.

Over the concerns of remuneration, can you really blame Lim Jr., when the shareholders approved the amount themselves?
If the shareholders are not satisfied with the remuneration, then I think they would have voted out on it.
If the expansion into Singapore is a good one, who cares what the ROE or dividend levels are currently?
What we are looking for is how well the project will add to future ROE and future dividend.
Stock investing is all about making investment that will grow in the future, so even if shareholders are getting lower dividend for the coming years, it is alright IF the Singapore venture can make better returns than the dividend yield.

This is just my 2 cents worth. You are allowed to debate over it, after all we are all learning from each other smile.gif
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Well Jordy, since i am holder of Genting share, i think i have the right to say that Lim junior needs to do something with the company, cost-cutting or some-other measures to stabilize Genting. He is not doing enough.

I can understand that building materials are expensive, the fatal bus accidents are bad PR and Pak Lah petrol price increase will discourage people to drive up there. But there is not enough action to counter all this. I been to genting recently and it dont look too good to me. I think Lim junior needs to wake up and start benchmarking itself to other casinos if it wants to stay in the business.
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Well Jordy, since i am holder of Genting share, i think i have the right to say that Lim junior needs to do something with the company, cost-cutting or some-other measures to stabilize Genting. He is not doing enough.

I can understand that building materials are expensive, the fatal bus accidents are bad PR and Pak Lah petrol price increase will discourage people to drive up there. But there is not enough action to counter all this. I been to genting recently and it dont look too good to me. I think Lim junior needs to wake up and start benchmarking itself to other casinos if it wants to stay in the business.
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Well since you are a shareholder, you have any idea what cost cutting that they can employ?
Sometimes, it is not as easy as you think. Keep thinking of ways to cut cost is poor management.
You are not utilising the full potential of your retained earnings, therefore the company will not grow far.
What we want is to invest in companies that use their earnings wisely, not just focusing on cost cutting.
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AIG head honcho Sullivan steps down

KUALA LUMPUR: American International Group (AIG) chief executive officer Martin Sullivan has stepped down from his post after three years at the helm of the world’s largest insurer.

According to a statement posted on its website late Sunday, AIG said chairman Robert B. Willumstad would assume the post of CEO immediately while also retaining his chairman title.

George L. Miles, Jr., chairman of the nominating and corporate governance committee of the board of directors, said: “Martin successfully led AIG through the crisis it faced when he became CEO in 2005, and he has made significant contributions over the past three years in executing AIG's strategy and building on its global franchise.

“The board has determined that Bob's broad managerial and financial services experience makes him the right person to lead AIG through today's turbulent markets, drive further organisational change and rebuild shareholder value in the years ahead.â€

According to Reuters, Sullivan’s departure becomes the latest in a string of Wall Street chiefs -- including former Citigroup Inc Chief Executive Charles Prince and Merrill Lynch & Co's Stan O'Neill -- who have left their jobs amid large losses from risky mortgage bets.

Reuters said Sullivan's departure comes in the wake of several large shareholders in recent weeks pushing for his ouster after AIG posted back-to-back quarters of record losses, stemming from more than US$20bil in write-downs in the market value of assets linked to subprime mortgages.

Willumstad, 62, joined AIG's board two years ago, a year after leaving Citigroup where he had been chief operating officer. When he left Citi, he expressed a desire to lead a public company.

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Well since you are a shareholder, you have any idea what cost cutting that they can employ?
Sometimes, it is not as easy as you think. Keep thinking of ways to cut cost is poor management.
You are not utilising the full potential of your retained earnings, therefore the company will not grow far.
What we want is to invest in companies that use their earnings wisely, not just focusing on cost cutting.
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The underlying or main point invest in listed company share is they can generate profit and return to the shareholders. Cost cutting only go so far and there is a limit how much it can go down, most importantly is able to expand the revenue while profit also goes up together.

If company revenue up but profit doesn't go up, then it can be something to worry about.

Recent concern on Genting side is the massive expansion programme which is taking currently especially on UK casinos which its financial result being dragged by the acuqisition of UK casinos.
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Recent concern on Genting side is the massive expansion programme which is taking currently especially on UK casinos which its financial result being dragged by the acuqisition of UK casinos.
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The weird thing is the Kuek Leng Chan also increasing stake in Rank Group hmm.gif hmm.gif

Is Rank Group PE that cheap? Or they're speculating another round of political changes that may bring advantages to the gambling industry in UK?

SKY 1809, the less the shareholder intervent, the less transparency the company will be...

In the end of the day, Martin Sullivan has the chance of making investment in sub-prime related and the company has to pay for it (Massive Write down)..
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George L. Miles, Jr., chairman of the nominating and corporate governance committee of the board of directors, said: “Martin successfully led AIG through the crisis it faced when he became CEO in 2005, and he has made significant contributions over the past three years in executing AIG's strategy and building on its global franchise.


This guy is talking bull shit as well.. If George is doing a good job as a corporate governance committee, he would have putting a good internal control in place which can directly or indirectly avoid all this sub-prime shits.

I was wondering what their risk committee is doing sometimes...
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 16 2008, 11:21 AM)
Sometimes, the more you push the CEO, the worse you get as a shareholder :-

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It is norm for shareholders to demand CEO performs, as it involved everyone hard earned money in stake.

Without any pressure, people tends to take for granted. So little or some pressure is always good, company does pay significant amount of wages and directors' fee for their service, they don't work for free either, remember. When you employ an employee, you expect to do a good job for you, right? So in the case of shareholders, you demand company CEO, directors to make the best interest for the company which provide return to the shareholders.

If shareholders don't care as seen on those potato chips (mostly on goreng stocks, no offence), as goreng stocks, people (shareholders because stuck with it, rather than wish to become shareholders tongue.gif ) care about share price being goreng or not only, they don't care much about company financial situation, most of the time, those company keep on delivering 'red' result across, even after 10 yearsor even longer, company situation remains the same like (ai si meh si).
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The underlying or main point invest in listed company share is they can generate profit and return to the shareholders. Cost cutting only go so far and there is a limit how much it can go down, most importantly is able to expand the revenue while profit also goes up together.

If company revenue up but profit doesn't go up, then it can be something to worry about.

Recent concern on Genting side is the massive expansion programme which is taking currently especially on UK casinos which its financial result being dragged by the acuqisition of UK casinos.
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Where did you get infomation on Genting acquiring more UK casinos? Please share. Thanks


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 16 2008, 03:15 PM)
It is norm for shareholders to demand CEO performs, as it involved everyone hard earned money in stake.

Without any pressure, people tends to take for granted. So little or some pressure is always good, company does pay significant amount of wages and directors' fee for their service, they don't work for free either, remember. When you employ an employee, you expect to do a good job for you, right? So in the case of shareholders, you demand company CEO, directors to make the best interest for the company which provide return to the shareholders.

If shareholders don't care as seen on those potato chips (mostly on goreng stocks, no offence), as goreng stocks, people (shareholders because stuck with it, rather than wish to become shareholders tongue.gif ) care about share price being goreng or not only, they don't care much about company financial situation, most of the time, those company keep on delivering 'red' result across, even after 10 yearsor even longer, company situation remains the same like (ai si meh si).
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Darn right, I still feel that generally Malaysian stocks are pretty slow and cyclic and prone to react to other markets. So not surprise that speculator like to goreng our stocks, maybe to keep people from falling asleep biggrin.gif

I make it a point to run the nearest exit whenever i see abnormal bull or bearish trend in a stock which i can see no particular justification for it. THis is because our stocks are prone to be goreng.


Added on June 20, 2008, 7:35 amWith Badawi now facing vote of no confidence, the stock market is dropping like a rock. Genting is going to a new low

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is time to buy?...Target at 5
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Finally Lim Jr has done something and shares seems to be improving now. Is it a good time to cash in or is it better to wait. It looks to be in rocket mode right now.

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RSI seems to have hit 50% now and waiting to see if it can hit 70%. It looks good at MACD with cross indication at 5.45 level.
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I dont think Genting is in bad shape. Genting itself is full of cash, thats not a worry. Worse come worse, they just have to ditch those subsidary that are making losses. Sometimes its good to have some 'holes' to hide your wealth. Otherwise a big part of it will eventually ends up in Abdullah's armpit.

Genting has sort of becoming a group rather than just a casino. They will need to diversified a bit as in order to reduce dependancy on profit from gambling alone. I think if they ditch other businesses, sure the government will press them even more for higher tax return. I think Singapore is the only way out for Genting to continue its survival if things went wrong here.
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too bad todays news came out on such a black day ... else it could have lifted the price higher

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 26 2008, 11:40 PM)
Genting has sort of becoming a group rather than just a casino. They will need to diversified a bit as in order to reduce dependancy on profit from gambling alone. I think if they ditch other businesses, sure the government will press them even more for higher tax return. I think Singapore is the only way out for Genting to continue its survival if things went wrong here.
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Errr.. currently Genting move is indicating it is moving in opposite direction, acquired UK casino, under construction Singapore casino while they have public announced, if price is right, they want to dispose Genting Sanyen IPP, also rumuor talk in the market of disposing of Asiatic.

Yes, Singapore casino is important and will be one of the main source of income for Genting future.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 27 2008, 05:10 PM)
Errr.. currently Genting move is indicating it is moving in opposite direction, acquired UK casino, under construction Singapore casino while they have public announced, if price is right, they want to dispose Genting Sanyen IPP, also rumuor talk in the market of disposing of Asiatic. 

Yes, Singapore casino is important and will be one of the main source of income for Genting future.
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I think they are in " comfort zone " business for too long, and they see other businesses as not " lucrative to consider ".

However, the profit margin of UK casinos is barely enough to cover the loan interest. To me, any business if profit is not enough to cover bank interest, it is not lucrative at all.

Just my 2sen.

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I think they are in " comfort zone  " business for  too long, and they see other businesses as not " lucrative to consider ".

However, the profit margin of UK casinos is barely enough to cover the loan interest. To me, any business if profit is not enough to cover bank interest, it is not lucrative at all. 

Just my 2sen.
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If not mistaken, from Genting International report, those UK casinos are making a loss eating into the core business profit.

If one had been in UK casinos before, one will know gambling attitude in those countries are not as strong as in Asian. May be it is the culture and also if one wants to gamble, there are many source for it, ranging from soccer bet, house racing, even can bet who will be the prime minister one. So with easy accessible of various source, casino is not seen the ultimate target for gambling.
I am might wrong, correct me if I am wrong.

Just my opinion.
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If not mistaken, from Genting International report, those UK casinos are making a loss eating into the core business profit.

If one had been in UK casinos before, one will know gambling attitude in those countries are not as strong as in Asian. May be it is the culture and also if one wants to gamble, there are many source for it, ranging from soccer bet, house racing, even can bet who will be the prime minister one. So with easy accessible of various source, casino is not seen the ultimate target for gambling.
I am might wrong, correct me if I am wrong.

Just my opinion.
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That is correct. Another reason is that there are more gambling licensees in UK than in Malaysia/Sg. And they can gamble online, via phone ,etc.

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That is correct. Another reason is that there are more gambling licensees in UK than in Malaysia/Sg. And they can gamble online, via phone ,etc.
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Hmm I always thought Genting's main aim is the online casino licenses the UK holds. Like William Hill which operates a variety of bets in the UK. With Gentings license in UK, they can operate the same online business in UK and the world I believe.
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GENTING drop -0.45 to 5.00 laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Good time to bet on Genting?
By TEE LIN SAY

IT FEELS like a long time ago that Malaysia enjoyed a certain premium to its share valuations because of its political stability. In fact, the turning point was a fairly recent event — the general election on March 8.

Since then, our political landscape has changed significantly, and there is much to be played out before it can reach some form of equilibrium.

Hence, we have stocks gyrating wildly each time there is a major development involving politicians and parties. For the most part, however, the Composite Index has been heading south, indicating a preference to exit rather than an opportunity to buy.

Most of the blue chips haven’t been spared, including some that deserve better. Genting Bhd is an example.

It is a premier leisure and hospitality company that delivers stable earnings, is in a net cash position and has exposure to Singapore’s multibillion-dollar integrated resort development on Sentosa Island.

Yet, Genting’s share price is on a relentless down trend since March, hitting its 52-week low of RM5.15 on June 19. It has since recovered a little but is still about 30% down on a year-to-date basis.

Judging by a Bloomberg poll of recommendations, most analyst are still bullish on Genting, with 19 out of 26 analysts maintaining a “Buy†call. Six have a “Neutral†call and one has a “Trading Buy†call.

The target prices worked out by the research outfits mostly range from RM6.70 to RM11.70, which is well above the current market price.

“During the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) outbreak, Genting was trading at a price earnings (PE) ratio of 13 times. At that time, leisure and hospitality accounted for two thirds of its operating profits,†says TA Securities gaming analyst James Ratnam.

“Today, its others businesses like power, oil and gas, and plantations are contributing close to 50% of its operating profits. Yet it is trading at 11x PE because of the global de-rating.†He has a RM6.95 target price for the stock.

The betting abates

Analysts say investors may have a few concerns regarding Genting’s prospects. For one, along with the global economic uncertainty, there has been a general de-rating on casino stocks as high rollers are expected to take a break with their bets.

A combination of competition, inflation and high borrowings have pushed global casino stocks to retrace by 40% to 60%.

As betting is considered a luxury, the hard times may see a drop in casino patrons as they opt to stash their cash.

Genting may also be affected by the knock-on effect of the sudden steep hike in petrol pump prices and weakening consumer sentiment. This is likely to result in a reduction in visitors to the Genting Highlands resort.

“Foreigners look at Genting as a gaming play. Casinos in Macau, Britain and Las Vegas aren’t doing too well, so the foreign investors assume Genting is also in the same boat,†says an analyst from RHB Research.

She explains that Genting’s target market is different from those of the other casinos. Genting depends more on the domestic market than on foreign tourists.

“Macau casinos, for instance, generate money mainly from the high rollers, while in Genting, high rollers only make up about 30% of total casino revenues. Genting’s casino players are mostly day trippers, people who just come up to enjoy the cool air for a day and do not bet a lot of money,†she says.

The cost overrun factor

Reason No. 2 that’s bogging down Genting’s share price is the worry about Genting International Plc’s (GIL) projected construction cost for its integrated resort in Singapore.

GIL, Genting’s 53.4% subsidiary, is building the integrated resort on Sentosa Island for up to S$6bil (RM14.3bil), which is about S$800mil, or 15%, above its initial budget of S$5.2bil due mainly to higher construction expenses.

The management has reiterated that they have managed to buy forward their raw materials, but investors remain wary. They wonder exactly how much Genting has managed to stock up.

“People are still cautious as to how much raw materials one can buy forward? This is especially when every other construction company has been affected by rising costs. So what makes GIL different?†asks an analyst from a local house.

The analyst from RHB Research says she would not be surprise if the budgeted cost increased further, given the cost overruns incurred for other large construction projects in the region, due to high raw material prices.

“It is quite difficult to buy a significant amount of raw material at forward rates. Furthermore, Genting has only subcontracted out about RM2bil of the RM6bil project cost of construction jobs. So it may not have bought forward enough, since it has only allocated a third of the work,†she says.

Ratnam says most of the company’s requirement for steel and cement has been locked in last year.

“Yes, it is quite likely that there will be a cost overrun above the RM6bil mentioned. If Genting needs to raise funds, it shouldn’t be a problem, considering its name and track record,†he says.

“Genting has already made provisions of RM250mil in its accounts. Besides, it also has S$300mil of credit standby facilities. So if there is a cost overrun, I think Genting has factored in that possibility and has also provided for it,†says the local analyst.

Higher gaming taxes?

Another share price dampener is the likelihood of an increase in gaming taxes when Budget 2009 is tabled in parliament next month.

At present, Malaysia’s gaming tax of 25% on gross gaming net win is already the second highest in Asia.

A higher tax structure will erode the competitiveness of the Genting Highlands casino, considering that Singapore is scheduled to open two casinos in 2010.

Genting is also unable to pass on this cost increase to consumers. Based on 2008 figures, a gaming analyst says a 1% tax increase will set the company back by RM41mil.

The analyst from RHB Research says there logically shouldn’t be a hike in gaming taxes as this will only increase illegal gambling and reduce government revenue in the longer term.

“However, given the government’s immediate need to raise money for its coffers, we would not be surprised if this were to happen, based on the precedent set by the recent implementation of windfall taxes,†she says.

A powerful catalyst

With Genting taking such a beating recently, this could be a good time to revisit the stock.

A possible catalyst that has been talked about for a while is Genting selling off its power assets, which analysts reckon are worth some RM4bil.

The power division, under Genting Power Holdings Ltd, has a net attributable generating capacity of about 1,450MW from its interests in seven power plants in Malaysia, China and India.

The power division is now the second largest contributor to Genting’s earnings. Management has always mentioned that over time, there are plans to concentrate more on their core business of gaming.

CIMB Research says the possible sale of the power assets, at the right price, will unlock more cash, which can either be returned to shareholders or be used for gaming expansion.

Genting has expanded its casino footprint into Britain, Singapore and the Philippines in the last one year.

Recently, Tenaga Nasional Bhd has written to Genting to officially indicate its interest in the latter’s power assets, but no formal proposal has been given to the gaming-based conglomerate yet.

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Errr.. currently Genting move is indicating it is moving in opposite direction, acquired UK casino, under construction Singapore casino while they have public announced, if price is right, they want to dispose Genting Sanyen IPP, also rumuor talk in the market of disposing of Asiatic. 

Yes, Singapore casino is important and will be one of the main source of income for Genting future.
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most probably Asiatic will sold off, partly they want to focus on gambling business
and due to the rise of oil palm price, the net value of Asiatic went up quite a lot, not to say Genting in bad shape, rather say it they having low cash flow with the construction of Singapore casino and loss in UK casino
things will be good after the Singapore casino completed
btw the location of the casino is good location compare to the others, straight go in Sentosa island and u will spot the casino, my mum had bought the Genting share in Singapore share market, around $1++ if i'm not mistaken
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most probably Asiatic will sold off, partly they want to focus on gambling business
and due to the rise of oil palm price, the net value of Asiatic went up quite a lot, not to say Genting in bad shape, rather say it they having low cash flow with the construction of Singapore casino and loss in UK casino
things will be good after the Singapore casino completed
btw the location of the casino is good location compare to the others, straight go in Sentosa island and u will spot the casino, my mum had bought the Genting share in Singapore share market, around $1++ if i'm not mistaken
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I am waiting to sell my genting share at 5.80. Hopefully i am able to sell off by this week.


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I am waiting to sell my genting share at 5.80. Hopefully i am able to sell off by this week.
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We might even see volatility increase close to the UMNO election? When is it taking place by the way? If the outcome seems positive, then we might see more stability.
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The best time to buy a stock is when people are no longer interested in the stock market. And so far, our trading volume has been giving us big hint.

This remains an opportunity who wants to scoop really low dividend yield shares; so i see Genting as an opportunity to buy and hold. (or at least 2-3 years)
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We might even see volatility increase close to the UMNO election? When is it taking place by the way? If the outcome seems positive, then we might see more stability.
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UMNO general election is in dec, so gotta wait for next year
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jul 14 2008, 06:55 PM)
UMNO general election is in dec, so gotta wait for next year
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I hope this crisis would last until end of 2009 or 2010. Hehe.
By then, I should have accumulated enough smile.gif
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Ah, there's still time for me to accumulate tongue.gif
I hope this crisis would last until end of 2009 or 2010. Hehe.
By then, I should have accumulated enough smile.gif
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it will take at least a few years in order the new casino to see profit coming in.

1) The contructions will have a substantial budget overrun(minor or major) in the construction and up and down here and there.

2) BLR Rates going up, loan borrowing will be another burden
3) Even if the casino open, the company have not earn any profit yet need time in order to see results

4) May have less tourist due to nearby competition. alot of risk here and there.
5) Promotions and marketing to attract tourist. alot of hidden cash flow needed.
6) High salary, wages,overhead, utilites to maintain man power.
7) Political front looks not good.
8) Global economy dampening and less high rollers turn up.
9) Higher Gambling Tax etc
10) Inflation Going up

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Mouth say long term but in the heart scare like hell whether it will go up or not.
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Mouth say long term but in the heart scare like hell whether it will go up or not.
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Although there are a lot of uncertainties with the future earnings of Genting, I still believe that it is a stable group.
Current volatility will only present an entry opportunity at a cheaper price if one sees future earnings of Genting to recover in the longer term. If you have the holding power, you do not have to worry.
I was also holding on to my TENAGA bought at RM10, even when the price dropped to RM6.xx. In the end, I was still able to recover some of my losses smile.gif
Preseverance is the key.
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Although there are a lot of uncertainties with the future earnings of Genting, I still believe that it is a stable group.
Current volatility will only present an entry opportunity at a cheaper price if one sees future earnings of Genting to recover in the longer term. If you have the holding power, you do not have to worry.
I was also holding on to my TENAGA bought at RM10, even when the price dropped to RM6.xx. In the end, I was still able to recover some of my losses smile.gif
Preseverance is the key.
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correct, that's the mentality of proper investor
my mum used to taught me not to playing short term, is sort like gamble, look further of the company for few more years, analysis and do a decision, whether if it drop just hold it
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correct, that's the mentality of proper investor
my mum used to taught me not to playing short term, is sort like gamble, look further of the company for few more years, analysis and do a decision, whether if it drop just hold it
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Out of curiousity, may I know at what price you bought your GENTING?
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QUOTE(lowyat888 @ Jul 15 2008, 11:21 AM)
it will  take at least a few years in order the new casino to see profit coming in.

1) The contructions will have a substantial budget overrun(minor or major) in the construction and up and down here and there.

2) BLR Rates going up, loan borrowing will be another burden
3) Even if the casino open, the company have not earn any profit yet need time in order to see results

4) May have less tourist due to nearby competition. alot of risk here and there.
5) Promotions and marketing  to attract tourist. alot of hidden cash flow needed.
6) High salary, wages,overhead, utilites to maintain man power.
7) Political front looks not good.
8) Global economy dampening and less high rollers turn up.
9) Higher Gambling Tax etc
10) Inflation Going up
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Hi,

How deep do you think Genting would go for ? It's time to accumulate some although there is a risk.

Thank You. smile.gif
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Out of curiousity, may I know at what price you bought your GENTING?
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i didn't buy any genting share,
btw i still don't have the fund to buy share or have permit to buy
my parents do have a Genting share in Singapore share market which bought in around $1++
she don't dare to touch Malaysia Genting share because she think it is overprice, last time she focus on Public Bank at RM6.50 and IJM plantation at RM1.50, which now the share price increase more than 50%, pretty good huh
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jul 16 2008, 04:13 PM)
i didn't buy any genting share,
btw i still don't have the fund to buy share or have permit to buy
my parents do have a Genting share in Singapore share market which bought in around $1++
she don't dare to touch Malaysia Genting share because she think it is overprice, last time she focus on Public Bank at RM6.50 and IJM plantation at RM1.50, which now the share price increase more than 50%, pretty good huh
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I see. I thought you bought GENTING from your previous remark smile.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jul 16 2008, 04:13 PM)
i didn't buy any genting share,
btw i still don't have the fund to buy share or have permit to buy
my parents do have a Genting share in Singapore share market which bought in around $1++
she don't dare to touch Malaysia Genting share because she think it is overprice, last time she focus on Public Bank at RM6.50 and IJM plantation at RM1.50, which now the share price increase more than 50%, pretty good huh
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see ur parent are good investor... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jul 16 2008, 06:33 PM)
see ur parent are good investor... tongue.gif
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so-so, my dad involved in Plantation so he know more about those company, others board he not so familiar
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Yes, that is a good point. Buying shares is not just about luck or how good you see the company's earnings. You also need to know what are you investing in actually. That is the very basic of investing. It ensures that you know what you should do in certain situations, and you will know if what the company is doing would bring the best of interest for shareholders smile.gif
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Malaysia may raise gaming tax, say research firms

MALAYSIA may raise gaming tax for the first time since 1999 to boost revenue, said several research firms.

The tax system was changed eight years ago, when a graduated tax of between 22 per cent and 25 per cent, was turned into a flat 25 per cent tax on casino revenue.

"We believe there is a chance that the tax could be increased at the (2009) budget, handed down late next month. This is especially the case given the deteriorating outlook for the local economy," Loong Chee Wei, an analysts at CLSA wrote in a report yesterday.

Over the past one month, two of the country's cash generators, namely the palm oil sector and independent power producers were slapped with windfall taxes, that could generate an extra RM2 billion a year for the government.

Concerns over a possible steep tax increase have pushed shares of Resorts World Bhd, and those of parent shareholder Genting Bhd to their lowest since 2001, based on price to book value valuations.

In that year, investors dumped gaming stocks over concerns of lower tourist arrivals due to the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) virus.

"Valuations are below the SARS doomsday scenario," CIMB's research unit said in a report last month, arguing that the selldown reflects political worries, currency weakness and a global gaming de-rating.

Analysts note that Resorts for example, if its net cash of RM1.06 billion is excluded, is actually trading at a price to earnings multiple last seen in 1999.

Based on the current gaming tax regime, Resorts paid some RM1.02 billion in gaming tax last year, and is scheduled to pay some RM1.07 billion this year, but the payment could rise further if the tax regime is changed.

"In the run-up to the budget, there are concerns of a possible duty hike ..., a 30 per cent gaming tax rate is unreasonable, in our view, given that Singapore's upcoming integrated resorts will only be paying 15 per cent tax on grind gaming revenues," wrote Loke Foong Wai, a research analyst at Credit Suisse, in a report last week.

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

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me ! 5.30 ... bugg e r counter having a difficult time to go past 5.30
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genting seems to be buying back its own shares today .. 5.25 - 5.35

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genting seems to be buying back its own shares today .. 5.25 - 5.35
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It has definately hit support level. Just cleared my position at 5.60. Got in at 5.45 so it was not a big gain but better than none.

Market is unstable due to rumour of PAS and UMNO are conducting secret meetings.

GOod thing is that the US market is recovering and help us along too.
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yup let mine go at 5.60 too ..... it'll fall back to 5.25 - 5.30 sooner or later .... buy it back then

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i borrow dad CDS account and told him to buy when it was at 5.35.. dunno bought d onot

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today genting is closed at 5.80 with highest at 5.95. Still thinking that the price will come down due to DJ is down by 121.15 and its only Tuesday.. hahaha will have plenty to pick from on Friday
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wah. so high d a??

just wanna ask. the genting in MALAYSIA and the GEnting in singapore stock exchange diff ke?

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wah. so high d a??

just wanna ask. the genting in MALAYSIA and the GEnting in singapore stock exchange diff ke?
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The one in KLSE is Genting Berhad, and the one in SGX is Genting International PLC.
Genting International is a subsidiary of Genting Berhad.
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QUOTE(selenium @ Jul 29 2008, 10:26 PM)
wah. so high d a??

just wanna ask. the genting in MALAYSIA and the GEnting in singapore stock exchange diff ke?
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it is not very high, a year ago it was hitting RM 8-9 ringgit and now it is barely able to reach 6 ringgit. It used to be a good dividen stock. Hope it stays that way


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Hi there,

I read a few of the pages since the thread started... but i did some minor mini research via thestar.com.my

based on what i saw, genting posted some good revenue over earnings. 2 billion revenue with 600million profit.
somehow i dun see much growth in the stocks nor dividend payout. (i remembered the exdate of june 26 was like 4.3% of share prices)
the share prices have been plummeting since 2007 from 40++ ( i believe some splits might have happened there ) to rm9++ then continous till today at rm5++ this month before rebounding back.

is there something wrong with the cash flow (tied with the resort in singapore) and what should i be banking on if i were to invest right now?

I apologise if my research were incomplete or missed out a lot of important details. can anyone clear the doubts whether genting is still worth the investment?
good profit but low growth and low dividend payouts


thanks


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QUOTE(kokhoe8 @ Jul 30 2008, 12:00 PM)
Hi there,

I read a few of the pages since the thread started... but i did some minor mini research via thestar.com.my

based on what i saw, genting posted some good revenue over earnings. 2 billion revenue with 600million profit.
somehow i dun see much growth in the stocks nor dividend payout. (i remembered the exdate of june 26 was like 4.3% of share prices)
the share prices have been plummeting since 2007 from 40++ ( i believe some splits might have happened there ) to rm9++ then continous till today at rm5++ this month before rebounding back.

is there something wrong with the cash flow (tied with the resort in singapore) and what should i be banking on if i were to invest right now?

I apologise if my research were incomplete or missed out a lot of important details. can anyone clear the doubts whether genting is still worth the investment?
good profit but low growth and low dividend payouts
thanks
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If you DID read this thread, then you will find the answers.
You already know that their cash is tied to the Singapore casino now, so it is very obvious they have less cash for dividend.
Inflation could cause hurt to Genting's revenue as well, as less people would drive up there just to have fun.
Unless the Singapore casino is doing very well, or there's a turnaround in its UK casinos, we won't see a large jump in its price.
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wow. so question??
what if i buy from BSM genting stock.

will it be affected by the casino opening in singapore?

or will genting international be more of a stand alone share complete seperate from Genting bhd

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wow. so question??
what if i buy from BSM genting stock.

will it be affected by the casino opening in singapore?

or will genting international be more of a stand alone share complete seperate from Genting bhd
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I think I have just mentioned in the previous page that Genting International IS a subsidiary of Genting Berhad.
So, whatever losses/gains in Genting Internation DIRECTLY affects Genting Berhad as well rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kokhoe8 @ Jul 30 2008, 12:00 PM)
Hi there,

I read a few of the pages since the thread started... but i did some minor mini research via thestar.com.my

based on what i saw, genting posted some good revenue over earnings. 2 billion revenue with 600million profit.
somehow i dun see much growth in the stocks nor dividend payout. (i remembered the exdate of june 26 was like 4.3% of share prices)
the share prices have been plummeting since 2007 from 40++ ( i believe some splits might have happened there ) to rm9++ then continous till today at rm5++ this month before rebounding back.

is there something wrong with the cash flow (tied with the resort in singapore) and what should i be banking on if i were to invest right now?

I apologise if my research were incomplete or missed out a lot of important details. can anyone clear the doubts whether genting is still worth the investment?
good profit but low growth and low dividend payouts
thanks
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if i'm not mistaken
the previous genting share price was quote at $0.50 before the split into $0.10
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if i'm not mistaken
the previous genting share price was quote at $0.50 before the split into $0.10
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Genting was having a 1:5 split peviously.
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Genting was having a 1:5 split peviously.
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With EPS of around 50 sen and dividend yield of about 2 - 3%. I don see any attactiveness of this stock right now. As there are a lot of new casino recently being built. Most of the ppl will go macau. I think genting is facing a lot of challenges.... Especially the UK casino is facing a lot of problem and is making a loss so far. IF you feel to go macau casino you can go anytime as long as you got some money. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jul 30 2008, 09:10 PM)
With EPS of around 50 sen and dividend yield of about 2 - 3%. I don see any attactiveness of this stock right now. As there are a lot of new casino recently being built. Most of the ppl will go macau. I think genting is facing a lot of challenges.... Especially the UK casino is facing a lot of problem and is making a loss so far. IF you feel to go macau casino you can go anytime as long as you got some money.  biggrin.gif
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True, there are many more attractive fishes with dividend yield of 8-15% available like BAT, DIGI and CALSBERG
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Genting going to go up this week. biggrin.gif
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Genting going to go up this week. biggrin.gif
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as long as the oil price is going down, blue chips are going to rally
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Not really. There is no corelation between price of oil with our blue chips (except for those CPO counters).
The main concern would be inflation and IR that would affect most of the blue chips.
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Haha, of course. Even though we have different approaches, we still share the philosophy of not going into a stock at high value brows.gif
Not really. There is no corelation between price of oil with our blue chips (except for those CPO counters).
The main concern would be inflation and IR that would affect most of the blue chips.
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I think this month we shall see oil fall below 120, which means its good for us since starting from sept 1, we pay market value, not more than 2.70.


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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Aug 4 2008, 12:33 AM)
I think this month we shall see oil fall below 120, which means its good for us since starting from sept 1, we pay market value, not more than 2.70.
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Well, that is true. But still, I do not see reasons why people would accumulate blue chips just because of the fall in oil price though.
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Well, that is true. But still, I do not see reasons why people would accumulate blue chips just because of the fall in oil price though.
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Oil price effect is short term for stock because of potential relief on inflation side. Those aftermath of effect of lower oil price needs to translate into real economy term aka low inflation, better growth, then yes, stocks can rally. By no mean, even if oil price drop to below USD80, there won't be inflation problem, may be problem will be reduced, but it doesn't mean it will solve it totally.

Take another scenario if oil price dropped to USD30, but economy is in deep recession, stocks will plunge as well.
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Haha, of course. Even though we have different approaches, we still share the philosophy of not going into a stock at high value brows.gif
Not really. There is no corelation between price of oil with our blue chips (except for those CPO counters).
The main concern would be inflation and IR that would affect most of the blue chips.
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I agree. High oil price causes inflation that effects the whole stock market. This includes blue chips as well. At the first sign of lower oil price, investor will start bargain hunting blue chips which drives them up too. I know that inflation is not 100% due to just oil price but in Malaysia it is a big deal despite we are an oil producing nation.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 4 2008, 09:45 AM)
Oil price effect is short term for stock because of potential relief on inflation side. Those aftermath of effect of lower oil price needs to translate into real economy term aka low inflation, better growth, then yes, stocks can rally. By no mean, even if oil price drop to below USD80, there won't be inflation problem, may be problem will be reduced, but it doesn't mean it will solve it totally.

Take another scenario if oil price dropped to USD30, but economy is in deep recession, stocks will plunge as well.
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Yeah, If a nation's economy is in recession, stocks will plunge due to lack of investor confidence towards the country as a whole. Similarly like the US investor switch to investing in Asia during the height of the US subprime issue and now they are back in their own market.


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The falling price of crude oil will boost consumer sentiment which then will boost consumer spending somewhat.
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QUOTE(georgechang79 @ Aug 5 2008, 12:11 AM)
I think you are talking about petrol prices which acording to our PM, they plan to reduce it by 30 sens to 2.40/liter if the oil price/barrel maintains below 120 for 3 weeks.
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Government has only mentioned that prices at the pumps will still be 30 cents below the average market price, subject to a cap of RM2.70.
The price for September has NOT been decided yet. I don't know where you got the figure of RM2.40 though wink.gif

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The falling price of crude oil will boost consumer sentiment which then will boost consumer spending somewhat.
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I agree with this, but still with the escalating prices of other goods, consumer sentiment would still remain low until greater measures are announced in the budget.
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Aug 5 2008, 12:48 AM)
The falling price of crude oil will boost consumer sentiment which then will boost consumer spending somewhat.
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In US, may be, I don't know, but in Malaysia, damage had been done on consumer front or precisely individual micro issue. Those foods price, goods price, electricity bill won't be going down even crude oil price dropped to below USD100.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Aug 5 2008, 02:10 AM)
Government has only mentioned that prices at the pumps will still be 30 cents below the average market price, subject to a cap of RM2.70.
The price for September has NOT been decided yet. I don't know where you got the figure of RM2.40 though wink.gif
I agree with this, but still with the escalating prices of other goods, consumer sentiment would still remain low until greater measures are announced in the budget.
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Yes Jordy what you say is true to the letter. Was thinking about Anwar promise of the petrol at RM 2 compared with Badawi's 2.40 by directly taking existing price minus the 30 cents rebate, when typing the reply. Will edit the prior posts.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 4 2008, 08:31 PM)
In US, may be, I don't know, but in Malaysia, damage had been done on consumer front or precisely individual micro issue. Those foods price, goods price, electricity bill won't be going down even crude oil price dropped to below USD100.
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Yes cherroy, that's why i said, somewhat. Malaysians are tired of the political bickering and as more foreign funds are selling local shares, its tough for anyone to buy and hold for few weeks; maybe hold for 5 years to really make a decent profit.


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Genting RM5.55 now. Can buy in? or resort safer?
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QUOTE(Chester @ Aug 23 2008, 11:10 PM)
Genting RM5.55 now. Can buy in? or resort safer?
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im waiting for it to come down 5.2.. markets are soo bearish! no need to be in a hurry to get in.Infact dont be in a hurry to get in AT ALL!!!!!

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WAIT for budget 2009...winfall tax on sink stock...
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good call hanif..My entry point has been wiped from this market lol


Added on September 12, 2008, 8:00 pmgenting wants to go down.. wont be surprise to see it sell below 4rm a share

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Genting today lowest 4.980, now is 5.050. Recommend to buy?
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QUOTE(XfX @ Sep 15 2008, 10:42 AM)
Genting today lowest 4.980, now is 5.050. Recommend to buy?
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Personally i don like this stock...

1. Kedekut in giving dividend... DY is less than 1% at current price...
2. EPS is not attractive either.

It oversea investment will start to earn not so soon at least few years time...

I beliv there will be a slowdown in our economy and holding this type of stock which can say (dividend like no dividend) is not worth it at all. At least if you are holding some dividend stock you can have some income if the price of the stock maintain there or go down further....

My personal view though biggrin.gif

It will only catch my attention at price below RM 4.00

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What would be a good price to start monitoring Genting?
If Pakatan Rakyat manages to govern, will Genting loses its gaming license due to pressure from PAS?

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 16 2008, 07:45 AM)
What would be a good price to start monitoring Genting?
If Pakatan Rakyat manages to govern, will Genting loses its gaming license due to pressure from PAS?
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i dun think so....... u cant take it bac like dat i presume
on the other hand... GENTING is a major income stream for M'sia...


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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Sep 15 2008, 11:14 AM)
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dont touch it now...
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y? any reasons behind?
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Genting @ RM4.80 now
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Sep 17 2008, 03:51 PM)
y? any reasons behind?
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Becos the valuation is still high...Some more not dividend stock...
Imagine if economy slowdown for 5 years. You are going to hold this stock without any income...
Better then putting your money into FD...
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 17 2008, 04:55 PM)
Becos the valuation is still high...Some more not dividend stock...
Imagine if economy slowdown for 5 years. You are going to hold this stock without any income...
Better then putting your money into FD...
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hmm... u got a good point there.... something for me to think about hmm.gif
i still hold some GENTING stock and was thinking whether to apply downward averaging.... quite scary by looking at the recent drop.... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Sep 17 2008, 09:44 PM)
hmm... u got a good point there.... something for me to think about  hmm.gif
i still hold some GENTING stock and was thinking whether to apply downward averaging.... quite scary by looking at the recent drop.... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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i din suggest you to sell it ok biggrin.gif
But if you not yet investing on it i am suggesting that maybe can enter on a lower price. I beliv there are few others stock which is more attractive than Genting.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 17 2008, 09:16 PM)
i din suggest you to sell it ok  biggrin.gif
But if you not yet investing on it i am suggesting that maybe can enter on a lower price. I beliv there are few others stock which is more attractive than Genting.
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What price is a good price?
I am an Accounting & Finance graduate.
I have about 8 years working experience.
I read books about Warren Buffett.
And still I don't know how to value a stock.
Is there a secret formula you guys use?
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 18 2008, 08:09 AM)
What price is a good price?
I am an Accounting & Finance graduate.
I have about 8 years working experience.
I read books about Warren Buffett.
And still I don't know how to value a stock.
Is there a secret formula you guys use?
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Basically you got to understand how that company operate in the first place.
You got to know how much cash can be generated every year on that company
The balance sheet of that company
You got to know these before you evaluate it i think...
Not all stock you can value it...
Only the company business with steady income line you can value it i think...
For example construction company is very hard to valuate as it share price is base on project speculation...

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 17 2008, 09:16 PM)
i din suggest you to sell it ok  biggrin.gif
But if you not yet investing on it i am suggesting that maybe can enter on a lower price. I beliv there are few others stock which is more attractive than Genting.
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haha... no worries.... i just want to listen to other's opinion..... thumbup.gif
other stock? for example? YTL Power must be one of it tongue.gif

QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 18 2008, 08:04 AM)
Basically you got to understand how that company operate in the first place.
You got to know how much cash can be generated every year on that company
The balance sheet of that company
You got to know these before you evaluate it i think...
Not all stock you can value it...
Only the company business with steady income line you can value it i think...
For example construction company is very hard to valuate as it share price is base on project speculation...
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Is there any sites that provide such info?

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 18 2008, 07:09 AM)
What price is a good price?
I am an Accounting & Finance graduate.
I have about 8 years working experience.
I read books about Warren Buffett.
And still I don't know how to value a stock.
Is there a secret formula you guys use?
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Secret?
It is open secret that everyone knows which is very simple, how much the company going to generate return rate to the shareholders in the future.
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<<other stock? for example? YTL Power must be one of it tongue.gif>>

Yup exactly biggrin.gif the one and only stock i look into now... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 18 2008, 10:28 AM)
Secret?
It is open secret that everyone knows which is very simple, how much the company going to generate return rate to the shareholders in the future.
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That's a naive opinion.

Value investing is almost non-existent here because most Malaysians trade for short-term gain rather than invest long-term. Just look at REITS for example, below NTA and dividend yield up to 10% (and with lower tax) - why is there no interest?

If you're going to buy, look for more popular stocks ...preferably stocks that funds look at.

On Genting, I think it's not time to buy yet because there are still so many uncertainties inside and outside our country. FYI, I sold everything 2 weeks ago (more than RM100k) because I expect KLSE to tumble further.

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 18 2008, 08:04 AM)
Basically you got to understand how that company operate in the first place.
You got to know how much cash can be generated every year on that company
The balance sheet of that company
You got to know these before you evaluate it i think...
Not all stock you can value it...
Only the company business with steady income line you can value it i think...
For example construction company is very hard to valuate as it share price is base on project speculation...
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Do buy stocks that you know and for the stocks that you not sure or zero knowledge do keep it aside.

Do treat the stock u buy as a lover coz you like it thn u buy else you won't want to hold it.


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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Sep 18 2008, 12:29 PM)
That's a naive opinion.

Value investing is almost non-existent here because most Malaysians trade for short-term gain rather than invest long-term. Just look at REITS for example, below NTA and dividend yield up to 10% (and with lower tax) - why is there no interest?

If you're going to buy, look for more popular stocks ...preferably stocks that funds look at.

On Genting, I think it's not time to buy yet because there are still so many uncertainties inside and outside our country. FYI, I sold everything 2 weeks ago (more than RM100k) because I expect KLSE to tumble further.
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Becos you are naive and you don know how to see the financial data...

Not every stock can do value investing...I can say most of the stock now still selling at expensive price...

So if you don know how to evaluate the stock value... basically you are buying "buta"

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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Sep 18 2008, 11:29 AM)
That's a naive opinion.

Value investing is almost non-existent here because most Malaysians trade for short-term gain rather than invest long-term. Just look at REITS for example, below NTA and dividend yield up to 10% (and with lower tax) - why is there no interest?

If you're going to buy, look for more popular stocks ...preferably stocks that funds look at.

On Genting, I think it's not time to buy yet because there are still so many uncertainties inside and outside our country. FYI, I sold everything 2 weeks ago (more than RM100k) because I expect KLSE to tumble further.
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Yes, there's the problem of KLSE. But if you had invested in those yield 10% one, then you are earning 10% each year, don't need to bother about the share price much. It is the benefit of value investing, you don't rely on share price to make money.
Although I do agree some stocks especially those low liquidity stocks, share price doesn't reflect the actual situation but if company generate profit and giving dividend as mentioned, then don't need to worry much about share price. Instead if lower, dividend yield become higher, more attactive to buy more!

It is OK for Reit to trade below NAV, because if properties price is going to go down then it is a discount mechanism of market efficiency, (properties price goes down, then NAV of Reit will go down as well) Also with economy slowdown is highly will be happening, then occupancy rate will be lower which will result in lower yield. Market is working on discount mechanism and future forwards looking, that's why it is traded at discount.

Currently we are experiencing a big bear market, for stocks to trade way below their value is a norm only as there is a lot of fear factor that nobody knows how future economy will be.

But do have a look at BAT, Tanjong and others high dividend stocks, they are stubborn highly though even KLCI drop from 1,500 to below 1,000.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 18 2008, 11:38 AM)
Yes, there's the problem of KLSE. But if you had invested in those yield 10% one, then you are earning 10% each year, don't need to bother about the share price much. It is the benefit of value investing, you don't rely on share price to make money.
Although I do agree some stocks especially those low liquidity stocks, share price doesn't reflect the actual situation but if company generate profit and giving dividend as mentioned, then don't need to worry much about share price. Instead if lower, dividend yield become higher.

It is OK for Reit to trade below NAV, because if properties price is going to go down then it is a discount mechanism of market efficiency. Also with economy slowdown is highly will be happening, then occupancy rate will be lower which will result in lower yield. Market is working on discount mechanism and future forwards looking, that's why it is traded at discount.

Currently we are experiencing a big bear market, for stocks to trade way below their value is a norm only as there is a lot of fear factor that nobody knows how future economy will be.
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Personally don't believe that REITs are trading below NAV because of discount mechanism but rather lack of interest/buyers - so many days of 0 shares traded. Even REIT managers are in denial - asked for lower witholding tax and expected a surge in demand after it was granted (as reported in our local papers) ...BUT trading volume/interest is unchanged pre and post-budget.

Unfortunately, it's the same situation with most shares on KLSE. I've been trading for more than 10 years since my university days and this is what I learned.

P/S: actually Tanjong has fallen from a high of RM18.40 to RM12.40 this year.


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Becos you are naive and you don know how to see the financial data...

Not every stock can do value investing...I can say most of the stock now still selling at expensive price...

So if you don know how to evaluate the stock value... basically you are buying "buta"
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I'm not saying buy blindly.

I'm saying don't buy value stocks blindly - only buy value stocks that are liquid.

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QUOTE(Yahoo8888 @ Sep 18 2008, 12:31 PM)
Do buy stocks that you know and for the stocks that you not sure or zero knowledge do keep it aside.

Do treat the stock u buy as a lover coz you like it thn u buy else you won't want to hold it.
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Cannot treat stock as your lover. If something really bad happened on the company you still got to sell it to cut your losses..


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<<But do have a look at BAT, Tanjong and others high dividend stocks, they are stubborn highly though even KLCI drop from 1,500 to below 1,000.>>

Basically we got to see the first intention ppl buying this stock for... For these counter... ppl basically buying it for dividend. So basically ppl won sell it as long as the company keep on giving dividend. Unless the company really does not make profit or profit being eroded which lead to erode in divident then you will see the price bring adjusted down due to that....Or there is a interest rate hike which ppl will withdraw their money to put in FD instead of stock as it is safer..


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<<I'm saying don't buy value stocks blindly - only buy value stocks that are liquid.>>

As long as you are holding a good dividend stock with steady income stream, then actuallly the liquidity is not much of the concern. But i do agree with you liquidity do matter but i beliv there are some good dividend with high liquidity biggrin.gif

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Cannot treat stock as your lover. If something really bad happened on the company you still got to sell it to cut your losses..

I am referring the time you have interest at certain stock and u should like it very much then eventually u buy it ----- means lover. I didn't mean even the sky drop down and you still keep ur stock as ur pillow holding it tightly.

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genting 4.66 still on high side...i target 3.6 by 1Q2009
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It has rebounded. Hope, its price will not drop back again sad.gif
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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Sep 18 2008, 11:46 AM)
Personally don't believe that REITs are trading below NAV because of discount mechanism but rather lack of interest/buyers - so many days of 0 shares traded. Even REIT managers are in denial - asked for lower witholding tax and expected a surge in demand after it was granted (as reported in our local papers) ...BUT trading volume/interest is unchanged pre and post-budget.

Unfortunately, it's the same situation with most shares on KLSE. I've been trading for more than 10 years since my university days and this is what I learned.

P/S: actually Tanjong has fallen from a high of RM18.40 to RM12.40 this year.


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I'm not saying buy blindly.

I'm saying don't buy value stocks blindly - only buy value stocks that are liquid.
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Yup, agree on certain point especially the 0 shares part, but discount mechanism did in place.

If you follow reit carefully, there are always got buyers in reit, just lack of liquidity and interest that hinder the transaction being done, actually, it is lacking sellers not buyers. For large position reit investors, it is much easy to sell rather than buy (without much distortion to share price) due to low liquidity problem of reit shares.
Volume only rise when there is substantial reit holders liquidate their position, otherwise, it is very low trade generally.

In most of the time, buyers in reit won't be stupid to jump upstair to buy sellers price either because reit is not like ordinary share, whereby reit upside potential is capped by its NAV and yield factor, which is very simple to monitor unlike ordinary share that can have unlimited upside potential.

Reit is unpopular in Malaysia, because it is boring and most retailers are more on speculative side. As said, upside potential is capped.

As said, if they are enable to give good yield, share price doesn't bother much except when one needs to cash out time.

For Tanjong or other stocks, can't judge from the peak everytime, need to look over the long term average.

Just like Genting, drop from 8-9 to 5, drop a lot, but it is still considered at high or average level if look at 5 years chart whether from perspective of price alone or PER.

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Yup, agree on certain point especially the 0 shares part, but discount mechanism did in place.

If you follow reit carefully, there are always got buyers in reit, just lack of liquidity and interest that hinder the transaction being done, actually, it is lacking sellers not buyers. For large position reit investors, it is much easy to sell rather than buy (without much distortion to share price) due to low liquidity problem of reit shares.
Volume only rise when there is substantial reit holders liquidate their position, otherwise, it is very low trade generally.

In most of the time, buyers in reit won't be stupid to jump upstair to buy sellers price either because reit is not like ordinary share, whereby reit upside potential is capped by its NAV and yield factor, which is very simple to monitor unlike ordinary share that can have unlimited upside potential.

Reit is unpopular in Malaysia, because it is boring and most retailers are more on speculative side. As said, upside potential is capped.

As said, if they are enable to give good yield, share price doesn't bother much except when one needs to cash out time.

For Tanjong or other stocks, can't judge from the peak everytime, need to look over the long term average.

Just like Genting, drop from 8-9 to 5, drop a lot, but it is still considered at high or average level if look at 5 years chart whether from perspective of price alone or PER.
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Need to OT a bit, talking about PER and price graphs/trends. Is there such thing as a PER graph/trend?
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Sep 23 2008, 06:05 PM)
Need to OT a bit, talking about PER and price graphs/trends. Is there such thing as a PER graph/trend?
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Investment houses do track when doing valuation, but I don't think got a graph on specific stock PER (I might be wrong), I saw it before on the indices one, but specific stocks until now, haven't see a real chart yet as this kind of chart or data is not consistent throughout as it depended on interpretation. Just like Genting was trading at 12x PER on previous year result, but after newly Q result come out, whether one take annualised PER or still using old full year financial data to compute it? With lastest Q result if annualised it, it easily come out more than 15x at current price.

So it is much more difficult to draw out a chart based on PER or PER graph/trend.

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<<Genting International pays S$300m to up RWS stake


KUALA LUMPUR: Genting International plc has acquired an additional 300 million new shares in Resorts World at Sentosa Pte Ltd (RWS) for cash consideration of S$300mil.

GIL said in a statement on Friday that the acquisition of the shares would raise its shareholding in RWS to two billion shares.

RWS was incorporated in Singapore in 2005. On Dec 8, 2006 it was awarded the right to develop an integrated resort projects on Sentosa Island by the Singapore government.

The funds for the acquisition of the 300 million new shares in RWS were raised from the renounceable underwritten rights issue of 3.61 billion new shares of 10 US cents each at an issue price of 60 Singapore cents. >>

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genting international suck at moment with 0 dividend yields since i got them last year, with their increased cost, it not wise for short investor (which i mean 5yrs) it will take at least 15-30 for this stock to soar, of course some calculation said it might be worth buying for it extreme low p/e ratio as most people ignore this stock,

there is an article written in WSJ asia, august edition 2008
genting international luck might switch on 2010, well this report can be search in google

genting berhad; fair value 3.5rm
resort fair value;2.5rm
genting international fair value; 0.36sing dollar

good luck
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QUOTE(normanTE @ Oct 3 2008, 11:48 PM)
genting international suck at moment with 0 dividend yields since i got them last year, with their increased cost, it not wise for short investor (which i mean 5yrs) it will take at least 15-30 for this stock to soar, of course some calculation said it might be worth buying for it extreme low p/e ratio as most people ignore this stock,

there is an article written in WSJ asia, august edition 2008
genting international luck might switch on 2010, well this report can be search in google

genting berhad; fair value 3.5rm
resort fair value;2.5rm
genting international fair value; 0.36sing dollar

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Genting was not yet in my list laugh.gif I just update the news on this counter nia
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genting berhad growing eps; average 10%
average dividend payout less than 1%
average return on equity 13%
average p/e 13%
putting in fd might earn u 3.6% but that doesnt beat inflation in long run,
but inview careful with overprice stock, like chasing a wagon.
as lesson for most jap 16 yrs ago nikkei stock sored more than 35000 point and 16 years later that mean today most stock in nikkei worth have 25% of it original value, then why no rebound?
careful......


Added on October 3, 2008, 11:04 pmthose calculation is for past 10 years average

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hi, anyone still got that indoor or outdoor voucher?.. can sell to me..(with good price la)..going mid december.
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All sifus.....
I am a sniper with limited bullets, not a delta force with machine gun...So If I have to choose between Resort & Genting, what would you say ? Which counter gains more benifits from Singapore Sentosa Casino business ? Since Genting owns Asiatic plantation counter, and we all know that CPO is falling, guess its earning will be affected by Asiatic but Resort will not be ?
Heard Genting gives vouchers to its share holders ? What vouchers they are ? Resort no voucher ah ? brows.gif My greedy fox tail comes out already...

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Heard Genting gives vouchers to its share holders ? What vouchers they are ? Resort no voucher ah ? brows.gif My greedy fox tail comes out already...


Genting vouchers include free 1 room night stay at first world (deluxe), Theme park (superior), Awana Kijal (deluxe), Porto Malai Langkawi (garden view room), free bus ticket, discount voucher...etc etc.

Genting promotion vouchers faq here
http://www.genting.com.my/promovoucher/2008/faq.htm

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If I have to choose between Genting and Resort, I personally find that Genting is more risky at this moment. Reasons below ;


Genting formed by Asiatic Development, Resort World and Genting International.

1) Since plantation field is not doing good now when Palm Oil price is declining hence the reduce of profit will be reflected in 2008 financial report earning.
2) Genting International is having lost in UK casino and Sentosa. Yet Singapore put restrictions on local people on gambling, so the gamblers are mainly foreigners. But most visitors in Singapore are business related purpose, so I doubt they will put much time in casino. Further more the currency is higher in the region. Wouldn't it be Genting Malaysia more attractive ?
3) Seems the only subsidiary that making profit is Resort World, however Genting Group holds 48.2% only...
4) Higher debt comparing to Resort World that is none.

I finds that Resort World would suffer lesser impact from the global downtrend because more than 70% revenue is from local visitors and day trippers. What would you all sifus say ?
BTW, tongue.gif that free vouchers are given in every year ah ?

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 12 2008, 11:58 AM)
If I have to choose between Genting and Resort, I personally find that Genting is more risky at this moment. Reasons below ;
Genting formed by Asiatic Development, Resort World and Genting International.

1) Since plantation field is not doing good now when Palm Oil price is declining hence the reduce of profit will be reflected in 2008 financial report earning.
2) Genting International is having lost in UK casino and Sentosa. Yet Singapore put restrictions on local people on gambling, so the gamblers are mainly foreigners. But most visitors in Singapore are business related purpose, so I doubt they will put much time in casino. Further more the currency is higher in the region. Wouldn't it be  Genting Malaysia more attractive ?
3) Seems the only subsidiary that making profit is Resort World, however Genting Group holds 48.2% only...
4) Higher debt comparing to Resort World that is none.

I finds that Resort World would suffer lesser impact from the global downtrend because more than 70% revenue is from local visitors and day trippers. What would you all sifus say ?
BTW,  tongue.gif that free vouchers are given in every year ah ?
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Yup, Genting is higher risk than Resort.

But Genting has one distinct advantage over Resorts, ie. it is index linked while Resorts is not. So there are more fund managers (index fund) that are in Genting shares. But in turbulence time like currently, Genting shares might be suffering more.

Yes, voucher is given out with annual report.

Newly casino built in Singapore is very hard to judge on it, especially with global crisis currently so nobody knows whether it can chalk up good profit or not.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 12 2008, 04:48 PM)
Yup, Genting is higher risk than Resort.

But Genting has one distinct advantage over Resorts, ie. it is index linked while Resorts is not. So there are more fund managers (index fund) that are in Genting shares. But in turbulence time like currently, Genting shares might be suffering more.

Yes, voucher is given out with annual report.

Newly casino built in Singapore is very hard to judge on it, especially with global crisis currently so nobody knows whether it can chalk up good profit or not.
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Well genting do have its advantages as its business is diversify to few countries.
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Genting Int just dropped to S$0.385... Lowest since oct-nov 06
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that why i bought some at share. at 0.390.

another casino also offer at very attractive price
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=lvs
only usd 14 pershare, it LVS had went as high as 140 usd pershare. better than genting malaysia.


Added on October 15, 2008, 12:48 amlook at long term la everyone, what will genting be like in next 20-3o yrs, i believe most people dont have patient. anyway this is what people call cyclical stock.
new buyer ; as ure slf what u want to achieve?
growth or dividend ....

at moment resort no doubt better with solid cash 4 bil in hand, as recession set in next quarter, money will not only be king,
it will be king of all king, queen, prince, you name it la.

but if u are looking for long term growth, genting is better in term of market control.

study before u buy, orelse keep in cash as it going to be king

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QUOTE(normanTE @ Oct 15 2008, 12:41 AM)
that why i bought some at share. at 0.390.

another casino also offer at very attractive price
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=lvs
only usd 14 pershare, it LVS had went as high as 140 usd pershare. better than genting malaysia.


Added on October 15, 2008, 12:48 amlook at long term la everyone, what will genting be like in next 20-3o yrs, i believe most people dont have patient. anyway this is what people call cyclical stock.
new buyer ; as ure slf what u want to achieve?
growth or dividend ....

at moment resort no doubt better with solid cash 4 bil in hand, as recession set in next quarter, money will not only be king,
it will be king of all king, queen, prince, you name it la.

but if u are looking for long term growth, genting is better in term of market control.

study before u buy, orelse keep in cash as it going to be king
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i agreed.. I been looking for Gent Int since 2006,still keep accumulate..Now switch some my cash to LVS at 12.00..LVS will get tough for coming quarter's since they expand to fast with few IR in macau and 1 in spore,all interest rate eat into profit LVS,but long term it will be back..my retire fund all in here.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 12 2008, 03:48 PM)
Yup, Genting is higher risk than Resort.

But Genting has one distinct advantage over Resorts, ie. it is index linked while Resorts is not. So there are more fund managers (index fund) that are in Genting shares. But in turbulence time like currently, Genting shares might be suffering more.

Yes, voucher is given out with annual report.

Newly casino built in Singapore is very hard to judge on it, especially with global crisis currently so nobody knows whether it can chalk up good profit or not.
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If i bought the share with nominee account - HLebroking, will I entitle the voucher?
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hey guy what voucher; how come i never got those voucher?
where can i collect them?
if i have 10,000 share much voucher that i can get?

thanks
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Let's discuss if Genting is considered as discounted liao? At now is around 4.8 right? or any sifu here think this time is too risky?

Because if can get around 30sen dividen also not bad ma.... then can hope for capital gain. But need to prepare to keep long term lo if anything bad happens tongue.gif
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Let's discuss if Genting is considered as discounted liao? At now is around 4.8 right? or any sifu here think this time is too risky?

Because if can get around 30sen dividen also not bad ma.... then can hope for capital gain. But need to prepare to keep long term lo if anything bad happens

I believe Genting can go lower,due to its plantation and UK casino performance. Maybe after the Finacial Year Report.
Genting won't give 30 cents dividend, last year was special bonus for Lim's demise.
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QUOTE(rayloo @ Oct 15 2008, 10:28 PM)
I believe Genting can go lower,due to its plantation and UK casino performance. Maybe after the Finacial Year Report.
Genting won't give 30 cents dividend, last year was special bonus for Lim's demise.
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I guess the 30 cents dividend is a average for the pass 5 years? But you are right that its plantation and UK casino performance will give the Financial Report a hit. Anyone still holding Genting shares or planning to go in?

I am also planning to buy soon but dunno when laugh.gif


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i buy genting is becoz share price appreciate,it not becoz of dividend...
High yield counter is not here...
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Actually i am considering in buying Gaming Stock in this bad times. So i am considering BJtoto or Genting. And i take into considerating of getting Dividen if the stocks need some time to recover. smile.gif

I am looking into Genting because of getting okok dividen and a chance to get Capital appreciation. what you guys think? thumbup.gif
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you mean growth and dividend, i see, ya most gaming in the west dont give dividend, and genting is the only gaming giving dividend,
althought most buy genting for growth.. not dividend, it have great future whenbull coming
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you mean growth and dividend, i see, ya most gaming in the west dont give dividend, and genting is the only gaming giving dividend,
althought most buy genting for growth.. not dividend, it have great future whenbull coming
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Dividend? Not worth to buy for dividend because it is insignificant amount. More like door gift the dividend. Their free vouchers are worth more than their dividends I think.
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Genting ventures into renewable energy

KUALA LUMPUR: Genting Bhd is venturing into the renewable energy sector by acquiring one million shares of US-based Synthetic Genomics, Inc (SGI) for US$8mil or RM28.2mil from its founder.

Genting announced to Bursa Malaysia on Friday that its indirect unit Dragasac Ltd, was acquiring the Class A common stock, with a par value of 0.2 US cents each, at US$8 per share from its founder Dr J Craig Venter.

Genting said the one million SGI shares represented the economic and voting interests of about 2% and 3% respectively of SGI as at Sept 12.

“SGI, under the leadership of Dr Venter, is dedicated to the research, development and commercialisation of genomic-driven solutions for the production of clean and sustainable energy.

“With the continued drive towards renewable energy globally in mind, the proposed Acquisition represents an opportunity for Genting to invest and participate in the potential growth of the renewable energy sector,†it said.

SGI’s main activity was to develop and commercialise genomic-driven solutions that address global challenges, beginning with energy and the environment.

This would see SGI applying synthetic and natural biological approaches to develop commercial solutions for a cleaner and more sustainable future.

“SGI is designing novel metabolic pathways and synthesising whole chromosomes for the biological production of renewable energy and the creation of solutions that will help reduce the world’s dependency on oil and mitigate greenhouse gas emissions,†it said. Last year, SGI had entered into a long-term R&D deal with BP to develop biological conversion processes that could lead to cleaner energy production and improve recovery rates of subsurface hydrocarbons.

In the same year, SGI also teamed up with Asiatic Development Bhd group to focus on the R&D and commercialisation of genomics-based solutions to produce improved planting materials to increase yield and enhance value creation from oil palm.

As at Dec 31, last year SGI had consolidated net assets of about US$59.5mil and recorded a net loss of about US$9.8mil.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...16&sec=business
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You can buy Genting at low 3s. No need to hurry.
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You can buy Genting at low 3s. No need to hurry.
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You can buy Genting at low 3s. No need to hurry.
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3s..... hmm.. possible?
btw, when is GENTING gonna release their 3rd Q result?
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Many investors will think that their venture into the US is bad and will sell their stocks. So maybe Genting will hit 3++ though tongue.gif

and we havent take into consideration of the recession hitting us yet hmm.gif
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beg to differ...

won't fall below 4 shakehead.gif

or maybe it's just me biggrin.gif
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the higher it goes the harder it will fall. wrong timing to diversify when the whole economy is at recession.


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like that when genting will recover worrr?
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QUOTE(rlkh @ Oct 23 2008, 04:31 PM)
like that when genting will recover worrr?
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It will certainly not recover within these few months. It is a long term bet. It is a game of how much money you can put there and how long can you wait tongue.gif
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Dilemma
- Cut loss (sell all)
- Average down (buy more)
- Keep and wait for break even (which will take few years)

sigh sigh tsk tsk
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Dilemma
- Cut loss (sell all)
- Average down (buy more)
- Keep and wait for break even (which will take few years)

sigh sigh tsk tsk
What was your price ?
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About 6.5.
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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Oct 23 2008, 11:32 PM)
About 6.5.
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It will be too late to sell though. You can accumulate bullets and enter at lower price later. Maybe at RM 3.00
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Ya, average down is your better choice.
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About 6.5.
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my price is also bout the same as urs....... i guess i'm going to average down as well..... sweat.gif
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average down is the only choice...DOnt sell unleast u need the money urgent use...genting will go up more than u bought price..
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QUOTE(rlkh @ Oct 24 2008, 11:14 AM)
if drop until 3.50 i want to whack big big d
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My target price RM 3.00 - 2.50. IF reach that level i gonna whack kao kao tongue.gif
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Accumulate bullet first. Then when reach to your target don think twice anymore just enter nia thumbup.gif
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what about 1buck? The last crisis it went down to 5 means shd be around 1 buck. :/
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what about 1buck? The last crisis it went down to 5 means shd be around 1 buck. :/
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If history can predict the future then we are damn rich. You got to see the company profile not the historical pricing.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Oct 24 2008, 01:36 PM)
If history can predict the future then we are damn rich. You got to see the company profile not the historical pricing.
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not predicting here ..... just wanna say wat about buying when it reach 1buck. Company profile looking worse than in 1997 ..... :/ coz everybody is like saying wont go below 4 mer. Well...just my opinion smile.gif
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Bank Negara guarantee all bank deposits till 2010, i think many investors are cashing out their positions and their mutual funds cry.gif
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QUOTE(acougan @ Oct 24 2008, 04:30 PM)
Bank Negara guarantee all bank deposits till 2010, i think many investors are cashing out their positions and their mutual funds  cry.gif
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maybe genting will have rebound on tuesday
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Expect Genting to write down Impairment cost this year. Last year rm 1billion, on UK casinos.

Is the borrowing in US $ ?

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 24 2008, 06:44 PM)
Expect  Genting to write down Impairment cost this year. Last year rm 1billion, on UK casinos.

Is the borrowing in US $ ?
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This is the question that i want to ask also. Base on the balance sheet we can see the current and long term liabilities. But how can we know it is in what currency. How to get this info?? flex.gif
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This is the question that i want to ask also. Base on the balance sheet we can see the current and long term liabilities. But how can we know it is in what currency. How to get this info?? flex.gif
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Under the liability in the balance sheet, there would be a 'note' that will list out the details of it if it is in other currency form, surely can find in the annual report in somewhere in the 'note' area.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 24 2008, 09:31 PM)
Under the liability in the balance sheet, there would be a 'note' that will list out the details of it if it is in other currency form, surely can find in the annual report in somewhere in the 'note' area.
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Thanks Cherroy. This counter start to get my interest already laugh.gif

http://www.genting.com/annualreports/gb/20...2007_53_115.pdf

Current liabilities 2919 Million in RM

Long term liabilities 5721 Million In RM

Total liabilities 8641 million in RM


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As at 30 June 2008, Group Borrowing & Debt Securities in Foreign Currency

RMB = 2,718 mil
GBP = 156 mil
USD = 328 mil
SGD = 621 mil



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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Oct 24 2008, 10:53 PM)
As at 30 June 2008, Group Borrowing & Debt Securities in Foreign Currency

RMB = 2,718 mil
GBP = 156 mil
USD = 328 mil
SGD = 621 mil
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Read your link first,

36. Borrowings to 40. Financial Instruments as 31 Dec 2007

Notes to Financial Statements


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i would like to know some informaton about genting

PE ratio
Gearing
Expected earning
what is the current status (bad, good or neautral)

will the share go down more estimated what price?
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Even though Genting having foreign currency debts but unlike IOI which is on forex forward contract. Genting are having business at europe on their casino business. They earn USD, GBP...

2007 Genting Revenue

Malaysia - 6034.6 Million
Singapore - 0 (Got to see the future earnings from Sentosa Casino)
Europe - 1566.9
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Keep going down... I hope to get some at low 3.xx
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Oct 25 2008, 11:25 PM)
Even though Genting having foreign currency debts but unlike IOI which is on forex forward contract. Genting are having business at europe on their casino business. They earn USD, GBP...

2007 Genting Revenue

Malaysia - 6034.6 Million
Singapore - 0 (Got to see the future earnings from Sentosa Casino)
Europe - 1566.9
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No need to check the fundamental. Stock price are always overbought or oversold from their fair value sometimes as much as 100%.
Target price remain at 2.50. laugh.gif
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No need to check the fundamental.  Stock price are always overbought or oversold from their fair value sometimes as much as 100%. 
Target price remain at 2.50.  laugh.gif
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Your name doesnt justified should you be trusted or not  sweat.gif
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Hmm ya...this is indead a blue chip stock. Was told when i was young, when global recession started. Casino normally cash in...as more and more ppl are looking for quick cash to cover their debts. Which they will normally lose coz of the odds that casino getting. Long run gamble = sure lose.

We won't be able to predict what is the lowest point this stock will go. But can start buying bit by bit...cost averaging it out. Hope that long run...it will move up back in 1 - 2 years time
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QUOTE(yipwh @ Oct 26 2008, 12:21 PM)
Hmm ya...this is indead a blue chip stock. Was told when i was young, when global recession started. Casino normally cash in...as more and more ppl are looking for quick cash to cover their debts. Which they will normally lose coz of the odds that casino getting. Long run gamble = sure lose.

We won't be able to predict what is the lowest point this stock will go. But can start buying bit by bit...cost averaging it out. Hope that long run...it will move up back in 1 - 2 years time
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Actually if economy is in recession, there would be less disposal income for gambling. So more and less casinos business is also affected as do remember, Genting is not only generating profit from casino, its hotel businesses also generate quite significant amount profit to the group.

1-2 years time frame is a bit too short, better give 3-5 years time frame, which history always suggesting one.
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No need to check the fundamental.  Stock price are always overbought or oversold from their fair value sometimes as much as 100%. 
Target price remain at 2.50.  laugh.gif
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I can say this counter is more complicated compare to other counter which have single type of business. The corporate structure is too wide. I myself does not really study much on this counter. But fundamental analysis is important for you to know the fair value of the stock... Base on what you say RM 2.50 you want to buy? Thats y we must see the fair value then we can only make assumption on whether this stock is dirt cheap or still expensive before we enter.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Oct 26 2008, 08:46 PM)
I can say this counter is more complicated compare to other counter which have single type of business. The corporate structure is too wide. I myself does not really study much on this counter. But fundamental analysis is important for you to know the fair value of the stock... Base on what you say RM 2.50 you want to buy? Thats y we must see the fair value then we can only make assumption on whether this stock is dirt cheap or still expensive before we enter.
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2.50 is a support level, may go lower. I won't be surprise even it go below 1.00 in this crisis, deemed the worst ever economy crisis since the creation of stock market sweat.gif Stock will most likely be extremely oversold or deem worthless.

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Stock will most likely be extremely oversold or deem worthless.
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This I would 101% agree. When bull time, share price overshoot to unrealistic price, (like CWs is the typical example). When bearish time, everything is being seen like toxic ie. overshoot on the downside.


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okok i am intersted in genting and rwb shares ... i heard thy say anythin below 2 bucks for rwb can buy di.. wat about genting? wats the target price to buy? thanks!!!
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guyz, can update me latest price of genting counter? reached 3.60?
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guyz, can update me latest price of genting counter? reached 3.60?
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Although I'm holding some of this stock and made quite some loss, still feel it's a bit overpriced.
Genting had a share split from 5-to-1. Back then it was about RM15 when KLCI was in the 900s that would translate to about RM3.00.

Now it's RM3.9, when KLCI has touched 800s. Seems like overpriced need to wait till low 3s.

Sigh* sad but true.

Disclaimer: This is only based on technical analysis. Refer to the next post of Cherroy's for a more detailed insight.

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Although I'm holding some of this stock and made quite some loss, still feel it's a bit overpriced.
Genting had a share split from 5-to-1. Back then it was about RM15 when KLCI was in the 900s that would translate to about RM3.00.

Now it's RM3.9, when KLCI has touched 800s. Seems like overpriced need to wait till low 3s.

Sigh* sad but true.
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But back then Genting hasn't got the Singapore casino, now it has. Although you arguement sounds logic, fundamentally can change overtimes. (both way) be it deteoriate or improve.

Last time a xyz share worth 10.00 when index was 900, doesn't mean when index come back to 900, it must be 10.00 as well. It depends on company fundamental, as company can grow or shrink.

Don't mean Genting share is expensive or cheap, above statement doesn't mean anything about the valuation side.
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Cherroy,

You're right that Genting has more than what it had back then. Thanks for correcting this.
My statement is only valid from a technical perspective.
Although given the emotional sentiment the market is having right now it's likely to hit near that region.
Will wait for the Q308 reports I guess to see if anything interesting.

This massive sell is really a test of holding will-power, both from buying and selling. unsure.gif
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what was its lowest price in 1998?
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what was its lowest price in 1998?
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1.28 (adjusted price) on 1st Sep 2008. On that day the KLCI also reach its lowest point at 263pts. sweat.gif

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1.28 (adjusted price) on 1st Sep 2008.  On that day the KLCI also reach its lowest point at 263pts.  sweat.gif
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adjusted mean u'd divided by 5?
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adjusted mean u'd divided by 5?
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Yup, adjusted means divided by 5 of the stock split, bonus issue (if any) and dividend for the previous year.

So genting share price need to drop below the adjusted price 1.28 (as posted by Singh Kalan) before we can say it is making new low or lower than 1998 price.

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1.28 (adjusted price) on 1st Sep 2008.  On that day the KLCI also reach its lowest point at 263pts.  sweat.gif
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sorry typo error...should be 1st Sep 1998. rolleyes.gif
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sorry typo error...should be 1st Sep 1998.  rolleyes.gif
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Haha, didn't notice you typed 2008, I automatically refer to 1998. biggrin.gif
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When genting price start dropping around RM8, people said RM7 is good price to buy, as RM7 consider as undervalue.

I get in at RM6. Today closing at RM4. I just wonder if this counter can aim for long term?

Emm.. it's quite painful to cutloss at this level...
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RM7 shall be the fair value for Genting at the moment but no safe margin. However RM4 is the results of panic sales like Supermarket sales. Buy low sell high is applicable at this moment, however no one can be sure how low the price can go...but if look for long term investment then short term price fluctuation shall only give opportunites to averaging.

I bought some resorts at the price I wanted last week, when everyday price goes lower I feel more happy because my safe margin can be stronger when I can average down my cost.

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too bad genting dividend is not so attractive, if not i wouldn't mind to keep some.
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too bad genting dividend is not so attractive, if not i wouldn't mind to keep some.
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This counter if you want to buy for long term investment i would say anything below RM 3.00 is fair.

If you want to trading for this counter at this price is no harm too. Provided you know when to sell-off gain and cut loss.
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This counter if you want to buy for long term investment i would say anything below RM 3.00 is fair.

If you want to trading for this counter at this price is no harm too. Provided you know when to sell-off gain and cut loss.
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Then i have to wait for undervalue tongue.gif .
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Oct 29 2008, 06:48 PM)
This counter if you want to buy for long term investment i would say anything below RM 3.00 is fair.

If you want to trading for this counter at this price is no harm too. Provided you know when to sell-off gain and cut loss.
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but there's still a long way for it to drop below 3 tongue.gif
i hope the day will come true unsure.gif unsure.gif
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Oct 29 2008, 09:23 PM)
but there's still a long way for it to drop below 3  tongue.gif
i hope the day will come true  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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All we need is patience and accumulate our bullets now. I don think the market can rebound for at least few years time. So y in hurry. Besides, there are some other stocks which are more attractive compare to genting (my on preference).
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The authorised share capital of Genting Berhad was RM800 million (comprising 8 billion shares of RM0.10 each) and the issued and paid-up share capital of Genting Berhad was RM370.4 million (comprising 3,704 million shares of RM0.10 each) as at 30 September 2008.

Can any1 explain this statement?..... Does it mean that GENTING had 8 bil shares being issued currently but there are only 3 bil shares which were bought by the public?
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The authorised share capital of Genting Berhad was RM800 million (comprising 8 billion shares of RM0.10 each) and the issued and paid-up share capital of Genting Berhad was RM370.4 million (comprising 3,704 million shares of RM0.10 each) as at 30 September 2008.

Can any1 explain this statement?..... Does it mean that GENTING had 8 bil shares being issued currently but there are only 3 bil shares which were bought by the public?
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No, it is 3 bil.

Authorised capital mean like you get approval from shareholders, and SC or relevant authority so that you can issued up to the 8 bil (for Genting case above), but whether you actually issued share until 8 bil or not is depended on company wish. So currently it has issued until 3 bil.
They can't issue more than 8 bil unless amend the company memorandum and get relevant authority approval.
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No, it is 3 bil.

Authorised capital mean like you get approval from shareholders, and SC or relevant authority so that you can issued up to the 8 bil (for Genting case above), but whether you actually issued share until 8 bil or not is depended on company wish. So currently it has issued until 3 bil.
They can't issue more than 8 bil unless amend the company memorandum and get relevant authority approval.
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what was its lowest price in 1998?
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If not mistaken its 5. Thats y 1buck is possible...hehe....
BAT in 1998 was 15 if not mistaken....but BAT has alot fo debt currently :/

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Oct 30 2008, 04:36 PM)
If not mistaken its 5. Thats y 1buck is possible...hehe....
BAT in 1998 was 15 if not mistaken....but BAT has alot fo debt currently  :/
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Yes, it is in teen number when I bought it.

Are you sure? BAT is always cash rich one, that's why they able to pay generous dividend, they paid all their profit as dividend. All cigratte sales are in cash term!
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^ start frm next year, they gotta put gross pics on the ciggie packs brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif ..... btw, what brands are under BAT in M'sia? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Oct 30 2008, 05:07 PM)
^ start frm next year, they gotta put gross pics on the ciggie packs  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif ..... btw, what brands are under BAT in M'sia?  hmm.gif
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Currently in Malaysia, either it is belonged to BAT or JTinter only.

What brands under BAT? the taiko brand lor, Dunhill, there are not less than 7-8 names under BAT as well.
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Side track: 3 major tobacco players in M'sia. Only one is unlisted if I'm not mistaken. There are many other smaller/sub-brands to target different market segment.

BAT: Dunhill, Lucky Strike, Kent, Pall Mall, etc.

JTI: Salem, Mild seven, etc.

Philip Morris: Marlboro, L&M, etc.
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Yes, it is in teen number when I bought it.

Are you sure? BAT is always cash rich one, that's why they able to pay generous dividend, they paid all their profit as dividend. All cigratte sales are in cash term!
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hmm..dunnoler...its financial statement says that its heavily on debt. Ya...they gib all their profits in dividend away instead of paying debt...looks like it to me ler. Any idea or explanation on this? i also quite puzzle. Jtinter however is cash rich. jtinter looks like a more stable co than bat...but if bat falls to 15 again...guess i ll be dem tempted thumbup.gif
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OT already ni...... talking bout tobacco in GENTING thread tongue.gif
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OT already ni...... talking bout tobacco in GENTING thread tongue.gif
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Singapore's Casino Opening to Be Delayed

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27445982

The second casino, Resorts World at Sentosa, is being built by Genting International and is scheduled for completion in 2010.

Resorts World may also see a delay in the opening of some of its facilities, although a casino spokeswoman said it was "on track" for a "soft opening" in 2010, the paper said.
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buying share in tobacco which no drop in such recession actually doesnt help much for long term portfolio, rather going for counter with deep discount now.


Added on October 31, 2008, 1:25 ambat no doubt better than jtinter , provided if u know how to calculate value investing


Added on October 31, 2008, 1:28 ambut this company no more growing, only speculation with goverment implement more tax, regulation number smoker will reduce significantly that will hit bat profit hard next 10 yrs.

america had develop vaccine to tobacco, which mean people can prevent been addict from smoking so
guess what is tobacco bussiness going to be like

north america tobacco this years sales drop 6%.


Added on October 31, 2008, 1:29 amgenting international might drop below .25cent in next years


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Run and run Genting... but this BAT is dropping... So today is the ex-date..? for 75 cents dividend....

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Believe to be only short rally, take profit whenever we can...
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Genting rebounds after hit as low as ~3.68, it seems like you are riding a roller coaster in Genting Theme Park, and yet... we will see how it react or how the "investors" or traders act on this counter.....

High 4.56
Low 4.20
Last 4.52
% Up 7.62
Vol 119339

Back to fundamentals, due to global recession and weak commodity price, this will at least trigger the sell down...for this stock...
so if it is growth counter, what would be the day it turn to be mature stock...
and giving decent dividend....as its dividend so far not so attractive...

any reason for that?


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Genting rebounds after hit as low as ~3.68, it seems like you are riding a roller coaster in Genting Theme Park, and yet... we will see how it react or how the "investors" or traders act on this counter.....

High  4.56
Low 4.20
Last 4.52
% Up 7.62
Vol 119339

Back to fundamentals, due to global recession and weak commodity price, this will at least trigger the sell down...for this stock...
so if it is growth counter, what would be the day it turn to be mature stock...
and giving decent dividend....as its dividend so far not so attractive...

any reason for that?
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Because they need to spend billion on newly Singapore casino.

Another bad news for Genting currently is Singapore casino opening will be delayed, both Sands one and Genting one as reported on yesterday news. But market is ignoringa all news currently as overall market sentiment overide all the factors for time being.
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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Nov 1 2008, 11:29 AM)
Genting rebounds after hit as low as ~3.68, it seems like you are riding a roller coaster in Genting Theme Park, and yet... we will see how it react or how the "investors" or traders act on this counter.....

High  4.56
Low 4.20
Last 4.52
% Up 7.62
Vol 119339

Back to fundamentals, due to global recession and weak commodity price, this will at least trigger the sell down...for this stock...
so if it is growth counter, what would be the day it turn to be mature stock...
and giving decent dividend....as its dividend so far not so attractive...

any reason for that?
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Casino business need to be keep on expanding . It cannot be staying stagnant without any expansion. Else you will see genting closed shop ....So for this type of counter you canot expect it to give decent dividend for the next few years or maybe in future as they need to use their cash to fund their future expansion. Not all counter can turn up to be giving decent dividend you got to see what type of busines they are doing. So for genting case, investors tend to look into how the expansion project can create more value.

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Did u guys see thestar ystday Genting close at RM8.20?

Today drop 40%, drop more than Rm3? wtf is this true..if bought 2 share then ystday already earn 7k
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all the share may keep dropping !

6 Oct, a lot of share -ve !
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is genting worth buying and keeping for long term investment?
coz i'm planning to buy and just hold it.
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Did u guys see thestar ystday Genting close at RM8.20?  Today drop 40%, drop more than Rm3? wtf is this true..if bought 2 share then ystday already earn 7k


where got genting close at 8.20 la. I think u read old newspaper la. IF really true I earn kao kao already lo. drool.gif
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Aiyoyoooyoo..... today miss genting...i did not grab some at 4.38..... and it close at 4.50.... . miss the boat again.... smile.gif


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still in recession, us unemployment reach 18 yrs high, berkshire harthaway investment vehicle lost 77% profit this years.
with this picture better wait for annual report which be come on next years first quarter,
it seemed they lost money, genting acquisition all in red..........
asiatic with cpi now as low as 1500, this is going to hit them,
uk stanley earning drop with new smoking regulation, and 10% acquisition in rank, also lot half their value this years,
with unstable pound all investment in uk will go to drain.
genting international; in a huge debt.


las vegas sands(lvs)
in financial problem cant get loan from bank,
so if this not settle, they might sell off their acquisition in macau or singapore.



good luck, every investor.
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still in recession, us unemployment reach 18 yrs high, berkshire harthaway investment vehicle lost 77% profit this years.
with this picture better wait for annual report which be come on next years first quarter,
it seemed they lost money, genting acquisition all in red..........
asiatic with cpi now as low as 1500, this is going to hit them,
uk stanley earning drop with new smoking regulation, and 10% acquisition in rank, also lot half their value this years,
    with unstable pound all investment in uk will go to drain.
genting international; in a huge debt.
las vegas sands(lvs)
in financial problem cant get loan from bank,
so if this not settle, they might sell off their acquisition in macau or singapore.
good luck, every investor.
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i think i going to increase my stake in LVS. and genting international.
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where got genting close at 8.20 la. I think u read old newspaper la. IF really true I earn kao kao already lo. drool.gif
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QUOTE(Chester @ Nov 5 2008, 11:08 PM)
Did u guys see thestar ystday Genting close at RM8.20?

Today drop 40%, drop more than Rm3? wtf is this true..if bought 2 share then ystday already earn 7k
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Anticipating GENTING to release their Q3 earning end of this month.... wat do u guys think bout it?
thinking to grab more GENTING shares but still cant decide to get it b4 or after the Q3 result?
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how is the report going to be? good or bad?
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how is the report going to be? good or bad?
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Not yet out, sabar...
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If good, then the share will up a lot. Be ready to catch the boat. biggrin.gif
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Nowadays even 4D budget also I cut blush.gif Genting budget gone long ago... cry.gif
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What did you mean ?  ohmy.gif
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Nowadays even 4D budget also I cut blush.gif Genting budget gone long ago... cry.gif
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If you use the budget to buy Genting shares. You would get a mini casino licence. biggrin.gif
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Seems like their deep pocket is going to get pay off some how, monitoring the situation now brows.gif
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good apportunity doesnt last; i remeber i bought genting during 1997 that is my first lot, 1000 share of genting it only cost me 1400rm.
and imagine it actually shot up to 45thuousand and i never sold cry.gif

now everything going to drain,

i hope another 1997 rolleyes.gif
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i thought to get the EPS, we divide "net profit" from "outstanding share"?
how come they are using "Profit/(loss) attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent" instead of "net profit"?
can any1 explain what "Profit/(loss) attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent" really is?
& why for GENTING case, it's in -ve value? unsure.gif unsure.gif
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QUOTE(normanTE @ Nov 21 2008, 02:50 PM)
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good apportunity doesnt last; i remeber i bought genting during 1997 that is my first lot, 1000 share of genting it only cost me 1400rm.
and imagine it actually shot up to 45thuousand and i never sold  cry.gif

now everything going to drain,

i hope another 1997 rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Nov 27 2008, 09:50 PM)
i thought to get the EPS, we divide "net profit" from "outstanding share"?
how come they are using "Profit/(loss) attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent" instead of "net profit"?
can any1 explain what "Profit/(loss) attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent" really is?
& why for GENTING case, it's in -ve value?  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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It is -EPS for current Q because of losses in UK casinos impairment.

So it means it make a loss in the Q.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 27 2008, 09:53 PM
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i thought to get the EPS, we divide "net profit" from "outstanding share"?
how come they are using "Profit/(loss) attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent" instead of "net profit"?
can any1 explain what "Profit/(loss) attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent" really is?
& why for GENTING case, it's in -ve value?  unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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That means the profit belong to the parent company's shareholders after deducting minority interest which might appear in its subsidiaries.

It is negative because Genting write down the value of its investment in UK (means the fair value decreased). Hope this is clear for you now tongue.gif
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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 27 2008, 10:39 PM)
That means the profit belong to the parent company's shareholders after deducting minority interest which might appear in its subsidiaries.

It is negative because Genting write down the value of its investment in UK (means the fair value decreased). Hope this is clear for you now tongue.gif
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You still have 20+ thousand at current price! Not down to the drain.


Added on November 27, 2008, 9:53 pm

It is -EPS for current Q because of losses in UK casinos impairment.

So it means it make a loss in the Q.
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still in the learning process on how to "read" a financial report tongue.gif
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Thanks Cherroy & htt....  thumbup.gif
still in the learning process on how to "read" a financial report tongue.gif
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Citibank cuts Genting’s target price to RM3.79 and fiscal 2008 earnings by 6.5 per cent

SHARES of Malaysian power to gaming firm Genting fell 1.35 per cent by 9.08 am today after the company reported a third quarter loss of RM40.38 million and warned that its UK gaming operations would be hit.

The company said that its power division would be hit by lower demand and lower prices.

Citibank today cuts Genting’s target price to RM3.79 from RM3.88 ringgit and cut fiscal 2008 earnings by 6.5 per cent.

The stock was trading at RM4.38, having been as low as RM4.24. The main index was down 0.79 per cent. - Reuters

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
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Genting, Resorts down in active trade

KUALA LUMPUR: Genting and Resorts fell in active trade in the morning session on Friday, after Genting posted net loss in its third quarter on its British casino provisions but the overall breadth of the market was lacklustre.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...15&sec=business
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my chart telling me to buy at 1.80 rm, somewhere end of next years

well this is what technical analysis have to share. i bet it will hardly drop to tat price, if i does hahaha.........time to sell my shoplot, car , house to this time wont let this fish going
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QUOTE(normanTE @ Nov 29 2008, 12:04 AM)
my chart telling me to buy at 1.80 rm, somewhere end of next years

well this is what technical analysis have to share. i bet it will hardly drop to tat price, if i does hahaha.........time to sell my shoplot, car , house to this time wont let this fish going
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Can your chart tell how high can it reach? when will it rebound ? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(normanTE @ Nov 28 2008, 11:04 PM)
my chart telling me to buy at 1.80 rm, somewhere end of next years

well this is what technical analysis have to share. i bet it will hardly drop to tat price, if i does hahaha.........time to sell my shoplot, car , house to this time wont let this fish going
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Fuyoo what chart are you using? Can predict future price? Back From Future Charting?
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haha, no such thing is accurate one la , if so accurate chart, they wont share one.
it just a guideline, it is monthly charts form tien ping, with monthly payment.


Added on December 4, 2008, 8:52 pmthey aslo speculate genting international will drop till 0.28 pershare, yet so far lowest is 0.32 pershare.

so not 100% accurate

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I was queing at 3.76 since afternoon but still can't get it!
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Today Genting price

top 3.740
low 3.680
closing 3.720

Is it good time to buying ?

As I heard from one of my friends said normally Genting price will go up after Chinese New Year. Tomorrow will be last day. Hope I can get some angpow for chinese new year from Genting.
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Buy genting share. Good for investment. I also heard it will go up soon. biggrin.gif
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probably need to wait for their earning result next month to see how's their performance last year.....
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probably need to wait for their earning result next month to see how's their performance last year.....
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How's about Genting Singapore share? Cheaper than Malaysia share. I only got RM3k budget to buy share. Thinkin buy which one? Any recommended?
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Genting’s casino resort project on track

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...13&sec=business
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How's about Genting Singapore share? Cheaper than Malaysia share. I only got RM3k budget to buy share. Thinkin buy which one? Any recommended?
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Genting Singapore & Malaysia are different, please study a bit before jump. They mainly on UK & SG, not making money last Q I think, and SG operation not started yet. Genting Malaysia is the parent company. Judge your own.
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How's about Genting Singapore share? Cheaper than Malaysia share. I only got RM3k budget to buy share. Thinkin buy which one? Any recommended?
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Genting Singapore or Genting International is purely casino business in Singapore and UK, still running at lost. While our Genting share here diversified in few business include plantation, power, casino, resorts and others.......
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My target price for Genting is 3.60. It looks good for me at both Stochastic and RSI.
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If I'm lookin for a 1-2 year investment should I go for Genting or Resorts World? Any opinions?
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If I'm lookin for a 1-2 year investment should I go for Genting or Resorts World? Any opinions?
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I think most will say RESORT...... GENTING may be good for LONGER term investment......

However, in current stock market, you can't be sure of anything.... wink.gif
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Genting ? You must think carefully and look at the share price for the last few month.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Feb 17 2009, 06:56 AM)
I think most will say RESORT...... GENTING may be good for LONGER term investment......
However, in current stock market, you can't be sure of anything....  wink.gif
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Why Resorts? Two reasons to buy Genting for me are that the weightage of Genting on the KLSE will increase in July and that The Sentosa Resorts will open early next year.

QUOTE(kb2005 @ Feb 17 2009, 07:13 AM)
Genting ? You must think carefully and look at the share price for the last few month.
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It's been at it's lowest point of RM3.60+ the past few days.
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Why Resorts? Two reasons to buy Genting for me are that the weightage of Genting on the KLSE will increase in July and that The Sentosa Resorts will open early next year.
It's been at it's lowest point of RM3.60+ the past few days.
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I will say for the past few weeks. It rarely move up! sad.gif
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I will say for the past few weeks. It rarely move up!  sad.gif
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Good chance it has bottomed now? I think most people are waiting for the upcoming financial report?
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We don't know if it is really bottom now. Do you think 3.6 is bottom ?
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Good chance it has bottomed now? I think most people are waiting for the upcoming financial report?
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i guess better wait for the report 1st...else u might want to buy it in stages if u r sure to get it smile.gif
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i guess better wait for the report 1st...else u might want to buy it in stages if u r sure to get it  smile.gif
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Any insider news on the coming report ? biggrin.gif
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When will it be announced?
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Before end of the month.
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I'm still waiting for the report!
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i'm afraid it might be disappointing  tongue.gif
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i'm afraid it might be disappointing  tongue.gif
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How dissapointing? smile.gif
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Why ? very bad ?
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GENTING has been testing the bottom lately, i'm just worried the price might plunge further.... but anyway, i'm still holding some GENTING shares myself (with quite high average price some more)... so let's crossed the fingers, shall we? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Feb 19 2009, 07:23 AM)
Why ? very bad ?
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Genting downside is mainly write down on their UK operation, plus Singapore operation which haven't commence operation yet, plus cruising business which continue breeding, plus casino business which getting less customer, plus oil palm plantation hit by low CPO price.... haha...
vested.
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Feb 19 2009, 08:57 AM)
GENTING has been testing the bottom lately, i'm just worried the price might plunge further.... but anyway, i'm still holding some GENTING shares myself (with quite high average price some more)... so let's crossed the fingers, shall we?  tongue.gif
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sure bad one, i am waiting report. dividend also gone already.

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More bad news for GENTING? http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
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doom. for those who still have genting share.
this is what people call accidental long term investor.

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doom. for those who still have genting share.
this is what people call accidental long term investor.
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Looks like i need to keep Genting share for another few years liao! cry.gif
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This news particularly doing no good for Genting share price. Possible recent slide is because investors fear for the cost overrun issue.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29289611
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pardon me, the singapore casino is being handled by Las Vegas Sans while the resorts are by Genting Int. ??
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pardon me, the singapore casino is being handled by Las Vegas Sans while the resorts are by Genting Int. ??
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oh geez, both on sentosa ?? Hmmm...chinese says, "1 mountain cannot fit 2 tigers"..hmm
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One in Marina Bay and Genting one is at Sentosa Island
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Plus, I remember not so long ago there were many uncles always jamed up at the broking houses to speculate shares.

Now, perhaps Lowyat.net is taking over the place, and buying shares through internet channel is getting more popular than the traditional way.

So, one day ( not so far away) internet casinos might be getting more popular than the traditional casinos.

There could be many casinos in US that might close shops.

So spending 6 to 7 billions in Spore $ , is not a sure bet for Genting.

Their so -so casino/gaming track records elsewhere ( besides Genting Malaysia ) also speak for themselves.

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US people might gamble lesser and prefer to play online.
But that trend won't reach Asia just yet. Not in the next 10yrs at least.
Asians are well known gamblers, where you can gamble legally that is where the majority of them will be there.
Also there is nothing more practical then hard cold earned cash instead of credits from the online gamble.
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Genting still testing it's bottom.
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QUOTE(leoleo584 @ Feb 23 2009, 08:37 PM)
dunno have to hold how long  sad.gif
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2-3 years at least. By the way, how much you bought it ?
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Any news when the financial report will be released?
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post Feb 25 2009, 07:59 PM

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What happen to Lowyat Forum, i thought we discussed on more items yesterday ?
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Feb 25 2009, 07:59 PM)
What happen to Lowyat Forum, i thought we discussed on more items yesterday ?
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read the announcement: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/946103
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post Feb 26 2009, 11:43 AM

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Genting results out this evening?
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Feb 26 2009, 11:43 AM)
Genting results out this evening?
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post Feb 26 2009, 05:16 PM

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No news on the financial report?
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post Feb 26 2009, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Feb 26 2009, 05:16 PM)
No news on the financial report?
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Added on February 26, 2009, 6:23 pmGenting 4th quarter financials just announced.

As expected.. 4th quarter loss with FY08 profit down more than half as compared to FY07.

Proposed dividend of 4 sen. Hmm.. doesn't look good. hmm.gif

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No news on the financial report?
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4 sen dividend ? Too low!
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When will the 4 sen dividend be paid?
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When will the 4 sen dividend be paid?
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hmmm should i cut my lost hmmmm...... doh.gif doh.gif cut lose n buy later . any opinions?

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