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post Sep 27 2009, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Sep 25 2009, 09:56 PM)
anyone knows what is the easiest way applying direct CDS account?
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QUOTE(joenjill @ Sep 26 2009, 04:58 AM)
how is the charges?
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personally i'm using HLebroking. it's not a nominee account, setting up the CDS and everything can be done at Wisma HLA (i did it there) through forms.

Standard charges are 0.42% for 0-100k transac, 0.20% above 100k. RM12 minimum brokerage.
Day trade - max 0.10%.

but the charges are very dependent on how low u can bargain with them.

i'm not sure about Jupiter whether there account is a direct / nominee CDS account though. but just inputting my 2 sens. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on September 27, 2009, 1:24 am
QUOTE(z21j @ Sep 27 2009, 12:53 AM)
hi guys, wanna ask sth, as im still the beginner in stock exchange.

I noticed that some of the stock code got "additional" alphabet. for eg, 7198WA, 8605WB.... and for YTLLAND is divided to 2 pulak, 2577PA and 2577, what does the symbol mean, and what's the purpose of having those "difference". Thank q.
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just want to clarify on this.

WA, WB, WC, etc are all company-issued warrants. the end-alphabet is just a suffix to differentiate between the various warrants.

those with LA such as Waseong-LA, are ICULS (Irredeemable Convertible Unsecured Loan Stock)

stocks like YTLLAND-PA/DPS-PA/TALAM-PA are ICPS (Irrdeemable Covertible Preference Shares)

for PBBANK-CJ, PBBANK-CK, PBBANK-CL the C means the stock is a call-warrant, usually issued by an underwriting investment bank.

i dont know much about ICULS and ICPS tbh. blush.gif

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Dec 11 2009, 02:28 PM)
There's always been something I've been very curious about, I hope ppl here can answer me.

Whenever you see ur stock market system (in my case, M2u), you notice there's last transaction being buy/sell, correct? However, what baffles me is, isn't every buy also a sell? So how do they decide, and hwo the come up with the buy : sale ratio and the percentage%?
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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 11 2009, 02:36 PM)
The price is capture to the party who give in e.g. if buyer take seller price, then the transaction is buy and vice versa.
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like what htt said.


Added on December 14, 2009, 7:32 am
QUOTE(kei18kun @ Dec 13 2009, 03:18 PM)
even if just buy 100 or 1 lot also entitle to vouchers? or is the no. of voucher depends how many lots u buy?
wat i mean is buy more lots will get more vouchers?
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no, iirc u'll receive a lump amount of vouchers, unrelated to how much holdings u have in Genm.

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QUOTE(myasiahobby @ Jun 16 2010, 12:32 PM)
I though it should be red because yesterday the price close at 6.77 and today the price open at 5.41....

Can a stock open at any price they like?
Thank you.
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can .. a stock can even open at limit down provide there's a buy along with a counterparty sell pre-opening.
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post Jun 20 2010, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(bleachzrockz @ Jun 20 2010, 12:07 AM)
Hi guys..this is my first time trading using online trading platform..i am using ECMoney btw..just got a question,hope the sifus can enlighten me..

1.If lets say i have only RM1k in my trading account,can i buy shares amounting more than RM1k for eg rm5k??and make the payment within 3 days(T+3)??
My account is cash upfront..does online trading allow us to do that??or must we have RM5k to buy RM5k shares??
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cash upfront account means that your buying power is limited to how much cash you have, e.g: 1k only. no margin, and no share collateral.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 14 2010, 12:30 AM)
b) No, CDS is tied to each broker. HL cannot access your Kenanga CDS. You need to open another CDS with HL.
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going along those lines.. would it be possible then to transfer shares from CDS Acc 1 to CDS Acc 2 (effectively changing brokers without selling shares)?
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post Aug 10 2010, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(noflyzone @ Aug 10 2010, 02:28 AM)
Your broker should have supplied you with all the information before you signed up. If you're in a hurry to make a trade you can make the payment in three days. But usually having money in your trading account means a lower brokerage rate and sometimes a very very very very tiny bit of interest.
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i don't know how much interest your broker pays u for keeping money in the trust a/c. hle gives 2.3%
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QUOTE(luminaryxi @ Aug 16 2010, 03:39 PM)
guys..may i know where to obtain 'formulas' to detect a stock that is strong and has strong fundamental or what other ways to study a stock
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formulas.. u might be thnking of technical analysis then.

although i wouldn't recommend going purely on technical analysis as this isn't derivatives or forex. fundamental analysis still play a strong role in choosing a stock.

company annual reports are first. u can get them from bursa's webpage. or perhaps u can undertake ur own sector or industry analysis, top-down or bottom-up. plenty of info from analyst reports, briefings, or stuff as simple as watching the most active counters on bursa everyday. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kampunggal @ Nov 15 2010, 03:13 PM)
Hi, I'm new in share trading...
recently i just bought some share at total of RM3k++ and within 3 months I just sold them, and get profit of RM90++... From my e-portfolio, i gain the overall profit of 4.87% in time of 3 months. (less)

My question is:

1. The performance is better than saving money in FD, but does my performance considered good enough in equity stock exchange?

2. Since I heard that equity trading is the 2nd high risk investment, what is the normal time range and overall profit made is considered good for equity trading?

since I've put this RM3k as a start for me to learn to invest, I do wish to put them in some higher risk to explore the high risk market.

oh... trading games unable to give me a drive to learn... >_<
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i don't know where you found out that equity is high-risk. it can be very low risk if you want it that way.

#1: 5% over 3 months is good, but usually ppl talk about annual returns. FD is 2.8-3% a year, high-yield dividend stocks around 5-6%, REITs around 7-8.5%, if you can do 10-15% a year (and outperform the KLCI index), imo that's considered quite an achievement already.

#2: time range? from my understanding and experience so far, there's daytrading, contra trading, short term speculative/fundamental, mid/long term fundamental, growth / dividend play, cum-dividend play, bonus issue/share split play and maybe others. everything can be fully customised to your risk appetite. Profit also up to you.

in a nutshell.. there's no standard definition of good performance in a nice timeframe. it's very subjective. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Nov 15 2010, 06:36 PM)
hi got 1 question
1) Does share consolidation always means bad new for shareholder?  consolidation of 4 to 1 consider bad?

Hi Need help on another thing, i found this buy back stuff

The share is buy back at price from 1.21 to 1.26 on Jun 28th , but that day market price high low is 1.03 and 1.09? Why not buying at 1.03 to 1.09 instead?
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consolidation of 4 to 1. you're talking about KNM? laugh.gif
the perception is that reducing liquidity (by consolidating shares, and increasing the par value) is a result of reduced interest from shareholders. hence it usually isn't a popular move. there's no effect of share consolidation on the company accounts. just shareholder perception.

BJCorp on 28th June was trading between 1.21 to 1.28. I don't know where you got 1.03 to 1.09 from. smile.gif
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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Nov 16 2010, 11:55 AM)
Thanks ya i'm holding some KNM, and consolidation is approaching so wondering how much the impact.

For BJCORP hmm i check the price from the chart history... strange i go check again, thanks
But does Buy back is a bad sign? Since current price is lower than the buy back now sweat.gif
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share buybacks usually means management wants to
#1 support the share, or;
#2 act in the interest of long term shareholders for the benefit of the company (sorta like tying them down), by giving share dividends (like YTL), and not so much cash dividends.

all depends on the pricing, if the price is quite high, it's not actually beneficial for the shareholders,
then again, if the company is really interested in rewarding shareholders then it can give cash dividends, since that way the shareholders can decide for themselves whats best..

btw, share buybacks generally don't impact much of the structure of the company, just the way they use their retained profits.

just my opinion. also, cherroy has a good viewpoint on share buybacks smile.gif

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QUOTE(Polaris @ Nov 22 2010, 10:54 PM)
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Does anyone know, which software shows price movement (seller/buyer's price)?

I found this screenshot online
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my platform (HLebroking) has all these info, BQ (Buy Queue), SQ, volume/Time, Buy %, Price/Time, Transaction Size, etc. I think it's pretty standard everywhere.
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QUOTE(Polaris @ Nov 24 2010, 07:51 PM)
Is there a section on "Private Placement" somewhere in this thread?

Does this exercise reflect badly on a stock?
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usually doesn't mean anything.
it's just a private fundraising by the company. if i recall you'll get a bit of EPS dilution, and your accounting would have slightly different share capital amount.
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QUOTE(masterjedi @ Nov 25 2010, 01:30 PM)
wow kpj sudah jalan... good for me..  drool.gif  rclxms.gif
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bro u salah thread la tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 25 2010, 01:49 PM)
Luckily, he is not key in salah...  laugh.gif
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the key-in salah ones are fat fingers lol laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Polaris @ Nov 26 2010, 08:41 PM)
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This shareholding change part is somewhat confusing,

1. The date of change is 1 Jan 00, is that a typo for 2011? Shouldn't announcement be declared only after the change?
2. The amounts are all the same? Maybe I don't know how to read this properly
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i think #1 is an error ... like a default value on the form when you don't fill up the forms? #2 is the changes in shareholding in one of those major shareholders of the company. but they'll also list other major shareholders that collectively have an indirect interest via the shareholder whose interests have changed.

e.g: first listed is Sunway City Berhad, so that's the fella who's shareholdings have been affected, then the following are just the other major shareholders of the company who also have a stake or are affiliated with sunway city bhd.

The amount is the same to reflect that these other shareholders have an indirect interest in the company via sunway city bhd, and they are required to be listed under form 29b i think. thats how i read it.

-- i hope it helps.. sorry if it sounds confusing sweat.gif

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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Dec 1 2010, 11:50 PM)
Oh really no annual fee? Will try to ask those broker, to get free report
I saw the edge always show the CIMB OSK report so i suppose the report is quiet influencial (sure got a lot blind follower rclxms.gif )

ok thanks because my colleage suggest me to read those report, but currently he already in bunker mode
Thanks a lot
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haha, no harm doing those as long as its free tongue.gif
if you're in good relation with your broker, they'll forward you free reports.
mine forwards OSK reports, while i get RHB n HLIB.

come to think of it, maybe i should do this too.. go sign up with CIMB etc and get their reports tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ismokenov @ Dec 7 2010, 12:25 AM)
Anyone can tell me how much is one lot 100 shares or 1000 shares, and when buy shares i hava to buy at least how much???
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1 lot nowadays is 100 shares and thats the minimum you can buy. i think about 3 years ago it was 1 lot = 1000 shares.
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QUOTE(Molotov Cocktail @ Dec 12 2010, 02:52 AM)
hey, why some stock has par value, what the importance to have it, what i know is par value is used to calculate the dividend only, what happen if a share is traded below par value?
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Par value is used in calculating the company's issued share capital in the balance sheet. By default it's rm 1.00 per share, but it changes when a company undergoes share consolidation, capital repayment, share split, capital reduction, etc.

Par value, IMO, means nothing to me, except that if a share is trading below par value it means that the company's performance (market perception) is worse than when it was first listed.

e.g. Company A: Par value 1.00 when listed in 2005, now trading at 0.10 in 2010

to me it means that the company is performing way worse in 2010 than 2005.

compare it to digi, where share par value is 10 sen, now trading > rm20, gave out capital repayments and strong dividend yield for years. to me this means its 100x better than Company A.

hope it helps, just what i think.
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QUOTE(Molotov Cocktail @ Dec 12 2010, 06:28 PM)
so the par value reflects what is the company capital when they start the business before being listed right?

all this while i thought the share premium showed in balance sheet is the value of the preferred share issued by the company, now i know where the value is derived from, thanks for the explanation
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yeah.. reflects the start-up capital of the company. for me there's no significance of it. rather look at other financial and balance sheet ratios to determine the health of the company. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Polaris @ Dec 13 2010, 06:36 AM)
Does chartnexus provide real time data for klse?
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IINM, no. only EOD data even in the xpert trader version. correct me if i'm wrong. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Polaris @ Dec 22 2010, 02:42 AM)
I'm confused by this. What's the meaning when I see EPF (3,000,000) vs EPF +3,000,000

Which one,

1) They are taking profits therefore bearish about this stock
2) They are actually allocating a bulk amount to some anon 'big shark', who is making an entry at a nice price, therefore bullish on the stock
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my opinion -
is that you should disregard #2. it's almost impossible to spot this arrangement although it's quite easy to assume that with a big seller, someone else has to absorb the slack. if you reverse the logic (EPF collecting) does that mean that the shark is taking profit and EPF is bullish on the stock? doesn't really sound right to me. sweat.gif

it goes down to the stock, in the case of DRB, EPF has been collecting and disposing on certain days of the uptrend, but the important point was there were massive sharks in there wiping out a few sell queues (or at least >500k shares) in a few secs.

plus EPF is quite erratic sometimes, they themselves are sharks. i'd only take notice if EPF has been substantively selling down the stock by a few % of shareholding or buying up the stock. but sneaky EPF always have some kind of tricks up their sleeve or very quick info.

my 2 sen. smile.gif notworthy.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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