Hey,

Is anyone interested to start a horde character from scratch (level 1) all the way to level 70 ?

I am thinking of starting to play wow again, but with a horde char ( I have a level 70 warlock, warrior in US Alliance server)

But of course it would be better if someone local was leveling at the same time with me, Level 1-70 in maybe 2-3 weeks (casually) and starting off arena at the same time as well. Before i took a break, all my characters had 1900-2100 rating in 2v2 and 3v3 arena, so I am sure i can emulate the same with a new one.

Let me know through PM.

Cheers

we could use a good holy paladin, or a good resto sham if ur cool with healing.

we are on stormscale US Horde.

you can view my profile here:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ale&n=Quazacolt

and our LYN recruitment thread here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=96&t=492823&st=0

hehe, was looking at your top warlocks

I haven't even played in 6-8 months, but still my gear is still competent to them

15k hp, 300 resillence, but lower mana pool

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anyway,

I don't mind making a resto druid, but not paly or shaman. is that suitable ?

This post has been edited by leighleron: Dec 31 2007, 10:45 AM

we dont really have a top warlock as the one we have currently is a new recruit that was recruited probably 2-3 weeks to a month ago. the only real top players currently is the people from our 3v3, and the feral druid thats most likely in the process of converting to resto, and he is busy with the recently xmas/new year holiday seasons lately.

and AFAIK if ur only 300 resil you cant reach 16k hp unless you count buffs, even 500 resil locks are aprox 13k hp. so something is not right from your part.

anyways we already have a lock and we are not considering to take another one, the only open positions are for healers unless your warrior or warlock is extremely decked with full set s2 mix with s3 and 0 blues minus the pvp trinket maxed enchants/gems (referably epic pvp and BT gems included), then we could consider taking another lock or even warrior via server transfer.

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we recently just recruited a resto druid and our own feral druid is also converting to resto, so i have to say no to that. however resto sham and holy paladins are available, and as far as the comparison goes, playing a holy paladin support is the easiest amongst the 3 healing classes. And leveling isnt hard too with the recently insane retribution buffs, or you can stick holy and have added spell dmg from 2.3 buff, and/or prot leveling with aoe mob trains. Shamans on the other hand needless to say, their enh/resto are one of the best class to level, even elem isnt too bad with the insane dmg burst, just not too effecient on mana.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 31 2007, 11:29 AM

I am actually considering making a hunter (i like the new survival buffs) , even if i don't join your 5v5 bracket, any slots open for 2v2 ?


been playing since beginning, but took a couple of breaks from the game. I play mainly to pvp, less so for raiding, good duelist and 2v2, 3v3 strategist. and all in all, i am a decent guy that is always online after working hours camping elemental plateau to pk for fun =P

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Its possible to get 15k hp 300 resillence at S1 gear, but you will have to stack up on blue +12 stam gems, timelapse shard, ect. naturally this would mean that the warlock will spec demo, and have demonic knowledge to buff up his spell damage 200+, so u have a good balance between hp, resillence and spell damage. Only downside is mana is low. but in arenas
3v3 and 5v5, warlock is just for tongues, dot, fear spam and meat tank. so quite mana efficient there.

This post has been edited by leighleron: Dec 31 2007, 11:58 AM

we do not offer spots for 2v2/3v3 unless ur proven to be very excellent in both skills and gear (something not a survival hunter would fit in)

and some errors:
- theres no strategist rank in arenas
- stacking 12 stam gems as a warlock blowing away socket bonuses is a horrible horrible way to maximize your character.
- health post 10k mark does not hold significant bonus as opposed to getting more mitigation via resilience (preferably hitting the cap)
- spell dmg is also equally as important as fear spam will get DR'ed, curses can be cleansed, and not everyone is stupid enough to go for the "meat tank" every single game.

so based on your above input, we cannot use your warlock unless you drastically change him, and most likely gearing him up for s3 based on your saying that you were having a break previously.

also armory link please? this would help better in deciding your lock's worth, and/or what to change/tweak etc should we decide to take your warlock.

bear in mind though, our priority is still the 5v5, and for that we're still prioritized on looking for healers especially resto shaman or holy paladin.

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all said and done though, you are free to join up with any available members within or outside the guild for 2v2/3v3's. as we dont really care about 2v2/3v3 brackets.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 31 2007, 12:26 PM

my warlock is alliance and its no fun playing warlock again

anyway, i can assure you that stamina is king for any top pvp demon warlock, because it stacks very well with your talents (DK, +15% hp, Pet) . Needless to say, with improved fel armor and demonic knowledge, you can top out 1.1k spell damage easily. felguard will be critting around 700 on cloth. or if preferred, felhunter can be used as well. Felguard intercept is very useful, therefore i always preferred it.

10k++ health is easily obtainable with good spell damage and resillence, so you aren't really sacrificing anything. Its always more a choice between intel and stam, which I will gladly take stamina.

Of course dots will be going around, with full curses as well. It is a warlocks job to give a healer and decurse a headache.

Strategist as in team leader..

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I will let you know if I level up on the server,

I think i will prefer to make on an Oceanic one, as I will want to play nights only.

This post has been edited by leighleron: Dec 31 2007, 01:56 PM

stamina isnt exacly "king" for ANY warlock spec be it demo or afflic or even gimpy destro. stacks with talents, so?

the moment your enemy decide to kill someone else other than you (which will happen VERY VERY oftenly if your SL/SL or even felguard) is the moment your stamina being rendered USELESS. and even IF they focused you, a 10k hp warlock and a 20k hp warlock in a pvp world does NOT make much of a difference so long he got at least 300 resil. from then on its a LOT more wiser to stack resil if your going on the defensive side (lower brackets such as 2v2/3v3 especially if ur teammed with paladin/druid healer) to further mitigate damage being inflicted, or spell dmg to kill if your on the offensive side (usually 5v5 brackets).

and letme update you, 1.1k spell dmg warlocks with demonic knowledge is season1-2 stats, s3 locks are either topping as high as 1.2-1.4k spell dmg, or going hardcore penetration/spell hit while maintaining ~1-1.2k spell dmg. so if you wanna use a season1-2 benchmark to play in season 3 (1.1k spell dmg, 300 resil) your only looking for a good spanking.

and if ur anywhere decent as a pvp lock, you'll never even consider intellect as a stat at all. but since you mentioned that, ugh, perhaps editing your post may help.

lastly, despite us located in a US server, all of us play on asia pacific timezone, and i myself have a standard 8 to 5 working hour job (well thats the so-called "standard" hours) our arenas only start around 8-9pm and USUALLY its on weekends. we barely schedule arenas on weekdays aside thursdays/monday if we need to push up more ratings/rankings. (or compensate for % games played for certain few members)

Understandable on the stam being useless if you don't get focused, however the point is that, on the event of me not being focused on, i can still dish out some serious damage/annoyance with dots, fears, shadowburn, incinerate.

resillence is wonderful, hp as well. Spell damage adds very very very marginally to your total damage output, if you are a demon lock. but 1k ++ is the minimum that anyone should have.

I don't think gear can decide whether you get a spanking or not. like i said an extra few pieces of gear all round the team, does not compensate for superior skill and more importantly teamwork. Quite often a godly disabler and healer, will turn the battle, rather than marginally superior stats.

Keep the hostility and know it all attitute to yourself please. Ive been playing warlock before you even started wow. thnx

This post has been edited by leighleron: Dec 31 2007, 03:41 PM

- there is never harm in doing more dmg especially when fear is subjected to DR. as SL/SL, dmg done is also translated to hp healed, which also adds in some form of "defense"

- spell damage is never insignificant especially when you compared to resil or stamina. what you add is what you get, plain simple, no cap no diminishing effects. resil is subjected to hard cap, and stamina is subjected to "diminshing returns" post 10k hp.

- and actually, gear can decide whether you get a spanking or not. to make it simpler, a 13k buffed hp priest with 470 resil (our priest) can die under 2 seconds. (yes it did happened, not even kidding). what makes you think that someone, with say, 200 resil, and 9k hp, wont get a guaranteed spanking? in a mmorpg, skills and teamworks can only bring you so far, you are still subjected to the numbers on your character sheet. If this were an FPS like say counterstrike or battlefield, i would agree with you but sadly this isnt FPS.

- if you think im being hostile, thats your problem, just stating facts of whats going on the arenas nowdays (you did went inactive for a period no?) and for a game like WoW, things can change drastically. rogues before 2.3 patch run a variation of combat mutilate or combat maces, rogues post 2.3 are all HARP. and the change was done not too long ago only a week prior to season 3, and season 3 is only moving into its 4th or 5th week? or less. TBH im not sure why people have so much problems with so called "know-it-all attitudes" but in case your wondering, yes i am indead "knowing-it-all" and my 3v3 can show it very VERY clearly. just a pity that our 5v5 are being put on hold atm due to roster changes else it would've been much MUCH greater than our 3v3 which is subjected to RPS constantly (to name a few, this week, we played around 40 games, just to gain FIVE pissing ratings, hell compare our team against other stormscale teams and you'll see that we pretty much have THE BEST win ratio around.)

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just checking, do you even know when i started WoW? lol.

just in case, i started playing since closed beta 3+ years ago. ive participated in the european closed beta, then american open beta, then retail a few weeks after wow goes live (had to import it from america as msia wow prices are hiked sky high during that period) and ive been playing ever since, never quit/stopped, and achieved many feats including server first kills in raiding, and rank14 hwl, and now being an active arena player doing considerably well (wouldnt claim my dominance in this field yet since we missed our chance for glad title on season 2 due to horrible late start, but this season we have utmost confidence in acquiring it, as a matter of fact our 2v2/3v3 are silver helms icon aka gladiators )

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 31 2007, 04:54 PM

Obviously there is a HUGE difference between 9k hp priest and 13k hp priest.

That isn't marginal anymore. But vastly inferior gear.

but lets take for example

Warlock 1) 14k hp 1100 Spell dmg, 300 resillence

vs

Warlock 2) 14k hp 1150 spell damage 400 resillence


in my view, its still based on spec, skill and teamwork that decides between those 2

the hp and spell dmg part i would agree, but the resil cap is close to 500, and if you really wanna compare, it would be 500 vs 300, and thats quite a huge gap right there.

400 resil - 10% crit chance
100 = 2.5%

so losing 200 resil is basically losing 5% crit chance. (thats preeeety huge. considering avg crit chance from say mages, are like what, 20%.? 12.5% is a lot better than say 7.5%)

then theres crit dmg which is x2 from the value of crit %. so even if you take crits, you take far less dmg. and there is ALSO dot dmg reduction, which shares the same value as crit % reduction. 12.5% dmg reduction from dots definitely > 7.5% dmg reduction from dots, and yes it goes to ANY dots. (*coughwarlockdotscough* which also leads to why locks are goin a lot more on the offensive now as their dmg is being supressed by resilience, and lets not forget the cleanse/dispel spams. of course that can be negated if ur affliction and you can punish cleansers)

and lets not forget the s3 locks thats goin pene/spell hit. so yea, gear plays really. unless both person is having similiar gears, like what you're trying to point out above, then it would come down to skill, teamwork, talents, RNG, RPS, group composition etc etc.

since u stated u wanted to play at oceanic server..
then come play with me.. lol..
im at frostmourne server..
still a newbie though (5 days old in WoW.. lots to learn)..
current lvl 16 only..
playing as blood elf paladin..
playing time after work of course.. and weekends..

Yo lei,

Me and some of my friends play Horde at Barthilas which is
under BG9. We do casual heroic/raiding and mainly arena now.
I play as a Shadow Priest and mainly do 2v2 with my friend who play rogue.
Last season we float around 1850-1980. This season we hit 1850
in 2nd week, my rogue friend got the mace and the steam went off
a bit and we drop back to 1.8 this week.

I got a lv64 shaman in another server and i am recently levelling
a warrior right now just lv14. If you could come to Barthilas
we can level up together. When you hit 70 we can start a new
2v2/3v3.

So basically i can play a priest/shammy/warrior.
And you can choose any other class. And no questions on how you wanna
spec/play your char

Oh btw, we usually on after 8pm almost every night.
If interested let me know i pm you my in game nick.

So fast

meh, after about 13k hp and 493 resilience you're better off putting in some spelldmg gems. Consider putting the meta gem that has a chance of reducing your next spell's casting speed by half on spellcast.

If you want to discuss the optimum warlock health, shadowdmg, resilience, etc, go to the warlock forums and ask Shadowborne. He's a gladiator, from Stormscale, and overall a nice guy.

My warlock has 12.3k, 449 resilience and 1068 shadowdmg as affliction spec, 12.8k hp 1200 shadowdmg as demonology (due to the demonic knowledge buff).

shadowborne makes me /facepalm
total tool in general

but i guess when it comes to warlocks, at the very least he isnt like your avg lambs and can think of shits. hes one of the very few warlocks that stacks spell pene's.

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oh yea now i remember why i hate that tool so much, the fag afk bot BG's too, and always try to make it sound like its the right thing to do when hes called out.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jan 4 2008, 09:29 AM

I agree with him, it is the right thing to do

if you can reach 1-70 in 2-3week please lvl 1 cha for me we can play 2gether then lol.....

AGGROBOY veyrone here...r u currylaksa's alt too? OMG need ur help on 2v2