Nah so far no qualm of having the red light. I understand the nokia 's policy on this. While personal privacy violation is a serious matter, Corporate espionage is something that shouldn't treated lightly too. I've been in a company visit where they ask us to either handover the phone or turn it off all time during the visit. Theres a lot of sensitive schematics , diagram , codes or even a piece of paper that can be captured with any handphone (especially our n82 la )

Hollywood aside, i think a realistic corporate espionage scenario would be some developer grunts who did not satisfy with current company and decide to payback so they most likely to use your normal everyday tools such as camera phone.
As for the red light. If you would find one than most likely it will come from china or some chapalang kind. All the major players will comply with the current regulations as they definitely do not want to hang their head to be sued due to not following current regulations / standards.

Heres an article that has expressed concern on cameraphones

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000...39174085,00.htm

a quite old article but it serves as an example of the level public awareness; even tho 2004 the best camera phone would be something like 1.3mp-2.0mp?

I have no problem with that as it does not actually compromise with the end result (to a certain level)


As you can see the result is pretty much good (its set to close up mode without flash) so i dont have too much issue with it.

rofl, if you are a "semi-pro" you won't be using a camera phone to take pictures at all

Don't constraint yourself in the bound of Malaysia. Heck if anything Malaysia would be the last one to implement / enforce it. I myself not a student of law but i do attend ethics and law class during my studies.Heres another interesting article about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_phone#Laws

Such places include the Pentagon, federal and state courts (see, for instance, [10]), museums, theaters, and local fitness clubs. Schools have banned them over the concern that they could be used to take images of notes that can be used in order to cheat on exams. One country, Saudi Arabia, in April 2004, banned the sale of camera phones nationwide for a time before reallowing their sale in December 2004 (although pilgrims on the Hajj were allowed to bring in camera phones). In South Korea and Japan, all camera phones sold in the country must make a clearly audible sound whenever a picture is taken: These laws are intended to reduce the number of up-skirt photos taken. In Singapore, camera phones are banned at companies or facilities that have an association with national security. In Europe, some BDSM conventions and play parties ban cellphones altogether to prevent camera phone abuse.

damn. they even got a BDSM conventions
As i mentioned earlier, The public awareness about the use of Camera phone is rising with the newer,better quality cameras so enjoy your samsung phone. That probably the last of the few that actually was built not for international market.

Here are few links about it
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,117035-page,1/article.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography_and_the_law
http://www.cameraphonereport.com/2003/11/n...k_legislat.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,117035-page,1/article.html
http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/prog...the_camera.html

Well the issue about privacy concerns did actually come from the public itself hence the corporation obligated to it (in order to penetrate more international markets) based on the awareness trend. Thats why our firmware (the apac version) Does not come with the ability to silent the shutter sound while the europe ones can. This is because probably the regulations over there just only need a flashing red light as a sign of picture being snapped.
As i posted before , the tolerance to the quality is different between professions / standards. Me being a regular-joes when it comes to photography level of quality already impressed when the texts /lousy handwriting can be read visibly. A semi-pro user like you definitely have a better quality camera with set of image editing tools ya?
Mind sell it to me heh. Jokes aside the public perception to camera / video cams is totally different than  camera phones. Lets face it. This whole hoopla just come from the few pervs who are really messed up.

...as they enable surreptitious photography. A user may pretend to be simply talking on the phone or browsing the internet, drawing no suspicion, and be able to photograph a person or place illegally or against that person's wishes.

Google around and read it. You will see the level of awareness of the public. Curse the stereotypical asian guy who loves to snap lengluis picture

Yay, personal attacks! You fail both at logic and at flaming.

But fine let me humour you. So assuming a professional, film-using photographer uses the N82 to check shooting conditions. He then uses his expensive camera to take the final photos, no?

And if so, will it matter a single bit if the photo taken by the N82 has a small reddish hue in one corner?

No.

By the way, are you a girl or a guy?

I ask your gender because generally guys are supposed to be able to argue with logic, but you are living proof that there are exceptions to every rule.
Not only did you totally and conveniently ignore all my arguments, but your choice of comeback is terrible. Terrible in that I don't even understand what the hell you're trying to say. And even after I translate this literally into chinese I still don't understand. Here's a tip: read this website before replying, otherwise I will not continue this argument with you (don't want to get infected with your stupidity.)

And let me quote you again.
So let me get this straight. I don't know much about professional photography, by all reasonable estimations a niche hobby/profession, and that makes me ignorant and clueless about THE REAL WORLD???!?!?!??? Damn, I bow to your superior reasoning, please oh great Fearless, teach me more about this photography that you are so pro at, otherwise I will starve and die!!!!!!

(last I checked, this was the N82 forum, not photokaki)

Take your personal issues with PM please, don't flood this topic with hatred, after a whole day of work I just want to see if there's any news for my N82 and I end up having a bad time reading all your hatred filled personal attacks
You believe what you want to believe, and you shouldn't force your own beliefs on someone else.. it's just that easy

hey hey.......add me in.......today i js get my lil n82......rm 1530.....ap...15 months warranty......1year lcd......btw...i wan ask how can i get the latest software?where 2 download???

To deodorant only


Oh btw, I also think the new firmware is making my apps hang often. But after reinstalling the apps, it's ok.
Looks like it has the same problem like if we reinstall Windows again, some apps just dun work anymore.

Ok since new firmware...
1) Phone hangs randomly
2) my Jbak Taskman doesn't autorun at startup anymore...
3) Some applications seems faster...
4) the flash player seems to have some sound issue... when the flash movie someone says 'hello' it became 'hell...' can't hear the ending of each sentence... quite weird...anyone encounter this?
5) auto rotate much sensitive... i'm holding upright tilt just a bit or hand shake abit when riding in a car... the screen change to landscape! this sucks
6) anything else to add?

To Wuahaha only

lol guys. chill. This was started when im discussing about the quality camera / moral issue with Fearless. Think its time to tone it down a little but eh?

Interesting flame war going on here... and the professional camera kaki's have yet to even comment and someone already talking about his/her superiority

funny to read

Dude I already conceded defeat, you won the argument! I'm sure everyone else here realizes that you pummeled me into submission with your superior wit and flaming skills!

FINE I know where this is going ... you want something don't you??!? So here's your prize --> not one, but TWO INTERNETS (attachment)!

OK seriously then >> I've been speaking with the only two professional photographers I know (one's a senior photographer for NST Singapore, the other does studios, weddings and concerts full-time and is the "semi-official" photographer for a local artiste), and neither of them use compact digicams/phone cams in their work.

I don't debate your assertion that some photographers probably do use digicams/phone cams, but evidently even among pro photographers this is hardly common knowledge or common practice.

However I do take offense at "ignorant" and "at the world." The former is more accurately used when one lacks understanding about some commonly-known fact. e.g., I cannot call you ignorant for not knowing that, say, the taiwan stock market settlement cycle is T+1 for stock and T+2 for cash, because that is not something that the average person would know. Likewise, photography is a niche profession. And now, among all the pro photographers I know (all two of them rofl), none use digicams/phone cams. You therefore cannot assume that the average person would know this little tidbit, and thus "ignorant" cannot apply.

Let me also re-quote you one last time, emphasis on the bold:
THE
REAL
WORLD

??!?

Self-explanatory.

I figure I owe it to you to attempt to debate in a civil and intelligent manner. Read that properly, because this is the last bit of effort I'm going to make for this topic.