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simplesmile
post Dec 7 2008, 11:54 PM

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I am eyeing Maybulk and Uchi Tech.

But Maybulk might decrease due to lower international trade. Lower crude oil will also force the shipping industry to adjust shipping rates downwards. Hence, even though profitability might remain the same, the amount of profit is less. Plus piracy issues and higher freight insurance... recently I haven't read any good news about the shipping industry.

Uchi Tech sales have been decreasing last 2 years. Not sure if they can innovate fast enough, or come up with new products to spur growth. I can't find much info on them. Nothing much on their website.
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post Dec 8 2008, 12:07 AM

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i think this thread should be made a sticky la.
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post Dec 8 2008, 01:10 AM

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where to find those company that gonna payout dividend?
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post Dec 8 2008, 10:10 AM

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Anyone of you have the history of the dividend payout for TM, Commerz, Genting ? When they pay it and how much ?
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post Dec 8 2008, 01:09 PM

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Guys help me understand something.

According to MB2u, Digi has a DY of 10%. And paid 228 cents last FY (before tax - to keep it simple use this number).

Digi shares have a par value of 0.10c.

Now if I had 500 shares, 500 x 0.1 x 228 = 11,400c = $114 <-- I get this in dividends.

Assuming I bought the stock for $22, the yield is $114/ 500*$22 = ~1%


Basicly due to the low par value, the returns are much lower say if the par value was $1.

I guess the par value has to be figured when buying stock based on dividends.. So one needs to be
very carfeful by just going by the dividend yield number.

Am i on the right track ?
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post Dec 8 2008, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(RJdio @ Dec 8 2008, 01:09 PM)
Guys help me understand something.

According to MB2u, Digi has a DY of 10%. And paid 228 cents last FY (before tax - to keep it simple use this number).

Digi shares have a par value of 0.10c.

Now if I had 500 shares, 500 x 0.1 x 228 = 11,400c = $114 <-- I get this in dividends.

Assuming I bought the stock for $22,  the yield is $114/ 500*$22 = ~1%
Basicly due to the low par value, the returns are much lower say if the par value was $1.

I guess the par value has to be figured when buying stock based on dividends.. So one needs to be
very carfeful by just going by the dividend yield number.

Am i on the right track ?
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Dividend Yield = Cumulative Dividend paid in one financial year divided by the current stock price.

For example on Friday 5th Dec 2008. DIGI D.Y = 10.6% and closed at RM 21.50

Annual Div = RM 21.50 x (10.6/100) = RM 2.28 per share.

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post Dec 8 2008, 01:55 PM

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Thanks Xuzen, I understand the concept of DY.

I'm interesed in whats actually paid out to the shareholder - and how the par price effects this.
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QUOTE(RJdio @ Dec 8 2008, 01:55 PM)
Thanks Xuzen, I understand the concept of DY.

I'm interesed in whats actually paid out to the shareholder - and how the par price effects this.
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Don't think it affects at all.

Par price was what was the price per share initially during IPO stage.

Market rate is what the market is willing to pay for that one share based on market sentiments.

Par price does not affect Dividend payout; earning per share does.

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post Dec 8 2008, 04:46 PM

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ah....litrak didnt declare dividend in its latest quarter report announcement...

no more money to pay?

LDP no business?

gamuda no need money?
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post Dec 8 2008, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 7 2008, 11:54 PM)
I am eyeing Maybulk and Uchi Tech.

But Maybulk might decrease due to lower international trade. Lower crude oil will also force the shipping industry to adjust shipping rates downwards. Hence, even though profitability might remain the same, the amount of profit is less. Plus piracy issues and higher freight insurance... recently I haven't read any good news about the shipping industry.

Uchi Tech sales have been decreasing last 2 years. Not sure if they can innovate fast enough, or come up with new products to spur growth. I can't find much info on them. Nothing much on their website.
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i used to like maybulk but after BDI drop to 666 pts...im a bit pessimistic...somemore, the cash in the book will b used to buy a company tat involve in offshore biz (not so sure abt it) approx 800m if not mistaken....so next year div may be affected..

bulk biz such as iron ore has been seeing contract renegotiated due to low demand..

due to low demand (volume) n low rate (BDI) ...better put ur money in guiness or carlsberg la tongue.gif
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post Dec 10 2008, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(ts1 @ Dec 8 2008, 11:07 PM)
i used to like maybulk but after BDI drop to 666 pts...im a bit pessimistic...somemore, the cash in the book will b used to buy a company tat involve in offshore biz (not so sure abt it) approx 800m if not mistaken....so next year div may be affected..

bulk biz such as iron ore has been seeing contract renegotiated due to low demand..

due to low demand (volume) n low rate (BDI) ...better put ur money in guiness or carlsberg la tongue.gif
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Here's the news:

10-12-2008: Maybulk to face ire of shareholders at EGM

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KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian Bulk Carriers Bhd (Maybulk) is expected to meet resistance from minority shareholders at its EGM today to decide on its proposed acquisition of a 22.08% stake in PACC Offshore Services Holdings Pte Ltd (POSH) for US$221 million (RM802.2 million).

Some minority shareholders say the acquisition purchase price was too high and the group ought to conserve cash during such difficult financial times.

A minority shareholder, identified as Drs M A Wind of Mont Kiara, said Maybulk’s proposed investment in POSH should be re-evaluated, as the proposal amounted to about RM800 million, representing about 40% of Maybulk shareholders’ funds.

The minority shareholder said the deal might not generate better returns for its shareholders, given that POSH’s projected earnings visibility was unclear. Further, the deal is a related party transaction, given that Singapore-based Pacific Carriers Ltd (PCL), a member of the Kouk Group, owned the entire stake in POSH and 34% in Maybulk.

POSH’s last audited balance sheet as of Dec 31, 2007 showed that POSH had owed PCL US$319 million and had US$304 million short-term borrowings, as well as US$432 million capital expenditure contracted that was not provided for, the minority shareholder said. The borrowings had allegedly risen to US$412 million as of Sept 30, 2008.

“The cash however is only US$2 million. In other words, a highly geared company with huge future obligations but hardly any cash,” said the minority shareholder.

“It is clear that POSH needs a huge amount of funding for its highly aggressive growth plan. However, there is no information given how it will get that funding, nor what the status is of the borrowings from PCL,” the minority shareholder said.

Also questioned was whether Maybulk was getting a fair deal as the group would only receive 34 million shares representing 22.08% stake in POSH’s enlarged share capital, despite having committed US$221 million, compared with PCL’s commitment of US$110 million but had received 115 million shares in return.

Additionally, the minority shareholder claimed a huge part of revaluation gains (about US$440 million) that were valued by Maybulk’s independent adviser KPMG were from vessels under construction, with some only to be delivered in 2011 and hence, should not be included in the current adjusted net assets calculations.

“KPMG gives a discounted cash flow valuation of US$5.11 to US$7.45 per share. The way they have calculated this is unclear, a huge list of assumptions is mentioned but the calculation itself (projected turnover, profit, finance cost, etc) are not presented,” said the minority shareholder, questioning how a proper valuation could be done with so many uncertainties.

The minority shareholder said the last audited accounts were from almost a year ago and the income statement was not representative since the subsidiaries were acquired during that year. “POSH is fast growing and went on a spending spree ordering dozens of new vessels from shipyards. The current credit crisis has a huge impact and makes financing difficult.

“Would it not be a better idea if Maybulk simply returned the RM804 million to its shareholders in the form of a special dividend?” asked the minority shareholder.


looks like the shareholders aren't agree with the offshore acquisition.
i like the sound of the last paragraph biggrin.gif

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someone mentioned about UCHITEC

UCHITEC is giving a Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share.

based on today's closing price - 0.945, that would be equivalent to 6.3% DY.
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post Dec 11 2008, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 10 2008, 09:36 PM)
Here's the news:

10-12-2008: Maybulk to face ire of shareholders at EGM
looks like the shareholders aren't agree with the offshore acquisition.
i like the sound of the last paragraph biggrin.gif
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too bad i didnt attend the EGM dat day, may b my vote can turn things around tongue.gif
but i doubt the minority can block this acquisition.... how many % of "YES" vote do they need? < 50%?
i'm still wondering whether to accumulate more of MAYBULK shares if it does fall under RM2 hmm.gif
if they go ahead with POSH... below RM2 may be possible whistling.gif
Green light for the POSH deal.... guess i was wrong.... it was not a bad deal after all hmm.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 10 2008, 09:43 PM)
someone mentioned about UCHITEC

UCHITEC is giving a Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share.

based on today's closing price - 0.945, that would be equivalent to 6.3% DY.
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Their business no grow leh, and seems like they still stuck with 'not so high tech' R&D, just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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post Dec 11 2008, 09:05 PM

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yup think this counter future will stuck but if they can provide stable div .. why not .. btw the price will also go up when market recover
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post Dec 15 2008, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 8 2008, 01:59 PM)
Don't think it affects at all.

Par price was what was the price per share initially during IPO stage.

Market rate is what the market is willing to pay for that one share based on market sentiments.

Par price does not affect Dividend payout; earning per share does.

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Par value does affect the calculation of dividend, it very much depend on how the company declares its dividend.
If it declare in the form of percentage per share then you need to multiply the par value.
If it just a normal dividend in the form of "sen" per share then just as what is declare.

Example :-
Company A declares 100% per share for a par value of 10c share.
Then,
100% X 0.10 = 10sen dividend per share

Company B declares 10sen per share for a par value of 10c share.
Then,
10sen is it dividend per share
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post Dec 16 2008, 01:28 PM

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Thanks Zuzen & Smartly - I got it now.

In my original calc for digi above, I do not have to multiply against the par price as dividend is per share not per share with par value of 0.10c.


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post Dec 18 2008, 01:52 PM

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People keep saying that the share price will drop after the ex-div date. In theory yes. But in reality, maybe not. Just look at DIGI price yesterday cum-div, and today's price ex-div. Price never drop but rise.
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So dividend is paid often once a year?? or per quarter??

Is public bank still a good buy, besides having high dividend??? Because I don't want to put all my money in there just for few rm per lot for a year..
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QUOTE(T_flash @ Jan 13 2009, 04:07 PM)
So dividend is paid often once a year?? or per quarter??

Is public bank still a good buy, besides having high dividend??? Because I don't want to put all my money in there just for few rm per lot for a year..
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It depends on company policy, mostly is half year once, with final is more than interim. Some do give quarterly, but very few. Some once a year.

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