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gark
post Dec 27 2013, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(escargo75 @ Dec 27 2013, 02:50 PM)
So what is the basic?
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Lets give you example...

Company A, total shares 100 million

Total earnings 20 mil per year

So EPS = 20 mil/100 mil = 0.2/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 2 share

Next year earnings grow to 30 mil (50% increase)

Now EPS = 30 mil/100 mil = 0.3/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 3/share




Now company B, total shares 1000 million

Total earnings 20 mil per year

So EPS = 20 mil/1000 mil = 0.02/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 0.2 share

Next year earnings grow to 30 mil (50% increase)

Now EPS = 30 mil/1000 mil = 0.03/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 0.3/share


So now you tell me what is the difference? Company B share price is 0.20 vs company A share price of RM2, what is the difference in terms of growth? rolleyes.gif Why must the one with lower price have better growth? tongue.gif Does teh share price determine the growth or the EARNINGS determine the growth?

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post Dec 27 2013, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 27 2013, 02:32 PM)
...and we don't have Indon smuggled milk powder tongue.gif

but I don't like the >100% payout ratio
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look at Whole Milk Powder futures.. so far uptrend from 2008 onwards.. if current uptrend continues then margin kaput.. nod.gif

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post Dec 27 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(escargo75 @ Dec 27 2013, 03:47 PM)
Base on your example there is a difference as company with a higher PE will expect higher growth compare to lower PE on the same industry. The share price for your example for RM0.20 share company, might be undervalue or way below its  intrinsic value as it can earn much higher earning ratio than a RM2 company. As RM2 company people will expect more and sometimes they declare higher dividend just to maintain investors confidence but not sustainable. Whereas for a RM0.20 company if consistently record high earning against a backdrop of lower PE, the share price will adjust to reflect actual value of the company.
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You still don't understand even given such a elaborate example.. ok lah good luck to you. doh.gif

I am talking about earning growth and you argue all the way to africa... rolleyes.gif

Remember to buy more penny shares yah..the lower the better... laugh.gif as your theory goes RM 0.02 sen companies has better growth than RM 20 companies because it is 'cheaper'.. whistling.gif

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post Dec 27 2013, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(escargo75 @ Dec 27 2013, 03:57 PM)
You also same I ask about good dividend stock at RM2 or below you all the way go to Antartica talking about earning growth  rclxub.gif  doh.gif  and want to be like expert bla bla bla. just direct answer la or else dun say anything...
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Trying to teach you the basics of FA.. you dont want to listen.. then what can we do?

Anyway good luck. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 27 2013, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Dec 27 2013, 03:59 PM)
There is a tendency of cheaper stocks have lower PE, but DO NOT NECESSARY TRUE.  smile.gif
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Some cheaper stocks have negative EPS ... so infinite PE. laugh.gif
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post Dec 27 2013, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(escargo75 @ Dec 27 2013, 04:04 PM)
Also I never say that penny stock is better it is just your thought. I say this base on your example provided. Just ask you if company A stock value is RM60 versus another company B stock value as RM6 but both provide the same DY which will you buy? With the same DY, why would I buy the RM60 company stock with very little capital appreciation compare to a RM6 company that have good upswing with less commission that I need to pay per lot...
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Capital appreciation is always based on profit growth.. hence the example is trying to say is A RM 0.2 and RM 2 stock does not have limitation in their price to give the same profit growth as in EPS.

If you hold the same amount of Comp A and Comp B (In terms of value, not number of stock) your capital appreciation is the same. And if they decide to pay the same value of dividend (again value) you will receive the same percentage of dividend.

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post Dec 27 2013, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(escargo75 @ Dec 27 2013, 04:18 PM)
Yeah right the share price behave like all the mathematical calculation and the market is very rational and should behave very rational.....You win!
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hahaha no you win.... rclxms.gif

Like this kind of people also dare to invest in stocks.. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Seriously good luck.. you will need it. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 27 2013, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(escargo75 @ Dec 27 2013, 04:20 PM)
"Capital appreciation is always base on profit growth" Yeah right you live in an ideal world same like your friend.
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Adoi.. adoi.. My stomach pain from laughing too loud... laugh.gif


Stop already... tongue.gif

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post Dec 28 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 28 2013, 03:59 PM)
gark & Pink Spider
Is it ok to buy PTARAS at yee fatt fatt?

Since construction business is cyclical, I expect to buy at lower PE compared to trading/service serctors. The price for PE 10 (last 4 Q, split-adjusted) is 3.03  rolleyes.gif
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For me still under KIV... need further study... hmm.gif
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post Jan 7 2014, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 7 2014, 10:09 PM)
Wow...u very the greedy...

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But...the growth rate is slowing down...it might even become negative growth...u notice that? hmm.gif
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Last time you very pro beer stock... now very negative... why ah? tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2014, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 8 2014, 09:58 AM)
Can share why are you buying CSC despite EPS is dropping?

No doubt the dividend yield is high.  hmm.gif
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Cscenic is similar to other hot furniture counters now, mostly export to USA, hence higher earnings, Cscenic may be re-rated IF they can show improve earnings...
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post Jan 8 2014, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jan 8 2014, 05:37 PM)
A new law, possibly to be passed this year, that will do away with the par value for shares will see shareholders of listed companies receive a windfall running into the hundreds of billions of ringgit.

It is estimated that the shareholders of the 33 largest listed companies alone may receive at least RM100 bil in the form of bonus shares or dividends. The RM100 bil is tabulated by taking into account the current share premium of the top 33 companies on Bursa Malaysia as well as companies which went for listing in the last two years. If the share premium of all listed companies is tabulated, the amount would be many times more.
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Misleading.... so misleading..... whistling.gif

But then how?.. Malaysian are addicted to bonus issue... laugh.gif

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post Jan 8 2014, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jan 8 2014, 06:14 PM)
found the answer from DALI blog.

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Shhhhh... not so loud tongue.gif

Dont change the uncle/aunty midset... laugh.gif

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post Jan 23 2014, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 23 2014, 04:51 PM)
Jupiter cheap cheap only...min. RM10...less than 0.5% of transaction value tongue.gif
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Mine is 0.12% and no minimum..... whistling.gif

But broker not in malaysia. laugh.gif
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post Jan 23 2014, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Jan 23 2014, 10:06 PM)
Broker where?  notworthy.gif
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Indon.. tongue.gif
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post Mar 27 2014, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(rotloi @ Mar 27 2014, 05:55 AM)
Pintaras drop like no one care.. $6 to $2..
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Not drop lah.. it bonus issue, which is good news. doh.gif

Before you attempt to trade stock, first learn to read all you can on the fundamentals of the stock, not just see the 'price' which tells you nothing.
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post Apr 2 2014, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 2 2014, 10:49 AM)
Div recently Ex 11 Feb 2014 for 0.008

Last year 2013, div was declared on feb, may aug.
Total for 2013 was 0.008+0.008+0.006 =RM 0.022 which was highest for last 5 years.
2012 div was only 0.008
2011 total was 0.015 + 0.0065 = 0.0215
2010 total 0.005
2009 total 0.005

based on past records, div YOYO.
anybody hv estimate for 2014?
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Rather you try predict next years dividend, try to see if the dividend is sustainable first?

Buying a supposedly high dividend company without checking the sustainability and where they get the money for future dividend payment is playing a very high risk game. wink.gif

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post Apr 4 2014, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2014, 12:37 PM)
1. consistent dividends (yield about 4%++)
2. cash rich
3. riding on infrastructure/construction expansion
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Hmm.. RM 8 looks about right.. nearly 5% yield.. whistling.gif

I shall wait there for you. laugh.gif

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post Apr 4 2014, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 4 2014, 12:43 PM)
reason for dropping?
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Dividend stocks = reit stocks = bond yield = tapering whistling.gif

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post Apr 4 2014, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2014, 12:43 PM)
If I wanna guess...I'd guess foreign dumping
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Yeah.. for what reason? tongue.gif

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