I am driving a Proton Saga Aeroback-Manual aged about 3 .5 years.

My petrol consumption is approx RM75 for 380km to 400km only, about RM0.20 per km, is that normal?

I have checked my tire pressure which I pumped 220 for front wheels and 210 for back wheels and I seldom switch on my air condition unless weather reaches about 35 degress celcius hot. I have cleaned my air filter oso.

Hope you guys can point out what happen to my petrol consumption. Thanks

This post has been edited by XfX: Dec 17 2007, 03:58 PM

my city almost 3 years. roughly rm60 about 400km. city drive only. if long distance, should be more milleage. check your engine timing, driving skill etc.

turning off you aircon might not a good idea. when you open your window, your car will have more drag/resistance/heavier which will cost more petrol than turning on the aircon.

my 2cent opinion only.

your previous full tank and goes to how many km ?

Ok, eventhough i off my aircond, i will not open my window bcos i know tat once i open ur window the car will have more drag due to aerodynamic kind of thing. Correct me if i wrong.

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Added on December 17, 2007, 4:19 pmAround RM65 for 400km on highway and 350km for city drive.

This post has been edited by XfX: Dec 17 2007, 04:19 PM

Check your air filter, spark plug and when you do your last service? retune your AFR and try again.

20sen/km for a Saga Aeroback is not normal. My 11yr old 2.0 gives me better consumption.

apart from what the others recommend you to do, please also check if there is any leak in the exhaust system. A leak in the exhaust will make your car lost power, thus you tend to tekan more.

good luck.

depends on the speed. the car @ going at.

when u last time services? now wat km ? wat part u change for last service?

my family's 1996 Saga is doing around that mileage...and its re-he-he-ally problematic. Suppose your car got some big problem now.

maybe it's time for engine overhaul

if for my case, its normal...

Mine slightly better than you a little.

Simple conclusion


VERY EXPENSIVE LAAAAAAAAAAA

expensive buy this one loh...

ya some of the members already point out there... it wont be wise if u turn off the aircon and wind down the window as the air resistance ll affect ur car drag which eventually required more power to run where ur leg ll be heavier thus FC is high

my wira FC almost same with u ... full tank RM 75.. less than 400km...

seem nothing really increase ur FC too much ~ maybe you stop the car too much ~

dude.. ur car is auto??

that drag increase only applies above 60 or 70 kmh

idling in jams too much.. tune down ur no-aircon idle to 600-650rpm and dun use aircon

how can u compare honda city with saga?
EFi vs carburator?
CVT vs conventional 5 speed manual gear?
newer vs older? (in term of technology and age)

that because u use weber monster

he stated there, manual..

I think, no different with my 9 months old LMST. RM75, can go around 400km. I drive average 120-130km/h, with high rev to 5-6k rpm.Change exhaust system somemore.

This post has been edited by singchaii: Dec 18 2007, 12:14 AM

u shud be happy
my dad wira only do 325km from RM70 petrol
0.215sen/km

i tot the fc is control by the style u drive....rev all the way..or..proper driving...no?as mine full tank can exceed more than 380km i think...

This post has been edited by sucka3: Dec 17 2007, 11:26 PM

this saga since its carbie needs to be in tiptop tuning all the while in order to save fuel. use 10w40 oil instead of 20w50. fuel filter is rm6-8..every 40k km replace lah, since so cheap.

the fastest proton car in the world

lol....typo error nia....

kidding only ma.

don't take hard feeling~

sorry.. typo. Is 400km.

hehehe,just joking:P

just want to add:

my friend saga rm10 can get max 60km. sometime even 50km only..

mine iswara 2001 experience heavy FC also recently...
thnk possibly due the heavy tyres dunlop Formula D001.....

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petrol naik, fc naik......soon gona eat tanah

7 years old iswara aeroback
mine RM50 could go 320km
RM70 could go more than 400km for sure..
if i'm not mistaken could go up to 450-480km
city and highway driving...

Oh? I am diring Saga Manual 1.3 too, same with urs, n my fren bought a new Saga, oso same figure, so i think is normal la...

i do believe that city driving and also heavy right foot could coz high FC for saga....
if i drive like rev gila one damn sakit oo...
tried b4 but as for now rev up to 4k max is enough...
is emergency or in a rush only rev up to 6k
nvr tried up to 7k b4
but seen in the youtube all those guys doing it ...
Is it safe for 4G13 to rev up to 7k ? (stock car that is)

Last service on Aug'07 but i have yet to reach 5,000 km and i have change the back part of the exhaust paip

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Added on December 18, 2007, 8:37 amEventhough i off the aircond, i will not wind down the window.

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Added on December 18, 2007, 8:38 ammanual

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Added on December 18, 2007, 8:43 amDun u think it's a bit unreasonable? 1.3 liter engine + manual compare to other Toyota cars like Vios 1.5 liter + auto and Vios got better FC?

Malaysian car is a malaysian car... haih.. me a bit regretted to have purchased this car. Should have buy a Myvi.

This post has been edited by XfX: Dec 18 2007, 08:43 AM

IM USING 4G13 i guess i did that before, no worry u have rpm cut. when u reach to red line it wont let u go anymore futher and it wont hurt ur car badly but a bit of coz if u do it all da time.

my max while i drive fast 6k++ rpm

and yea my car used to drive 60RM 350 to 380km proton satria here. always 3k rpm to 5km rpm. [i cant drive slow]

city drive of coz.

and now dunno is my throllete body problem or else 60Rm 300km to 320km

but proton car around 300 to 350km is consider normal. cuz ton of people drivin gasoline mileage around there.

can over 340 that is happy news.

me also find my car trouble why suddenly gone 50km >.<

only thing to find out is change pipe and thollete body {SINCE KINDA SPOIL}
[cuz my car idle 700 to 1400rpm on aircorn, if off 700 to 1000Rpm too]

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xfx and ur question, 1st thing 1st. u compare both cars price [different right?] . and 2nd vios is below 1000kg, 3rd vvti more newer tech den our proton, 4th u are using siemen ECU [not mitsubishi] , all the technology is different. sure u can eat more den vios la. like last time i used to drive a4 audi 2.0T [2006] 130Rm can run 700km,

and myvi manual can run 60 to 70rm i forget can run below 500km i guess.. around 400 to 480km?

and myvi auto can run 320 to 360km.

better dun our member tried red line and burns some of his electronic components

arrr mayb is about the time LOL. but me never face it hahaha

My car also same .. LMST before my first tank only give me around 350km for RM80+ imagine that??? then now my car RM70 can go for 400km-430km if u go highway i can reach 480-500km on RM70+. So kinda reasonable my highway FC is compitable with my aunt Vios. Her Vios RM0.1400 sth.. my is like RM0.143 sth.

MyVI FC also not as good as u think car underpower becos of the MyVI body. THen more fuel to be burn. I would suggest u go for City IDSI if u got budget sell ur car and buy a City IDSI got power (compare to LMST) + low FC.

Some members is rite how would u compare carbie to EFI? Do u know wat is VVTI? VVTI use ECU to control the fuel injection. Where carbie use ur leg to control the fuel flow. if u wan ur FC better than Vios or City u must think better than ECU.

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Added on December 18, 2007, 12:22 pmsaga a/b got ECU meh?

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Dec 18 2007, 12:22 PM

my 4g13 wira drive to melaka from subang wif rm 50 petrol. 185 km (go into melaka and exit) + 150 km ( drive out from melaka , sesat in nilai 3 before come back to subang )

wif 4 passenger

185km + 150km = 335km

335/50 = rm0.067 / km

and i tot my fuel consumption is so high.. after reading this thread.. oh well.. mine still doing good i guess..

This post has been edited by stormyz: Dec 18 2007, 12:46 PM

For all you guys having FC problems, you should check the following
1. Is your engine leaky (i.e: Constantly loosing lube, white smoke, etc.)?
2. Your driving habits (redlining or late-shifting)
3. Car maintenance (type of lube used, service frequency).

If you have generally good maintenance habits & your car has little or no damage symptoms, I'll suggest cleaning the carb & retuning the AFR.

Carb cleaning can either be in the the form of a complete service, where you carb is taken apart, cleaned & re-assembled by a reputable mechanic or the simpler spray-cleaner technique (carb cleaner in a can).

As for re-tuning your AFR, please find a mechanic that owns & knows how to use a timing gun + emission analyzer, proper AFR tuning equipment. Most of the Proton service centers should have them.

My 2 cents

BTW, I get about 12.8KM/L or RM0.15/KM on a good day (mixed cycle). Given that my engine is already consuming a little black oil & the tuning is slightly off, I'd say it isn't too shabby

This post has been edited by GoldenHawk: Dec 18 2007, 01:56 PM

my iswara, 97 a/b
maybe due to aging of engine (never overhaul so far), RM50 give approx 250km in city driving.. (same as rm0.20perkm)

@stormyz
calc wrong, is 50/335 = RM0.15perKM

I thought my maths were bad
Either it's still bad or your maths is just as good as mine.
I calculated 335KM / RM50 = RM0.14925373134328358208955223880597/KM

It all depends on how you drive and what kind of traffic you are facing...

well that day i check my car and my friends said my car has mitsu not siemen ecu...

me also cheap proton suppose alll proton also are the same ?

well im not sure about the car fully detail i only know some part from my knowledge that i face before and i saw and i learn from others that kinda pro friends?

haha burn gas is ok as long as it fast and not burn too much can d

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like golden hawk said is rite.

check and check. once u check the money need to spend and spend

yes i got engine oil leakin too so... arrr spend again. i dunno how much i spend once the proton start to spoil. it just never end spoil..

just wish to buy half cut and settle all of the problem ...

oopss...

my bad..wrong calculation

nvm...i still happy wif rm0.15/km

Mind to share what is 'Crab' and 'AFR'? Me a car noobie.

not crab is carburetor
afr is air fuel ratio..
it can be adjust from the carburetor itself not its not recommend for u to adjust urself as u may mess up with the timing. its recommended for u to send back to proton Service centre or sent to a reputable and trusted mech to adjust back ur AFR.
U may need to check ur air filter, spark plug, and ur engine oil. see ur engine oil is at constant marking or drop from time to time.. if ur engine start to burn ur engine oil ur FC confirm bad already..

yeah.. Find a trustable mech to adjust AFR using o2 sensor machine..