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Tohsan
post Jan 23 2010, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(zeese @ Jan 21 2010, 09:13 AM)
My area is under MPSJ. I paid RM2.5k TOTAL.

This is including everything .. until approval
-runner fee
-alam flora
-architect drawing & approval
-etc

My neighbours paid 3K total. Basically, the whole process should be less than 3k.
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i pay RM1.5k for drawing and rental plus cagaran for tong sampan/tong roro and some miscelaneous charges of RM700 plus. All in is about RM2300. I employ Zainuddin b.Ya to draw up my extension plan. He sit on Board of Architect Malaysia and also approved panel by MPSJ. You can view his name in the MPSJ listing. The whole process from drawing up to submission up to approval takes about 2 weeks.
The tong roro they will charge for rm270 per tong of less than 3 ton for a period of 2 weeks, after that they will charge RM7 per day as additional charge if u decide to keep the tong for more than 2 weeks.

The permit allow you to renovate your house for a period of 1 year from the date of approval. You will need to exhibit the permit at the site just in case MPSJ people come to audit, but so far my house already renovate for more than 2 weeks they didn't turn up.


Added on January 23, 2010, 2:31 pm
QUOTE(Aphroditee @ Jan 22 2010, 11:02 AM)
Does this approval thing only apply to landed property? or is it required for condominiums too?
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Condo no needla becos all is within the internal area.


Added on January 23, 2010, 2:32 pm
QUOTE(ocu888 @ Jan 20 2010, 11:42 PM)
Anyone done extension works in PJ area? Do you have any idea how much it would cost for a standard 5ft kitchen extension? Need some feedback on this....What is the procedure and what documents required.
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I think the cost very much depend on material use, rough estimation will be something like RM40k i heard.

This post has been edited by Tohsan: Jan 23 2010, 02:32 PM
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post Jul 3 2010, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(X-Zen @ Dec 26 2007, 03:21 PM)
hehe lucky you

eh not sure what you mean but generally bad workmanship.

I heard few of my neighbour just brought the standard drawing from MPSJ. Not sure whether that works or not?
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hey bro, glad that knowing all of us are actualy buying at the same area. Are you phase 3 owner? sorry to ask, hv u gotten ur CF?
yes, poor workman ship. i hv defect highlighted since last year Nov, but they hv yet to respond to me till to-date...
they even told me i will still get their 2 yrs warranty on the date i get my CF... vmad.gif

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post Jun 5 2011, 08:23 PM

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its been a while since this thread was active.

I'd like to know if anyone could assist me in permit application process in MPSJ today, as in the latest procedure?

my contractor said can just go buy standard backyard/kitchen extension (approx 3-4ft), and submit...cost a few hundred bucks only.

Is that true?

cos im seeing most approvals above require 2k+.
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post Jun 10 2011, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Serofax @ Jun 5 2011, 08:23 PM)
its been a while since this thread was active.

I'd like to know if anyone could assist me in permit application process in MPSJ today, as in the latest procedure?

my contractor said can just go buy standard backyard/kitchen extension (approx 3-4ft), and submit...cost a few hundred bucks only.

Is that true?

cos im seeing most approvals above require 2k+.
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As an Architect, I'd advise you to just go straight to MPSJ, take down all the notes and costs incurred to obtain permit to construct or extend and compare it with what your contractor offers. You're not going to get anythingfrom this forum coz from where I'm standing everyone here is pretty clueless and leaning on other peoples opinion. Better still, bring along your floor plans if you have any, show some photos of what you want to demolish or everything about the house so they can pinpoint concerns you should consider... describe to the technical staff CLEARLY what you want to do... be honest, if u have some crazy idea to build a swimming pool in you terrace house... tell him/her that, listen to his/her response and rational... Don't ask a contractor... they all can can can. Go to both the Planning Department... start from there, then to the Building Department... if necessary to gage what kind of construction ure going up against... go to the Engineers Department.

Council standard drawings are basically done by Chartered Building Draftsman. They're ugly, cheap and may not relay your intents... but they are workable.

Hiring an Architect is basically to skip any of the hassle I mentioned above, and planning to go the extra mile in design. Advice... if you plan to extend your building side ways, ground or first floor... Consult an architect. Getting consultants is not screw you up, but to consult you so you don't get screwed. Design is subjective. If you're talking about fees... its usually 10% of the Cost you want to put in to construction... IE you have a budget of 400K, then fees are 40k for the Arch and 7k for the Eng. Yes its 10%, but there is a limit... any lower (meaning project cost) and u might as well get a building draftsman recommended by your council...

I've done dozens of renovation jobs in Bukit Damansara, TTDI, Ukay Heights and I've dealt with all sort of clients with all sorts of budgets. The one common flaw in all my clients is that they depend on second hand stories and judgement... Please, before you plan to invest in increasing your habitable space, consult with an Architect or visit the local council. All local Councils have different approaches to residential upgrades, depending on topography. better an intelligent spender than a careful spender...
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QUOTE(Serofax @ Jun 5 2011, 09:23 PM)
its been a while since this thread was active.

I'd like to know if anyone could assist me in permit application process in MPSJ today, as in the latest procedure?

my contractor said can just go buy standard backyard/kitchen extension (approx 3-4ft), and submit...cost a few hundred bucks only.

Is that true?

cos im seeing most approvals above require 2k+.
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FYI, MPSJ has stop the standard renovation plans effective end of last year. All renovation will need to be drawn and submitted by either a building draftman or Architect. Do pay MPSJ a visit. You can get a list of the submitting draftman or Architect that are registered with the council.
Don't just listen to your contractor. It is advisable that you get the renovation permit approved and display the permit on site during the renovation. Else you could be slapped with a fine of 10X the processing fees.
There are the other Alam Flora fees, etc
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post Jun 21 2011, 09:24 PM

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Effective from Jan 2010, MPSJ requires all renovation to submit renovation plans using their panel of Architects. They have stopped using the standard renovation plans for kitchen and car porch.
It cost about RM1+k for the preparation and submission. This exclude the other fees to MPSJ.
Alam Flora - 500
permit sampah - 180
plan fees - 140
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post Jun 22 2011, 09:59 AM

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my bad... you are right..
it should be effective end of 2009, MPSJ has stopped the standard renovation plan. Cos I was there to inquire about my house renovation and that what I was told.
Anyway, I managed to get a building draftsman to get the drawings done, submitted and obtained the necessary approval for around RM1k thumbup.gif
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post Aug 8 2011, 11:30 PM

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Hi there, if i've bought the house with extended kitchen & car posh, how & who i need to check with on whether the extended portion is approved by the local authorities? smile.gif
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post Aug 9 2011, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(klemechi @ Aug 9 2011, 12:30 AM)
Hi there, if i've bought the house with extended kitchen & car posh, how & who i need to check with on whether the extended portion is approved by the local authorities? smile.gif
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The seller biggrin.gif
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post Aug 9 2011, 08:52 AM

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Sorry for tumpang thread.
Check with you all, if a roof is added at the rear portion of a link house.
Only roof, without any wall.
Still need to get approval from local authority?

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Aug 9 2011, 09:52 AM)
Sorry for tumpang thread.
Check with you all, if a roof is added at the rear portion of a link house.
Only roof, without any wall.
Still need to get approval from local authority?
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Depends on the respective local authority of your area. Mostly does not need as it is considered as a canopy.
Anyway, to be sure, you could always check with your local authority smile.gif
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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Aug 9 2011, 08:52 AM)
Sorry for tumpang thread.
Check with you all, if a roof is added at the rear portion of a link house.
Only roof, without any wall.
Still need to get approval from local authority?
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Just go ahead with the works. As the works is consider as minor renovation with only 1 weeks construction period.
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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Aug 9 2011, 08:38 AM)
The seller  biggrin.gif
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i've check through the agent i deal with, he said the onwer did not get any approval from the local authority and i've already sign the s&p. The agent said, lawyer also did not have the juridiction to ask the owner to get approval settle before handing over the key. He said is the normal case and normally plp wont bother bout this. But my case now is im goin to do some renovation of my master bedroom & kitchen. If im goin to get the approval from local authority, im affraid they will prenalty me on the previous extension if they found out. How to avoid this bros...?? doh.gif
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QUOTE(klemechi @ Aug 9 2011, 08:05 PM)
i've check through the agent i deal with, he said the onwer did not get any approval from the local authority and i've already sign the s&p. The agent said, lawyer also did not have the juridiction to ask the owner to get approval settle before handing over the key. He said is the normal case and normally plp wont bother bout this. But my case now is im goin to do some renovation of my master bedroom & kitchen. If im goin to get the approval from local authority, im affraid they will prenalty me on the previous extension if they found out. How to avoid this bros...??  doh.gif
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How old is your house? If already old house, normally the local authority would not bother much. Anyway, it also depend on your location.
Furthermore you could prove with your S&P that you are the new owner and the existing renovation was done by previous owner.

Are you planning to use either a Building draftman or Architect to submit you renovation application? They should be able to advice you accordingly. Not to worry too much. just enjoy your new house bro. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Aug 9 2011, 08:56 AM)
Depends on the respective local authority of your area. Mostly does not need as it is considered as a canopy.
Anyway, to be sure, you could always check with your local authority  smile.gif
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Yeah, i think i better give them a call.

QUOTE(edyek @ Aug 9 2011, 09:07 AM)
Just go ahead with the works. As the works is consider as minor renovation with only 1 weeks construction period.
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The work already done. I am trying to purchase a second hand unit link house with this roof done. When i ask for the approval from the current owner. He told me it is not necessary to obtain authority approval. I just wanna double confirm.

Thanks for both of you reply
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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Aug 10 2011, 09:05 AM)
Yeah, i think i better give them a call.
The work already done. I am trying to purchase a second hand unit link house with this roof done. When i ask for the approval from the current owner. He told me it is not necessary to obtain authority approval. I just wanna double confirm.

Thanks for both of you reply
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Hi is it possible to share contacts of draftsman? or some runner to submit my drawings to MBPJ.
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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Jun 22 2011, 09:59 AM)
my bad... you are right..
it should be effective end of 2009, MPSJ has stopped the standard renovation plan. Cos I was there to inquire about my house renovation and that what I was told.
Anyway, I managed to get a building draftsman to get the drawings done, submitted and obtained the necessary approval for around RM1k  thumbup.gif
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Hi Kelvin,

Can you assist me with the contacts??? I wanted to extent my kitchen too.

THanks
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QUOTE(yyt1 @ Oct 4 2011, 02:11 AM)
Hi Kelvin,

Can you assist me with the contacts??? I wanted to extent my kitchen too.

THanks
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PM sent to you. Pls check.
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Kelvyn.

Pls PM me the contacts too.

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QUOTE(ahter @ Oct 4 2011, 11:04 AM)
Kelvyn.

Pls PM me the contacts too.

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