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melvinchen
post Jan 13 2008, 08:55 PM

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My email to Proton management.

From: xxx
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:35
To: 'XXX1@proton.com.sg'
Cc: 'XXX2@proton.com.sg'; 'XXX3@proton.com'; 'XXX4@proton.com.sg'; 'XXX5@proton.com.sg';
Subject: Problems Encountered On The Brand New Proton Persona (SJA XXX Z)



Hi XXX1



I'm writing to you to express my uttermost disappointment in build quality of the new Proton Persona. Allow me to explain more I have been facing a lot of problem with car since the day that I took delivery of the car which is 30 Nov 2007. The problems that I'm currently facing consist of poorly designed right mirror that has focusing problem which make reverse and parallel parking extremely difficult. Both the right and the rear view mirror had focusing problems which makes them function like a magnifying glass. Kindly please see the rest of the faults that I have encountered over the past one month in point form below.



Right and rear view mirror focusing problem (magnifying glass effect)
Noisy Engine - Loud noise even when the vehicle is stationary (Suspect air/fuel ratio or air intake problem)
Faulty fuel gauge (Incorrect reading, needle at ¾ even when I pump full tank and petrol warning lights up when the total mileage is just 280KM)
Noisy air conditional (Please check the compressor)
Central locking/Immobilizer intermittent faulty (Unable to unlock or disarmed the vehicle using the remote and the vehicle is able start using key when it is armed) this poses security problem especially when driving into Malaysia.
Transmission - loss of acceleration power during gear shifting.
Weak engine - Have to rav up to 3000K RPM to get the reasonable power to move the vehicle (Facing power lost during up hill driving) for your info I don't get this problem in my formal 5 years old Toyota Corolla (1.3L)
On board computer showing incorrect fuel information (Suspect fuel sensor or ECU faulty)
Fuel tank problem (Cabin full of petrol smell after top up and I suspect either there is a problem with the fuel tank or fuel line)


On the Christmas Eve which is 24 Dec 2007 I sent my vehicle to Taban gardens for servicing/repair and was told by your engineer that my fuel pump is faulty which might have caused the incorrect reading. They had my fuel pump replaced and advised me to monitor the problem. I was driving the vehicle for the past 1 week after the repair and the problem reoccurred.



At first I thought this vehicle's fuel consummation might be on the high side as the engine is not seasoned and that was the benefit of doubt that I gave Proton. However I was wrong base on figure that was printed on the receipt issued by the petrol station. Let us do some mathematical calculation supposing the fuel tank capacity is 50L and if the tank is empty the amount of fuel that I would have pumped would be 40L plus excluding the patrol in the reserved tank.



However this was not the case my receipt was showing that I had only pumped 31L plus of petrol which means I had a left over of 19L plus of petrol in the fuel tank. I then feedback this to my sales agent Ray Lee and Ray simply said other customers does not have the above mentioned faults and I'm the only special one that reported the above mentioned faults. What makes me boiled is Ray said the high fuel consummation is due to my driving style and I don't know what he meant and I think there is nothing wrong with my driving style.



If the fuel consummation of the Proton Persona is really that high then I would say that the persona's fuel economy is worst than a Honda DC 5, Mazda RX8 and other performances cars available in the market. Performances car produces results and performance and I willing to pay for its premium (Petrol) but the persona is just a normal family sedan and such high fuel consummation is not acceptable.



Base on the above mentioned complains I felt that these faults should not be happening to a new car given the fact that this vehicle has already passed the QC before it is allowed to be exported. However this was not the case for my car which causes doubts in me and my confidents in Proton is at rock bottom after this incident. I also doubt the ability of Proton service center engineers to diagnose the problem of my car. If Proton is unable to have my problems rectify please let me know and I have my car fixed in the workshop of my choice and I claim the repair/servicing charges from Proton.



My dad is on his way to Taban Gardens to meet up with your engineers and discuses about my car and what can it be done to have the above mentioned rectify once and for all. Please understand we have to work and our leaves and time offs are limited we DO NOT have the time of keep sending the vehicle for repairs/servicing and if I'm required to leave car at workshop and I would no car to use is Proton going to pay for my daily cab fare or rental fees of the rented car due to loss of use of my car? I really hope Proton is able to have the above mentioned faults rectified once and for all otherwise I would have to seek a second opinion from the workshop of my choice and make claims from Proton should there by any charges.



Please understand we are not trying to make things difficult for your organization but please take into consideration that the above mentioned faults on a new car is NOT ACCTABLE at the consumer's level as Proton has already done QC and we as consumer expects the product to be in a tip top condition!

Thanks/Regards
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melvinchen
post Jan 13 2008, 09:24 PM

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I have sent my vehicle to Proton for the 3rd time and my problem does not seems to go away.
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post Jan 13 2008, 10:29 PM

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Is your persona registered Malaysia or Singapore?
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post Jan 13 2008, 11:01 PM

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What is average fuel consummation? Seriously I do not believe the persona FC is that bad on urban driving. Come on man the persona is not a turbo charged vehicle.
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post Jan 13 2008, 11:46 PM

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I have feedback this to Proton already but it seems that they are not going to do anything about it. Perhaps need more people like us to make complains then maybe they will do something about it.

Proton says nothing wrong with the right mirror (:
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post Jan 13 2008, 11:48 PM

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My idling is 755RPM (base on Proton's computer) but the RPM meter is showing 1000. I think got to use after market solutions such as after market RPM meter and a few more gauges.


Added on January 13, 2008, 11:50 pmI complained to proton more than 2 times but they are not solving the problem.

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post Jan 14 2008, 07:05 AM

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No loh I don't get this problem when driving my friend's Altis and swift. So boils down to QC question again.


Added on January 14, 2008, 7:28 amI bought my car in Singapore leh haha


Added on January 14, 2008, 7:35 amFranking speaking other than the fuel gauge, central locking (sometimes not working) and the mirror so far no major issues.

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post Jan 14 2008, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Jan 14 2008, 09:07 AM)
aku lagi yang kena petik
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now thats hero, wash car so long
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ok the right mirror,
for the neo, the driver side (right side) has something like magnifying effect, took me a while to get used to it..

i am not sure if the mirror for the persona is using the same type... how about the left side? still the same effect?

cuz some car, the side mirror has the label "object might seem closer then they are" or something like that... this is also due to the magnifying effect <-- someone correct me please....
hmm singapore
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cant help much on different SC suggestion
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central locking, is it only the front passenger side that is giving the problem or all 4 doors?
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Left mirror is normal just like those fitted on Japanese,Korean and European cars. Central locking system applies to all 4 doors intermittent not working.
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post Jan 14 2008, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 14 2008, 09:48 AM)
hey,

has anybody changed the tires yet? i'll be getting the one with NCT5 which I don't like coz it's noisy. the stock tires are 190/60/15 which is a bit odd. I couldn't find any other brand other than the Conti, Goodyear and Silverstone. Is there any Yokos or Bridgestone tires come in this size?
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Try Hankook Korean brand tune for street performance.
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post Jan 14 2008, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Jan 14 2008, 11:38 AM)
hi melvin, did they check the wiring from the door control to all the actuator of all 4 doors?
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That I'm not sure.
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post Jan 14 2008, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Jan 14 2008, 11:55 AM)
maybe u can get them to do it and make sure they do
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i have seen a few persona owners that have loose wire contact that causes this issue
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This is a question of QC again so its a myth after all export model of Proton and domestic model gets the same QC checks
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post Jan 14 2008, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Jan 14 2008, 12:18 PM)
it is indeed a myth that export model get better QC..
its the same actually
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just that alot of sore people here that dun believe that and wanting to get honda city at RM 40k
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hi melvin, not all persona is effected by this... loose wiring contact point can be alot of factor
- during transportation, handling and assembly, etc
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anyway do update us all on this
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I understand but the fuel gauge thingy is not acceptable.
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post Jan 14 2008, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Nel @ Jan 14 2008, 04:40 PM)
sounds like you are the one of the unlucky person who  get a bad QC car. and yes Proton always sound cocky dont want to fix the problem maybe the problem might lead to change the whole car~so they just avoid you lo~~  hmm.gif
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WHAT! If they do that in Singapore I report them to the law enforcement agencies.
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post Jan 14 2008, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jan 14 2008, 08:42 PM)
5 years warranty is not there for nothing
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Singapore market is only 3 years or 60k KM which ever come first
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post Jan 15 2008, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jan 14 2008, 11:05 PM)
Good. BLM got front speaker or not eh. I think they didnt print it in the brochure.
Cannot wait anymore to see the the blm. So tempting to get 1.
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stock speakers cannot make it leh. I went to change my speakers, add an amp and active sub when I got my ride!
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post Jan 18 2008, 11:27 PM

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Added on January 19, 2008, 12:17 am3/4 tank and the total distance traveled is just 41KM

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post Jan 19 2008, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(bluswhitehat @ Jan 19 2008, 09:58 AM)
2400km only what..
my car is 3300++ around there my FC is still 10.5L/100km...
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my average FC is around 12/100KM
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post Jan 19 2008, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Nel @ Jan 19 2008, 11:35 AM)
bought #7899# through my agent 400bucks~~ damn~~


Added on January 19, 2008, 11:36 am

Just pump the regular type la~~ dont pump Super~ hehe~ save some money then after 3rd service will better.
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I'm using Esso/Mobil 98 which is considered normal in Singapore

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post Jan 20 2008, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Nel @ Jan 20 2008, 04:35 PM)
Hey guys i got big trouble here, just now lend the car to my friend who is a dumb of manual car, and he keep on failed engine died a few times, after that the ignition light is on ~ and it not off at all~~ what can i do ?? is it really a big trouble ????
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You better send your ride back to agent for checks ASAP (Next business day)
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post Jan 20 2008, 11:48 PM

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The CAMPRO engine is a high rev engine. High rev leads to high FC lets hope the upcoming CAMPRO CPS can give better performance as promised and I believe the FC would be slightly better than the current CAMPRO engine.

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