That may be true, as you know i have a Wii as well and im a hardcore gamer...i even play with both the PS3 guys and 360 guys best i can....but i can tell you...the Wii is not the hardcore gamers machine..Most hardcore gamers have been gaming for years...i have been gaming for about 15 years...that means that they have been exposed to franchises that they care about like MGS, Tekken, DOA, Virtual Fighter, Halo....also hardcore gamers enjoy games that has plenty of action...The Wii..hardly has any action games when compared to the 360 and PS3.

I know that Mario Galaxies is very addictive and can be considered a hardcore game, the fact is out of the Wii's lineup..only Mario and few other titles are targeted to the hardcore, the rest are targeted to the casuals...

I mean no offense but lets have a comparison shall we?

GTA 4: release for 360 and PS3....for hardcore gamers
Mass Effect: release for 360...for hardcore gamers
HAZE: release for PS3...for hardcore gamers
Assassins Creed: release for PS3 and 360...for hardcore gamers
Unreal Tournament 3: release for PS3 and 360...for hardcore gamers
Gears of War...360...hardcore gamers...
Mario Galaxy:...Wii...hardcore gamers
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles: Wii...hardcore gamers
Metroid prime 3: Wii...hardcore gamers
Manhunt 2...hardcore...Wii and PS2
Now..

Wii Sports...casual gamers
WiiFit...Casual gamers
Rayman Raving Rabbids...casual gamers
Jenga...casual gamers
Brain Age Wii...casual gamers
Wii Play..casual gamers
Mario and Sonic at the Olympics...casual gamers
Cooking Mama..casual gamers
mySims...casual gamers

as you can tell the overwhelming majority of casual games belong to the Wii...also the Wii is missing several hardcore titles such as GTA..

once again this is my view, im not attacking the Wii at all... i have lots of fun with Mario and Umbrella CHronicles...and Rabbids 2

Yes, they did....several times... maybe not the DS since it has several hardcore games that any hardcore gamer like myself love....CONTRA 4? The best DS game in my opinion...

Corez, you provide great rebuttals...

1) First off im sorry for not mentioning the Nintendo franchises...its not out of spite...its just that i forgot sorry. I still remember my Super Mario 3 days on my NES...Absolutely nothing can take that memory away.

What i mean by the casual gamer is that they dont play as long or as hard as we do....the Wii has several games targeted to the casual gamer...

2) it is also interesting that you mentioned No More Heroes as a hardcore title....i agree with you on that...but as you may know it bombed its release in Japan...which is unfortunate to say the least...

3) I knew that Scarface and Godfather was released for the Wii...the thing is that it was also released for the PS2...

Fact is...both games bombed on the Wii...

GODFATHER WII: Sales US
1) 15,871
2) 6,529
3) 3,833

TOTAL AMOUNT: 0.07 million
PS2 sales: 0.81 million...

SCARFACE: Wii US sales: 0.07 million
PS2 sales: 1.01 million...

These sale numbers aint mumbo jumbo either...vgchartz.com

4) Yes, i admit that i is too soon to write the Wii off as a GTA game machine...once again im sorry bout that...


I really lost my respect for the casual crowd after the whole No More Heroes slump...that game looked so good, it always hurts me when a good game like Psychonauts, Beyond Good and Evil and No More Heroes lose out to crap like 50 cent...

ANyway...about the Wii being targeted as a casual gamers machine..

"We're not thinking about fighting Sony, but about how many people we can get to play games. The thing we're thinking about most is not portable systems, consoles, and so forth, but that we want to get new people playing games."

Satoru Iwata...i know it may seem cryptic...but what he's saying is that he wants to let the gaming market grow by including demographics who havent played games.

"Let's face it. The bottom line of every E3 is simple: what's hot and what's not. Here's our take. What's hot is the feel of the game, the look is secondary. What's hot is the next leap, not just a small step. It's hot if it's disruptive, it's not if it's predictable. The future of our industry is inclusion, not exclusion. It's about the heat of emotion, not the chill of technology. We know that the future is right here. Wii and the DS represent the same thing: risk."
Reggie Fils-Aime basically the same thing...increased demographics...

Once again, i would like to say im not attacking the Wii....im just having a polite conversation about casual and hardcores

one more thing...the online support is (without a kinder word)...weak...friend codes...too hard to input..

This post has been edited by Hitman190: Dec 12 2007, 08:49 PM

friendly banter aside, i agree the Wii's online is weak..but i hope it will improve...but nintendo is not doing anything to improve their online...