Can you please clarify that which area of P1 did touched on 3.1? As I never attend 3.1 before, so i don't know which area of P1 is related to 3.1. However, I did attend P1 class. Based on my understanding, P1 are more towards a management paper. This is not only what I said, this is also indicated by the syllabus itself.

-The Cadbury Committee defined corporate governance as the system by which companies are directed and controlled.

-Monks & Minow then defined corporate governance as the relationship among various participants in determining the direction and performance of corporation.

Therefore, corporate governance is actually talking about how to run a company or the way how a company should be managed. So, a lecturer which is management oriented can really facilitate the learning of P1. This is only my opinion, please rectify me if i said anything wrong.

The P1 question for june 2008 is already out. To say that P1 does not need to show how to run or manage an organization is too general and is such a sweeping statement.

For example, Q. 1(e) asks students to describe the difficulties of maintaining internal controls while working with sub-contractors. This implies the difficulties of managing and running organizations while work is being sub-contracted. It has to be remembered that the ultimate aims of internal controls according to my P1 lecturer is to ensure that the strategic objectives of the organization is met. By that, it means that the mission, vision, goals, objectives and strategies can be met. Hence it does touches on running and managing an organization.

Sub-contracting will also affect how organizations are managed and run. Sub-contracting is also emphasized in management papers like P3.

It is also wrong to say that P1 answers are not flexible. The same can be said for some areas in P3. Once again, you have made sweeping statements. In all subjects, there will be some questions that have a fixed answer and others that may have a more broader scope of answer, based on your elaborations.

To give an example, in the December 2007 P1 Q. 2(b), there was the question that asked how risk awareness could be embedded in the culture of the organization. Would there be a specific answer to this question since you say that P1 is not flexible. The truth is there can be more than one answer for this question. A student who has learnt P3 can apply the work of Johnson, Scholes and Whittington’s cultural web to explain how risk awareness can be embedded in the organization. There may also be other ways to explain the answer. This shows that the answers in P1 can also be flexible and not specific as you have mentioned earlier.

In the same token, one can also say that P1 can also goreng as what you have mentioned for P3. However, a student who has taken P3 knows to goreng requires sound knowledge of P3. Good goreng comes from good knowledge.

It is also not true that P1 does not require business models. Models like Mandelow’s power-interest matrix, risk response models are examples that P1 also needs models.

In addition, issues on internal controls are not only found in audit papers. IT security and controls in paper 2.1 for example, had also covered on controls (depending on who taught you paper 2.1). Also risk management is covered in paper P3 under project management. Coincidentally, the June 2008 Q. 1(b) touched on project risks with regards to the development of the Dam project. Some knowledge of project management and even the work of Mc Farlan’s Implementation risk matrix can be used (remember, a diagram was needed). Was it covered in paper 3.1?

Finally, it must be remembered that CG, ethics and CSR are also covered in P3.

In conclusion, it is important not to make sweeping statements and realize not only audit lecturers should teach P1 but also management lecturers. Rhys Johnson, the person in charge of ACCA in this part of the region has mentioned just before the P1 December 2007 exams (the first exam for P1), that the ideal person to teach P1 should be a paper 3.5 lecturer. I assure you that this is what he has said.

Pls refer to my earlier postings to make the right decision on P1 lecturer. Based it on facts, look at the syllabus, and check the past year questions to decide what should the background of a lecturer be to teach P1.

Better still email the examiner, Dr. David Campbell to find what background must a lecturer have to teach P1. His email is d.j.campbell@ncl.ac.uk.

He encourages students to email him. In that way, you can get to know P1 better and not listen to people who make general statements.

Time to change mindset now

Its a case of the blind leading the blind. The abovementioned are not the examiner. Don't you think the examiner would know better what qualities should a lecturer have to teach P1. Why listen to street jokers? From what i heard, others are equally good, if not better. Remember, the pathway to hell is bigger and wider.

I encouraged you to email the examiner. What have you got to lose? On the contrary, you may gain something.

Don't be blinded by people who are not experts in these areas. Pls refer to page 120 to see my comments and ask your rational mind whether what i said is based on general statements or substantiated with facts.

Do the necessary....god bless

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Added on June 23, 2008, 1:04 amDear King_sToN,


Pls read my posting on page 120, post #2395. All the best. No harm emailing the examiner. He has mentioned that he encourages it. Who better to know if not the examiner. If you have time to write to this forum, i am sure you can also spent some of your precious time to write to the examiner.

Remember..its your future.

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Added on June 23, 2008, 1:10 amHowever, can't deny also he promotes too much of himself......self-praise is an international....disgrace!

Also other lecturers provide past-year papers...he asks us to buy or download on our own...money conscious. The form that we use to sign up says that lecturer will provide PYQs.

Also F4 revision program notes also have him promoting himself for P1. Ethical?

This post has been edited by Jackson_Miller: Jun 23 2008, 01:10 AM

Pls do not use the word "CRAZY". You must practice good netiquette. I think it is you who have a problem with your language.

Everybody has a right to his/her opinion. I am not wasting other people's time. I believe my viewpoints are done in good faith. All students should have a true and fair view when discussing their future.

You should be reported because your conduct is rather derogatory.

Hope others can also support me.

We all read articles from Student Accountant magazine written by examiners, we also read examiner's comments; therefore it is better to ask the examiner via email than to hear your skewed viewpoints. I hope you can also learn to improve your English here.

God bless

That's true.. few options available. Normally, people who praises too much of himself is suffering from inferiority complex.

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Added on June 23, 2008, 4:28 pmAs i have mentioned b4, the examiner has encouraged us to email him. Why listen to unauthoritative sources like you?

Nobody is forcing anybody anything.

This, despite all the political turmoil going on, is still a free country. Everybody is entitiled to voice their opinion. But is must be done with proper netiquette. Once again, i reiterate, you are not giving students a true and fair view.

Philip Woo's students will vouch that, for example, for his revision program, he will give you:

1. photocopies of examiner report (LOOK, even he also uses examiner report...therefore all the more reason to email examiner to find out the background of a typcial P1 lecturer.)

2. photocopy of syllabus

3. photocopy of articles from student accountant magazine (AGAIN. from the work of examiner. Then why not get direct from the horse's mouth)

4. photocopy of questions and answers from BPP books etc.

The point i am trying to raise is you get nothing original from the lecturer. Everything is photocopy. Pliagiarism. So un21st century.

PLEASE ask students who have attended his class..and if the student is honest, you will get the reply which i have all the while being try to make.

This post has been edited by Jackson_Miller: Jun 23 2008, 04:28 PM

Not lazy, just that i have been giving view points based on facts while you have been rather emotional. Pls grow up.

Now, trying to play the racist game. This site is independent of race, caste or creed or colour.

Only little minds will start this racist slant.

Now he is calling me sick. Before that was CRAZY and CRAZY MAN. Who actually is sick?

He talks as though he represents the majority. Have the majority made the decision to accept this person who calls another as sick, crazy and crazy man to be your spokesperson?

What i point out are facts. Check my facts with your friends and tell me whether i am correct or not.

Fact 1 - Philip Woo's notes are mainly photocopied notes. No originality - pliagiarism - is an academic misconduct.

Fact 2 - P1 is NOT an audit paper - check my post # 2395 on page 120 for justifications

Fact 3 - the examiner is more authoritative than this vulgar person who calls people with names like SICK, CRAZY etc.

Fact 4 - he is definitely bias..check his earlier postings and you can see his skewed mind.

I would love to have others to give their opinions. Everybody knows that pliagiarism is an academic MISCONDUCT.

That cannot be rebuked by anybody. So if lecturer A or Philip Woo or anybody for the matter, then it is still a MISCONDUCT.

If you were to do your OBU and there was pliagiarism, would you pass your OBU? The answer is self-explanatory. So therefore, in my opinion, lecturers must set a good example. Its nothing personal, its just a fact.


I would also like to make a point that CG has management origins

Pls check the following reference from a CG scholar:

Yoshimori, M. (2005), ‘Does corporate governance matter? Why the corporate performance of Toyota and Canon is superior to GM and Xerox’, Corporate Governance, Vol. 13, No. 3, pp. 447-457.

I also believe that in an open forum, nobody should be calling other names and insults. Let it be run democratically.

If you do further research, than you will also realize that internal controls and risk are very much management issues.

Why must there be proper internal controls and risk management? The answer my friend (if you don't mind me using this phrase rather than the ones you have labelled me) is that ORGANIZATION'S goals, objecitves and strategies can be met.

So:
1. I have given referencing about CG to empahsise its management orientation.

2. What have you given me, apart from your insults?

I would want us to be in more amicable terms, like cyber friends. So please, don't throw insults. It reflects your lack of maturity. Lets be in good terms...all's well that ends well.

You have quite a good vocabulary: gila, crazy, stupid, carzy man etc. Poor chap.

As i have mentioned time and time again, it is just a matter of academic discussion, nothing personal.

Don't get too personal....you may just kick the bucket before your time is up.

Thank you...at least there is some rational people around. God bless

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Added on June 24, 2008, 10:15 pmEverybody in this forum is a 'lecturer'...some are 'blind' lecturers leading the 'blind'.

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Added on June 24, 2008, 10:19 pmIrrational...birds of a feather flock together

This post has been edited by Jackson_Miller: Jun 24 2008, 10:19 PM

Thank you..god bless you too.

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Added on June 24, 2008, 10:57 pmI am sure you will do well in your exams.. if need any advice, feel free.

This post has been edited by Jackson_Miller: Jun 24 2008, 10:57 PM

Actually, I have already graduated. I'm working in KPMG now. I used to study under Parmindar.

He has imparted good values to me, perhaps you should use the WORD too; it makes the world a better place. And yes, parmindar in a Dr., and i am a living legacy of his impact on my thoughts and attitudes.

There is only ONE Messiah and HE is coming on judgment day. Should try to get an earned Dr. title yourself?

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Added on June 25, 2008, 12:11 amRight

This post has been edited by Jackson_Miller: Jun 25 2008, 12:11 AM

Ha ha..., friend, nice to meet you here. God bless you too and all the people in this forum, including carlosandy

BTW, our friend is also single...he needs to find a gal too.

I figured as much. All the best in pursuing your studies. I still prefer Ronaldo.

Not all acountants think that money is everything in life. There are a few ACCA grads who have become workers of God.

Focus more on external events such as the credit crunch crisis, Maltheus theory etc. to see the bigger picture.

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