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heroes99
post Dec 8 2007, 10:06 AM

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I think the time bomb Has explodeD !!

This is a simple conman job here ...

Operation

Post few cheap bulk sales and people will start bank in money

Then to build up confidence he buy from retail shop and do delivery

Then more people start to bank in money , he then use this funds for maybe gambling , investment or whatever

So probably he lost heavily in gambling but no problem a lot people still funding his habits

When the mod step in to stop this new orders , he is stuck with no funds ...and he went to buy maybe few units from the retail shops to settle some AD HOC delivery and hope that people will start funding him again

and now ...the bomb as explode ..look at the huge amount of cash ...and sadly I believe he has lost most of them...

I believe a police report should be made if strongbaby do not issue any statement here ...don't wait too long

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post Dec 8 2007, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(shikuzika @ Dec 8 2007, 11:28 AM)
OMG!..you are so right!!  doh.gif

That story would go so well...in a Hollywood Movie! Plz don't jump to conclusions until you have some solid evidence. Lets at least keep this thread on the logical side shall we?
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if against this kind of report , he still don't reply ..then we know something is really wrong here and the truth cannot be far away

Many times big fraud such as this can be prevented but sadly most of the time people choose to hope things are still alright although it is quite clear what is happening in this case

Don't wait and act later , the amount is too huge for strongbaby to settle and he might just choose to disappear ..

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post Dec 9 2007, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(strongbaby @ Dec 8 2007, 11:10 PM)
Reply post no.4

Kindly Refer to post no.4.

thank you



Added on December 8, 2007, 11:16 pm

oh hi heroes,

and yes, kindly continue to speculate as much as you like.

its often to see you appear in my almost sales thread long time ago with such remarks.

well you can lodge a report against me too if u want anything, but i will also get someone to issue you
a lawyer letter too.
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alright finally you have appear to respond and my task is complete

Now please clean your mess here and don't blame everything on the so "called" main guy ( I wonder he really exist ) and refund those hard earn cash to members here -

cash all bank into your account ...and you have to deliver ...who cares where you got your stock from ....if you cannot deliver then just refund ....don't blame here and there ...you can tell your long story , blah . blah ..but at the end just do one thing deliver or refund

and nice excuse there , " giving the main guy grace period " ....so another few months for you I guess , you should refund NOW with whatever money you have and not just keep on dragging



Thank you very much , ranger , for starting this thread or else I think we will be keep in dark

forever ...

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post Dec 9 2007, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(zx12 @ Dec 9 2007, 09:52 AM)
LOL..ur task?..Oh ic, you're a hero!

Before making anymore accusations based on hear-say and (sometimes crazy) theories, could someone please come up with more evidence? For instance, check out that police report he posted up. If you're losing thousands in the deal, I'm sure RM10 is not too much to help clarify matters right?

I also have 2 pending orders that I'm waiting for but I'm not jumping to conclusions. I've dealt with him several times before over the past year or so and he has delivered every time. He was even on time for a few of them. That is why I decided to deal with him again since I'm sure most people would agree that he offers the lowest prices albeit being rather slow. Maybe this time he has bitten off more than he can chew.

So whatever it is, I do hope it gets sorted out fast as the last 2 orders I made was on behalf of my sister and my friend.
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these accusations that manage to bring strongbaby to respond , if such post were not there . you think he will bother to respond at all ,

he has been keeping quite , though so many has complain of stocks not deliver

he don't even bother to say anything....is that a right attitude ?

been on time for few times with you does not grant him the power to take those hard earn cash and don't bother to inform and keep eveyone in the dark

he only start to reposnd after all accusations is up ...

I am glad I posted those post and this will be my final post as my only intention is to get strongbay to respond

Good luck to all the refunds , and strongbaby for god sake , please keep your promise on the refunds

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post Dec 13 2007, 08:42 PM

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reading all this bull shit really made me broke my own promise of not posting

Strongbaby has problem with supplier ?? you mean he get all kind bulk stock from one supplier ?? motherboard , lcd , memory card ,graphic card . ndsl . psp and etc ?? or everyone of them have problem at the SAME time ?? ...come on...what kind of bull story this is

Do not bother to update the refund list at all ?? even after repeatedly request by redranger..that show how sincere is he ...and what he think of all this mess he created

Reply with arrogant remark saying that he is not a ATM machine and do not print money ???

What kind of answer is this ..you took all the money and said this in your reply when people ask for refunds ??

You mean you just can put all the blame on these supplier ( if they really exist ) and tell those poor buyers .."hi I am sorry , I cant do anything , I already pass them the money ??? " you want your money back ... just shut up and wait ....????

seller with this kind of attitude still regard good by some members ..OMG ....????

Come on strongbaby be a man ...at least update the refund list with some kind of dates and start refunding .....

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If later this case need to be report to police , it is best to be lodge at commercial crime and anti cyber crime in Bukit Aman as advise by my friend since the amount is already almost 50k and growing daily ...could reach more hundred of thousands here

Then they will check how the business is run , where is the goods coming from , and those party involve and to see whether there is any foul play

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post Dec 14 2007, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(zx12 @ Dec 14 2007, 12:45 AM)
Excuse me, are you also waiting for a refund? If you read the 1st post, it says "This thread is for buyers that are looking for refunds from Strongbaby AFTER waiting for MORE THAN 28 WORKING DAYS." Kapish?

So did you check out that police report? Do you have proof that he's lying other than your *excellent* theories? Do you know EXACTLY how his business works that you can say for certain that he gets all his stuff from different suppliers?

Or maybe you just want the fire to get bigger? Keep on provoking him until he decides to run? Then that would be great for all of us wouldn't it? Then you can boast that your theories were right all along.

Yeah, I'm waiting for him to update us too, but I just received an email acknowledging my refund request. Thats an update to me and the fact the other forumers have received an email from sales@abizon.net tells me that he is actually trying to collect the money.
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Good that he has acknowledge the refund request , do he tell you when he going to refund to you ? anyone else receive anything ?

It is very difficult for him to just post here and update the status ?

When you already got people into trouble with all those cash , the least you can do it keep people here updated on what is happening , rather just don't bother and reply with arrogant remarks ...

In fact I don't have know about the way business run , let the commercial crime unit do that ....I am going over to the Bukit Aman on Monday if this strongbaby still do not response here by then

I will lodge a report about this and let police do the job , maybe it will be also help to clear strongbaby name of any foul play ..maybe then we all will know what is really happening


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post Dec 14 2007, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 14 2007, 03:00 PM)
He's offline after online a while.

I just hope that he didn't online to see whether some drastic measure
is taken on Strongbaby.

I believer some of our forumers is right. If we follow heroes99 way and
report police (which is drastic), strongbaby will be able to read it here.
And he might do something drastic like what other forumer suggest.

But what is a better way:
a)      Do something drastic
b)      Wait until the matter die down
c)      Wait until SB refund which might take a very very long time
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Just to let him know that there is an option going if he choose to ignore ..he has respond with one refund although he must ensure to follow the list set by redranger

That should be a good start ...as once he start to refund one , the rest will come ..just give him some time to work this out ..and I really hope he will post the dates on the refunds ...communicate more here and ensure everyone you are working on this refunds



for those who disagree with me no problem though wish some of you could be more in your reply smile.gif

I still believe adding some pressure will get things moving and remind him to keep working on those refunds ..

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post Dec 15 2007, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(spikeee @ Dec 15 2007, 12:32 AM)
apologies! my bad! that was my sister who banked in RM400 to me :S

sorry sorry, cause we couldn't wait and had to buy another NDSL so i asked her to bank in to me first..
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my bad!
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what ??????????????


Added on December 15, 2007, 1:50 am
QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Dec 14 2007, 11:05 PM)
i wish i could do the same...but my money reserved for a new processor,gc and mobo were all sent to strongbaby..so i can't get anything now..saved up the cash for about 2 years..2 years!!!strongbaby if you're reading this...i hope u realise what you've put me through..and all the other buyers for that matter..some buyers may be financially 'blessed' so it isn't such a big deal to them as they can get more money easily whether its from their parents or from a stable job..but for others..its absolute agony to see their hard earned cash disappear into thin air,and they're powerless to do anything about it..the least u could do is update us on this thread,or tell us what measures you're taking to deliver the goods or look for resources to refund the other buyers...everyone has problems..even bigger problems than yours..but the effort they put in to rectify the situation is what makes the difference..your constant ignoring of customers only makes the situation worse and its not something i have to tell u..u already know this.so do something...for God's sake...DO SOMETHING
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Fully understand ...and feel sad and angry at the same time .... mad.gif

Earlier I thought he has refund someone but it is just a misunderstanding ...

So he still refuse to post updates and keep ignoring this thread ..

For those who still want to defend such heartless and arrogant person , please spare a moment for members like above
, maybe to some rich members this money is small amount but there are people who save a long time for their dream item....and now see their hope vanish , understand their pain ....



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post Dec 15 2007, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(SyaFiQ92 @ Dec 15 2007, 09:36 PM)
Are u Mior Alang Iskandar?

i thought before this u con people selling your PSP and UMD games right?
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?????? Mior Alang Iskandar ...??? I am Chinese by the way
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post Dec 17 2007, 07:03 AM

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QUOTE(whatcanisay @ Dec 16 2007, 06:23 PM)
total RM63,719 and counting.. i recon the end figures will exceed RM120k..

it is absolutely amazing how (Strongbaby|Female) able to annexed such a huge sum of money.. this case also proved that a female screen name + a female gender registration will lower the guard of the potential depositors..

as for the name Strongbaby, psychologycally, when a person is is struggling and fighting, he or she will subconciously chose a (screen) name that he or she needs to live up to.. like.. i need to be strong.. i need to overcome .. .. ..

Strongbaby collected hundred of thousand and redeposited it into a freelancer account with no business registration and sales office and meeting up on random location to receive the goods? it is either he is completely insane or he telling a stupids lies, i choose the later..

so is this a well thought out plan to lure depositers? a well thought out plan will have phantom name, IC, bank account, address and most important no personal touch, i.e. no meeting up..

i recon Strongbaby is in business and his business is in financial trouble so he would like to borrow some from LYNers.. how you may ask.. easy.. bulks varies goods and collect deposit and 'take them' in a manner say.. RM10k as a block, when third/fourth block is collected then go buy goods at a slight losses to 'supply' the first block depositors.. a good plan, better than paying loan shark interest and probably better than personal loan interest..

then business must be getting from bad to worse.. (it explained how and why sometimes his PM|SMS|Call can be so rude and arrogant).. he could no longer supply the earlier block and the whole things burst.. his life is now in deep shit.. financial trouble + having a whole bunch of LYNers very angry with him..

bad news: most of the depositors money are probably vanished by now

bad news: there is nothing much that a depositor can do.. the law is on your side only to persue legal action to demand refund from Strongbaby, he is breaking a civil sales contract, don't expect the police, the army, the marine and the bank officer | manager to help you..

imagine this.. you go to the neighbourhood computer shop to buy a HDD and the staff tell you no stock and the staff require you to make full upfront payment for them to order for you and you foolishly paid them.. and.. after repeated visit to the said computer shop and they fail to supply you with the HDD.. what do you do? you ask for a refund, and if after repeated request and demand you still fail to get your refund what do you do? lodge a police report? no no no.. this has nothing to do with the police.. you go to the bank in an attemps to freeze their account? no no no.. the bank manager will not entertain you.. in such a case you go to the consumer tribunal court to demand a refund..

DO NOT use your Hand and your Leg to convince Strongbaby for a immediate refund, you can be arrested immediately by the police and put into a jail for taking such action..

bad news: the individual amount is small, so no  pleasure of putting him into bankruptcy to vent your anger, there is really nothing much that you can do..

bad news: your only chance is to prove to the police|court that Strongbaby is a con artist and that he should be put in jail, you can forget about going after his bank account because if he still has any money left it would have been transfered out already..

anyway congrat Strongbaby, you are absolutely brilliant..
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Yes ...agree with most of your points here

Normal Police station will not able or bother to do anything

Report must be lodge at Commercial Crime and anti Cyber Crime in Bukit Aman , this report is not to accuse strongbaby of anything

This report will provide us how is the business is setup and run , who are the main supplier and agent involved ,
, whether there is foul play involve and THE MOST IMPORTANT of all is whether strongbaby is telling the truth .

If he is telling the truth then scenario will be very different ...we could pool resources together to help him workout a plan , ..I have a lot contacts in banking area and might able to help him on this ..and I am sure there are other members can help out in many other ways

However if he has been prove to be a liar after investigation ..then ....

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post Dec 17 2007, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Balmung @ Dec 17 2007, 07:26 AM)
Is it just me, or the writing style of heroes99 and whatcanisay looks suspiciously similar?
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You can report this to the mod and let them check it out ...no problem

@whatcanisay

Dont worry about the flaming you receive here , I have been called "troublemaker" , "hadap for promotion tag " and many other things

Don't draw into argument with them , remember they are frustrated at the moment by all this , just understand their feeling

me involved ? nope , as I have doubt over this since the day one but sadly few of my friends were caught into this ...for one this has been a constant argument with his wife and another who has save a long time for his son birthday

i determine to get to the bottom of this and will make strongbaby pay if he is really lying on this matter

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post Dec 17 2007, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(tsd @ Dec 17 2007, 07:31 AM)
heroes99, since you are so concerned... why not you spend RM10 to get a copy of the police report ? from that report, I am sure you can come out with juicier story.
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yes ..I read that someone is going , if not I wll go there today ..is it the Police Station in CHeras , 4th mile near Jusco Maluri ??

I will post the report here today once I get the report ...

Can someone just sms me the location as I will no be online after this ....


I think I will take a cab there as I am not really familiar with Cheras

my number is 014 3338766


Added on December 17, 2007, 8:34 am
QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 17 2007, 08:29 AM)
@heroes99... What makes u think reporting to Commercial Crime and anti Cyber Crime in Bukit Aman will help us..? They directly so investgate and gve us answer within a week or 2..? How efficient ar these parties..? Do they seriously look into this matter or just accept your report and leave there till it rots?

U wan to know how the setup of the business is running same as the other bulks, Supplier receive money from SB, Item sent to SB, SB send item to us.. But now turns out to be wrong. and i see SB has no fault in this for his business, he did sent my GC and he is responsible, but when your supplier runs, what can u do.. U tell me.. the only way is to find the supplier right..

Why not u go follow SB go catch the supplier rather then wasting ur typing in here.. U catch oredy can get the refunds la..
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by reporting , and I am confident they will act as the officer there is close friend of my father

I hope I can get a real picture whether strongbaby is telling the truth or not , since he does not want to post here at all...if he is genuine , then this a difficult time for him and need all the help he can get ...I will use my contacts in the bank to help secure some personal loans and at least refund some amount out and work out the monthly refunding plan ..it might be very small monthly but if he is genuine then a lot consideration should be given

Everyone goes through a tough time in his life , the most important thing is been honest and sincere

meanwhile we can pool our resources together to track the supplier once strongbaby provide us with the details

but if he is lying ...I will make sure he pay for this and really pay for it

ok..is the group to see strongbaby been form already ..I can go anytime ..

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post Dec 17 2007, 03:43 PM

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So where is the place to get the report ? ..so far only received calls but it is on suggestion on how to solve the problem ..

Anyone know where it is ? It is already 4pm now .because of the jam as I live in PJ ...i think can only go at night ...plus I have to take a cab ..so let me know the location ...my number is 014 3338766

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QUOTE(vex @ Dec 17 2007, 03:49 PM)
crap, really no ppl told u how to get der ?
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just came back and no sms yet about the location ...if anyone know let me know , I will be offline now ...
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QUOTE(RangerRed @ Dec 17 2007, 04:06 PM)
Was referring to gogo2 tongue.gif

For of u heroes hp is 014 3338766
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ok thanks ..gogo2 ...so the report number is 08407

I will go tonight after the traffic ...do anyone have scanner ? maybe I will get it scan in a shop ...should able to post this up by tomorrow b4 lunch
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post Dec 17 2007, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Dec 17 2007, 04:20 PM)
Dammit lar.
Take STAR LRT and ask the guard there. I'm not sure what station is it to stop but It's Ampang line. You can see jusco from the station.
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I roughly know where Jusco is , so should able to find the police station tonight

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post Dec 17 2007, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(RangerRed @ Dec 17 2007, 04:25 PM)
If there is a report... we need to verify that the person in the report is a real person not just a fake name used a smoke screen incase a situation like this came up.
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will try to get more information once I am there ...will update here ....


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post Dec 17 2007, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 17 2007, 04:26 PM)
Station Maluri.

Or any buyer can call the number below and ask about the report:

Alamat :  IPD Cheras
Ibupejabat Polis Daerah Cheras
56100 Kuala Lumpur.
Telefon :  03-92842222
Faks :  03-92879479

I'm in Penang. Calling to KL is quite expensive for me.
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Just call the 92842222 and spoke to a person name Aikal ( Extension 235) , not sure about the spelling ...give him the report number but he ask for a date which I am not sure but he ask me to call back later whether the report is there ....

Need to log off now ..will update more on this

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I see strongbaby is refunding that is very good news ..at last ...

Some updates on the police report

This really time wasting , according to the officer , we are not allow to get the report unless strongbaby himself or he gave us a authorizes letter ????? and he don't even bother to check whether the report is there or not ??? He said it take along time to search for a report especially without dates ...." how come this report is not online ???"

I will call this aikal guy again tomorrow as he promise to find out for me about the report but when I arrive there he already off duty ......will go there again tomorrow , to see whether i can get anything ...

But with strongbaby starting the refund , this I guess is secondary matter now ...can strongbaby just post up the report or how do get authorize letter from him ..and for the info it cost only RM2 for the report

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QUOTE(klmc @ Dec 17 2007, 11:20 PM)
Good job heroes99, your work and interest seems a bit under appreciated here. I suspect that it's a bit due to your efforts that it so happened that refunds started today. So, thank you.

I hope this refund is an ongoing thing and not something just to shut up the people thats most vocal about getting their money back eg;rangerred.
Refunds should go according to the list here rather than willy nilly as and when SB likes... and to who and whom he chooses...

> SB , please don't ruin the rest of your rep by pissing off everyone. You still have a lot of supporters out there, and if u come out of this well, you might still have a viable business. Everyone who has met you sing your praises so don't spoil your repo unecessarilly..
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Glad to help out and will continue to do ....

Will be going to get the police station again today to see whether I can get the report out ..

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