Greetings fellow LYN WoW players. As we all know, ever since the emergence of Arena system and the promotion of professional WoW PVP to further realize WoW as an official e-sport game, the skill cap, and gear cap gap between a hardcore PVP'er against a casual or totally noob PVP'er widens. As a reminder of such, people that think they are acing BG's and/or world PVP in whatever form, please stop thinking your good unless you got a strong arena team with decent or good ratings to back you up.

Enough with the intro and yappings, and off to the picture postings!

First pic we have here, is me solo PUGing, acing a top KB spot, and top DMG done spot, with a 5 cap AB victory to rub it in. and all this, done under 600-650 MS latency.


Second pic, is me solo PUGing, scoring a 5 cap, while not top kb/dmg dealer, i didnt have a single death with 5 KB defending the BS commanding the horde (and thankfully they listen) until the 5th cap is landed.


3rd pic, is alliance being properly schooled on AV getting 0 honor after 33minutes of gameplay, and me having only a single death cuz im stingy and didnt potted. also done solo PUG


4th pic, is alliance only gaining 20 honor in AV after 24minutes of gameplay. and me top 3 KB with almost 600 ms latency. also done solo PUG.


5th pic, alliance gaining yet again, 0 honor, after playing AV for 19 minutes. also done solo PUG


6th pic, also another AV, nothing special, just me on top KB, also done solo PUGing


7th pic, Not a solo BG, its being done with me, our mage, resto shaman, and a guest pickup by also a fellow LYN forumer Reis which is also an ex-DI (in game character name - Jindo)
Its a pity that we couldnt cap the 4th node with all 15 alliance turtling, and the 25 min long fight is due to about 5-6 horde being douchebags trying to cap flag in the middle like the noob they are.
But at least its satisfying to have top KB and dmg done, where our healer misko topping healing by far.
What makes it all so better? take a look at my 4 digit latency meter.


8th pic, Solo PUGing wsg on one fine day, top KB and top dmg done.


9th pic, Me and our feral druid Tocsitup pugging WSG, having a complete rapage of 20 KB 0 death and top dmg done, and 0 death. What makes this all the more interesting? its my almost 800 ms latency.


Last pic, 10th, is me solo PUGing wsg, and having fun masacreing noobs on the graveyard/midfield along with people that shares the same passion 0death too.


The pics werent too clear due to the huge downscale because i run max native resolution of 1680x1050, if there are demands for full crystal clear 100% max detail with maximum multisampling full resolution pictures, i will upload them.

To sum all this up, yes, world pvp and bgs dont require much skill. If i were to bring a full crew of my arena team into those BG, thats it, the very world of those nooblets would come to an end. And where the hell is that AV allstar guy tristan-x (spelling?) when we need him? gawd.

why....no. but thanks for the comments anyways (lol if any).
unless MAYBE you're as cute as hafu... or omg cosplay star kipi!

and im still kinda hoping for the av star to make a rebutal if he ever could anyways. regardless it'll be some good reading content should he show up

i know right?

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Added on December 5, 2007, 12:39 amindeed it doesnt

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Added on December 5, 2007, 12:41 amnot my problem when people think its kewl to join BG with something stupid like 6k hp. i just go to them, press 1 button, and add 6k dmg and 1 kb to my chart.
and with the lack of resilience, me doing 800+ white crits from daggers helps a lot too in raking kb/dmg chart, and it REALLY doesnt take skill to autoatk

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 5 2007, 12:41 AM

and im not proving anything otherwise, its battleground, a majority of BG players ARE terribads. did you actually read the post? probably not.

well well, its clear that you havent been doing your homework. ill leave you to that, then we can talk.

beaten me to it

now that ur here, hoping for the allstar to show up like i am? lol

disappointment or not, at least he make posts, and we need posts. dont ya think?

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Added on December 5, 2007, 9:35 pmso... wanna read the first post anytime soon? cuz based on this post, you still havent got the whole idea well.

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Added on December 5, 2007, 9:38 pmthought we gonna make babies now? ive had a theory that male + male = EXTREME GAR MANLINESS.

because CLEARLY i blame the (which chromosome was it again?) for my lack of GARness.

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Added on December 5, 2007, 9:39 pmyou stab the air in front of the guy. funny i know, but thats what works for me. oh and pray to god hes running in a straight line cuz if hes zig-zagging, it'll be really difficult to do anything at all. but thankfull, ive got shiv cripples, and sprint, and kidneyshots. helps so much in lag, until a warrior comes in and spam his mace spec lolskillherald + improved hamstring spam. <-- obviously takes still pressing 1 button, wait, nvm 3 buttons, hamstring ms execute.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 5 2007, 09:39 PM

that was a rather sexy usage of magnetic poles.

the LYN forumer's ability to derail threads are amazing as ever

which av star ur refering to? as for britney, slutmusic once a while never gets old.

warriors in BGs are even more EZ mode compared to rogue especially if they got a healer cuz noob PUGs ALWAYS focus the warrior, feed him rage, and leave the healer alone to heal the warrior while the warrior, usually with constant full rage, wreaks everything to pieces.

and then those said noobs complains on how OP'ed warriors are at the graveyard. seriously annoying.

its usually BOF/BOM bot cuz people tend to think that paladins are gods and cant be killed or something along that line. lol

shamans on the other hand can be zerged down because apparently without divine shield you can kill it, but people tend to forget with ES, mail + shield, lolnsheal, and grounding totems, its just as hard.


BUT HEY, JUST GET ALL 4 KINDS OF HEALERS AND 1 WARRIOR AND YOU WIN. (potential 5v5 setup lolers.)

well at least i have to give you credit for attempting to read. and at least you got the majority of my post correct. but here are some corrections:

- i have not mentioned any specific ammount of ratings to back said players, only good, or decent.
- and yes, i am indeed claiming that arenas are the be all end all of WoW PVP, and i really find no need to show screenshots of my team 3 capping WSG (dur, im alread 0 alli 3 horde capping wsg in my screenies already lawl) in under 5-7 minutes. as -
*theres barely any enemy WSG premades running
*unless the said premades are also running full 10 man with full S2/S3 pvp gears, they are still gonna lose.
*hell, ive fought full 10 man premades solo pugging, but since they suck ass on gear and co-ordination, they ended up being graveyard farmed by PUGs and yours truly, myself.
- and actually, tristan-x is just icing on cake. im more sickened by how many noobs actually taking pride in their accomplishments in world pvp/BG. mind you, at least im flexing epeen with my armory profile, gear, and this time my screenshots. the guy your mentioning only does it with mere text-words on an internet forum. so all in all, imo, at least i have credibility, he doesnt, and based on that, i have to disagree being the same sheep as him in wolf's clothing.



And just the FYI, yeah i have world pvp'ed 40v40 back in the old days of ubrs, world pvp'ed people's BG q'ing spots back when theres no battlemasters where people can hide in the comfort of their own city, world pvped full 10 man karazhan raids with just a few people and even world pvp'ed 15-20ish man SSC/TK raids with just 4-5 people.

and yeah, i have played full 10vs10 premades, way back in the old school days of level 60 high warlord grinding to this very day full 10 man arena geared people rolling premades thats poorly geared becaused ive never encountered full 10man arena geared premades, could be my luck, but thats just what it is.

and FRANKLY, ITS THE SAME CRAP. JUST A MATTER OF SCALING IN TERMS OF GEAR QUALITY, TEAM SIZE AND/OR RAID SIZE.
its STILL BG or world pvp. and it is STILL non-factor PVP. and you're not doing anything AT ALL to prove me otherwise. and if you're still gonna try, at least reinforce your credibility. and if you're really reading my post, you'll know how to do it, so get going.

i was mutilate for like... since pre bc 41 talent points. and prior to that im basically variations of dagger specs but usually running with SF vigor with nightslayer 120 energy. the only exception to that is when i just got my HWL and was basically speccing every possible build since i got access to every type of weapons.

needless to say im a dagger whore and staying true to the "rogues do et from behind" style

but now, considering i play to win, and AR prep is THE bandwagon spec, i joined along and thus im now, AR prep for season3. and yes, its seriously overpowered. even before patch went live, im already thoroughly testing it on PTR and i just cant find mutilate being ANYWHERE close to AR prep until i ran out on ALL COOLDOWNS completely, and with prep in hand, its really hard to blow everything and still not win (or lose) a match in arenas.

as for ur QQ though, imho the main prob of dagger spec isnt really hitting people from behind its getting into range of people.
only exeption to that is UNLESS im:
1) fighting warriors that doesnt suck
2) fighting a combat/sub hemo rogues that got the opener on me and knows how to deadzone
3) my latency is over 1.5k

it could be because ive been dagger SO LONG (3years+ but unfortunately it ends on season3 joining the bandwagon) ive already got used to how to get behind targets instinctively.
examples would be mutilating people's faces or within their bodies.
even in pve, like heroic steamvaults for example, on last boss you remember those tanks right? yes they have an ass and can be mutilated too, you just have to find it. in fact, EVERYTHING in WoW has an ass for you to mutilate, just gotta find it is all
back pre-bc i have to admit is really REALLY hard to play dagger specs, but since post bc with rogues gaining shiv-cripples, things are SO MUCH easier with a guaranteed snare on your opponents.

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Added on December 7, 2007, 2:08 amsorry no, need the cash badly

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Added on December 7, 2007, 2:09 amsecond that, and FOR F'S SAKE L2RESIZE PICS ALREADY GAWD

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Added on December 7, 2007, 2:13 amgood arena videos are the best vids. the lolbigdmgbg crit shots got old.

its all about those amazing co-ordinations and finease plays of good arena players that make good videos. (though its hard to make good 5v5 vids as they a huge clusterf's. example: world number 1 team vs the number2 team, BOP NOW vs capslockcrew featured in azazel's video )

some recommendations are neilyo's video

his 2v2/3v3's are amazing, especially neilyo6 with him + gumbot vs xecks and secretive. just plain amazing. also matches against nitrana/knitt/ecilam (VERY DAMN GOOD 3v3's they are team pandemic btw, who recently won the 3v3 tournament at sweden for USD 45000) on neilyo 9 IINM

be on the look out for mage/rogue arena videos, they are more entertaining and you can actually see "skills/finease" being applied. healing priests too btw, good healing priests makes VERY interesting and entertaining arena videos.

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oops forgot, yes im actually making a video, but its halted atm, ran outta HDD space ><

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 7 2007, 02:14 AM

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same flight speed as the gladiator's armored drakes. so... not so much.

not to mention all you can do is fly around, moment you land on contested area is the moment you bend over lolz.

im one season above you in weapons and im currently bandwagon spec. think that says enough. unless you can somehow blink/get immune, anyone dies from geared AR prep rogues like nothin.

900++ hemo crits and 300++ rupture/tick on 350ish resil warriors. with adrenaline rush, with prep. lol.

lol if you bring other people you DO realize i have an arena team and healers with close to/at resilience cap with 10-11k unbuffed hp right? and if i DO roll with my healers or my crew you'll be cc'ed to all hell so you can pretty much forget about the "truck" part you do remember and realize that right?

lets just keep it 1v1, much simpler, and straightforward.
after all, warrior > rogues on the RPS factor. but thankfully blizz decided to change that with a good lil patch 2.3 buff.

aesthetics(sp?) doesnt win fights, numbers on your character sheet do.

if the phoenix can breathe fire and claw people's eyeballs out, i would whole heartedly agree and id pay top gold to get into raiding guilds just to get one.

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Added on December 7, 2007, 12:28 pmseconded that.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 7 2007, 12:28 PM

no im not, ive seen ur armory countless of times and your arena teams and i have full confidence to defeat you/them. ur gear is in majority 1 season behind me and the majority of my team. same goes for ur team. and even for your team, your win ratios are all around 60% only. yes, you have pve raids, guild managing yada yada, but the thing with arenas is that, you ONLY REALLY NEED TO PLAY JUST 10 GAMES. its not the quantity of arenas you play but more so the quality aka - winning games instead of losing them.

to summarize again:
- no im not assuming your running with a nub team with pve gear
- yes ur still gonna bend over
- and again, this thread is pointing out how skillless rolling bgs are, and you sir, are asking me to check out the people you roll with during weekend bgs? bad move there.

and sorry to hear about your friend btw.
and lastly, SPOILER YOUR PICS IF UR LAZY TO RESIZE IT GAWD.

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Added on December 7, 2007, 2:03 pmthats a rather stupid question unless your into that S&M bondage thingy

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 7 2007, 02:04 PM

weapons are the clear definitive measurements for melees, which does set you behind considerably.

and unless ur gonna be replacing ur teammates soon with supposedly "non-normal-peoples", sorry to say that you wont go far. 360 resil enh shaman, (its not really the resil part, just more of him being enh.) 360 resil disc priest with only 11k buffed health and 1.3k healing as a disc priest (better off being holy until he can get around 1.4k heals or at least more resil to not need blessed resilience), mutilate rogue being 330 resil, with a wierd talent build, that in most top muti rogue's perspective including mine, it sucks horribly, and also no weapon chain on offhand (perhaps pve dagger, who knows), resto shaman thats 294 resil without grounding totem talent??!!?

the rest with under 100 resil i wont even bother mentioning them, but who knows if they are in pve.

so judging from this, and what you claim, you are actually better off 1v1'ing me, especially when warriors > rogues in general by default. so in the end it may not be just problem on your end, but perhaps problems in your teammates, and in arenas/team play, it goes both ways. and bringing them in is just making things worse lol.

but at least you got one thing right, i only care about results, and everything else is irrelevant to me. same goes for you too for arenas, as they are really really enjoying

p/s: the spoiler button. between B/I/U and YOUTUBE buttons.