well at least i have to give you credit for attempting to read. and at least you got the majority of my post correct. but here are some corrections:

- i have not mentioned any specific ammount of ratings to back said players, only good, or decent.
- and yes, i am indeed claiming that arenas are the be all end all of WoW PVP, and i really find no need to show screenshots of my team 3 capping WSG (dur, im alread 0 alli 3 horde capping wsg in my screenies already lawl) in under 5-7 minutes. as -
  *theres barely any enemy WSG premades running
  *unless the said premades are also running full 10 man with full S2/S3 pvp gears, they are still gonna lose.
  *hell, ive fought full 10 man premades solo pugging, but since they suck ass on gear and co-ordination, they ended up being graveyard farmed by PUGs and yours truly, myself.
- and actually, tristan-x is just icing on cake. im more sickened by how many noobs actually taking pride in their accomplishments in world pvp/BG. mind you, at least im flexing epeen with my armory profile, gear, and this time my screenshots. the guy your mentioning only does it with mere text-words on an internet forum. so all in all, imo, at least i have credibility, he doesnt, and based on that, i have to disagree being the same sheep as him in wolf's clothing.
And just the FYI, yeah i have world pvp'ed 40v40 back in the old days of ubrs, world pvp'ed people's BG q'ing spots back when theres no battlemasters where people can hide in the comfort of their own city, world pvped full 10 man karazhan raids with just a few people and even world pvp'ed 15-20ish man SSC/TK raids with just 4-5 people.

and yeah, i have played full 10vs10 premades, way back in the old school days of level 60 high warlord grinding to this very day full 10 man arena geared people rolling premades thats poorly geared becaused ive never encountered full 10man arena geared premades, could be my luck, but thats just what it is.

and FRANKLY, ITS THE SAME CRAP. JUST A MATTER OF SCALING IN TERMS OF GEAR QUALITY, TEAM SIZE AND/OR RAID SIZE.
its STILL BG or world pvp. and it is STILL non-factor PVP. and you're not doing anything AT ALL to prove me otherwise. and if you're still gonna try, at least reinforce your credibility. and if you're really reading my post, you'll know how to do it, so get going.

and ive pointed out in my first post, and along this thread mainly in replying to you, that arena system definitely isnt included. For someone who seems to get off on telling people to read their posts, you don't seem to be doing a lot of reading yourself. See where im getting now?

and no, arenas and all other pvp in this game arent just seperated by a need of different skillsets/disciplines. just the fact that many people if not almost everyone can ace other form of pvp EASILY while not every person get good ratings in arenas is a proven fact. if its just simple skillsets and disciplines then theoretically it shouldnt be world's apart. true, being good at arenas may or may not make you a superior pvper, but being good in bgs or ganking people clearly does NOT make you a good pvper. anyone can do it, simple as that.

and how did i validate what it takes to win in an arena? 5's comes with a 10 man roster, obviously is for you to ultilize it, and by ultilizing it you reduces if not COMPLETELY eliminates the RPS factor. as i said and will say again, 2's and 3's are plague by RPS and even with rotating people you still wouldnt eliminate RPS at all. 5's you can do it due to the larger roster and game play format. and the game is in general balanced around group pvp, not solo/small scale pvp. so unless ur having some serious misunderstanding or lacking reading skills (as proven before anyways) you arent getting anywhere with statements without facts to back yourself up. hell, i can GUARANTEE you, you WONT win by just swapping people if your gonan suck anyways, the advantage of class swapping in 5's is not as significant as say 2's or 3's due to, as i said earlier and will saying again - RPS factor in 5's is very minimal and thus class does not play a critical role. OBVIOUSLY you'd still have to run at least a healer or double healer setup.

And HOW am i making the arena system come off looking bad? imo im rather promoting it even more. probably cuz you cant do good at it thus your making such absurd statements. and hey, since your mentioning about highest level of arena competition (something you're prolly not familiar with and prolly wont ever will), have you EVER seen people stack classes in 5's and got over 2.5k ratings? AFAIK no. even if there is its just that very RARE team running some wierd setup prolly for shitz n gigglez or they just cant find another class to prevent class stacking. main reason for that is that in a larget scale group pvp setup, you'd want to ultilize a variety of ultilizations as you can get, examples would be: mage offering food/water, sheep cc, frost cc etc. rogue offering control through stuns and minor cc through sap/crippling/blind. warrior, thats basically a rogue, does not offer any of those but they offer more consistant dps. and the list goes on. and its up to you to build your own composition based on what you like best/more comfortable with.

again, armory profile? PTR copy? dance? still dodging?

why would you ask this question when the answer is already on my first page? still lacking those reading skills?

and do you realize that arena was only opened around a month'ish+ after TBC released? so you're gonna make a point by bringing in BG9 WSG league during the period that arenas doesnt even exist yet? are you THAT stupid? and if they are still running those funny WSG leagues even on this very day and refuse to arena or being as ignorant as you are, yes im gonna call em out terribads, but i doubt thats the case because its just you being ignorant.

and you wanna know why arena is better? heres a convenient linky from blizz's webby: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/arena/index.xml
HOPEFULLY, you got enough skills to read and comprehend that k?

to answer your question on group swapping, again, i do not deny that it brings advantage, but ive also mentioned that the advantage it brings is no matter what, is still minor compared to your group's gear/skill/ability to co-ordinate and having a good teamwork going on. and the only part that imo makes composition swapping nessesary is that we work differently with different composition. eg: if we run our standard setup we kill clothies etc as priority first. but if we swap in 2 priest for dual PI, mage + lock to benefit it (hell you've read my pvp thread, catch the last week's 5v5) we'll look into nuking paladins/warriors first. in the end if we still suck, we're not only gonna feed the warrior so much rage that he'll just steamroll us, his other members are pretty much left unguarded to rape our FOUR clothies.

since you're also dragging wsvg and dreamhack in. let me ask you this, what do you think about watching arena videos in 5v5 format, compared to videos in 3v3 format? and what is the main concern of those tournament organizers? if you've been REALLY following the tournaments, you'll know that the recent dreamhack is HEAVILY critisized in the allowance of class swapping and even worse, allowing stack classes to be ran in the tournament. so really, why are you making yourself looking so stupid?

to add in to your stupidity, but i have to give you credit in profiling me at least, is that you ran a profile on my guild, without realizing armory updates guild 1-2 days later (or even sometimes longer). so do you wanna armory again to check how many guild members i have right now compared to how many i have previously? and after that, check if there are any level 70 warriors left in my guild? and since you've read my pvp thread (well, why am i even mentioning this since your reading skills arent so bright), have you noticed any mentionings of 2v2/3v3's? AFAIK i dont remember highlighting any 2v2/3v3 progressions other than rating changes or minor happenings as to why they dropped so badly or risen drastically etc. and since you're checking my arena teams, do you see any games been played since last week? and when is the 3v3 played? really, you KNOW EVERYTHING about how myself, my team(s), and my guild functions and operates after looking at armory right? /giggle
just so you still havent get it, yes, my main focus and concern is still first and foremost, and unless blizz makes any drastic changes to 2v2/3v3, will forever be 5v5 arena brackets over 2v2/3v3.

you're not wrong on this statement except 2345 counters most 4 dps team, not just shadow 4 dps team in general. but you also realizes 4 dps teams counter the very standard 2345 dps teams thats consist of warrior + holy paladin + elem shaman + 2x in general? and since you mention that 2345 is to counter shadow 4 dps teams, and that 2345 is more favorable, stronger in general, what kinda setups you think my 5v5's will be facing more? really self biting comments there man. oh yea, check and see if i got any available level 70 warriors in my guild, grats on not even spending the effort to log into an alt and check up the people in my server about my guild/the warrior that you're actually refering to.

lastly, why dodging? does it have to be 1v1 duels on ptr copy? bring your team, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5, i welcome them. and wheres that amory profile? you think you still hold any form of credibility without any of those being brought out the table after im calling you out? think again.

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Added on December 8, 2007, 4:51 pm

read the first post and see if its anything special. and what thats been discussed mainly across this thread? yes, thats right, its about "those screenies" being nothing special.