Asus P5N-T Deluxe nForce 780i Motherboard Preview
http://www.hardwarexl.com/reviews/mainboar...rboard_preview/
Talk 780i motherboards
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 Nov 24 2007, 09:00 PM, updated 19y ago
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Nov 24 2007, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE I should warn everybody now that the PCIe 2.0 bridge is actually a PCIe 2.0 to PCIe 1.1 bridge. What does this mean? Well, it means your PCIe 2.0 card will basically be bottlenecked at PCIe 1.1 speeds when communicating to the CPU. False marketing from NVIDIA. Here's a simple diagram of their "bridge": . PCIe 1.1 upstream port to HOST ..........______|_____ .........|..................| .........|...."Bridge"....| .........|..................| .........|___________| .............| | | | . PCIe 2.0 downstream ports to PCIe slots. The only improvement that you may see with this is that communicating between other GPU's through the PCIe slot will be at 2.0 speeds (which is highly unlikely because NVIDIA uses their SLI bridge connector, not the slot). AMD has TRUE PCIe 2.0 so EVERYTHING will be happening at 2.0 speeds. source: http://www.techpowerup.com/?45238 |
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Nov 25 2007, 03:51 PM
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... Me 680i also havent try
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Nov 25 2007, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Nov 24 2007, 09:01 PM) Wow... nvidia also cheats in mobo chipset?? That's even more "creative" than hacking video drivers to win more FPS. What's wrong with them? |
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Nov 25 2007, 04:54 PM
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seems lik the stricker ex. better than this board le.. if the pcie 2.0 bridge is just a crap..tot of buying 1.. haih seh..
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Nov 25 2007, 05:29 PM
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ikan and empire23
where art thou explain plss the significance of nvidia workaround and ati boards.. ty |
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Nov 25 2007, 05:34 PM
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I'm still using Nforce 4, haven try Nforce 5 and 6. Now 780i...
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Nov 25 2007, 06:12 PM
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PCIE 2.0 card bottleneck at 1.1? How is the performance margin between using 1.1 and 2.0?
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Nov 25 2007, 08:55 PM
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Elite
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ikan.. empire .. questions .. need to ask questions...
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Nov 25 2007, 08:58 PM
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according to those discussion .. i would think that 780i is an updated 680i with extra pcie 2.0 bridge thrown in
the use of pcie 2.0 bridge is meant to increase intergpu communications and at the same time, it does not need to go through the northbridge.. while pcie 1.1 from 780i is sufficient to broadcast graphics data/command to those vga cards ... right???? lol this is sample diagram i understand from it.. (dun tembak me lahhhhhh, me noob) i'm assuming the 680i's update.. whoops.. i notice that 680i has onli 1 pcie 16x 1.1 from its northbridge... This post has been edited by jinaun: Nov 25 2007, 09:25 PM Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Nov 25 2007, 10:05 PM
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Calling for empire23.
Calling for Mr. empire23. |
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Nov 26 2007, 02:36 AM
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lol....how much of this board would be ? kinda interest with it
, and i want to throw this to my friend and kick hiss striker extreme off.. |
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Nov 26 2007, 03:26 AM
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oh ikan
ikan ikan ikan empire empire where art thee now?? got questions to ask... cause some ppl said that the 8800gt is not a pcie 2.0 there was a claim by some weird named nvidia partner in europe that they were the only pcie 2.0 8800gt... whats ure take on this and the above also.. |
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Nov 26 2007, 03:29 AM
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Nov 26 2007, 03:26 AM) oh ikan if 8800gt is pcie 2.0...will it better in x38 or p35? since p35 is using 1.1...x38 2.0....will there be a different? alot?ikan ikan ikan empire empire where art thee now?? got questions to ask... cause some ppl said that the 8800gt is not a pcie 2.0 there was a claim by some weird named nvidia partner in europe that they were the only pcie 2.0 8800gt... whats ure take on this and the above also..  |
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Nov 26 2007, 06:23 AM
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Im still with nForece4 Ultra
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Nov 26 2007, 05:04 PM
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Reading up on it, but can't draw any conclusions before some pictars of the chipset itself are given with some relevant pin out data (the tracks are the easiest way to see the bus width)
Generally i can't be bothered to look for now as my exams are here  . Go ask fishy. |
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Nov 26 2007, 05:11 PM
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Nice M/B .......... Who bought it ????
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Nov 27 2007, 10:55 PM
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walau just buy 680i then 780i come out , @@ FS#$#@$#@
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Nov 27 2007, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Nov 26 2007, 03:29 AM) if 8800gt is pcie 2.0...will it better in x38 or p35? since p35 is using 1.1...x38 2.0....will there be a different? alot? in terms on computer world speed.. it would be faster.. but in human time.. i dun think u'll see any different.eg.. pcie 1.1 can burst 512MB of data @ 125ms.. pcie 2.0 could probably do the same at 65ms... can u feel that 60ms??? This post has been edited by jinaun: Nov 27 2007, 11:34 PM |
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Dec 4 2007, 10:08 PM
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Rare sighting. I just went to ATE at Lowyat.net. Saw that they have ASUS Striker Extreme 2 with 780i SLI on ther price list but the price is not written.
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Dec 4 2007, 10:45 PM
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herd that u cant oc properly (infact cannot at all) if you put intel 45nm CPU in this mobo due to the lack of support from intel. something to do with intel revenge on nvidia.
*edit additional info This post has been edited by En.Vader: Dec 4 2007, 10:47 PM |
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Dec 4 2007, 11:00 PM
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NVIDIA would not license their SLI technology to Intel cause it's the only way for them to maintain a healthy market for the NForce Motherboards...and Intel fights back by not giving them the full details on Penryn (and future processors) that NVIDIA needs to manufacture their motherboard. Sort of Corporate Espionage or Sabotage...whatever. Well...that's what we all heard. Not sure if it's true or not.
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Dec 5 2007, 07:56 PM
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Dec 5 2007, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(clayclws @ Dec 4 2007, 11:00 PM) NVIDIA would not license their SLI technology to Intel cause it's the only way for them to maintain a healthy market for the NForce Motherboards...and Intel fights back by not giving them the full details on Penryn (and future processors) that NVIDIA needs to manufacture their motherboard. Sort of Corporate Espionage or Sabotage...whatever. Well...that's what we all heard. Not sure if it's true or not. is that true? if it true that mean it was end of life of nvidia mobo for intel platform... |
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Dec 5 2007, 09:11 PM
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Wow.Thats why intel chipset mobo rarely seen them in SLi supported mode.Juz Crossfire.
Come on, just reach whatever agreement between them and get it going. Have business together earn( translate in cantonese) haha. In the end we users get to suffer.eg Intel CPU stability issues on nforce / no SLi forever for intel board. This post has been edited by Terence573: Dec 5 2007, 09:13 PM |
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Dec 5 2007, 10:21 PM
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nah dont worry, i bet nvidia will beg for mercy and repent from intel. amen, 780i, sweet jesus in heaven.
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Dec 5 2007, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(clayclws @ Dec 4 2007, 11:00 PM) NVIDIA would not license their SLI technology to Intel cause it's the only way for them to maintain a healthy market for the NForce Motherboards...and Intel fights back by not giving them the full details on Penryn (and future processors) that NVIDIA needs to manufacture their motherboard. Sort of Corporate Espionage or Sabotage...whatever. Well...that's what we all heard. Not sure if it's true or not. Well, considering nVidia's so lazy and incompetent on this model anyway, color me unsurprised.They were going to just add another chip on a 680i and sell it as a new board. Oh, and this: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new...4/3sli-big-flaw I'll be laughing at whoever buys this board, for sure. Especially when 790i is coming so soon (not that I think it'll be vastly better, just above mediocre catch-up to X38/48 by then) |
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Dec 11 2007, 08:38 PM
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Dec 11 2007, 08:43 PM
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lets hope that it won' turn up like the unreliable 680's
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Dec 11 2007, 09:41 PM
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we should always let sum ppl try out new stuff, cuz normally 1st batch of stuff got high chance to have problems.
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Dec 12 2007, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE(zexynova @ Dec 11 2007, 09:41 PM) we should always let sum ppl try out new stuff, cuz normally 1st batch of stuff got high chance to have problems. That's why smart consumers wait for reviews and price drops. |
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Dec 12 2007, 01:06 AM
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but most detractor cant deny that
nVidia does make a simple thing exciting like tri-SLi, the mobo design even their generic model is better than the lame a$$ design by the bindus-bIntel. the most exciting 9or rather, exiting) is their "kapak rosak" series while nVidia churn out stuff, attention whore crave bragging rights.. |
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Dec 12 2007, 01:08 AM
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Still, NVIDIA fails to deliver ever since NFORCE 5xx series...and it's just coincidence that INTEL produce better products then. If only they would license their SLI to Intel...They would sell more of their graphic cards then...
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Dec 12 2007, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(clayclws @ Dec 12 2007, 01:08 AM) Still, NVIDIA fails to deliver ever since NFORCE 5xx series...and it's just coincidence that INTEL produce better products then. If only they would license their SLI to Intel...They would sell more of their graphic cards then... by then intel will wh0r3 out the thing that make SLi special see cross fire.. intel boards can cross fire but where's the connector same goes with their chip design AMD almost kick their tuckus in and still bIntel refuse to admit slight defeat then they come out with c2d touting how much better their chip is though that is true for now but what are they doing now? minimizing the die size, and increasing the fsb/muliplier back to the speed war the way i see it, they always take something and try to milk it dry start out with pentium 4 then degenerate to almost useless pentium d start out with c2d dunno what will that degenerate to. |
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Dec 12 2007, 01:34 AM
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Maybe you are the supporter of underdogs, or NVIDIA's fan, or AMD.ATI's fan, or Intel hater...whatever that you are, it is clear that Intel is the leader now.
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Dec 18 2007, 02:28 AM
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xfx 780i mobo review... not much diff with sli...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/mainboard/482/ This post has been edited by arjuna_mfna: Dec 18 2007, 02:28 AM |
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Dec 18 2007, 02:37 AM
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from that review it seems like the oc ability is quite impressive for a nvidia chipset..
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Dec 18 2007, 10:36 AM
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Impressive, but not worth the change for many. I guess 790i then, eh? (if it even exist)
Added on December 18, 2007, 10:36 amOh, and that's one great looking motherboard. Love the grunge styling. This post has been edited by clayclws: Dec 18 2007, 10:36 AM |
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 Dec 19 2007, 02:04 AM
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no full solid caps...?
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Dec 19 2007, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Dec 19 2007, 02:04 AM) no full solid caps...? that was design by nvidia, asus and msi use solid cap... |
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Dec 19 2007, 11:48 AM
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I was thinking to replace my mobo(GA-N650SLI-DS4) for this one. Coz my onboard Network adapter spoiled due to strucked by lighting. And weird problems sometimes showed up.
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Dec 19 2007, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(Sewerspeakers @ Dec 19 2007, 11:48 AM) I was thinking to replace my mobo(GA-N650SLI-DS4) for this one. Coz my onboard Network adapter spoiled due to strucked by lighting. And weird problems sometimes showed up. wanna change mobo just coz nic didn't work???  just slot new nic card, cheap... |
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Dec 19 2007, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Sewerspeakers @ Dec 19 2007, 11:48 AM) I was thinking to replace my mobo(GA-N650SLI-DS4) for this one. Coz my onboard Network adapter spoiled due to strucked by lighting. And weird problems sometimes showed up. Weird problems...should go start a thread and ask for help. One of these babies is gonna cost you a bomb. |
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Dec 19 2007, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Dec 19 2007, 12:25 PM) wanna change mobo just coz nic didn't work??? Yes i already do that, but the problems are the reason why i want to change. just slot new nic card, cheap...Yep, and i am preparing to counter the bomb cost . I'm gonna try out the 3 way SLi mode |
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Dec 19 2007, 05:23 PM
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Wow...you got 3 GTXs or Ultras? Guess you're loaded and won't have to worry about the cost of the 780i.
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Dec 19 2007, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(Sewerspeakers @ Dec 19 2007, 05:12 PM) Yes i already do that, but the problems are the reason why i want to change. rough counting 3pcs 8800gtx ~rm5k++, mobo near 1 k, totall up ~rm7k for 3pcs vga and a mobo, i'll buy new motorcycle, joke only... bro if u managed to make 3 way sli, don't forget post the resultYep, and i am preparing to counter the bomb cost . I'm gonna try out the 3 way SLi mode This post has been edited by arjuna_mfna: Dec 19 2007, 06:48 PM |
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Dec 19 2007, 06:37 PM
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With that kind of money, I'll buy a whole new computer.
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Dec 19 2007, 07:57 PM
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i can down payment a car liao lo with that money
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Dec 23 2007, 02:01 AM
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Sigh. After reading so many reviews on the web...I wonder if 780i is even worth it? Should we wait for 790i instead? It's an old picture from an old article, dated way back to 1st of Nov...
[attachmentid=364769] Source |
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Dec 23 2007, 02:52 AM
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QUOTE(Sewerspeakers @ Dec 19 2007, 05:12 PM) Yes i already do that, but the problems are the reason why i want to change. Based on ur sig, why on earth wud u want all the power of 3 x GTX/Ultra to power a 19" monitor?Yep, and i am preparing to counter the bomb cost . I'm gonna try out the 3 way SLi mode |
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Dec 23 2007, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(ianho @ Dec 23 2007, 02:52 AM) Based on ur sig, why on earth wud u want all the power of 3 x GTX/Ultra to power a 19" monitor? from his sig,the rig just mid-range setup,since he preparing bomb cost.probably new monitor  |
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