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post Nov 22 2007, 10:20 PM

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Hi guys, after 30 hours burn in, i think this is the right time for me the review this X3i and XBi...it come to my tough time as i finally found that i m not really a good reviewer coz i have to make sure i m fair to giving most accurate views after my listening, and thus i decide to change my style for reviewing by compare it with songs....rather than criticizing which are good and bad...

and let me give some introduction, x3i is claimed to have warmer signature while xbi having dark signatures, pls do mind that xbi do have the better response of low frequency which is BASS, but pls do not think that x3i doesn't perform well with low frequency(bass) as this is wrong, this new model x3i do have a very good bass impact and personally i found that it is more than enuf for every single ordinary users who excluded hard-rock,metal :S..so u might ask me, what is the point of having x3i since it bass loss to xbi, as my thought, M'sia tend to overly influences by those philips,sony brand which brought us the view that high bass=good sounds, i extremely disagree with this as those unquality bass does nt sound sweet to me ( i have found that what kind of bass is quality, this incurred learning of "listening" as to every single sound), as i m not really going to comment all others stuff, so i will stop criticizing others products biggrin.gif


ok, let's start my own evaluations...

Iriver H120
Ibasso D1 DAC
Ibasso D1 AMP
CrossRoads Mylarone XBi
CrossRoads Mylarone X3i

Susan Wong - Close to you
In this songs, i found that x3i have very good instrument response with very good separation, and yes the vocals really sweet to me, and it enable me to enjoy on the "wet" vocals of the singers. Come to xbi, it have slightly dark signature where you can exactly felt the story of the songs, but with less lively kind of presentations, but this is more closer to those Hi-fi systems, which i found quite numbers of hi-fi systems having very dark signatures, the bass response is superb here and u can exactly felt the drum impacts here.

Susan Wongs - Killing me softly
let start on xbi firts, yeah, the xbi signature defintely present better on this songs as it faithfully represents how sad the singers are, having very good separations but yet it give you impact each instrument accurately. as for x3i, u can exactly focus on the vocals of susan and u can even listen her breath in the beginning, with more refined vocals "shadow", sufficient low frequency response with more lively presentations, giving the totally different feels on this songs which compare to xbi.

Emi Fujita - Best of my love
x3i having quite good synergy with this songs, the background instrument is very refined, u would c alot of instrument at the background, which i felt soundstage wider than xb. go to xbi, i felt it is pretty not suit as slightly forwards signatures with narrow soundstages which compare x3i.

Martin Monoit son Portian au Marche
the high frequency of xbi in this songs really surprises me, almost go near to my hd580 at my memory, i was like omg once it reach the high frequency. however, x3i do perform quite well, having almost same level which compare to xbi, but due to laid back signature, thus the excitement of the songs is like slightly worse off which compare to x3i, but both of this new model really shock me as previous mylar doesnt perform well in high frequency.

Norah Jones - Not too late
x3i seen to have better seperations but xbi do perform very well on the impact of instrument, due to well perform of mid low frequency.nothing surprises me but i was quite enjoy with the sound on xbi due to slightly dark signatures, it really suit this songs very well.

Jay Chow - The longest story
x3i do perform very well in this songs, the vocals from x3i do giving u the feeling of sad, and u can exact feeling like jay chow is very very sad while recording songs, and due to good sources, first time i found that jay chow sang really well, and he do really improve alot of singing skills, ops out of topic ald, change to xbi, i do find it perform equally good but not as to the style i like,it is another kinds of feelings when xbi wear in, and u can get the feelings of sadness, but i do really enjoy of clear and touch vocal for Chinese pop songs.

in conclusion, i can tell u guys that i myself really hard to choose among this, that's y so many ppl in spore actually buy 2 in order to avoid the selection, both are equaly good, the mose common method to say that u like vocal take x3i, u like bass take xbi, which i felt it might not be accurate but we are forced to say so.actually x3i do perform well in low frequency(bass), just not as strong like sbi, and sbi do have a very good vocal, just not as good as x3i, so i have to say that, if i were to select this 2, i will get 2. it is really really hard to choose rclxub.gif notworthy.gif

added on svi and lbi

as promised , this is my comparison on the new lbi and svi...

alrite, let me talk about what shall i compare 1st, i will compare

x3i vs svi
x3i vs lbi

* i do not compare lbi and xbi as it is really similar, very similar, the only differences is the bass level icon_rolleyes.gif

before start, let me introduce on the new lbi and svi.

svi is the low bass version of x3i, which sound similar to etymotic, having a bright signature, but clear seperation.
lbi is the low bass version of xbi, having less bass than xbi, but still retained its dark/cool signatures.

x3i and svi.

i do not going to compare it songs by songs as to the proper review format, but i will tell on general, what is the differences, i felt this shall be more appropriate as they sound is pretty similar, it is not like an apple and oranges, so i dont think i need to tell any single details for both. All rite, the svi is basically low bass of x3i, having the same little laid back signatures, with the new svi, i felt it similar to etymotic signatures, which give u clearer separations than x3i, with less but accurate bass. but most of us shall forsee that bright signature doesn't give lively involvement, i do have to admit so but to be honest, it give a real, and accurate involvement rather than bass bumping. svi having better separation, this might resulted as remove of low frequency distortion. without focus on low freq, it giving clear vocal(clearer breath sounding), and greater drum impact. svi giving greater details but i shall say, it is the mind sets problem, coz when bass is focus, some mid-range details shall be ignored but when bass isnt focus, u could actually pick up all the details easily. it is a good start for entry level guys, who keen to furhter their purchases on etymotic, u can get that and try how was the signature, who know somebody might love that after that, it is more neutral, the bass is accurate, when it is not there, u wont listen any bass, i shall sound abit like IM716. svi do sound good after adding an amp, it is more obvious when compared to x3i but provided the amp is good enuf to push this easy drive IEM. it make more airy, rounded bass and warm down the signature by adding my RA The Secret thumbup.gif

x3i vs lbi
allrite guys, i will say, lbi is equally good when compare to x3i, as being read so many review, i assume that u guys understand how xbi sound, it is dark/cool signatures, same as lbi, it is same dark and cool, it is more on forward signatures, which give u super involvement feels as darken sound. it suit to listen on hi-fi songs as for darker feelings. Back to the topic, when it compare to x3i, on the bass level, i shall say still lbi is one small little tiny step up from x3i, it is not as strong as xbi, but the bass level is more than enuf for most of the users. lbi having a clear forward sound, with less focus treble, meaning less digital but more analog sounds. it give u different kinds of feelings when u listen on x3i and lbi, i will not conclude which is good, which is bad, but i clearly have to tell u guys, it is honda and toyota, it is really hard to tell , which is good, as it greatly depend on ur preferences. as for x3i, i think i do not talk much on that, as u can refer that on the sales record and customer feedbacks. When i done all this comparison, i shall always remind u guys, when i said xbi or lbi bass good, i do not implied that x3i bass lousy, no bass. I don't know why most of the users always make assumption that x3i having a low or lousy bass. but as for non-basshead users, x3i confirmed to have enuf bass for you. Most of the customer asking me that, how come x3i having this good bass.......so , pls do not assume that....xbi/lbi good in bass, x3i lousy in bass.... wink.gif

this is the bass level ranking
xbi>Lbi>x3i>svi

thks for ur time.

This post has been edited by yuheng: May 2 2008, 09:51 PM
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post Nov 23 2007, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(grandspy @ Nov 23 2007, 09:25 PM)
where's the bulk?
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it is here...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/559881

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post Nov 24 2007, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(virtue @ Nov 23 2007, 08:45 PM)
i guess i'm one of 'em smile.gif

18 hours of burning and...still burning...
m not sure if reading the reviews is doing the psycho but i feel the x3i is sounding warmer and soothing as it burns in..compared to the 1st impressions of muddy bass, harsh highs and messy soundstage...
excellent comfort and sound isolation compared to my Sony IEMs, that came with the 'w' SEs..

btw, yuheng & wala, thanx for bringin' the great stuff..keep up the great works...
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dude, u r the one even burn in more than me, my unit arrive, then straight away COD with u, so ur hours even longer than me notworthy.gif


Added on November 24, 2007, 10:05 am
QUOTE(xiong91 @ Nov 24 2007, 09:27 AM)
like the earphone design... veri unique..nice review ther... btw.. was it 3.5mm jack?
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yeah, it is, and this jack can go straight for Iphone, this is important, u dont need a converter biggrin.gif


Added on November 24, 2007, 10:05 am
QUOTE(CooLeRthings @ Nov 24 2007, 09:11 AM)
they really look sexy n tempting o
haha
but too bad
again
earbud not suit me
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no worries dude, will bring u one for testing once i meet you up biggrin.gif


Added on November 24, 2007, 10:07 am
QUOTE(songhan89 @ Nov 23 2007, 02:21 PM)
Looks pretty cool. The previous mylars 3 had terrible QC problem. How's the pricing ?? taiko.. give us some lovely discount!
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pls refer my bulk teiko, i m not entitled to conducting business here wink.gif
pm me then biggrin.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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post Nov 24 2007, 01:11 PM

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some photo added, take it from jaben...

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post Nov 25 2007, 09:33 PM

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i have update the review in 2nd posts biggrin.gif
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post Nov 28 2007, 06:39 PM

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hi guys, pls come over tonite biggrin.gif
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post Nov 29 2007, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(shinjun @ Nov 29 2007, 07:59 PM)
Bro yuheng..will the X3i come in white colour? blink.gif
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im not sure how long have to wait, but i think so...
but black one really look nice leh tongue.gif


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post Nov 30 2007, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(jacklsw86 @ Nov 30 2007, 02:41 PM)
woohoo i got my x3i today. biggrin.gif where can i dl the pink noise to burn in my x3i eh ;p
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dude, u r really lucky me, walabies is dreaming ans post the whole package to you..... rclxub.gif
just a Christmas Gift biggrin.gif


Added on November 30, 2007, 3:08 pm
QUOTE(jason_killer @ Nov 30 2007, 02:38 PM)
Hi to all , jst drop by here to said thanks to u ,yuheng ..
I'm actually went to yuheng's house to test the new series of mylar 3 last friday.. Ermm..from a beginner's point of view, wat i can said about X3i and XBi is , the sounds was really impress me ... There's really a much more improvement from previous series ..(yuheng : is it becoz its passed through the IBASO  brows.gif  brows.gif )I do compare with my current mylar3 , i personally vote for the X3i although it jst a few hours burned according to yuheng. For a more details description , i can't really talk much from a beginner position , let the pros do talk ..1 new thing that i jst learned from yuheng is how to hears the sounds's impaction..  nod.gif
Lastly , wat can i assured to potential buyer is , any improvement from previous mylar  rclxub.gif ?? Ya [COLOR=purple], it really does ..  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Now still thinking whether
1) get the Xbi
2) sell of my current mylar3 and get the X3i
3) MS1 drool.gif
4) Don do anything , and try to saved up for more high-end stuff brows.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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dude, come over and have a try on ms1.....
coz u have the mylar3 ald, might better get some improvement as to diff type biggrin.gif


Added on November 30, 2007, 3:08 pm
QUOTE(nles @ Nov 29 2007, 11:17 AM)
I would like to have both, haha but no budget.

x3i kinda suitable for my everyday usage.

Quite hard to get a comfortable fit for the double flanges on my right ear.

yuheng, the blue doors ahead, F.I.R song that u let me listen is also in FLAC? I got that album too but never even listen finish once tongue.gif
Get it for my gf one.
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yeah, that song nice leh, testing soundstages rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 30 2007, 03:20 PM

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lolz....
walabies is dreaming lah...
no pro dude, just a gift as christmas is coming tongue.gif
enjoy man
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post Dec 1 2007, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(tkh89 @ Nov 30 2007, 05:40 PM)
Just got my X3i from yuheng this morning at KL Sentral...
Thanks bro and also paise because you have to travel from Sunway to KL Sentral only to meet me... thumbup.gif
I'm using this X3i for portable and it is much much more better than the bundled ipod earphones (definitely)...

What I want to talk to all of you guys here (especially those of you who never meet yuheng before) is yuheng is really a friendly guy... rclxms.gif
If you want to buy any headphones earphones stuff just find him...
He will recommend something that will not exceed your budget (not like salesman outside who always recommend you the one that can earn the most commission)
or how to improve your existing rig...
He will share everything that he know with you and teach you how to appreciate music...

Thanks again yuheng and hopefully can meet you soon...
If I'm free, I'll go Sunway find you...to get poisoned... tongue.gif
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thks dude biggrin.gif
u have a very good hearing evaluation, and a very fast learner, really enjoy to chat with you, so we can share experiences with each others biggrin.gif


Added on December 1, 2007, 11:32 pm
QUOTE(nles @ Dec 1 2007, 04:50 AM)
I'm not the kind of review guy, I only know whether I like the earphones or not.
That day meet yuheng and he really teach me much about how to rate an earphone.

Since I can't do review, might as well let the photo do the job.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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hoho
very good image, mind i curi some thumbup.gif


Added on December 1, 2007, 11:33 pm
QUOTE(jacklsw86 @ Dec 1 2007, 09:51 PM)
x3i feels not much difference from m3. but bass alot clearer yawn.gif
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yeah, the bass is tight and clear now,
guys, pls dont think that xbi have good bass so contrasted to x3i no bass...
x3 have a very good bass response and impact biggrin.gif

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post Dec 2 2007, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(jacklsw86 @ Dec 2 2007, 12:30 AM)
aiks y i feel like my x3i is louder at the right ?
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mean u never get a good fit, try on double flanges, pull ur ear, place it in, then let go biggrin.gif
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post Dec 2 2007, 08:47 PM

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forgot to tell u giuys, mylarone x3i and xbi on sales on Mid-valley and KLCC Mediaplex
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post Dec 4 2007, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(jacklsw86 @ Dec 4 2007, 01:42 AM)
hey i feel like the bass is a lil bit softer when i use double flanges. is it just me or u ppl also feel the same?
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try this
Pull the back side of ur ear, place the IEM in, let go ur hand, this is teh only way to get a good fits, as the double flanges is soft, hardly pushing in will not fit in tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jacklsw86 @ Dec 4 2007, 03:09 PM)
i think i put in correctly. juz a feeling that double flanges might have absorbed a lil bit more sound than the normal flanges. but double flanges isolate the environment noise better tongue.gif
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yeah, fair enuf biggrin.gif
some of my friend, when they plug in DF, the sound god better, but some dont notworthy.gif
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post Dec 6 2007, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Dec 6 2007, 02:06 PM)
damn u made me so tempted to get it drool.gif

some1 buy my M3 please cry.gif
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i tot u have the chances to sell it ald...go kl lah RM2 can cover 2 trips dude tongue.gif
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post Dec 7 2007, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(PetroToxin @ Dec 7 2007, 12:38 AM)
hmm So the best choice for a Classical music listener who don't use an amp is the X3i?
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yeah, compare with soundstages...x3i have a very good staging sound with air feels biggrin.gif
u can refer my review, or kindly drop by sunway and have a try
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post Dec 8 2007, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(killswitch @ Dec 8 2007, 01:57 PM)
nah, i ripped them in flac format, and most tracks i downloaded are at least 192kbps.
i bumped the volume up to the max w/o any music playing and there's definitely hissing noises on the background. i wonder if it could be my laptop.
when i listen to ambient stuff the noises really get in the way
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hi guys, tat is common to IEM or either earbud, normally the low ohm IEM/earbud will have more significant feels which compare to higher end one , it is due to the high gain/curent out from the on board sound card biggrin.gif
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post Dec 14 2007, 11:27 PM

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yeah, corect, tat day i put on xbi on movie with pcdude zune, was so shoick in Mamak waiting for him tat day, the sound for movie is so (erm).....

fantastic tongue.gif
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post Dec 19 2007, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(dlyz @ Dec 18 2007, 06:06 PM)
You guys use amp for your x3i? If so i want to ask is it suitable to pair with a cheap amp like LDM+?

How long is the x3i cable?

How does the treble, bass and soundstage of x3i compare to recabled KSC75?
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mylar is low ohm headphone, mean it need no any amp to drive, add in some amp might give it inverse effect, but u might find some good amp which able to drive it well...

i think LDM is not a good option to pair with mylar biggrin.gif


Added on December 19, 2007, 9:52 am
QUOTE(Wolf516 @ Dec 18 2007, 07:00 PM)
Can give me the details on how to exchange the double flanges? biggrin.gif
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pls pm me about it, thks, i will give u my address then.


Added on December 19, 2007, 9:56 am
QUOTE(Hackezkk @ Dec 18 2007, 08:59 PM)
ya2
i wanna know too
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ok, guys...........
i always answer this question....

but i have to say 1st, this is not an appropriate question, when u come to hi-fi stuff..things always come to which one u prefer, not which one is good, imagine i ask u compact car vs 4wd car, which one is good????

ok, let me give some intro on both,

ksc75 having fantastic transparency. with very much extension of bass...biggrin.gif
mylar having better isolation, hence much more details, and better control on vocal.. biggrin.gif
in term of soundstage, both having similar soundstage imho biggrin.gif

who wan to compare it, cna come over my place after January tongue.gif


Added on December 19, 2007, 9:57 am
QUOTE(megatron007 @ Dec 18 2007, 09:02 PM)
xbi is better n rocking biggrin.gif
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yeah rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


Added on December 19, 2007, 9:57 am
QUOTE(PetroToxin @ Dec 19 2007, 01:47 AM)
hmm with this X3i there is a louder background noise compared to my previous earphone.

Could it be due to my 128kbps mp3 ? doh.gif
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louder background is due to the higher gain from ur sources, mean ur sources high elec out....
try some lossless songs as well


Added on December 19, 2007, 9:58 am
QUOTE(dlyz @ Dec 19 2007, 08:11 AM)
Shud be mate, my 128 became inadequate after getting my Aurilium sound card and Z5500D. Really could hear all the hiss, pops and crackles.

But those i ripped myself to 128 last time didnt have noise tho, just that not as clear and sweet as when i played the CD itself. CD is still the best. smile.gif

btw, just curious to know so ill repost my question lol...

You guys use amp for your x3i? If so i want to ask is it suitable to pair with a cheap amp like LDM+?

How long is the x3i cable?

How does the treble, bass and soundstage of x3i compare to recabled KSC75?
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cable is around 1.3m, and it doesnt suit LDM as it is not a good synergy

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post Dec 27 2007, 06:28 PM

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pls do do pm me for any defect of mylar, i m pretty loss now, recently too busy, if ur mylar have defected, and u have informed me, pls inform me one more times, as i m really loss now...sorry....



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