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post Nov 17 2007, 03:07 PM, updated 19y ago

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PlayStation 3 40GB System Review

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Price: $399USD, 399 Euro, $699AUD, RM1356 drool.gif drool.gif

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Another PlayStation 3 hardware revision from Sony enters the consumer market. This review aims to inform newbies and those interested in knowing what's different or new about the 40GB PS3 which is aimed at shifting many units for Christmas.

Open the Box Dammit!
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Upon opening the box you'll find the following items:

PlayStation 40GB console (hah! I never would have suspected)
Sixaxis Controller
USB cable (for charging the controller or other devices)
Power Cable
Manual
AV Cable (Composite)

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The Spider-man PlayStation

The PlayStation 3 in my opinion is one of the better looking consoles this generation, although the Spider-man font always makes me think of my favourite webslinger instead of the PlayStation brand. Anyway, the PS3 is quite big and heavy with the AC Adapter making it's home inside the system. However, since the aim is of the PlayStation 3 is to wage war with your other electronics products and take the sole spot in the living room, this isn't much of a problem.

The PS3 can be placed vertically or horizontally and works well either way. You can even move the PlayStation symbol for the vertical position. Nice touch. It's very quiet and both the hard drive and the Blu-Ray drive make little noise. It feels very solid and well built as you'd expect for the admission price. The system can get fairly hot at the back where it vents heat after extended use of play, but it's not as bad as the Xbox 360 and there isn't much fear of using the system in higher temperatures, it's a reliable machine. You won't be able to fry an egg on it for those who are wondering.



It Ate My Disc!

Upon turning on the PS3 for the first time, you'll be greeted with a new OS which is very similar to the PSP's XMB interface. After setting up the date, clock and other options, you're all ready to go.

Of course once you look at the optical drive in the PS3 to put in a disc, you'll be chuffed. No longer a motorised tray, the PS3 incoporates a funky new Blu-Ray disc drive which simply eats your disc up after you push it in slightly. It's just like the car CD players and it's very cool. A nice change from the motorised trays of yesteryear.



Why isn't my controller rumbling?

Much has been said about the Sixaxis controller. It's slightly disappointing that the new 40GB model doesn't ship with the Dual Shock 3, which was announced recently. No doubt the Dual Shock 3 will be bundled later with another hardware revision.

Anyway, the Sixaxis is a very comfortable controller and does not have rumble if you didn't know already. It uses Bluetooth wireless technology and you can use the USB cable to charge the controller or "wire" it to your PS3. At it's core, it's basically a PS2 controller with some slight modifications. The L2 and R2 buttons have now been turned into analog triggers, which are much better for accelerating and braking in driving games for example. The controller is lighter and feels very responsive.

The motion sensing of the controller is a mixed bag. In some games, it's completely unusable (Motorstorm), while in other games (Folklore), it makes the game even more fun. As developers put more effort into the motion sensing control, it should be quite a nifty feature in gameplay. Though, it will make you sometimes look like an idiot waving your controller around.

Out With the Old

The 40GB model has been designed to reduce production costs and slash the price of the PlayStation 3 to make it that much more affordable. First thing you'll notice is the 40GB hard drive. It's been reduced from the 60GB and 80GB models. Let me just say, that 40GB is still plenty of space, unless you're going to be downloading games, demos and movie trailers like crazy. No complaints here.

Apart from that, a bigger change to the hardware is the removal of backward compatibility of PlayStation 2 games (PS1 games are still compatible). Yes that means you're brand new 40GB PS3 will not play any PlayStation 2 games at all. Now before throwing a hissy fit, let's put this in perspective. Are you buying a PlayStation 3 to play PS2 games?

Now let's look at it from another angle. The 40GB unit price has been slashed across the board in every region. For the money saved compared to the 60GB model which does play PS2 games, you could easily buy a new PS2 system with many games. So if you're not ready to move onto the PS3, I recommend picking up a PS2 and playing it until you're ready to move on to this generation or buy both systems and some extra games to boot!

Finally, a couple of USB ports and the card reader have been removed as well, leaving two USB ports at the front for all your equipment and charging needs. You'll need to use your own USB card reader if you choose to. Two USB ports should be enough for most, but you won't be able to charge or wire more than two controllers at the same time for example.

The Games

Sure the PS3's game library is sorely lacking, but it is steadily improving and buying a PS3 is a good investment. Sony isn't just going to give up any time soon and once there are more PS3's in households, there will be more quality games.

Visuals are a mixed bag, but some games already show the power of the PS3 and there will be much more in the years to come. If after this review you decide to gleefully dance to your local store to buy a 40GB PS3, I have some recommendations for you. These are some great PS3 exclusive games that you should consider picking up:

Resistance: Fall of Man (First Person Shooter)
Motorstorm (Racing)
Folklore (RPG)
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (Platformer)
Warhawk (Online Action)



The Movies

Playback of DVD and Blu-Ray movies is an easy affair and works great. The PS3 can also upscale your old DVD movies to 1080p, making them look so much better on a HDMI enabled TV. It's highly recommended you only start buying Blu-Ray movies if you have a decent sized TV, preferably with a HDMI input to fully utilise the benefit of the increased resolution and quality of Blu-Ray movies.

Will Blu-Ray win the video format war? I don't know, but I do know that it is stupid having two different formats and only consumers lose out on the deal. Hopefully one of the formats will emerge victorious in the near future. Currently, Blu-Ray is dominating over HD-DVD and I think it's a good idea to buy the movies for your PS3 if you want to experience high definition movie goodness.

Online With Your PS3

After setting up a PlayStation Network (PSN) account on your PS3, you'll be ready to play online and access the PlayStation Store which has plenty of free and pay downloads. There's currently only one PlayStation 3 available for download (Warhawk), but it's half the retail price of the disc based version. With these kinds of prices, digital game distribution may become popular very quickly.

There are plenty of demos and movie trailers to download and there are quite a few PSN-only games for you to purchase. Browsing the store with a controller is very intuitive and you'll be downloading and buying in no time.

Web browsing also works well, but is a chore with a control pad. Finally, unlike Xbox Live, there is no cost to play any of your games online against other PSN users. It's part of the great service.



The Verdict

The PlayStation 3 is a cool piece of hardware, there's no doubt about it. It's loaded with the latest technologies to propel you into the future even though it's not fully utilised yet and a bit difficult to program for.

The cheaper 40GB model is a welcome addition and will provide many potential buyers with an affordable PS3 and Blu-Ray player. Indeed, it's cheaper and wiser to buy a PS3 just to play Blu-Ray movies instead of a standalone. While the couple of USB ports could have been useful, they aren't a necessity and neither is the backwards compatibility considering the amount slashed off the retail price. It looks like a bright Christmas for the PlayStation 3 and once more AAA titles start rolling in, the sales of units should increase rapidly.

Gamers Galaxy Verdict Overall (out of ten):

9.0


Tech Specs

PLAYSTATION(R)3 40GB Specification
Product name PLAYSTATION(R)3
CPU Cell Broadband Engine Processor
GPU RSX
Sound Dolby 5.1ch, DTS 5.1ch , LPCM 7.1ch, AAC, others *1 *2
Memory 256MB XDR Main RAM, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
HDD 2.5" Serial ATA 40GB
I/O USB 2.0 x2
Communication Ethernet x1 (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
IEEE 802.11 b/g Included
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR) Included
Wireless controller (Bluetooth) Included
AV Output
Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI OUT x1 *3
AV MULTI OUT x1
DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x1
BD/DVD/CD Drive
(Read Only) Maximum Read Speed BD 2x (BD-ROM)
DVD 8x (DVD-ROM)
CD 24x (CD-ROM)
Dimensions Approximately 325mm (W) x 98mm (H) x 274mm (D)
Weight Approximately 5 kg

*1 A device compatible with Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. is required to output 7.1 Ch. audio, supported by Dolby TrueHD or a similar format, from the HDMI OUT connector.
*2 This system does not support output from the DTS-HD 7.1 Ch. DTS-HD 7.1 Ch. audio is output from a 5.1 or lower channel.
*3 "Deep Color" and "x.v.Color (xvYCC)" defined by HDMI ver1.3a are supported.

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QUOTE(mazdagtr210 @ Nov 17 2007, 03:07 PM)
Price: $399USD, 399 Euro, $699AUD, RM1356  drool.gif  drool.gif
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i'd kick my own ass if i bought this model doh.gif

friggin expensive!!
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Nov 17 2007, 03:11 PM)
i'd kick my own ass if i bought this model doh.gif

friggin expensive!!
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so better stick to 60GB n 80GB model?
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rm1356 is a great price for this awesome console drool.gif

im gonna racun my frens to get this,hopefully the 40gb ps3 will help boost ps3 sales and once again become console that hav the largest userbase thumbup.gif

then all the exclusives will be coming back home thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Nov 17 2007, 03:11 PM)
i'd kick my own ass if i bought this model doh.gif

friggin expensive!!
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RM1356 for this model = expensive? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Nov 17 2007, 04:04 PM)
RM1356 for this model = expensive?  rclxub.gif
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only 2 usb ports
NO flash card reader
NO SACD playback
NO BC

oh yeah,very cheap doh.gif

i'd top up another $100 or so and get the higher end model,which has all of the above and more doh.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Nov 17 2007, 03:11 PM)
i'd kick my own ass if i bought this model doh.gif

friggin expensive!!
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it's not really expensive, consider PS3 just launched 1 year ago. PS2 and Xbox had been at that price point too.

Now the problem is, the games on blu-ray disc are expensive, provided no cheaper alternative available at the moment, at RM170+ each title, that will halt the movement of mainstream gamers in Malaysia

the online purchase of games through PSN at half price is good, but to our doomed screamyx and just 40GB HDD, this will have some difficulties.
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Nov 17 2007, 04:15 PM)
it's not really expensive, consider PS3 just launched 1 year ago. PS2 and Xbox had been at that price point too.

Now the problem is, the games on blu-ray disc are expensive, provided no cheaper alternative available at the moment, at RM170+ each title, that will halt the movement of mainstream gamers in Malaysia

the online purchase of games through PSN at half price is good, but to our doomed screamyx and just 40GB HDD, this will have some difficulties.
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im comparing it to the 60/80gb models.. tongue.gif

if those two werent available,this 40gb IS cheap.
RM1k for a BR player is in itself cheap,let alone a whole console with wifi and a hdd laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Nov 17 2007, 04:12 PM)
only 2 usb ports
NO flash card reader
NO SACD playback
NO BC

oh yeah,very cheap  doh.gif

i'd top up another $100 or so and get the higher end model,which has all of the above and more doh.gif
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Compared to Premium Xbox360? tongue.gif All those shortcomings you've listed are of no big deal to me. USB hub works, usb card reader also works. Why BC when most likely u'd have a PS2 anyways. So no biggie as $100 is still alot to consider for most ppl. nod.gif
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Nov 17 2007, 04:18 PM)
Compared to Premium Xbox360?  tongue.gif
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im sorry,what?3ROD?


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3rod60 lagi mahal rclxub.gif
they talk big about having hdmi yet being cheaper by a few dollars(was it $50?) but they dont have either a hd dvd nor a br player.. doh.gif doh.gif talk about rip offs..

and the xbots hail them as being truthful and honest "unlike sony" pfft doh.gif


QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Nov 17 2007, 04:18 PM)
All those shortcomings you've listed are of no big deal to me.
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to each his own thumbup.gif

QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Nov 17 2007, 04:18 PM)
USB hub works, usb card reader also works.
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yup,but personally,im the type that loves to hook up a billion things into one... brows.gif

QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Nov 17 2007, 04:18 PM)
Why BC when most likely u'd have a PS2 anyways.
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no more plug doh.gif lol...
and i malas nak tukar tukar...hassle lor.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Nov 17 2007, 04:18 PM)
So no biggie as $100 is still alot to consider for most ppl. nod.gif
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US$100 = RM 330+-

actually with the money saved, I can invest on bigger 2.5" HDD, we can use the cheap rm20 USB card reader also, and even with the PS2 compatibility, it still sucks as its in software mode, unless you can find the 1st batch one which got EE/GS chip but that will be a bomb price.

the choice is the colors... dunno which to choose, both colors also nice :drools:
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It is cheap! And for that price u get a PC if u install linux on it!
Why bother with BC, since there isnt much PS2 game that is really big deal coming out!
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Wah the price is nice! I don't care about the readers though. I have everything in my PC. I agree with dattebayo about the US$100. The games probably hard to find and lots of $$$$$.
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sg wang price berapa??
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QUOTE(dark lenanza @ Nov 17 2007, 05:49 PM)
sg wang price berapa??
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i've asked yesterday and it's around RM1350-1600. I pity those who'd bought the console at RM1.6k. sweat.gif
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PS Zone selling for 1.5k with 2 SIXAXIS. Expensive to me though considering the DS3 is already out.... I'll wait for a DS3+40GB bundle.
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Nov 17 2007, 07:53 PM)
i've asked yesterday and it's around RM1350-1600. I pity those who'd bought the console at RM1.6k.  sweat.gif
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How much you get yours again?
and does yours come with a free bluray disc or i think that offer is just exclusive at japan i think.
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This review is taken from the strikebang forum...

Click me... and please state out where is the article from...

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 18 2007, 02:06 AM)
PS Zone selling for 1.5k with 2 SIXAXIS. Expensive to me though considering the DS3 is already out.... I'll wait for a DS3+40GB bundle.
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just buy extra DS3 la like me...so have 1 six axis and 1 DS3...
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Just get those have good feature and less hdd space. You know why?

The HDD is same as laptop HDD. So you want 200gb you can go get it frm low yat.
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QUOTE(MmxZero @ Nov 18 2007, 01:57 PM)
Just get those have good feature and less hdd space. You know why?

The HDD is same as laptop HDD. So you want 200gb you can go get it frm low yat.
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even cheaper tongue.gif
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got 1 shop at sg wang selling the 40gb @ RM1400. Didn't ask for details though...
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QUOTE(HMMaster @ Nov 18 2007, 03:44 PM)
got 1 shop at sg wang selling the 40gb @ RM1400. Didn't ask for details though...
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That is very cheap tongue.gif
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Just buy from bernard....even with an extra dualshock 3...it's the cheapest so far...for pricing..better ask bernard yourself....
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Bernard 1 confirm cheaper... I already reserve 1 from him.
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QUOTE(hezda @ Nov 18 2007, 06:30 PM)
Bernard 1 confirm cheaper... I already reserve 1 from him.
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yeap bernard is very cheap just sapu 40gb from him laugh.gif

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heh i got it from him yesterday too.. black one + 1 DS3
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QUOTE(tolorati @ Nov 19 2007, 12:23 AM)
heh i got it from him yesterday too.. black one + 1 DS3
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Can someone please stop saying they already gotten their ps3????!!! vmad.gif vmad.gif

I still have not got mine... cry.gif cry.gif *sob uncontrollably*
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28 posts already, and yet no REAL "review" of the 40GB by any forumer sweat.gif is the 40GB more quiet and less hot? anyone used it for folding yet?
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QUOTE(acougan @ Nov 19 2007, 02:19 PM)
28 posts already, and yet no REAL "review" of the 40GB by any forumer  sweat.gif  is the 40GB more quiet and less hot? anyone used it for folding yet?
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onli 500g lighter laugh.gif
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wow, bernard got the dualshock aredi?

how muchie ar?
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my 60GB is actually very hot during folding, thats why i'm hesitant to put in on 24/7. that and also risks of sudden power loss/surge and lighting storms.
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QUOTE(acougan @ Nov 19 2007, 02:36 PM)
my 60GB is actually very hot during folding, thats why i'm hesitant to put in on 24/7. that and also risks of sudden power loss/surge and lighting storms.
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inside fan too dusty ar? mine runs pretty quiet during folding
DS3 if bundle with 40gb onli RM150 laugh.gif

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hmm.gif my ps3 sometimes is hot and sometimes its not....hmm.gif
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how to bundle? means one normal + one DS3 add another 150?
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 19 2007, 03:02 PM)
how to bundle? means one normal + one DS3 add another 150?
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ps3 +sixaxis + DS3 = RM1500
ps3 alone with sixaxis = Rm1350

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if without bundle? heard its 195?? cannot i must get at 150 lol..
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Nov 19 2007, 03:14 PM)
if without bundle? heard its 195?? cannot i must get at 150 lol..
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if i am not mistaken at Rm170-180
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hmmm.... im only willing to pay 150 fo rhte DS3 though, not a cent more
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 19 2007, 03:18 PM)
hmmm.... im only willing to pay 150 fo rhte DS3 though, not a cent more
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hehe same thought thats why i took the bundle
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@guys - my boss told me the DS3 is selling in Japan for 5400 yen...so it is about RM160++
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hmm.gif dont know wor...he is in japan now wor...:stars:diff place sell diff price ka??
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QUOTE(acougan @ Nov 19 2007, 02:36 PM)
my 60GB is actually very hot during folding, thats why i'm hesitant to put in on 24/7. that and also risks of sudden power loss/surge and lighting storms.
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arj folds with his 60Gb PS3 non-stop 24/7 for 4 months straight last time. tongue.gif I notice the 40Gb PS3 did not release any hot air from the top vent when u put the PS3 in vertical, it only comes out from the back. In fact the top vent is very cool. hmm.gif
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yes, i heard quite a few ppl fold 24/7. then i saw the pict of him buying a new white 40GB. dual folding!? shocking.gif

those picts of the 40GB innards really show much redesign in mobo and cooling. thanks for your impressions.
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 19 2007, 03:27 PM)
i tot 5100 yen?
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Don't forgot have to add 5% tax also when buy at Japan.

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QUOTE(acougan @ Nov 19 2007, 04:08 PM)
yes, i heard quite a few ppl fold 24/7. then i saw the pict of him buying a new white 40GB. dual folding!?  shocking.gif

those picts of the 40GB innards really show much redesign in mobo and cooling. thanks for your impressions.
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arj sold off his 60gb tongue.gif

sayang he didnt tell me whistling.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Nov 19 2007, 08:16 PM)
arj sold off his 60gb tongue.gif

sayang he didnt tell me whistling.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(edvpc @ Nov 19 2007, 08:19 PM)
what's ur offer price if arj sell to u? tongue.gif
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too expensive for 40gb, like some one has said, top up another 500 bucks u can get a higher end console ! if it is around 1000 then it is a different story.

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500 bucks is allot ler... OMG. u say as if 500 bucks is nothin like tat.
500 bucks can get u 2 new ori ps3 games or ipod nano, can even get u a ps2 slim ler.. of add 170 more can get psp.. wat talking you?!?!
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Nov 20 2007, 09:27 AM)
500 bucks is allot ler... OMG. u say as if 500 bucks is nothin like tat.
500 bucks can get u 2 new ori ps3 games or ipod nano, can even get u a ps2 slim ler.. of add 170 more can get psp.. wat talking you?!?!
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500 bucks not much la, anything more than that like 700 - 800 then, its a lot! if u get 40 gig for 1300 ... i bet u wil regret one day ! tambah lagi sikit boleh dapat 60 - 80 gig leh !
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QUOTE(Hou_JaI @ Nov 20 2007, 09:32 AM)
500 bucks not much la, anything more than that like 700 - 800 then, its a lot! if u get 40 gig for 1300 ... i bet u wil regret one day ! tambah lagi sikit boleh dapat 60 - 80 gig leh !
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different ppl different defination on "a lot" lah... for me 500 is still a lot. i'll be getting the white 40gb too very soon coz if i topup also till that 80gb version later i sure definately will upgrade the hdd. might as well i use the extra topup and upgrade that 40gb hdd.
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QUOTE(judge-the @ Nov 20 2007, 10:38 AM)
different ppl different defination on "a lot" lah... for me 500 is still a lot. i'll be getting the white 40gb too very soon coz if i topup also till that 80gb version later i sure definately will upgrade the hdd. might as well i use the extra topup and upgrade that 40gb hdd.
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Bro Judge, have you fixed your Xbox360 or given up on it?
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support with judge decision, 500 can get a new HDD and some blurays together with it
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it has to be used with stepdown rite?if yes, the total price is almost the same with 60gb one..correct me if wrng
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QUOTE(Hou_JaI @ Nov 20 2007, 09:32 AM)
500 bucks not much la, anything more than that like 700 - 800 then, its a lot! if u get 40 gig for 1300 ... i bet u wil regret one day ! tambah lagi sikit boleh dapat 60 - 80 gig leh !
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Why would you consider the 60GB superior to the 40GB? Excuse me?
1. 40GB plays PS3 games just as well
2. 40GB plays BD-movies just as well
3. 40GB plays DVD-movies just as well
4. 40GB connects to PSN just as well (if not better, due to improved WiFi)
5. 40GB performs as a media center just as well
6. 40GB operates off a 65nm Cell / 90nm RSX - this reduces power usage just a bit and a little less heat (more environmentally friendly?)
7. 60GB has 20GB more HDD (you're paying extra RM500, and that easily covers a HDD upgrade)
8. 60GB has 4 USB ports (same as HDD, for the extra RM500, a simple RM20 USB hub is more than enough to cover this inadequacy)
10. 60GB can play SACD (Super Audio CD). Errrm, when was the last time you actually played (or even own) an SACD? It's not popular in Singapore (or maybe Singapore), so this white elephant isn't exactly crucial or critical.

Stop being so quick to jump on the bandwagon about how the 60GB is superior to the 40GB and it being the best PS3 version. It shows that you haven't really put in much thought about it. While it might be a better version for US or Japan (given that they would be able to play their NTSC/US or NTSC/J games respectively), in the context of Singapore (or maybe Malaysia), the 40GB is a much better choice.


* article is taken from GameAxis.com Forums posted by Phrajile

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QUOTE(Hou_JaI @ Nov 20 2007, 09:32 AM)
500 bucks not much la, anything more than that like 700 - 800 then, its a lot! if u get 40 gig for 1300 ... i bet u wil regret one day ! tambah lagi sikit boleh dapat 60 - 80 gig leh !
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sigh people these days dont appreciate value of money di. 500 bucks is nothin... if u are a wise consumer right..
the amount u get in difference can upgrade yr HDD to 120gb plus getting external ports for additional usb ports or make up for the lack of memory card readers..

IF u didnt know the pricing here is basically similar to the us citizens.. explain why the amount of ps3 40gb versions are more hangat!??! even here in msia also its pretty hot. are u saying we are all dumb consumers?!! whistling.gif

and i own a 60gb version. if i didnt buy tat i would hv gone for the 40gb one di..

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Errr...ps3 got external power brick like x360 r?
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QUOTE(nextgene @ Nov 20 2007, 10:41 AM)
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most noob question of the day. whistling.gif
no it doesnt hv one... icon_rolleyes.gif its internal..

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most noob question of the day.  whistling.gif
no it doesnt hv one...  icon_rolleyes.gif its internal..
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Nov 20 2007, 10:42 AM)
most noob question of the day.  whistling.gif
no it doesnt hv one...  icon_rolleyes.gif its internal..
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Another point to note. Those card readers are basically useless if you are using the higher capacity cards (4Gb and above) cuz it doesn't support the new HC format. Try putting one in, nothing happens. You'll need a HC compatibale USB card reader.

I own a 60Gb and 40Gb unit. So, not trying to thrash the 60Gb unit. It's really not worth getting the 80Gb as mentioned by fellow members here.


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Bros, sorry OT. I just wanna ask. SACD is basically an Audio CD, rite? So, this 40GB can't play Audio CDs?
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i think its either u get the 60GB version or the 40GB version....nod.gif
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QUOTE(nizam80 @ Nov 20 2007, 10:50 AM)
Bros, sorry OT. I just wanna ask. SACD is basically an Audio CD, rite? So, this 40GB can't play Audio CDs?
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superior type of audio CD , like DVD audio cd
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Oh ic ic. Thanks rx330 and Neoardi. thumbup.gif
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lol, just passed by, and heard somebody here think of 100USD like nothing... some even say RM500 like nothing sweat.gif envy u guys, so darn rich smile.gif.... lol ....

im waiting new slim PS2 (version 2?)out then only got money buy the PS2 ... LOL ... damn ... wrong forum, sorry OLD and CHEAP PS2 shouldnt be here
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Nov 20 2007, 10:42 AM)
most noob question of the day.  whistling.gif
no it doesnt hv one...  icon_rolleyes.gif its internal..
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Nov 20 2007, 10:39 AM)
sigh people these days dont appreciate value of money di. 500 bucks is nothin... if u are a wise consumer right..
the amount u get in difference can upgrade yr HDD to 120gb plus getting external ports for additional usb ports or make up for the lack of memory card readers..

IF u didnt know the pricing here is basically similar to the us citizens.. explain why the amount of ps3 40gb versions are more hangat!??! even here in msia also its pretty hot. are u saying we are all dumb consumers?!!  whistling.gif

and i own a 60gb version. if i didnt buy tat i would hv gone for the 40gb one di..
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not to say u all are dumb, its just that i do not want the hustle to buy this and that for add on ...

notworthy.gif you all got so much time going around upgrading your console !
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QUOTE(saiga @ Nov 20 2007, 10:09 AM)
Why would you consider the 60GB superior to the 40GB? Excuse me?
1. 40GB plays PS3 games just as well
2. 40GB plays BD-movies just as well
3. 40GB plays DVD-movies just as well
4. 40GB connects to PSN just as well (if not better, due to improved WiFi)
5. 40GB performs as a media center just as well
6. 40GB operates off a 65nm Cell / 90nm RSX - this reduces power usage just a bit and a little less heat (more environmentally friendly?)
7. 60GB has 20GB more HDD (you're paying extra RM500, and that easily covers a HDD upgrade)
8. 60GB has 4 USB ports (same as HDD, for the extra RM500, a simple RM20 USB hub is more than enough to cover this inadequacy)
10. 60GB can play SACD (Super Audio CD). Errrm, when was the last time you actually played (or even own) an SACD? It's not popular in Singapore (or maybe Singapore), so this white elephant isn't exactly crucial or critical.

Stop being so quick to jump on the bandwagon about how the 60GB is superior to the 40GB and it being the best PS3 version. It shows that you haven't really put in much thought about it. While it might be a better version for US or Japan (given that they would be able to play their NTSC/US or NTSC/J games respectively), in the context of Singapore (or maybe Malaysia), the 40GB is a much better choice.
* article is taken from GameAxis.com Forums posted by Phrajile

p/s : $ sign changed to RM to suit our country  tongue.gif
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I don't really mind for those things like USB port,or something.
But the lack of PS2's games backward compatibility is a really big thing for me.
Although i own a ps2,but w/o the backward compatibility,
u'll need to reinstall ur PS2 console whenever u wanna play ur PS2's games.
Anyway,i'm still trying to searching for a 60GB PS3,
at least,the PS2's games backward compatibility is really important to me.
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QUOTE(stevechan360 @ Nov 21 2007, 11:15 AM)
I don't really mind for those things like USB port,or something.
But the lack of PS2's games backward compatibility is a really big thing for me.
Although i own a ps2,but w/o the backward compatibility,
u'll need to reinstall ur PS2 console whenever u wanna play ur PS2's games.
Anyway,i'm still trying to searching for a 60GB PS3,
at least,the PS2's games backward compatibility is really important to me.
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and i'm guessing your library of ps2 titles are original hmm.gif
Right now, the 40gb is the best bang for buck.

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@stevenchan - i believe the 60Gb r onli US or Jpn consoles....n it was kinda difficult for me to locate one as well...n it was after the announcement of 80Gb (quite some time ago)....u need to get the local supplier to bring in 1..cos i am quite sure they wont have any old stock left....
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QUOTE(stevechan360 @ Nov 21 2007, 11:15 AM)
I don't really mind for those things like USB port,or something.
But the lack of PS2's games backward compatibility is a really big thing for me.
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me too actually, but the 80GB will still support ps2 games right? or only 60GB?
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QUOTE(why_79 @ Nov 21 2007, 11:59 AM)
me too actually, but the 80GB will still support ps2 games right? or only 60GB?
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80 GB only using software emulation I think. That means it will have compatibility problems with certain games.

Also you can only play ORIGINAL PS2 games.

Anyway playing PS2 games using PS3 will not result in good graphics.
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QUOTE(saiga @ Nov 20 2007, 10:09 AM)
Why would you consider the 60GB superior to the 40GB? Excuse me?
1. 40GB plays PS3 games just as well
2. 40GB plays BD-movies just as well
3. 40GB plays DVD-movies just as well
4. 40GB connects to PSN just as well (if not better, due to improved WiFi)
5. 40GB performs as a media center just as well
6. 40GB operates off a 65nm Cell / 90nm RSX - this reduces power usage just a bit and a little less heat (more environmentally friendly?)
7. 60GB has 20GB more HDD (you're paying extra RM500, and that easily covers a HDD upgrade)
8. 60GB has 4 USB ports (same as HDD, for the extra RM500, a simple RM20 USB hub is more than enough to cover this inadequacy)
10. 60GB can play SACD (Super Audio CD). Errrm, when was the last time you actually played (or even own) an SACD? It's not popular in Singapore (or maybe Singapore), so this white elephant isn't exactly crucial or critical.

Stop being so quick to jump on the bandwagon about how the 60GB is superior to the 40GB and it being the best PS3 version. It shows that you haven't really put in much thought about it. While it might be a better version for US or Japan (given that they would be able to play their NTSC/US or NTSC/J games respectively), in the context of Singapore (or maybe Malaysia), the 40GB is a much better choice.
* article is taken from GameAxis.com Forums posted by Phrajile

p/s : $ sign changed to RM to suit our country  tongue.gif
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60g is superior what!!! because it launch earlier then 40g... that it's....

ps: I've 80g's and i don't bother abt all those spec. bottom line/ultimately I'm enjoying the ps3 games rite now.... and that the purpose of buying PS3.. games....

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seriously, the ps2 backward compatibility is really not relevant to most of us in MY/SG because of piracy. how many of you have a original copy of region 3 (asian) version of a ps2 game?

in all my life of playing ps2, i only own 3 original copy of ps2 game and 1 are region 1 (US) and 2 are region 2 (Japan). so even if i get a 60gb its not going to play in my ps3. so the RM500 is more like a waste.
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yes....it is irrelevant if u dont have ori ps2 games to play with....but for those who have it...then u should really think about getting 40GB vs 80GB(atleast it has software emulation).......nod.gif
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haha, why ler some of u so sensitive tongue.gif i'm pretty sure forumer stevechan360 has some ori NTSC/UC ps2 games notworthy.gif

its worth buying a 60GB/80GB. upscaling PS2 games does make them nicer on certain HDTVs. and then it can also upscale R1 DVDs. stevechan360, if u can find a good online retailer/ebayer and willing to pay the import tax, get a US 60GB like andy tongue.gif

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QUOTE(acougan @ Nov 21 2007, 01:38 PM)
haha, why ler some of u so sensitive tongue.gif i'm pretty sure forumer stevechan360 has some ori NTSC/UC ps2 games  notworthy.gif

its worth buying a 60GB/80GB. upscaling PS2 games does make them nicer on certain HDTVs. and then it can also upscale R1 DVDs. stevechan360, if u can find a good online retailer/ebayer and willing to pay the import tax, get a US 60GB like andy tongue.gif
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or u can get local supplier for help........they will bring it in if u bug them long enuf... sweat.gif sweat.gif (provided htey still have some ways of getting it)
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wah so tempting here now... where can i get white 40gb version cheaper one...
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saw a pics of a white ps3 at bernard MOHinder shop.. that might be the 40gb right?
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QUOTE(kuya @ Nov 21 2007, 12:19 PM)
60g is superior what!!! because it launch earlier then 40g... that it's....

ps: I've 80g's and i don't bother abt all those spec. bottom line/ultimately I'm enjoying the ps3 games rite now.... and that the purpose of buying PS3.. games....
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bro, u funny la... u said "i don't bother abt all those spec. bottom line/ultimately I'm enjoying the ps3 games rite now"

then why angry ? doh.gif . I mean that you can also enjoy ps3 games if buy 40Gb model, no need
80GB or 60GB. But if got money (like you) , then choose la mana u nak.

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QUOTE(skincladalien @ Nov 21 2007, 12:22 PM)
seriously, the ps2 backward compatibility is really not relevant to most of us in MY/SG because of piracy. how many of you have a original copy of region 3 (asian) version of a ps2 game?
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for me,this is a big ass dilemma doh.gif
i've 3 ori NTSC UC ps2 games (ZOE,GT3,MGS2)
and more(4-6) PAL PS2 games (spider-man 2,Spiderman,LOTR TROTK,etc) laugh.gif doh.gif

so either way i'm f*cked to a certain degree.. tongue.gif

get a R3 ps3 ^40gb model,cant play any of those games sweat.gif doh.gif
get a R2 ps3 ^40gb model,can only play my PAL games sweat.gif
get a R1 ps3 ^40gb model,can only play my limited NTSC UC games sweat.gif

and i think when i get a ps3,my ps2 goes into the storage...no place to put both sweat.gif

dilemma dilemma dilemma.... laugh.gif
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why the headache guys? PS2 games are meant to be played on a PS2 (at least that's what i think). people buy the PS3 to enjoy next gen games. i for one am not thinking much on backward compatibility. price would be my main consideration. and the new 40GB hit a sweet spot in my book. at last an affordable PS3!
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u want cheap ps3, of coz u get less feature laugh.gif
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QUOTE(SWATwolf @ Nov 22 2007, 03:19 AM)
u want cheap ps3, of coz u get less feature laugh.gif
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what will less and who know where can get ps3 white 40gb around 1300 + postage to me..
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is white ps3 surface prone to scratch...or for whatever reason it will someday turn to those yellowish plastic...
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fliz, tat one u really need to wait maybe a year or so for an asnwer
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heya,

I am considering to get one of these PS3, and btw who is Bernard? retailer? he is selling the PS3 40GB as well? Where can i get more info on the price and the product info? Please assist me here. Thank you
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QUOTE(mazdagtr210 @ Nov 22 2007, 04:23 AM)
what will less and who know where can get ps3 white 40gb around 1300 + postage to me..
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jb ps3 40gb sell rm1299 only lo ..... drool.gif
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QUOTE(davidbilly87 @ Nov 23 2007, 11:43 PM)
jb ps3 40gb sell rm1299 only lo ..... drool.gif
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Yes, buy, buy, BUY!! More PS3 gamers needed (esp. around JB area) biggrin.gif rclxms.gif tongue.gif
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drool.gif RM1299..nice price here (jb).
spore is selling at sgd559. thus, sgd559x 2.3 =RM1,285.70

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but can anybody confirm, the shop beside kfc selling which region ps3? sg?hk? or jp?
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but can anybody confirm, the shop beside kfc selling which region ps3? sg?hk? or jp?
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bro, i remembered one guy here posted that
his set bought at the shop is Singapore set.
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yes, but i think its the 80gb one, not the 40
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QUOTE(TheUndead @ Nov 24 2007, 12:02 AM)
Yes, buy, buy, BUY!! More PS3 gamers needed (esp. around JB area) biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif  tongue.gif
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coming soon tongue.gif , hopefully they bundled together
dual shock 3 in new package brows.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 24 2007, 09:14 AM)
but can anybody confirm, the shop beside kfc selling which region ps3? sg?hk? or jp?
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bro Rx, it's the SG unit. Because every box I saw in that shop has a sticker that says "Singapore Official Product" thumbup.gif

Even mine also smile.gif
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u tried register with sg warranty ok? avthin ok?
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Semua ok bro. I registered for warranty using a valid singapore address smile.gif
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who can help me bought ps3 from jb... wanna joint ps3 geng la...
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who can help me bought ps3 from jb... wanna joint ps3 geng la...
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u from where?


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heya,

I am considering to get one of these PS3, and btw who is Bernard? retailer? he is selling the PS3 40GB as well? Where can i get more info on the price and the product info? Please assist me here. Thank you
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as of now, rm1350, with 1 6axis only, no game included
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want buy ps3 at jb holiday plaza ? want join me ? i want get 1 unit at this saturday ...if we buy togeter many unit see got diskuan or not? hehe...if want pls pm me .....

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post Nov 29 2007, 08:49 PM

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want to ask you guys, the HDD that PS3 uses is same as those 2.5" laptop external hdd?

it uses IDE or sata?


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post Nov 30 2007, 01:46 AM

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i think is sata

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post Nov 30 2007, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(gnoy @ Nov 29 2007, 08:49 PM)
want to ask you guys, the HDD that PS3 uses is same as those 2.5" laptop external hdd?

it uses IDE or sata?
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SATA obviously.

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post Nov 30 2007, 10:04 AM

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SATA internal HDD
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:06 PM

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n00b question here,

does the 40gb sold here modded? can play "back up" games?

is "back up" games for ps3 available? i mean can get easily nowadays?

thanks
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:35 PM

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can play back up games, but the 40 gb isnt modded, and backup games isnt available but its easily obtain nowadays
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Nov 30 2007, 12:35 PM)
can play back up games, but the 40 gb isnt modded, and backup games isnt available but its easily obtain nowadays
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yup u can even get them from pasar tani
pasar malam, dan super market yang berdekatan dengan
Davy Jones spaceship....hahahaha
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i juz bought a ps3 40gb sg set at RM1,299 (kfc neighbour@jb) last night..
ya..it's a sexy ceramic white... juz quick share with u guys/gals




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QUOTE(JKEC @ Nov 30 2007, 04:32 PM)
i juz bought a ps3 40gb sg set at RM1,299 (kfc neighbour@jb) last night..
ya..it's a sexy ceramic white... juz quick share with u guys/gals
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put away ur 360 la.spoil the pic oni mad.gif
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QUOTE(crimsonhead @ Nov 30 2007, 04:36 PM)
put away ur 360 la.spoil the pic oni mad.gif
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Ok what, can do a comparison on the size and their looks.
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hello.. i just bought 40gb ps3 but im using LCD moniter to play.. now my problem is "NO SOUND"
wat cable i should buy for my 2.1 speaker?
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QUOTE(hiroka88 @ Dec 1 2007, 02:32 AM)
hello.. i just bought 40gb ps3 but im using LCD moniter to play.. now my problem is "NO SOUND"
wat cable i should buy for my 2.1 speaker?
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get a Y-splitter cable. u can check it out at the ps3 faq beginners thread.
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post Dec 1 2007, 08:58 AM

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wow, the white is really nice

im curios abt this kfc neighbor, since i long time no go plaza
they have tons of ps3 stock, but they dun really sell the games?
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Dec 1 2007, 08:58 AM)
wow, the white is really nice

im curios abt this kfc neighbor, since i long time no go plaza
they have tons of ps3 stock, but they dun really sell the games?
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biggrin.gif u r rite! no luck to find the latest ps3 games there..

Hmm..will try to install Ubuntu linux on my ps3 later.brows.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Dec 1 2007, 08:58 AM)
wow, the white is really nice

im curios abt this kfc neighbor, since i long time no go plaza
they have tons of ps3 stock, but they dun really sell the games?
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Yup, very very small number of games. Plus, they are way too overpriced.

RM250 for WE08??!?? If buy from Bernard baru RM190+RM5 (postage) thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Dec 1 2007, 08:58 AM)
wow, the white is really nice

im curios abt this kfc neighbor, since i long time no go plaza
they have tons of ps3 stock, but they dun really sell the games?
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I haven't been there for quite a long time. Ya, I'm curious too. Usually when i go there a few months ago, there were only bout 2-3 PS3 games on display.
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That shop tak boleh pakai wan la..

That day I went there and asked for Assassin's Creed and they replied, "Itu game ar? Kita tak ambik oo"

and in another shop they just gave me a blank stare. LOL
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yea, i luv jaybee , no piracy no sale

 

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